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emotions are running high. an important fda hearing today. a vote came down on the continued use of avastin to fight breast cancer. elizabeth cohen joins us. this is so controversial. we know the fate of the drug now. what have you been able to find out. >> first of all, excuse me my voice. i'm recovering from laryngitis. it seems like the committee is saying they don't think it is safe and effective for women with advanced breast cancer. the reason it's important is if the fda commissioner agrees and says it doesn't work or isn't safe for women, insurance may not pay for it and the drug costs about $90,000. hard linen can afford to pay for it on their own. >> very quickly, there are breast cancer survivors who aren't sad to hear the news. >> some survivors say, look, the drug doesn't work. it was put out as false hope. it's not a bad thing so
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insurance may not pay for it. but a lot of women will be upset. >> appreciate the quick update. thank you. that does it for me. fred takes over now. >> a very busy wednesday this afternoon. let's get to the stories we're working on now. >> reporter: flames and nukes don't mix. that's what could happen in new mexico as a fast-moving wildfire inches kang rously close to the los alamos national lab. plus, american troops under attack in afghanistan and a cnn reporter is there as it happens. we've got an amazing cnn exclusive report coming up. but first, president obama warns congress the august 2nd deadline to raise the debt limit is real and tough decisions will have to be made, he says. mr. obama says if congress doesn't act the federal government could soon default on bills. his warning came at a nationally
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televised news conference. he chided congressional leaders. republicans in particular. for failing to reach a deal on cutting the federal debt. that's the deal the gop demanded before allowing washington to command to borrow money to pay bills. the president says the time for agreement is now. >> if by the end of the week we have not seen substantial progress members of congress need to understand we are going to have to start having to cancel things and stay here until we get it down. you know, they're in one week, out one week. and then they are saying, obama's got to step in. you need to be here. i've been here. i've been doing afghanistan and bin laden and the greek crisis. you stay here.
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>> jill, this president was trying to offer clarity, especially as it pertains to who he believes should pay more in taxes to help reduce debt. >> reporter: he's simplifying it saying it's millionaires and billionaires. he even said people who have corporate jets, big oil companies, et cetera. he said, if you have a corporate jet, yeah, you can fly it. but you have to pay more. it's a simplification obviously, fred. he's talking about wealthier americans paying more and he argues they can afford it. he says tax breaks for middle class americans should continue. that's one of the key issues now. the president is saying that you cannot do this without revenue increases. revenue, don't forget, is a euphemism for tax. you've got to get money in. that's the president's viewpoint though the republicans and some
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democrats say you can't do this politically. >> so, is the president planning to meet again with the republican leadership? >> well, he met with mitch mcconnell, the minority leader in the senate on monday. before that he met with mr. boehner. today he's meeting with democratic leaders. he'll meet with tim geithner. we don't know specifically of plans to meet with republicans but the president is the leader of the negotiations. he's supposed to bring the sides together. he will be meeting with them sooner or later. right now he seems to be sticking to his guns about having some type of tax increase. >> so the president started out about the economy but was asked everything from about libya as well as about the gay rights issues. did he change his point of view or did he kind of urn underscore other points during the press
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conference? >> on the gay rights issue he said, look, i'm not going to make news on this. don't expect it. on libya, i think you have a shift somewhat. that is he's saying that getting rid of moammar gadhafi is the k key. they have been saying the nato mission the u.s. is involved in is designed to protect civilians in libya. the president said you can't carry out that mission unless gadhafi goes. he's making a direct link. sometimes that's not been directly linked. i think that's a bit of a shift. it's always been there. but you hear it directly from the president today. >> all right, jill. thanks so much. the national debt is a big issue in this country. also a big one in greece. take a look at live pictures of the protests that continue there despite the fact that lawmakers did pass some critical budget cuts taking place there.
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we're going to check in with richard momentarily. we know an austerity measure was passed, at least the first step toward it. still protesters take to the streets unhappy about what's taking place in the economic picture in greece. we'll take you to athens live. meantime, three days in and firefighters in this country are tackling the blaze inching closer to the los alamos national lab. what happens if it reaches the 20,000 barrels of contaminated nuclear waste there? that's next. plus this -- >> after days of nothing the insurgents finally amassed the compound and are beginning to attack from all sides. >> american troops attacked in afghanistan and cnn was there. more of this incredible and exclusive cnn report coming up. start with soup then have salad and biscuits followed by 1 of 7 delicious entrees
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back to greece now. budget cuts in spice of the protests there. riot police fired teargas at stone-throwing demonstrators enraged by sweeping tax hikes and budget cuts though the measures are needed to save greece from bankruptcy. let's check in with richard quest in athens. what are you hearing on the streets about what's taking place is? what was that for? >> reporter: well, a lot of the real noise of the day has somewhat subsided tonight.
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what we've got is, i would say several hundred core nasty protesters determined to cause whatever mayhem they can in the square. they go through running bottles with police. teargas will envelope us all for five or ten minutes. the main protest rs against austerity plans have largely left. they lost the argument, lost the battle. the parliament voted in favor of them. i don't think they think they have lost the war. i think they will be back to fight another day believing that it's one thing to have a plan. it's another thing to implement it. what people here in greece are telling me tonight is that for them there is still a long way to go. >> in general, richard, are people accepting of these measures?
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>> reporter: no, no. we haven't reacheded a stage of acceptance. to use the seven stages of grief or whatever, we have been through bargaining and probably gone through anger. there will be an element of remorse. there will be quite a few of the other stages but acceptance to what's coming their way isn't there yet. they know these cuts are so severe the tax rises will hit everybody. they have a tax collection authority, but nothing as vicious in terms of making sure people pay their taxes. so, no. there is some way to go before they believe they have to knuckle down and get on with it. >> what's the alternative people prefer? >> that's a brilliant question. it depends who you ask.
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ask the hard-core hooligans and they will swear at you. ask them all moderate, those against opposition. they will say there should have been a reduction of greece's debt, probably by some orderly default which ultimately would have meant the banks taking a hair cut. but if you ask -- [ gunshots ] >> reporter: if you ask people here there is perhaps a realization things couldn't carry on. what they don't want is the pain that is going to come their way for another two, three, four years. as you can hear, the stun grenades, that will mean teargas will be coming our way shortly. >> when you hear blasts like that it's likely the stun grenades from the police? >> reporter: well, what happens is they do the stun grenades to
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try and force those remnants -- i will show you. we go right down to the road just at the bottom. so you've got the group of protesters there. [ shots ] >> reporter: and they will try to force against the police. eventually the police start to charge down at them and as they do so they will introduce teargas as well. the object of the exercise to keep protesters on the move and eventually hopefully they will disperse. but frankly, i have now been here for 10 or 11 hours and there is always a hard core that remains. >> thanks for the update from athens. appreciate that. back to this country now we want to bring you up to date on the big wildfire threatening the government's nuclear weapons plan. the town of los alamos, new
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mexico, remains virtually empty. its 12,000 people have been ordered out and the fire is still burning near the los alamos national laboratory. yesterday we heard it had burned to the laboratory's edge. reynolds wolf is there now. we did just hear the winds are picking up. set the stage for us. >> reporter: this is a beautiful place, a wonderful tourist attraction, but also something that puts it in harm's way in terms of wildfires. it's built on a beautiful mesa. three in fact. between each of the mesas that the community rests upon you have canyons or ravines filled with vegetation that was untouched by a fire that took place in this area about a decade ago. john, if you can show viewers the ridge in the background you
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can see at the top of it it appears like toothpicks. what remains of trees. some are remnants of the fire that took place a decade ago. that's part of a ski area you have back there. the problem is just a little bit farther to the south of that point is where you have some of the blaze. even some of the smoke can be seen beyond the trees, beyond the buildings. what's very daunting about the prospect is if the wind picks up there is a chance that some embers, some flames could make it down into the canyons, into ravines. if it happens they've got a lot of fuel down there. a wide variety of grasses that could burn easily. low humidity. as the winds pick up it accelerates the process. another big issue is people unwilling to evacuate. the fire began sunday. they believe it started because
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of a power line falling on private property. because of dry conditions it burned some 60,000 acres in just three days. 3% contained. the weather not favorable at all. they hope to get a better handle on it in the coming days. >> so the fire is how far away from the actual lab? >> from the lab itself we are talking about a facility that's 40 square miles. one of the areas of deep concern is the 20,000 to 30,000 barrels we have of waste material. the great thing is it's actually on a giant parking lot-type slab of cement. there isn't foliage nearby. they say it is in a safe spot. that said, the extreme southern perimeter of the facility has been touched by fire.
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you see smoke getting fairly close to the facility. they are trying as hard as they can for those doing all they can to keep flames at bay. >> we'll talk more about the national laboratory and what's at stake. >> james walsh is an expert in nuclear policy and security. so they are concerned about the fire. it has nuclear, military waste. how do you protect this waste if, indeed, the fire encroaches on the laboratory space. >> i think the method of last resort is if the fire becomes too close there is a plan to spray rubber foam under the
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barrels so there is something to separate flames from the material itself. to be clear, nuclear waste is an issue. this is a facility that has all sorts of jobs with respect to the nuclear weapons production. it has. >> i'm sorry. would any of these things be ree located at this juncture? >> at this point, no. remember, they have evacuated all but essential personnel. so they are at skeleton staffing now. if things got bad which, by the way, both the lab and local fire department say they do not expect to happen. but if things were to take a turn for the worse they will have to pull those staff as well. right now i think it's all about hunkering down to keep the fire away, minimize potential damage.
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>> this is what a local fire chief had to say this morning on cnn. let's listen. >> those are drums that can take some heat. they have some waste in them. it's not high level rad waste. we believe we can foam them if they do catch fire they have vents in them. with a hepa filter there will be no release of toxic materials. >> do you agree it could with stand the heat if it got to that point and no toxic materials would be released? >> that's the plan. we have not run this experience before. it didn't engulf major facilities but it was a warning. it forced the lab to prepare for this as a possibility. a lot of work was done in this decade and also because of 9/11 to make the secure more secure, safer and with stand a major natural disaster like this.
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but we have not gone through it. we hope we don't have to test that. fires are highly variable. we're talking about very intense heat. a wall of heat and so we don't know exactly how that will work out. there are mans, but the outcome remains unknown. >> very quickly, yes or no. are you uneasy about this? >> i think they will get it under control. the odds are in favor of this working out. >> i don't trust fires. so i am a little concerned. i'm sure the federal government is concerned. i know the state government is concerned. they are focused on this, but mother nature is a big deal and, you know, you don't want to make her angry. >> jim walsh, good to see you. >> good to see you. coming up, remember this? >> i still wouldn't want anyone to know if i bleeb [ bleep ]. >> it's all these [ bleep ] bleep old dudes, grannies and a
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handful of cute chicks. >> somebody has a stuck mike. we don't need to hear that. >> that's a pilot who was caught on an open mike. now the pilot is speaking out. plus -- 13 democratic senators team up to tell gay youth it gets better. s say you need home and auto insurance. you give us your information once, online... [ whirring and beeping ] [ ding! ] and we give you a discount on both. sort of like two in one. how did you guys think of that? it just came to us. what? bundling and saving made easy. now, that's progressive. call or click today.
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homophobic words were played over the mike stuck in the on position. the pilot was disciplineded for this. >> 11 [ bleep ] over the top [ bleep ], [ bleep ] homosexuals and a granny. 11! think of the odds of that. i thought i was in chicago which was party land. after that, it was just a continuous stream of gays and grannies and grandes. >> the pilot has been identified as captain james taylor. he wrote a lengthy apology to co-workers saying this, quote, i deeply regret the derogatory remarks i made and the hurt i have caused. i would like to extend a special apology to all flight attendants, especially those of houston. i hope you will allow me to maintain a working relationship with all of you that will provide me the opportunity to extend an individual personal apology to each of you when we
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fly together. we reached out to the flight attendants union and they have decided not to pursue a work place discrimination lawsuit. here's what union president tom mcdaniel said. quote, southwest and the pilot involved in the incident have now apologized to our members. we are prepared to move forward working with our company to ensure that we support a culture where this type of behavior is not acceptable and if it does happen, it is dealt with appropriately. end quote. president obama dodged the question over same-sex marriage instead touting what his administration has done for gays and lesbians. take a listen. >> this administration has consistently said we cannot discriminate as a country against people on the basis of sexual orientation.
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and we have done more in the two and a half years i have been in here than the previous 43 presidents to uphold the principle. >> while the president was speaking, 13 democratic senators unveiled their new video for the "it gets better" project. that's the initiative supporting gay and lesbian youth. the group led by chris kuhns taped a spot telling lgbt youth they are not broken or wrong and to never give up. >> i know you have heard it all before. growing up is tough. >> whether you're gay, straight, not sure. >> for one reason or another i think most of us growing up feeling different. >> as a member of the united states senate i'm here to tell you it gets better. >> all 13 senators are among the 25 cosponsors of the response for marriage act which calls for
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the repeal of marriage act. today we find out if drastic measures will be taken regarding jared loughner. and have you seen this? princess diana alongside princess catherine. an aged princess diana. this magazine cover has people talking. it's trending coming up. os? why don't we have both? [ male announcer ] old el paso. hard and soft tacos. ♪ feed your fiesta.
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we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy? time for a check of the top stories. things got heated today in the casey anthony murder trial when defense attorney jose baez questioned the defendant's father george anthony about comments he made to law
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enforcement. george anthony reacted angrily accusing the defense of spinning his statements. the defense questioned mr. anthony about his 2009 suicide attempt suggesting he had left a note that expressed guilt. live pictures now as you look at casey anthony, the defendant. the judge is expected to rule today on whether casey anthony's former fiance can testify in front of jurors. lawyers for toque shooting suspect jared lee loughner go to court later today in an evident to keep doctors from forcibly medicating him. loughner has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. a federal judge ruled he's not competent to stand trial for the mass shooting that left several dead and injured. loughner's attorneys say forcing their client to take powerful drugs violates his rights. prosecutors say the medication will keep him from hurting himself and others. an fda panel says avastin is
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not effective against breast cancer. after two hearings a six-member advisory panel voted on the fate of the controversial cancer drug. they were unanimous in their decision saying avastin doesn't prolong the lives of women with advanceded stages of breast cancer. avastin works by restricting blood flow to cancer tumors. the panel's decision is not expected to impact avastin's use for treating other cancers. hackers target police again. they gained access to the arizona department of public safety's e-mail accounts today. the dps says the e-mail system was not compromised but hackers say they got into personal interdepartmental accounts. on the message posted on the website the hackers say they leaked names, addresses, pass words, social security number and internal police records. this is the second time the agency was hacked in less than a week.
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coming up, six horrifying hours for guests at a prominent afghanistan hotel. several suicide bombers blow themselves up. a live report from kabul next. plus this -- >> fire! american troops under attack by taliban forces in afghanistan. a cnn reporter was there as it happened. it's a cnn exclusive you don't want to miss. hey!
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new information on a story that broke on our watch yesterday. the fire and deadly attack on the intercontinental hotel in kabul, afghanistan. the interior ministry says 21 people died in the siege that began with suicide bombers storming the hotel. the dead include two afghan national police, ten civilians and owl the attackers. the taliban claimeded responsibility but the afghan government blames a warlord determined to destabilize karzai's government. the interior minister says all nine attackers came from pakistan. journalist aaron cunningham was at the hotel intercontinental as the siege wore on. she's with us from kabul. erin, any new details about how the attackers got through the
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compound? >> reporter: right now, there has been nothing confirmed about how the attackers have entered the compound. the taliban are claiming they were able to infiltrate through shrubbery and bushes on one of the hills on the side of the hotel and were able to enter the east gates of the hotel because a wedding party was going on and they were able to slip in without being checked by security. that's unconfirmed now. that's what the taliban are saying about how they were able to enter the hotel. >> what's interesting about the hotel, erin, it's one that's often freaked by dignitaries, sometimes journalists as well. there is security around the compound but there are a lot of areas because it sits in isolation. isn't that correct? >> reporter: yes, there is security around the compound, however there are open areas.
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what i saw when i arrived closer to the hotel this morning is that there was just a very rudimentary fence around the front part of the hotel and where the taliban said they were able to infiltrate. >> so now what? what about the concentrated security measures that might be placed at the hotel from this point forward? >> reporter: i think that's a good question. because the more that some of the hotels and other areas that are frequented by foreigners and afghan officials fortify then i think it becomes more difficult to actually understand the underlying causes of the conflict and how we should move forward in addressing these root causes. however, i think there will be an increase in security. whether or not that's a positive development is another matter. >> okay. i have stayed at the hotel or
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been at the hotel when covering stories in afghanistan. were you staying at the hotel at the time when all of this was unfolding? >> reporter: no. i live in kabul. i live about five minutes from there and was able to arrive quickly. however, afghan security forces would not allow us within 100 meters of the hotel because of the attack. >> erin, thank you very much for the update from kabul. appreciate that. so the deadly hotel attack in kabul comes on the heels of president obama announcing the plan to start pulling u.s. troops out of of afghanistan next month. it highlights the challenge facing afghanistan african american troops leave, a challenge that starts far from the nation's capital. watch this exclusive report from nick payton walsh. he is embedded with troops in a taliban strong hold in kunar
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province on the border between afghanistan and pakistan. >> reporter: everywhere you look here on afghanistan's eastern border the choices aren't good. this outpost is caught between hills full of taliban. if the americans leave militants from pakistan will flow through the valley. if they stay then every few days this happens. [ gunfire ] >> reporter: mortars hit the base. the last attack was long enough ago there is panic. they are worried the taliban have been preparing a big one. after days of nothing the insurgents finally amassed around the compound and they are being attacked from all sides. >> come on, hustle up. grab it, get ready. >> reporter: first they use mortars but the incoming fire is very accurate here. >> fire! >> go, go, go!
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>> reporter: they arrange cover from heavy machine guns. >> grab the round. as soon as they go cyclic, drop it. [ inaudible ] >> oh! >> reporter: but the bullets are too close. >> never mind! >> reporter: locals scatter. just before huge american firepower has the last word. >> oh! [ explosion ] >> whoo hoo! >> reporter: four massive air strikes across the hills and then the taliban fall silent. >> say hi to osama for me. >> reporter: americans knew why it came here but isn't hour why it's staying. >> can we get a phone call? >> cigarette butts. >> reporter: ten minutes later jets swoop in to hit the hills. a show of force but the taliban
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are either gone or dead. at least five killed by the soldiers count. the next morning it starts again. mortars and rocket-filled grenades pound the base. much heavier this time. it appears they have taken casualties. more air strikes. this valley is vital strategically but doesn't want to be conquered. the medics fly in to collect one soldier. his injuries are not life-threatening. there is no real victory to be had here though. just the question of how long they will stay growing louder. nick payton walsh, cnn, kuna, afghanistan. >> if you are one of millions of americans who shops online, listen to this. >> any time you're shopping online your information is probably going into a database and probably a database they can
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this week cnn is going in depth on the end of privacy. every day each of us leaves a digital footprint, a trail of personal information we may not realize is being collected. michael holmes examines what it would take to live a day off the grid to avoid leaving any digital trace. >> reporter: every time we use online technology we are exposing some kind of personal information. countless digital footprints left behind lasting sometimes forever. our location, our interests, information about our friends and families. what would it take to live life just one day without a digital trace? i set out to find out with the help of wired magazine writer evan ratcliff. in 2009 he tried to disappear an leave no digital trace behind and dared his readers to find him. >> what surprised me most was how quickly people were able to uncover facts about me.
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people conducting their own investigations, finding information about me online, deed to my apartment, those things they could find really within hours. >> reporter: if i'm to leave no digital trace, the first thing i have to leave behind is this -- my smartphone. >> it's basically a guise that says where you are within a few feet at any given time all the time. if you look at the history, the geographic history of a phone it's basically the geographic history of your life. >> reporter: even without a smartphone tracking my movements i have to be careful online. even with simple things like internet searches since many search engines keep records of everything i type into that little box. the same goes for online shopping. that's where you leave a lot of digit digital fingerprints. if you don't want to do that you have to go to brick and mortar shops and do it the old-fashioned way. many aren't selling you just a product. they are selling your
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information. >> any time you're shopping online your information is going into a database and that's a database they can probably sell. if you look at privacy policies, sites, they will tell you that they are able to sell the information to select marketers, or marketing databases. that's the reality of online shopping. >> it's not just online either. even when you're away from the computer, technologies like that guy there, that's a toll booth transponder. it keeps records of where i have been and when i was there. the big challenge may be social media. the tweets, photos and status updates leave a trail that can be hard to erase. >> you have to realize that's information you're putting out that you can't pull back in. >> you can't later get the information off the web. >> reporter: despite our best efforts leaving no digital footprint may be all but impossible, as evan learned when readers tracked him down by following an online trail he tried his hardest to hide.
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michael holmes, cnn, atlanta. >> prosecutors say jared lee loughner's erratic behavior at a prison hospital is putting him and other inmates in danger. prison officials want to medicate him, but attorneys for loughner say it violates his rights. a federal judge is set to decide this afternoon. at the top of the hour we'll go outside the courthouse. up next, jim accosta has the cnn political ticker. we'll be right back. (rambling phone conversation)
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time now for cnn equals politics update. we're joined now from the political desk. what's going on? you have breaking news for one on mitt romney? >> that's right. you know, this has been a pretty interesting issue on the republican side. basically on capitol hill, one of the tea party favorites, jim demint said if you don't sign what he calls the cut, cap and balanced pledge he's not going to get behind you. and he brings a whole lot of tea party support behind him. well, mitt romney, who is right now really the front-runner in the gop nomination battle, he's trying to line up his republican support behind his campaign. and he has said and his campaign has said this afternoon that romney will sign the cut, cap and balance pledge. you may be asking what that's all about? it's basically a pledge to not only reduce the deficit by a
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large amount in order to approve a debt ceiling hike, but also bring with that a cap on spending over a number of yeas s in advance after a debt kreeling is reached. and also a balanced budget amendment. it's really a threefold approach the republicans would like to see to bring the deficit under control. and it's not exactly cut, cap and balance. it ma i be more body slam and pile driver, but over on the -- also on the republican side, we should mention there's some wrestling talk out on the campaign trail these days. michelle bachmann down in south carolina, she's been campaigning in the crucial early voting state. she told a republican voter at one of her events earlier today what the media really wants to see is a mud wrestling match between she and sarah palin. >> seemed to be they're sidelined right now. they want to see two girls come
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together and have a mud wrestling fight. and i'm not going to give it to them. because i have great respect and admiration for the governor. i appreciate her and i wish her well. >> so that has been a question everywhere michelle bachmann goes. what will it be like if you and sarah palin get in the race? what they both say is there's basically enough room for everybody in this gop nomination fight. it doesn't have to be one or the other at this point. >> got it. all right. thank you so much from the political desk in washington. >> the magazine cover that has a whole lot of folks outraged. have you seen this? >> it's a photo shopped princess diana alongside princess katherine. if you look at it closer, you'll see what "newsweek" has done to dian diana's face. all the controversy next. sad.
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>> of all right, an imaginary story right now that is trending and has certainly caught our attention. it involves a photo shopped image of the late princess diana. this is the july 4 cover of "newsweek "newsweek" to help mark what would have been her 50th birthday, this age progressed picture of princess diana if she
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was still alive. she was killed in a car accident more than a decade ago. well, some call this "newsweek" cover ghoulish, not just because of the ageing effect, but showing her walking alongside princess katherine. diana, of course, never met her son's wife. a fictional story accompanies the cover, speculating on what diana's life would have been like, what kind of choices she might have made. let's bring in mark saunders. you've been watching the british royals for some 25 years now. what do you think about this "newsweek" cover? >> well, i think the "newsweek" cover is tasteless and i think the article that accompanies it is tasteless. the pictures are pictures we have already seen that have been tweeted. the problem is they don't look anything like what diana would look like today. i think she would have looked nar, far better than she looks in those photographs.
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the article can't be taken seriously and it's not funny enough to be taken as parody. so it's not very funny. and in bad taste to be honest. >> how do you suppose the royals even feel about this? >> well, one thing about -- well, i mean, william and harry are obviously our main concern. the only thing william has really said about this, when he reads about his mother, it's very rarely the person he actually knew. certainly the. person who wrote this article is tin nap brown, who has made something of a career making a career out of saying she was best friends with dia diana. she didn't know her at all. the kind of political aspects of it where diana would be politically, completely wrong.
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somebody i don't think knew diana at all. >> that closeless that tina brown speaks of, maybe that's why she felt like she could take it a little bit further and say she even expected diana would choose an iphone over a blackberry. that she would friend camilla parker bowles on facebook if she were still alive today. why would the editor do this? why would she take it this far? >> i think just for effect. as i say, it's not a particularly good article. you can't anticipate what somebody else would have done, you know, had they lived 14 years later. and that's pretty impossible. and the idea of princess diana using twitter, i think is quite -- is just silly. having said that, diana probably would have suffered greatly with the amount of mobile phones today and the amount of photographs today. she would have used iphone and all of that, but only to her friends in the same way she used ler own phone when she was alive. >> so mark, apparently, one of
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the staffers reportedly had said that the powers with "newsweek," quote, couldn't be happier with the buzz. they're happy that people are talking about it and they're happy they're getting this kind of attention. we have reached out to tina brown many times to join us on this program. still nothing. is this the kind of publicity you think "newsweek" with the new, you know, woman in charge was looking for? >> it's a strange direction for "newsweek" to take. you think it's serious journalism. i certainly wouldn't call this serious journalism. there may be a buzz on your side of the pond. but it's pretty much disregarded here. there's no interest. the royal wedding recently showed us the world has moved on. we're never going to forget diana, but william and katherine are holding the torch now and the whole thing is moving on. and sdie jana has got her place in history, and that's not the front page of "newsweek."
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i just find the whole thing tacky to be honest. >> mark saunders from london, thanks so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. now, watch this. >> president obama called a news conference on short notice explaining why big oil, millionaires and billionaires should no longer enjoy tax breaks. the news is now. doctors say jared loughner is doing some disturbing things behind bars, but can the accused madman be forced to take medication? minutes from now, the fight goes to court. as night fell, terrorists attacked. a fancy hotel in afghanistan, under siege for hours as militants went floor to floor, pulling triggers and blowing themselves up. >> my room started to shake. >> we'll take you behind their carefully orchestrated plan, a plan to unleash terror.
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plus, michelle bachmann hits a sour note. tom petty sends a cease and desist letter to the republican over this song. ♪ find out why he's just the latest singer to challenge a politician. the president is wagging his finger at congress today. republicans in particular. he is warning congressional leaders that the u.s. government could enter default on august 2 if congress refuses to pay the bills run up over the years. let's listen to the president earlier today at the white house. >> this is not a situation where, you know, congress is going to say okay, we won't buy this car or we won't take this vacation. they took the vacation, they bought the car and now they're
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saying maybe we don't have to pay or pay as fast as we said we were going to. that's not how responsible families act. and we're the greatest nation on earth. malia and sasha generally finish their homework a day ahead of time. malia is 13, sasha is 10. it is impressive. they don't wait until the night before. they're not pulling all-nighters. they're 13 and 10. you know, congress can do the same thing. if you know you' got to do something, just do it. >> chief political analyst gloria borjer is borger, the p new strategy, shame the congress into acting on this debt limit.
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is it going to work? >> when you're president of the united states, you want to be above the congress and you want to look like a leader. when you want to pick on somebody, it's kind of easy, just pick on the folks who are actually less popular than you are. and congress is less popular. and i think here, the president was sort of trying to say okay to the american public, we have a job to do, we need to do it. it's a refrain that will work with the american public because they don't like congress. but i have to ask the question, which is did the president advance the ball at all during this press conference? and i'm going to answer my own question, which is i don't think he really did. he gave the broad outlines that we all know which is, you know, democrats want to cut spendi spending -- i mean republicans want to cut spending and democrats want to raise your taxes or are willing to raise your taxes and republicans say no to tax hikes. but did he actually get us down the road? i think no.
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>> was that the idea? to move the ball? or was it to offer clarity? >> well, i think he wanted to offer political clarity from his point of view. the budget talks have broken up. everybody knows the extent of the problem, the size of the problem. everybody knows you can't resolve it just by spending cuts. that something needs to be done on the tax side. and you're sort of at an impasse. and the question is, whether the president as the ultimate leader, he challenged people on leadership, but the question is whether the president as president can actually push these talks along. and i didn't see anything today that would show that that was going to happen 3.
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>> the democrats are saying we're willing to some cuts. the republicans say we don't want to raise taxes. but the president said we don't want to raise taxes on everyone, just those who can afford it. the millionaires, billionaire, the oil companies. has there been any response from the republicans to try to counter what the president is saying in terms of who would be enjoying tax breaks from this point forward if there is a deal? >> well, the house speaker basically spent out a statement and says the president knows full well we are not going to pass any tax increases at all through the republican house. and that's probably a reality actually that they're going to the to deal with at some point. so, you know, john boehner said absolutely no way. and what's.happening now -- >> no way to taxes on the oil companies and to millionaires and billionaires? no more taxes to anyone? >> and by the way, oil companies aren't exactly popular, right? neither are people who have
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corporate jets, for example, and they get some tax benefits. they're not popular. but the republicans say, this is not the time to raise taxes on anybody, in the middle of a recession. the democrats are saying you can't do it all with spending cuts. and by the way, something we ought to talk about that's going to be on the table here is perhaps a freeze on defense spending, which maybe both sides can agree to, given the changing alliances on defense. the president said today, you know what we're going to go along with some defense cuts. right now, there is an impasse and neither side wants to give, and it is a presidential campaign issue as you just heard a short time ago. right? >> every republican presidential campaign is saying no way, we need to have a large amount of spending cuts if we're going to raise this debt ceiling.
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>> gloria borger in washington, thanks very much. appreciate it. if it's interesting and it's happening right now, you're about to see it. rapid fire, here we go. up first, iran in trouble again. earlier today, british foreign secretary accuse accused iran of testing new missiles that have the potential to deliver a nuclear payload. he also says iran plans to enrich uranium to a higher level, greater than needed for peaceful nuclear energy. iran still says its nuclear program is only aimed at generating electricity. and nasa is giving us a better perspective on that close call for the international smas stati -- space station. they said some space junk is the closest anything has ever come to the space station. we're talking a distance of just 1,100 feet. nasa still hasn't been able to identify the object, but it is expected to burn up in the atmosphere. and nasa's solar dynamics
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observatory launched last year is sending back never before seen activity of our sun. that's it right there. scientists are seeing the first high resolution measurements ever taken of solar flares. and researchers have discovered that solar storms are caused by giant magnetic ropes. they believe this new information will have a major impact on science in future astrophysics. take a look at this newly released video. june 10 surgery. speculation was fuelled that he was ailing. chavez did not talk about his health in the video.
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>> news corp sold myspace today, right? rumor is it was sold for around $35 million. news corp bought it six years ago for $600 million. the writing was on the wall, though. myspace announced layoffs yesterday. the ceo said he would leave in about the next two months. >> so let's move on to what is being called the biggest reckoning of the 2008 financial crisis so far. bank of america, agreeing to pay billions of investors to settle a lawsuit over mortgage-backed securities. what's the agreement all about? >> yeah. this is a whopping settlement. bank of america is going to pay $8.5 billion to 22 very large investors. they're names we've all heard
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of, not just individuals. it includes the federal reserve bank of new york, met life, inc. they thought they were buying mortgages from b of a, but they were actually borrowing from borrowing with very bad credit. ge despite the big payout, though, b of a shares rallied just under 3% today. this is a one-time deal, now they can push on and avoid the issue in the future. >> we're minutes away on a hearing of drastic measures that may be taken on jared loughner. they say he needs medication because of what he's doing behind bars.
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convict amanda knox is unsound. good to see you. what was the evidence, the dna evidence in question? >> well, this is very crucial element of the case certainly. there are two pieces of forensic evidence that linked her former boyfriend and her to the murder. leading knox to the murder was a knife in which amanda's dna was on the handle and kirchner's dna was on the blade. the material on the blade was never double tested because there wasn't enough of it. what the independent experts found in their report that they submitted today was that that's not valid. it's just not good enough. you have to double test all forensic evidence in a case like this. they did confirm that it is amanda's dna on the handle, was the knife was found in her boyfriend's apartment. they contend perhaps she cooked there as her family says.
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so that's justifiable. that blade, though, with meredith kirchner's dna on the blade has been thrown out, as far as the dna experts have found. the other piece or two pieces that were re-examined, dna was found on the metal clasp of her bra that was put cut from her bra after she was murdereded. the problem is that was collected six weeks after the murder occurred. the crime scene had been closed during the time but it wasn't collected and the experts said hey, that's just not good enough. you need to have a clean piece of evidence and they contend that perhaps contamination could have occurred. so these two very important pieces of forensic evidence that linked amanda knox and rafael are now according to these experts not valid. what remains to be seen, though, is what the appellate court does with this. they got the report now, but they'll be -- this report will
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be argued by the defense, by the prosecution, by a number of experts on the 25th of july. so that's when we'll know exactly what this appellate court is saying. >> and the judge will accept this argument being made based on this independent review? >> well, they will take into consideration independent experts, they called for an independent review of the forensic evidence, but you have to remember that in the italian court system, everybody has a voice. you've got the family of meredith kircher has a lawyer present. the prosecutor of the trial is in the courtroom, experts from the defense, both rafael and amanda knox. they will all be able to provide their own rebuttal or their own information that backs up the findings of these independent experts. it is very positive for amanda knox right now, but we don't know what the appellate court is going to do with it. and it's also important to keep in perspective they were convicted on a variety of
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issues, not just these two pieces of forensic evidence. it's very important, there's no question, but we don't know what weight this holds for the appellate court. >> barbie nato coming to us from rome. appreciate that. >> none of us thought we were going to make it. i wrote a little will according to islamic law. i put it in my pocket just in case. >> witnesses describe the horrifying moments inside the intercontinental hotel in kabul. terrorists attacking in the middle of the night there, and we're now learning the attackers were not members of the taliban. and i'll tell you exactly who they are suspected of being. and where they came from next. i can't wait to take 'em out, throw 'em away and never see them again. [ male announcer ] know the feeling? get the contacts you've got to see to believe. acuvue® oasys brand contact lenses with hydraclear® plus technology, keeping your eyes exceptionally comfortable all day long. it feels like it disappeared on my eye. [ male announcer ] discover why it's the brand eye doctors trust most for comfort. if you have astigmatism,
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>> throwing chairs, spitting at guards. those are reports from inside the prison where jared loughner is being held. the man accused of shooting gabrielle giffords and several others. he's due in court now. at argument is whether the prison should be able to forcibly medicate loughner. his lawyers say such a move violates his rights but prosecutors argue that he's a danger to others and himself. cnn's senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin joins me now. can the prison make that call? >> the short answer is the prison is allowed to give him medication if he's a danger to himself or others.
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where it gets complicated is, is the prison allowed to give him medication to make him fit for trial? because at the moment, the judges say he's not fit for trial. and that question, they haven't quite reached it yet, but it's a very hard and interesting question. >> so it sounds like what will also be argued is what type of medication would these prison officials want to give him. >> well, usually judges stay out of the question of what kind of medication. judges recognize they're not doctors and they're not going to run through a list and say this drug but not this drug. what they are going to do is basically say whether someone can be medicated at all. and judges tend to defer to prison authorities on these issues for just that reason, because they are not doctors and they don't know exactly -- they don't know how to prescribe medici medicine. the problem comes when a prisoner resists, as it appears
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loughner is resisting. and the question then becomes when can you prescribe medicine? at this point, it appears to be when he's a danger to himself or others. but that sometimes is very hard to determine. >> is this a decision the judge will make immediately? >> no, the judge is going to hear evidence. he needs to hear from doctors. he needs to hear from the lawyers on both sides. they recognize they don't have the expertise to make these judgments. they try to stay away from whether this person can be medicated, you know, what kind of medication it is. >> okay. could this potentially mean, if a judge says okay to medication, could this potentially mean that declaration that he's incompetent to stand trial be
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reversed and potentially he could be competent to stand trial as a result of the drugs? >> absolutely. and that's what makes this so controversial. when this judge said he was incompetent to stand trial, the judge very clearly said for now. he may become competent in the future and, in fact, psych trofic drugs often work and the judge is frankly counting on their working. yes, down the robe he could become fit to stand trial and frankly that's the goals of the prosecution of the defenprosecu. the defense wants their client to get better, but not so much better that he could go to trial and potentially get the death penalty. >> jeffrey toobin, thanks so much from new york. appreciate that. >> all right, new information now on a story that broke on our watch just 24 hours ago. the fiery and deadly attack on
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the intercontinental hotel in kabul in afghanistan.. the afghan interior ministry now says 21 people died in the siege that began with suicide bombers storming the hotel. all nine attackers were reportedly killed along with two afghan national police and ten civilians. the taliban claimed responsibility for the attack, but the afghan government claims terrorists loyal to a pakistan-based war lord who is determined to destabilize the afghan government. afghanistan's interior minister says all nine attackers came into afghanistan from pakistan. and one man is in custody after a baseball fan gets a brutal beat down in the parking lot at a dodgers game. might there be more to it, though? the victim is shown getting into an argue. before the assault inside the stadium. could it lead to any new arrests? we've just received the video and you'll see it next. hey!
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>> take a look at this. it will be fast, just a few seconds long, but it's being viewed by los angeles police, leaving no stone unturned in an investigation of a brutal assault on a man who wore a san francisco giants shirt to a game at dodgers stadium. this video was posted on tmz.com. >> little tricky to make out. tmz says that's a giants fan in a verbal confrontation with a dodger fan. you can see stow holding up his hands and the dodgers fan returning to his seat. according to tmz, police don't
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suspect the dodger fan in the post game beating that put stow in a coma, but the video is the first to surface, showing stow inside the stadium during the game. stow was later attacked by two men who knocked him over then punched and kicked him in the parking lot. police have identified one suspect but he claims to have an alibi and has not been charged. he has, however, been sent back to prison for violating parole. stow is still in the hospital. >> i saw one guy, he took off his shirt, put on a black shirt, gas mask, gloves and he got a baton and he went into fight. >> cnn's richard quest in the middle of escalating violence on the streets of greece. tear gas, fire balls, rocks. we'll go to him live next. start with soup then have salad and biscuits followed by 1 of 7 delicious entrees and finish with something sweet
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>> all right, tear gas and violence rocked greece and a nuclear lab is feeling the heat right here in the u.s. we begin with reynolds wolf live in new mexico. what's happening there? >> right now, things in lo los alamos itself, the city is kwai pept in fact, walking through what normally would be a busy street on a wednesday afternoon, but again, they have
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the mandatory evacuations. not too many people here. not too many cars save for emergency vehicles, law enforcement and firefighters. not only are things kind of weird now, but also take a look at the sky behind me. you see plenty of blue skies out there, but then as you pan over towards the west, you see something different all together. clouds, smoke and underneath that, plenty of fire. if you look down in the foreground also, you're going to see something else. back on the hillsides, you can see the telltale signs of a blaze about a decade ago. right below that, the fire is not only burning as we speak, but it's getting very close to virgin territories in terms of forests. places that have just been untouched, unscathed during the last big fire and that is the big fear that those fires, those flames, those embers are going to make its way to that possible fuel area and we're going to see things accelerate. another big issue we have is the
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topography of this area alone. between each separate mesa, you have ravines filled with again that untouched vegetation. if you were to get some of those fires, some of those embers right there, you're going to see everything go up like a tinderbox. what's even more frightening, the prospect that heat rises, the fire would come up over the side of the ravines and affect this town. a widespread evacuation, mandatory evacuation. >> so what is the plan with fire now? >> i think it's definitely getting closer. the size of thf facility is very bhig, nearly 40 square miles. and fire burned the southern part of the perimeter. it is now threatening over the in western half.
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in fact, our photo journalist, that is what's approaching the western side of the facility. but the pro-b is, it's not only the foliage, but also the weather that's not cooperating. the wind is picking up and it's dry. it's a mess, but the men and women battling the blaze are up to the task. >> next up, richard quest is in athens. richard, riot police faced off with demonstrators as greek lawmakers voted to raise tacks and cut benefits. nighttime right now, have things calmed down at all? >> yes. things are considerably calmer than they were earlier on in the day. the parliament over there to my right, they voted by a larger majority for the austerity measures. and the riot police have done battle with the protesters all day and all evening.
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now, there are a lot fewer protesters there now. the stun grenades go up, the tear gas gets fired and it all wafts over all over again. they believe it's the wrong way to go. there were objections over austerity. then the hooligans would open up any argument in a fight and they've taken the opportunity to go against the police. it's been nasty. it's been long standing, long running. but ultimately it's not as bad as it was this morning and this afternoon. >> richard quest, appreciate that. remember this?
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>> with the campaign season heating up this summer, one common site will be political rallies. with rallies coming music. you know, victory anthems that candidates walk out to an help drive home the last line of the speech? what happens when the artist of a rally jam says hold on, you've struck a chord. stop using my song. it's the topic of today's "political pop." tom petty tells michelle bachmann to hit the stop button, why? >> loudly. this is really an issue we've seen colt come up time and time again. the latest backlash, as you mentioned, between a republican presidential candidate and singer tom petty. so here's what happened. at the end of her big campaign
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announcer in iowa, the bachmann campaign played petty's "american girl." listen to this. ♪ petty is peeved with bachmann's usage of his hit song and has gone as far as issues a cease and desist letter. he's demanding that he stopped playing it, but it looks like bachmann won't back down. she did it again, yes, last night at a rally at myrtle beach. bachmann's campaign cranked out petty's song again after she wrapped up her speech. let's listen again. ♪ so this time, the song ended up
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abruptly. 23450i9er petty nor bachmann's campaign is commenting, but this wouldn't be the first time, fred, that the rock 'n roll hall-of-famer has told a politician, hey, don't do me like that. obviously the title of one of his famous songs. petty zeroed in on canada george w. bush saying he stop using his song "i won't back down" in hissed by for the white house. >> we'll see what happens next on this. >> all right, it's the magazine cover of an aged princess diane along princess katherine.
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anthony when earlier today her father george anthony was on the stand and had a very difficult time keeping himself composed while a very stone-faced casey anthony sat and watched his testimony. so now let's listen in to what this grief expert is saying. >> this hysteria is such, if you will, that it's their response to grief when they've come from an environment where they never had help thil coping mechanisms and at the same time were never told to talk about things that happened in the family. >> have you treated individuals who have lost a loved one who have appeared exactly the same according, for example, to friends and family members as part of your practice, the day before and the day after the loss? and continue to appear that way for years afterwards? >> yes. i have seen people lose a child
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and make aringments and then go to work the next day and the next day and the next day. i have seen children come back to florida state who have lost a grandparent over the weekend and delve into sorority life and become a hot shot student or a very bad student. as though nothing has ever happened. or someone comes up and says something, i don't want to talk about that. denial is a great tool for as long as you can make yourself believe what you're saying. >> objection. >> sustained. >> next question. >> that's all i have, your honor. >> is being very, very happy
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consistent with grief? >> can be. >> is being very, very sad consistent with grief? >> there are three eemotions, sad, happy and mad. those are the three we see most often. >> are there any variations on the continuum between happy and sad that are not consistent with grief? >> ask me that again. >> what i'm trying to figure out, is every state of demeanor between very happy and very sad consistent with grief. >> on the entire continuum? >> i think i would be remiss if i didn't say i have seen patients in any one of those levels. >> so there's nothing about the demeanor in that way that either excludes or includes grief. it can be anything? >> it could be. >> okay.
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how about interest in sex. >> can. >> there's research that shows when you don't have words to make things better, it's a method to make things better. >> so complete lack of interest in sex to promiscuity, all of that is squibt with grief? is that your testimony? >> well, i think promiscuity is maybe taking it too far. i think that in the death of some folks who were very, very close find that they will do things that they haven't done in the first 40 years just for the comfort of it.
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>> so any action in terms of your sexual desire is consistent with grief? anything is that right? >> there are not facts to support this and i think it also exceeds the skoeb of the direct? >> overruled. >> i certainly have patients that found that in the beginning sex seemed to help them with their grief and as they began to kbk a little more aware of their environment and the things that they're doing, realized that that probably wasn't the thing that was going to make them feel better. >> what i'm looking for is can you give me anything that is insquint with grief? >> i can give you things that are insquint with healthy grief.
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>> no? the question is the import of your testimony is to interpret certain facts as squint with grief. that's your understanding of why you were called, correct? >> yes. >> so tell me anything that is inconsistent with grief, any type of activity, any type of attitude, any type of demeanor that you would agree is inconsistent with grief. >> well again, if you're not going to allow me to say that there are healthy grief responses and i think there are aberrant grief response that need intervention. i must put both piles together, then i would have to say anything could happen when someone has a great grief. >> so no matter what hypothetical i would give you, you would say that could be consistent with grief. >> i would probably say if it
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was something aberrant. that's consistent with inappropriate grief response. >> okay. but what i'm getting at is no matter what hypothetical counsel gave you, you would say it's squint with grief because everything is consistent with grief in your opinion. >> everything is -- falls into a category somewhere along the line from pathological grief responses to healthy grief responses. >> now, can you draw that a certain person is grieving? do you see what i'm saying? not assuming there's a loss an interpreting it as grief, but can you do the opposite? can you look at a set of actions, not knowing what came before them and say yeah, this is grief or no this is not.
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>> well, i have a tool used in medical schools. if someone came to my clinic and if i looked at the symptoms that came up, i can't sleep at night, i've got the hiccup hiccups, ev wednesday i just don't seem to get out of bed, fascinating exchange involving a grief expert on the stand right now. we're going to check in with sunny hostin after this. now no one will want to steal the deliciousness. with a variety of tastes and textures, only chex mix is a bag of interesting. oh, we call it the bundler. let's say you need home and auto insurance. you give us your information once, online... [ whirring and beeping ]
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the 5:00 p.m. eastern hour, we get a very different perspective on what's going on from rand paul of kentucky who's going to respond to what we heard from the president at his news conference earlier in the day. one note i should point out, i'm in chicago because of bill clinton's conference, the clinton global initiative, dealing with the economy, creation of jobs. i'll have a special interview with bill clinton tomorrow here in chicago. all of that coming up, back to you. >> all right, appreciate that. before the break, we took you to the casey anthony murder trial and there you a bit of testimony coming from a grief expert talking about the range of emotions one might feel after something traumatizing like the loss of a child. and you also saw casey anthony, the defendant who was tearfully listening in. now rather stoic expression coming from her in these live pictures. let's bring in sunny hostin.
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this is fascinating. we heard this grief expert talk about the range of emotions. everything from being -- showing apathy to just kind of resuming routine. so she's trying to paint a picture that the behavior that one might have seen from casey anthony is rather consistent because there are a range of emotions. is that what we should understand from this system? >> well, certainly that's what the defense wants this jury to understand. everyone watching this trial is how does the defense explain the 31 days when casey anthony went to parties, acted as if, danced at clubs, drank. when she knew that her daughter was dead. how does the defense explain that? well now, this doctor, she's an expert in grief and trauma. she's been practicing for over
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40 years and teaching in this area. she says given the hypothet call facts, 22-year-old loses a 3-year-old who she had a wonderful relationship with, it would be consistent with grief in a family that has a code of silence. we know there's evidence of this. because this family hid casey antho anthony's pregnancy until she was about eight months pregnant. thf defense is trying to prove her behavior wuntz the behavior of a cold blooded murderer but rather the behavior of an affected sexually abused young woman who was grieving for the loss of her daughter. >> at the same time, you're hearing the prosecution who wants to poke holes in the testimony from this grief expert saying okay, if there are a range of emotions that one can feel, then try to define what would be inconsistent with grief and that expert did not answer that question. >> that's right.
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but that's the only place a prosecutor could go. if i was a prosecutor, that's where i would go. i don't know that he made that many points. i think the point has been made to this jury that her behavior is not so out of the norm, it's not so abnormal. and i think this witness probably has been one of the strongest witnesses for this defense team. >> but then compare a tearful casey anthony with earlier, kind of stone faced expression when her father, george anthony was on the stand and he was nearly inconsolable. i imagine that the jurors are now going to also weigh the testimony of this grief expert, not only trying to analyze casey anthony's behavior after her child was missing but also analyze her behavior in the courtroom. this could backfire for the defense. >> it certainly could.
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