i'm don lemon. we begin with a developing story. police are descending on sites in home marks guns drawn, hunting down an escaped murder suspect. look at that video. cameras were rolling when officers stormed into a dollar store. customers were taken completely by surprise. >> they just come in, shotguns, looking for somebody. i guess a guy escaped from county. >> 20 guys came in. about five of them went through with shotguns. >> kind of nervous. a woman had her kids, she was freaking out. >> this is the man they're looking for. if you're in that area, take a good look. his name is shaun bosse, he can accused of committing a horrific triple murder in 2010. michael is with us. set the scene for us. he know there are s.w.a.t. teams on the scene. tell us what's going on now. >> reporter: good evening, don. behind me there is the local

elementary school. you can see s.w.a.t. team members gearing up. they're getting ready to go house to house here in blanchard, that's because this murder suspect, shaun bosse is believed to have lots of family and friends here, and he's believed to be hiding out in a house or possibly an apartment. as you saw that dollar general video store, people are calling in and we're getting comes on our facebook saying, hey, we think we see this guy. that s.w.a.t. team is getting ready to go door to door, but a lot of people are on edge. >> i saw you interviewing the people at that dollar store. i imagine people are frightened to death there. >> absolutely. i talked to the management coordinator out here who told me he's urging people to stay inside, lock your cars, lock your door. i want to show you here, this is the command post. they've been fielding those phone calls. but everybody here is on edge.

and and, you know, police tell us he overpowered two deputies and stole a dispatcher's car. police recovered that car about a half while from here and found one of his sandals. they believe he is somewhere in this neighborhood, the northern part of blanchard. >> and he has been spotting. i think one of the sheriffs saw the car this morning. >> i'm sorry, don? >> and he has been spotted, according to what i have been reading here, one of the sheriffs saw a car this morning but didn't know it was the car he was looking for. has he been spotted anywhere decides that one sheriff? >> no. you know, sheriffs deputies tell us they're getting phone calls about him running from an apartment complex or different houses, but there hasn't been a definitive spotting of him since that report that a sheriff's deputy may have seen him on the way to church. >> michael seiden, thank you very much. here is the interesting part of it. six deputies were searching for

bosse. there's an aircraft in the air. there he is there. the bodies, we told you about the woman and her two children. the bodies of griffin, that's the name of her woman, two children found in a mobile home that had caught fire. authorities said she died from eight stab wounds and christian, one of the kids, had been stabbed five times. while the other child, chastity, died in the fire. we are joined by the mclane county sheriff. give us some details about the escape. who did he get past? >> approximately 10:20 this morning, bosse overpowered two of our jailers. he escaped by taking one of the jailer's vehicles. he is from the blanchard area, where we are right here. we know he has numerous friends and acquaintances up here. that's where he was seen. we did spot his vehicle. we did have his vehicle approximately a quarter mile south of our command post. we also found one of the jail

slippers that he was wearing just north of this location. at the present time, the oklahoma highway patrol is in the process of going door to door and searching houses just to our west. we are getting numerous calls of him being spotted. but as they are coming in, we are sending deputies and troopers to these locations to check them out, just to make sure. >> sheriff, let's talk about the car here. he told a black 2004 pontiac grand prix in his escape. it was seen -- last seen, this is my last report. you may have seen him more recently, going northbound out of purcell, oklahoma. that was 11:25 eastern time, but you have seen him close to the command center since then? >> we have, yes. we have one individual that knew this bosse. and he definitely said that was definitely him. and seen him running north from

the abandoned vehicle. so we are real reasonably sure he is in this area at this time. >> armed? >> we have perimeters set up. >> is he armed? >> yes, we do have an outside perimeter set up. >> is he armed? >> no, he -- at this present time, we do not believe he is armed. but we still consider him dangerous and we will be extremely careful in our pursuit. >> you got resources. we talked about aircraft in the air, there are numerous people looking for him. we just saw a whole lot of manpower there. you have got all -- i'm sure all forces out looking. >> yes. mm-hmm. >> all right. >> we got troopers from all over the state. >> sheriff, we appreciate you joining us. thank you very much. our thanks to our reporter on the scene. stay tuned to cnn. we will continue to follow this developing story and bring you updates. this man is dangerous.

they said killed three people and escaped from prison. let's move on. we have another story just in to the cnn newsroom. a school bus accident in pennsylvania injured 30 people. it happened about an hour ago. right now crews are transporting victims to hospitals. none are believed to be critical, but some are very seriously hurt. we don't know the ages of those hurt, but we believe some of those injured are children. this is just developing. we'll bring you more details on this story as we get them in to cnn. let's get you caught up on the headlines. it's a very busy day. the flooding in minot, north dakota is not expected to get worse than it is now. the swollen souris river has crested and will slowly start receding. up to 4,000 homes have been flooded representing about one-third of the city. residents are under a boil water order to sterilize tap water used for cooking and drinking.

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we have breaking news we want to update you on. i want to tell you about that school bus accident that we reported at the top of the hour. we are awaiting new information on that it's in pennsylvania. it's injured 30 people. we're telling you this, obviously it was some sort of field trip. most of you have children and you can relate. happened about an hour ago. crews are transporting victims to hospitals. none believed -- at least believed to be in critical condition, but rescuers tell us some are seriously hurt. we don't know the ages of those hurt, but we do believe that some of those injured are children. again, this story is just developing. we will bring you more as we get it here on cnn. so stay tuned.

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that's why i ordered federal agencies to extend the same benefits to gay couples that go to straight couples wherever possible. that's why we'll keep fighting until the law no longer -- i heard you guys. you know, believe it or not, i anticipated that somebody might interrupt. >> those hecklers want president obama to support same-sex marriage. like virtually every presidential candidate he is still opposed. he does, however, say his view

is "evolving." so what does new york's new law mean to the rest of the nation and the political battle? we'll talk with lenny mccallister, a republican analyst, and heather magee, washington director for the public policy groom demos, and then democratic assembly member daniel o'donnell, he was pushing the marriage equality bill in the legislature. let me start with you, lenny. what do you think? is the president -- when he says that his stance on gay marriage is evolving, is that just a way of saying i'm going to say i'm okay with it but after i get re-elected? >> you know, i don't want to pin him down to that. i think this is a complex issue and i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. he said something in 2008. he is seeing the winds of change come across america. as a liberal he may be evolve ing point of view on this.

i'm not willing to say he's flip-flopping so much on this i think he's trying to find the sweet spot politically to save votes, but i think he is trying to find an evolving position. with that said, for him to come out in 2008 and say marriage is between a man and a woman and be caught in this crux, if you will, in such a violent state as new york state, he has a political hard spot he is in now. >> heather, is it time for him to make a decision? between a man and a woman, he said that before. now he is saying evolving. is it time for him to say no or yes? >> i think he said the heart of the matter which is gay men and women should have the same rights and responsibilities and legal protections as all other committedcouples. i think the community listening to him heard his heart was committed to the fight they were fighting that very night in new york and heard that his heart

was with marriage equality. the big moves on don't ask don't tell and saying, you know what? we are not going to defend the constitutionality of the defense of marriage act. those were really huge moves on his part. >> mr. o'donnell there are people saying new york will serve as a beachhead to start changing laws across the country. you heard what governor cuomo said. the nation looks to new york for decisions, looks to new york for inspiration. so he believes it's the right thing, it's about civil rights. might we see more because of this? >> i do believe that will be the case. >> i don't think so. >> go ahead, mr. o'donnell. >> new york is a large place with a diverse population. we became the first state that legislatively changed this law without being ordered to do so by a court. that took a lot of work and changing of minds. the polling, the data has evolved overtime. the truth is that the people who

oppose this most vehemently are generally people on the outside of mainstream of our society. my partner and i have been together for 31 years. the state of new york gives out licenses, like a hunting license and a driver's license, a license i'm deprived of. but starting on july 24th, my partner's birthday, we will be able to get those licenses. that's a very good thing for new york. it's a very good thing for new york's economy when all my friends start going out renting halls and buying gowns, buying suits, paying for caterers, all the money expended to have our relationship celebrated will be a very good thing for the tax base in the city and state of new york. >> it's interesting. lenny, i see you shaking your head. yesterday i said husband and husband. i asked one of our guests, husband and husband, wife and wife this one says here come the brides. this is in a local paper here in

atlanta. for a lot of people it's uncomfortable for them to hear that lenny, you're saying you don't think it will spread across the country and why were you disagreeing with what mr. o'donnell had to say? >> well, because this is -- one, to compare it to having a gaming license or a driver's license, marriage is the institution that holds america together. the family is the institution that holds america together. and to take a liberal state, such as new york state, and think they will take that standard and apply it to kansas and north carolina -- >> hold on, lenny. hold on, lenny. i want to let you finish. but you said marriage is an institution that holds families together, right? >> yes. >> so that doesn't apply for gay families? >> i think does apply to gay families, but the highest level of relationship that you can have, as christian and as a frederick douglas republican, i

say the highest relationship institution is a marriage between one man and one woman. maybe it should be more like a ron paul. maybe the state shouldn't be involved in the business of marriages at all and leave it up to the churches. >> heather. >> don, i have to say the state has always been involved in marriages. the marriage is a contract, not just between two people, but a contract between people and a unit and the nation and the community that they live in. you said it yourself, i have to say my best friend is going to be able to get married this summer to her partner in new york state in the place where she lives. they pay property taxes, they own property. they're going to have a family there. they're also really vital members of their community. they protect the elderly, do community service work and work with young people who are troubled. they work every day to make cha their community stronger.

that mutual obligation to respect the commitments we all make to one another, that's what you're talking about when you say marriage is sacred. of course that should be extend ed to everyone willing to work for it. >> daniel o'donnell, it's a huge celebration, a double celebration, gay pride and celebrating the same-sex marriage in new york city today. did you and your partner go? what is it like on the streets there? >> absolutely. we marched the entire parade route to euphoria. the people of new york are very, very happy. the community i live and represent is very, very happy. i received communications from people i haven't heard from in decades so thrilled that we are in this place. you know, the previous speaker who referred to our american history clearly doesn't know anything about it. thomas jefferson said our civil rights have no dependence on religious opinion. the supreme court said that the right to marry is a fundamental right of an american citizen. i am an american citizen. my attempt and desire to have

the right to marry who i choose is not a threat to anyone, nor does it undermine anyone else's relationship unless, of course, that person was a woman who wanted to marry me and she would be very disappointed if she couldn't. >> daniel o'donnell that has to be the last word. we were going to talk about more political issues, but this became such an interesting conversation, we stuck with it. happy pride to all of you. there's a massive manhunt for an accused murderer who overpowered deputies and escaped from jail.

want to get you caught up on the headlines, it's a busy day with a lot of breaking news a manhunt on right now for an alleged murderer on the loose in oklahoma. here's what investigators are saying. they are saying shaun bosse escaped from custody, overpowering two deputies and stealing one deputy's car. bosse is accused of killing a woman and her two children and burning down a mobile home with the victims inside. the number of victims killed in an amtrak crash in nevada has risen to six. a tractor trailer truck skidded six feet before hitting the train on friday. our affiliate reports 28 people unaccounted for which may include people who boarded and got off at earlier stops. amateur video shows how those

freed tried to help survivors still on board. take a listen. >> get away from this smoke! >> are you okay? >> she's out there. tell her to jump! tell her to hang and jump. there's somebody over there. >> everyone out of this car? >> move back! >> can you imagine? do you know how many people take trains every single day and having to deal with that? the train was headed from chicago to california. in flooded minot, north dakota, the swollen souris river has crested and will slowly recede over the next week. over 4,000 homes have been flooded to some degree representing about one-third of the city. people who live there are under a boil water order to sterilize tap water used for cooking and drinking. i want you to check this out. it's billed as the only

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what you think i told you. and he laughed again. but you're sterile. and you are not going to have no more kids. you ought to be thankful for the three you got. >> this north carolina woman was forced to be sterilized and then became frustrated by a system that has yet to compensate her decades later. she is one of about a dozen people who testified before a panel trying to figure out how the state of north carolina can make amends. forced sterilization happened in 33 states right here in the united states.

33 states. starting in the 1930s. what were called eugenics boards labeled the victims as feeble minded and usually the disabled, the poor and most often people of color. north carolina deemed elaine riddick feeble minded. she had been raped at the age of 13 and sterilized at the age of 14 and she joins me now here in the studio in atlanta. i appreciate you being here. >> thanks for having me. >> did you block out part of what happened? >> yeah. after i found out what happened to me. i was totally humiliated, degraded. it was a big insult. you know, i became a hermit. i didn't want to deal with people. i didn't want to live in society. i just couldn't believe that my government would do something like this to me. >> they gave you a hysterectomy when you were just a child. how could people who take care of you, how could they sign off on this. >> let's back up.

>> okay. go ahead. >> they didn't give me a hirs r eree hysterectomy. when i was 13, i was raped mosh molested. i had my son at 14. when i had my son, they decided i would have a cesarean birth, they went inside my and sterilized me at the same time. later on, because of my body was traumatized so severely, i ended up having to have a total hysterectomy. but prior to that, before i had the hysterectomy, most of my life was -- i had to live in a lot of pain, hemorrhaging. when i got my monthly cycle, you know, i had to -- it felt like someone had taken a knife and was gutting me. that's how severe the pain was.

my menstrual cycle wasn't normal because it lasted, maybe a half a month, 12 to 15 days at a time. and this happened from the time i was -- after i had my son, from the time i was 14 until i had got into my 40s, when i eventually did have to have a total hysterectomy. >> i think the best way to do an interview is just to listen. i think your story is fascinating. i'm sitting here looking at you, listening to you, and can't believe this happened and that you survived and you are here to talk about it. you mentioned your son. how old is your son now? >> he's 43. >> he's the product of what? >> of rape. i love my son. i'm so proud of him. you know, someone asked me a question the other day -- >> tony. >> tony. someone asked me the question the other day how do we get along? do i have certain feelings towards him as far as, you know, reminding me that he was a

product of rape? no. that's my son. i love him very much. he's a special gift from god. that's how i look at it. >> what do you want from the state of north carolina? >> well, i'm going to ask a question, maybe that will answer what -- maybe answer the question that you asked. i mean, to the people that's home looking at me right now, i would like for you to turn around and look at your children and tell me what do your children -- what are your children worth? what are they worth? look at these kids? what are they worth? you can't give me back what you took from me, but north carolina shou should -- you can't put a price on a child's future. you can't put a price on what they think you're worth. you can't just say what a child is worth today. >> you talked about the effects

on your menstrual cycle, on your health, physically. but what about mentally? emotionally? is this something you ever recover from? >> you will never recover from this. because this is always there. every time you wake up, when you go to sleep, it's there. you think about how you have been treated in this country here. you think about -- me myself, i have been so severely damaged until i was on the prozac, and haldol. i had to wean myself off of these things to cope. i have to cope and i have to go on. >> are people who are watching this, i'm sure, stunned and probably more stunned than i am because i had read at least a little bit about it. is there any hope -- is there any hope that you can offer people that say, my gosh, maybe i have lost my faith in

humaty. you're okay. but some people will just, you know, say how can she recover? >> well, i think for me, you know, in order -- for me, i had to recover because i'm on a mission. sometimes we can't look at ourself. sometimes we have to do god's will. and god's will is for us to be happy. you know, to go on with life. pick yourself up and go on. you can't look at what society has dealt you. you just got to think about what you mean to yourself. what am i worth? am i meant to sit here and just take this? no, you don't sit there. you don't lay down and take anything. you take yourself -- if you think you're worth something, you have to fight for your worth and what you think you're worth. >> elaine riddick, inspirational

words. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you very much. you are -- you are an amazing woman. an amazing woman. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] built like a volkswagen. the 2011 tiguan. [ grunts ] ♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ you love money ♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ i work so hard at my job ♪ and then i bring it home to you ♪

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do films help us imagine what the life in mexico may have been like? now a new artifact sheds new light on the ancient culture with we have this and other global trekking discoveries. this is really cool. what's been uncovered here? >> don, mexican archeologists resorted to modern day technology to uncover the secrets of this ancient mayan burial chamber. they took this small remote controlled camera, put it inside this mayan tomb, about 16 feet down. and they show us on the inside what they can see in this tomb, the black and white paintings. they believe this is a tomb of a mayan ruler that ruled over 1,500 years ago. so this thing has not been seen

for, like, 1,500 years. so hopefully it can shed light on the mayan civilization, culture. >> fascinating. we go from a tribe in mexico to news about a special tribe in the amazon region of brazil. tell me about this new tribe that's been -- what seems like real isolation. true isolation here. >> don, that's the key, true isolation. some of these indigenous people have never seen a tv. have never driven a car. they never logged on to the internet what we know as modern culture in the 21st century is foreign to them. so what happened is the brazilian government came out this week and they confirmed the exi existence of one of these uncontacted tribes. it's about 200 people that live in the amazon forest, near the peru border. they grow their own vegetables. they hunt. they are very healthy people yet very susceptible to diseases. so you can't just go in on foot and say, hey, i want to see

what's going on over here. because they -- they haven't had contact so their immune systems are compromised. they did this by overflights, they surveyed the area and identified them. they want to protect them and the land and not change their way of life is the key. >> very cool stuff. >> yeah. >> that was a good global trekking. uncovering mysteries. thank you. the williams sisters back in action and once again they look like america's best hope at wimbledon. john wertheim joins me in a minute. first, memphis, tennessee, times were rough for a while but now it's making a comeback. tom foreman shows us how in tonight's "building up america." >> reporter: in the clubs, up and down beale street, everywhere the music industry here is rising fast.

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a fugitive barricades himself in a motel room in utah with a hostage. the standoff lasted 16 hours with the fugitive keeping in contact with the outside world through facebook. we see how police use status updates to their advantage. >> reporter: for ogden police t began when fugitive jason valdez was spotted by an officer. >> he has a long standing violent and drug history with

us. he is a very long known gang member as well. when we made contact on the phone, he said i'm not going to prison. >> reporter: it was the beginning of a 15-hour phone service. they didn't realize they couldn't block his data service. seven hours in things took a strange twist. >> we were notified from someone on the outside hi was coming up on facebook and discussing the status activity. >> reporter: he notes, quote, i'm currently in a standoff. kind of ugly. i love you guys. if i don't make it out of here alive, i'm in a better place. at one point he posted a picture, got a cute hostage, huh. >> relatives said, keep your head up, do the right thing. some tipped off the police, police considered shutting down

his page. they weren't sure that they could. ultimately assistant chief randy watts said they decided it was worthwhile to keep it up and running. >> we were gaining more than we were losing by allowing the facebook activity to continue. >> reporter: another quote, end this peacefully. it didn't happen. police blew up the walls of the hotel room. he fired two rounds before turning the gun on himself. he's in the hospital in critical condition. heal face charges when he comes out. >> he would do anything for anybody. he helps me out a lot. >> reporter: police say soeshci media could have made it much, much worse if relatives had descended on scene. >> if you haven't seen it yet, you're going to see it, so i would start preparing now. >> reporter: valdez faces t two

attempted murder counts. as you can guess, it's drawing a lot of attention. david air yoes toe, cnn, new york. >> thank you. i'm up early, tweeting the other morning and i see that ron artest wants to change his name to better world peace and i said what in the world's going on and he tweets me back and now he's going to join me live in just a mold. what's in a name. we'll see. it's a curious thing that happens. it seems that when we get to a place where no one knows us, we become most ourselves. try new things. make new friends. laughing out loud. and dancing in the streets. its time to venture out. who knows just who we might discover...

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okay. it is one of the worst brawls in nba history and right in the middle of it was ron artest who was playing for the indiana pacers at the time. >> wallace is fouled. oh, my -- ron artest. this has potentially serious -- the scorer's table. he's trying to get down to the bench. artest is in a -- >> all right. so the 2004 fight between the pacers and the detroit pistons spilled over into the stands. artest served the longest suspension in nba history. 86 games and lost almost 5 million bucks in salary. now ron artest has petitioned to

change his name. he wants to be known as meta world peace. so, ron, i played that because meta world peace means you want to be peace everywhere, peaceful everywhere, yet you were involved in one of the biggest brawls. >> the introduction wasn't creative enough because you showed the brawl but you didn't show all the good stuff. >> ron, hold on. let me say this. i want to show you. the reason we showed this. i'm wondering if you wanted to change your image. it's a history-making brawl that happened. we can talk about all those things. right off the bat, come on, man. be fair, that's why you o have the opportunity to be on the phone with me. >> it's okay. i'm just saying it wasn't cree aib eightive. i really appreciate you having me on the phone, but, yeah, you know, i was definite hi in the middle of that brawl and everything. it was a bad experience for me, my family, and everything.

i've been doing a lot of good things lately. the reason i wanted to do that is get across a message to the kids and the youth that, you know, moving ahead, you know, you want to come together, you know, and you want to, you know, have that positive energy, that star power. you want to -- the reason i changed my name it was positive and energy-drivenen. hair, back home, educational. things like that. i was headed in the wrong direction, you know, so i wanted to move on. >> oak. i appreciate that. i appreciate that. they say if you want peace, you have to be peace. so you know, don't -- i understand but don't come on and attack me because i'm just -- this is about your life. so, listen. where did metaworld peace come from? how did you come up with that name? >> it was awesome. it's production. you're the anchor, not

production, you're awesome. the production, they weren't creative. i like what i seen. i dealed with larry king and sanjay gupta. i love cnn. don't worry about. i chose the name. a couple of years ago, i was going to change my name three years ago but i didn't want to do it to be an entertainer. i wanted to be inspired. it took us three years to come up with something good and this year we had the name, me and my team, and then we was -- it took us three to four months to really say, okay, you know, you're going to have the heart and we're going to do it. >> okay. so listen. i'm on twitter early. i have insomnia. early one morning. i see you want to change your name to metaworld peace. i tweeted what's going on. you said you can call me ron and everyone else has to call you metaworld peace. you told me you would come on. i like to have this kind of

conversation. we can still be friends. listen. where's your life now? since that all happened, you lost a lot of money and you got a lot of controversy and people have said a lot of things about you. are you at peace with that now, meta? >> kind of forgot about that because i donated my ring to charity. i donated it. so i've been real focused on that. i'm also doing a reality show to help reha bill tate convicts and parolees so when they come out of prison, the rate of return is 90% or something like that. prisons are overcrowded. i haven't been focused on that. a lot of people have been foc focused on it. it was unfortunate they had to bring it back up. it's a part of my life. i'm not one afraid to shy away from but i always like to move forward. >> i have 15 seconds left. wherar