popular art museum, is closing to visitors. a helicopter company is selling air taxi service to los angeles international airport, and jetblue is offering $4 flights between long beach and burbank in a promotion called over the 405. no doubt it will be miserable for our friends on the west coast, but if all goes as planned, it will be over by monday morning. that will do it for me. s cnn newsroom" continues right now with it. j. holmes. >> the news we're just getting in may not be good for the rupert murdoch empire. word now that the fbi is looking into the whole hacking scandal. the scandal now of news international, started in great britain, but it has now a chance to possibly make it over to the united states, but we have confirmed through the fbi that they are now, law enforcement sources, that the fbi is now looking no this hacking scandal in which journalist who worked

for news international and tabloids over in great britain possibly tried to hack into the phone numbers of 9/11 victims and possibly some other u.s. citizens, so now this scandal that started over in great britain has a chance to make it to the united states and the fbi it appears right now is getting involved. we'll have much more on this still developing story throughout the next couple of hours here on cnn. also coming up for you this hour, the man accused of killing and mutilating an 8-year-old boy is arraigned in court. the charges, first-degree kidnapping and first-degree murder. we will take you there coming up, and adarandi kaye just mentioned to you a moment ago, l.a. is gearing up for gridlock. you might be thinking, well, what's the big deal? it's l.a. they are used to gridlock on their highways. but this is different. they are calling it carmageddon, and it's set to begin soon. but first, let me give you a update on where we are with the debt negotiations going on in

washington, d.c. at 4:15, that's a little more this an hour from now, the talks are set to resume right there at the white house. now, it was this time yesterday we told you that these talks were getting a bit testy. the two sides, why not be getting testy, are under pressure of an august 2nd deadline to get a deal to raise the debt ceiling or risk a u.s. government default on its bills. well, last evening we are told things became even more testy, extremely heated. we'll get to more on that in just a moment, but first an extremely urgent call within the past half hour from the treasury secretary himself. take a listen. >> the eyes of the country are on us, and the eyes of the world are on us, and we need to make sure we stand together and send a definitive signal that we're going to take the steps necessary to avoid default and also take advantage of this opportunity to make some progress in dealing with our long-term fiscal problems. we don't have much time. it's time we move.

>> he said they are running out of ways to try to find congress more time. he said there's no way to give them more time to time to come toin a agreement on this debt ceiling. coming up in just a few minute, we'll be talking to a key democratic congressman who will be joining me in just a moment. >> what you're hearing and seeing here is a family's heart wrenching good-bye to their 8-year-old son. thousands gathered, gathered there to say good-bye to leibby kletzky. his funeral is with his family and you're seeing some of the video of here. leibby was brutally murdered and his body found in pieces yesterday. 35-year-old levi aron is charged with kidnapping and murder in the case. police say leibby was walking

home from day camp for the first time on monday when he got lost, and he stopped to ask for directions, and that was the last time he was seen alive. what you're seeing is surveillance video of aron, the suspect, and the boy outside a dentist office. now this clue at the dentist office helped them track down their suspect. now levi aron made his first appearance in court just a few minutes ago. he's just been formally charged with murder and kidnapping in the first degree. our deb feyerick joins us live from new york. how did this all go down in court? >> very brief. aron has been ordered to undergo a two-week psychiatric evaluation, also put on suicide watch. his defense lawyers in court saying that he told them that he hears voices. now, aron has been charged with kidnapping and murdering of that 8-year-old little boy, leibby kletzky. surveillance chid shows the child walking home by himself, a

backpack slung over his shoulder. he was walking home for the first time from day camp. he had arranged with his parents to meet them halfway. again, every parent wrestles with this. how much freedom do you give a children, and at what age? they had done a dry run, but apparently he took a wrong turn, and police say that he -- he -- he met aron and then they went to a dentist office where he waited for the man. this wasn't technically a stranger because he looked like all the other men in his community, conservatively dressed. he was kind, offered to take the boy home, but the child never made it home. there was an all-out manhunt, around aron says that when he saw what was going on, saw the search for the boy, he apparently panicked, and that's when he dismembered the child, putting his body parts in a suitcase and some in a refrigerator in that home. this, according to police, but, again, the tragedy for this family, especially because it had been a topic of

conversation, and you can see the suitcase there where the child is said to have been put or parts of him put in there. anyway, looking in the dumpster there. again arc real tragedy for this family this, community, this neighborhood, t.j. >> and you said technically a stranger, but is there any indication that the suspect knew the little boy at all? >> no, none at all, and that's what is so shocking to members of the jewish community, that -- that the randomness of the act, that of all people, this child would have encountered, that he encountered somebody who -- who could do something like this. again, the kind of thing that in your mind you go over and over and over again with what if? what if? i knew i shouldn't have, so really just a tragedy, a big tragedy for this family. >> and the family and the community as a whole. i mean, that was an overwhelming response when the boy went missing in the first place and the suspect saying that's what kind of first scared him, but what's the reaction, and what has it been now after the fact,

after not just to find out the boy has been killed, but to be killed in such a graphic manner? >> well, what we're being told is actually at the family's home there were signs that were put up clearly saying that the family had not been told of the details, because you can imagine a number of people going to try to figure out what their response was, but the family apparently has not been specifically told of how the child died, just that he died. so, again, they had to have been kind of aware because the child was put in a casket and, again, it's just so horrible that it's not the kind of thing that you can talk about, much less imagine. >> yeah, and the video to our viewers you're seeing there is the new video we're just getting in. that was the suspect aron that deb has been talking about, getting in the vehicle there, but, again, making his first court appearance. now formally charged. you can see the press all around. a story that shocked the story,

but really a nation to hear some of the details, and, deb, it's a pretty good idea that maybe some of the family members being spared some of those details. deb, we appreciate you as always. just a horrible, horrible story. thank you so much. we'll turn live now to a live picture i'll be looking at with you. for the first time i'm seeing this with you. in to us from our affiliate in seattle. you can see my man there struggling a little bit. this is apparently a window washer out there in washington state. he had a bit of an incident on the side of that building. he is stuck. he has a harness there, so he's holing on for dear life. i don't think that is an overstatement to say. it looks like they are trying to reach him, the fire fighters are trying to reach him by ladder. i'm told this is a window watcher. again, we see these incidents. amazing that these guys do what they do. looks like a fire fighter is making his way up to this gentleman. who knows how long he's been stuck here. getting this live picture in.

going on for a minute here, and you know it probably felt like quite a long time for that window washer to be hanging there, stuck, not able to get off the side of the building. i don't have good perspective here. seeing this picture with you folks for the first time, so the perspective of just how high up he may be on the side of the building. you don't see scaffolding or anything under him. maybe that fell. maybe he lost that somewhere in this process of his job today, but it looks like they have made it to him. from this picture it looks like things will be fine for the gentleman, but i assure you, he probably doesn't feel the same way until his feet are on solid ground. see the fire fighters up there on top. >> make sure that the man is going to be okay. feet on something solid. >> that feels good, doesn't it? looks like he might be all right and will be able to climb down that ladder. get some more details to see exactly what was happening to him, out there again in seattle. we're ten minutes past the hour,

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all right. we return now to the story we've been following about that gruesome murder of an 8-year-old boy. there he is. police say leibby kletzky was smothered and mutilated by 35-year-old levi aron. i want to bring in now pat brown are founder and ceo of the sexual homicide exchange to talk about this crime. pat, we appreciate you being here. horrible, horrible story. we'll listen to the suspect's ex-wife in just a second, but before i get to that sound, i want to ask this question of you, before you even know anything about this man or even any histories, to hear this crime. you don't start your criminal career with a crime like this, do you? >> well, there's probably something in the past. i mean, he's not that young, he's beenin adult for a good 12 years. possible there's other crimes and he's lived in other places so he'll backtrack to see if other little boys have gone

missing where he's lived. >> let's take a listen now to what his ex-wife giving us some insight maybe into this suspect. let's listen. i'll ask you about it on the other side. >> nobody knows what's going on. i'm just now finding out information. i've been in total shock since my pho off the hook at 8:00 this morning. spoken to him not long ago, and everything seemed to be fine. >> total shock. everything seemed to be fine. is that really possible that sometimes it happens and we have no idea about people and what they are capable of or you think there had to be a sign of something? >> well, there's always a sign of psychopaty but a lot of times you don't recognize it's going to lead to this, an a lot of times you minimize behaviors and accept them as just odd. believe me, this guy is a serial killer, unknown serial killer until now. the question is has he done something before and would he have done something in the future and the answer is absolutely yes. what aron is saying is a pack of

lies. first of all, hearing voices now so he can try to get the insanity defense and also blaming the community for dismembering that little boy. in other words, he's saying if it weren't for the community, i wouldn't have done, that and that is garbage, because he's pretty much like jeffrey dahmer. when he took that little boy, he had a plan for that child, did something horrible to that child, and he mattered that smiled and dismembered him either because he liked to dismember people like jeffrey dahmer, unfortunately, cannibalism which makes us shudder even more horribly. might have liked to keep child around, who knows, but some people keep parts in the freezer of their victims. they enjoy, that and eventually he was planning to get rid of the body, dispose of the body in pieces so he could get it out of the third floor house he was living in and not have anybody suspicious. i don't think the community had anything to do with it. trying to blame them for what happened to the little boy. he's a psychopath. >> police, more details coming

out. the suspect actually left the boy at his apartment and went to work on tuesday. let's listen to this. >> the boy was in the apartment that he came home after going to work. we know he went to work. we know he had changed his appearance somewhat. he shaved more closely on tuesday than he normally does, and he did come home from work, or he left -- he left work at the usual time on tuesday. >> what -- what does that tell you if someone did that, that the suspect we're talking about here, left the boy, came back home. what does that say to you? >> well, first of all, we don't know what he actually did because those are arn's words. he may be trying to indicate the child was alive until he was

forced into killing him because of the big search. the child may have already been dead or it's possible he had him tied up there and duct taped. that could be true as well, but we don't know that because it's come out of aron's mouth and not anybody else's. i wouldn't believe anything we have that would prove a time of death or anything, but at this point i don't think they will find that. >> i want to go back to something you said a moment ago. you said this person, in your estimation, again, suspect right now, allegedly or reportedly has confessed here, but you're saying or you said that he is a serial killer. >> correct. >> are you saying he may have or may have not killed someone in the past? are you saying that that is in him to be a serial killer, no matter if he's killed someone before or not? >> exactly. it's his personality. it's something he likes to do. you don't just wake up one day and say, look, i'm i want to abduct a little boy, possibly rape a child and murder the child. you don't wake up one day and say that. you are what you are and we

haven't found what he's connected to. hopefully he hasn't killed before, but they may find out he has a string of murder. thank god he's off the street because he would continue doing what he was doing. no community is safe. people say how did this happen? well, he's looking for a stranger, somebody he's not connected to, so any time there's a little boy just available for a few seconds, a window of opportunity, he can grab it, and he does follow some of the rules of the community, and that's kind of easy for him to mimic because psychopaths are good at mimicking. if they can mimic behaviors of a community and puts everyone at ease and makes them think he's one of us. thank god for cameras. that's the biggest thing we have in crime fighting today. saved a lot of lives. >> a good point an certainly in new york you can't walk two blocks without being caught on cameras. >> he would not have been caught without this camera. not have been caught. >> pat, thanks so much. a tough story. pat brown, thank you, as always. 18 minutes past the hour now. we turn out to a mess in los angeles. no matter how bad you think your

commute was this morning, no matter how bad you think traffic is in your city, it is nothing compared to what's about to happen in l.a. have you ever heard about this yet? they go over the top with the names of things, but this one might actually be dead on. it's called carmageddon. a ten-mile chunk of a major interstate is set to shut down tomorrow. now folks are bracing for this gridlock. we'll tell you all about this coming up. stay with us. you could save a bundle with geico's multi-policy discount. geico, saving people money on more than just car iance. ♪ geic

all right. southern california, bracing for what they are calling carmageddon. this weekend a ten-mile stretch of the 405 freeway will close for 53 hours as part of a $1

billion construction project. now any given weekend half a million vehicles use the 405. the detour is expected to cause epic traffic jams between burbank and l.a. now, they are trying to get the word out, and look at who they dug up, important from the old tv show "c.h.i.p.s." who has come out to warn people to stay away. look at this. >> hi, i'm erik estrada and i'm here with real motorcycle police officers to remind you that the weekend of july 16 and 17 a ten-mile stretch of the 405 freeway will be closed from the 10 to the 101 flowway. >> what's he been up to lately? other celebrities including ryan seacrest and kim kardashian and lady gaga are warning people to stay away from the 405 and jetblue has come up with a way

around this nightmare, $4 flights, $4, from one side of town to the other. would you believe they have sold out. sandra, it's tough sometimes to get people around the country to understand just how big of a deal the 405 is. you don't want to be on it when it's all good, so you certainly don't want to be on it this weekend. help people get some perspective of just how big of a traffic nightmare the 405 is on a day-to-day basis. >> reporter: well, t.j., this is bigger than any hollywood production. imagine a major artery servicing san fernando valley to orange county completely shutting down, and local officials have been gierc up for this massive shutdown for weeks now. i'm here in front of the metro station servicing san fernando valley to north hollywood. they are encouraging people to take the train, also buses. they will have free buses over the weekend as well for people who need to get around, but, t.j., i have to say, this is a

car depend ant town, kind of like shutting down the 75, 85 in atlanta or the beltway in d.c. or the looking island expressway in new york. it is not going to be pretty, and this is all going to take place over the weekend. as you said. it will affect near hi half a million drivers all for a $1 billion construction project to expand the 405, to add an hov lane, and also they will be taking down a bridge in terms of dealing with this whole process of expanding the roadway, so clearly it's a big undertaking, and transportation officials are saying to people, hey, look, just stay home. >> we'll see if that -- >> we're expecting a lot of traffic, but we're hoping that we can manage it. but the biggest thing that's going to help is if the public stays away and stays home on this weekend. most of the people go through their lives trying to avoid the 405. this is the one weekend to tell you really need to avoid the

405. >> reporter: yeah. so we'll see how bad it is. it could be a traffic nightmare, or just easy breezy, so we'll see. i have to tell you, t.j., i'm a valley girl and grou up in northridge, living there right now. my family has to take the 405 every day. it's a major lifeline. we take it to grandma's house, and, unfortunately, this weekend i had to tell her i'm not coming over, grandma. >> oh. well instead go over the river and through the woods instead of down the 405. only on the l.a. would you go on the 405 to get to grandma's house. good to see you. talk to you again soon. again, happening again this weekend, the 405. give you an update to see how goes it in l.a. this weekend. we'll also get back to the debt ceiling talks set to get under way at at top of the hour, talks going into another day. up next, that gentleman will be talking to me, democratic congressman levin joining me about what's happening and what's the buzz up on capitol hill right now. he's with me in just a minute.

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debt negotiations set to resume in less than an hour at the white house. let's see, 4:15 eastern time so certainly less than an hour away here there. was some talk this morning about a possible weekend session at camp david. it seems like that didn't get very far. let's turn now to capitol hill to representative sandra levin, a democrat of michigan and also

a member of the ways and means committee. sir, appreciate you giving us some time today. there were reports today that the meetings last night ended ibankruptly, and kind of a tense exchange made between leader cantor and also the president. what is the buzz up there on capitol hill today and the reaction to what happened last night? >> the buzz is there. there seems to be roadblocks, and i think some people here think that the debt crisis isn't a real crisis, and somehow we can just let it happen. that would be a terrible mistake. you know, the house republicans talked a lot about the uncertainty in our economy, and i think because they are sews obstinate, they are creating greater and greater uncertainty, and i wonder what it will take. you know, last time we went through a crisis not as great, we had to turn down something and then the stock market went down almost 800 points. we should not go through that

again. everybody should understand that we've go the to face up to this. we've got to -- we can't pass the buck to anybody. >> and some are saying, at least the republican side, are saying a part of this solution is you do have to make a change in the way you do business. debt ceiling is one thing, yes, but they are also saying you've got to make changes, and part of this, just saw the republicans come out one by one to the microphones and saying that part of it is a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. would you be okay with that, and do you think democrats could go along with that? >> no way. look, many of them talk about the sacred nature of the constitution, and they now want to change it and put in restrictions that would tie up this place really to carry out a budget plan that's very unpopular that would end medicare. that's really what they are after. no, they should not talk about changing the constitution. they need to change how they are approaching this and putting off i think a decision that simply

has to be made. it has to be made. if our economy goes haywire, what's going to be the -- the results for our economy and throughout the world? we cannot play with fire. sparks with already flying, and there's a real danger here that we're going to burn up important parts of our economy. we can't take that chance. >> well, sir, do you think that the president needs to go this route? apparently a part of this meeting last night, the reportedly, he and eric cantor, majority leader, had a little back and forth to end that meeting, and he reportedly told mr. cantor, quote, eric, don't call my bluff. i'm going to the american people with this. now, in your opinion, can that work? is that a part of the problem, that the american people need to be convinced that the president and the democrats are right? haven't the american people been educated to a good point about what's happening up there, but do you think that works for the president if he just forgets the

negotiation and says i'm going to the american people, get them on my side and you'll have to come to my side? >> he didn't say forget about negotiations. they are going back, as you said, in less than an hour, but what happens is instead of buckling down and talking about alternatives, savings, yes, and the republicans willing to talk about some revenues, closing loopholes, taking on, for example, revision for oil and gas that never should have been there in the first place and also taking on tax revisions that help some people pay instead of regular taxes like everybody else does, capital begins taxes when it's their services being provided. the president isn't saying let's forget about it, i'll go to the people. what he's saying is, look, you've got to understand what's at stake. put key issues on the table and let's resolve it and not pass

the buck. that's what he's saying, if necessary, if you just put a complete roadblock, i'll go to the people, but what would be the results in between? now he was saying get sensible. >> you talk about that complete roadblock and i'll let you go on this and democrats came to the mike and a lot of them just let eric cantor have it calling him the one at the table who has yet to give any concessions and he's the one holding things up. do you agree with that, that eric cantor doesn't need to be at the table and he is the one that is holding things up? >> no. he should be at the table, but he should look at the american interests instead of the kind of dynamics within his own caucus. there are some people in the republican caucus who think this isn't a crisis, that we don't have to worry too much about it, that somehow we'll limp through, but they are really playing with fire economically, and all of the citizens of this country would be affected, and it would ripple throughout the world.

look, we're worried about the crisis in greece or italy, what would happen there? what would happen if full faith and credit of the united states is jeopardized? is would affect all of us on main street. that's -- i'm not saying to eric cantor don't go to the table. i'm saying go to the table with an open mind instead of kind of a closed fist when it comes to tackling these problems. >> representative levin, appreciate you taking the time. glad to see what happens when the meeting takes place here in less than an hour. thank you so much, sir. >> thank you. >> as we were just talking about, some reports that president obama has just about had it and has given both sides until tomorrow to decide what the next step is in these marathon debt talks, but will the democrats and republicans actually come together and just get this done? david gergen's answer next. stay with us. she's had these shoes a long time.

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well, late today the governor of minnesota offered an olive branch in an effort to get his state government back up and running. minnesota's government was forced to shut down two weeks ago when budget talks between democrat and republicans collapsed. sound familiar? well, today the governor, governor dayton, sent a letter to gop lawmakers offering to accept their latest proposal with three exceptions. dayton is asking the gop to drop social policy changes they added to minnesota's budget, as well as their call for 15% reduction in the state work force. minnesota's governor is also asking republicans to approve a construction projects bill totaling at least $500 million. it's a compromise that the governor says he does not believe in, but he says the shutdown is just too destructive and too many minnesotans are hurting right now. so will the gop there in the state accept it? well, lawmakers in washington also follow the example of minnesota with potential

compromise? are any politicians these days ready to compromise? let's bring in cnn political analyst david gergen. david, good to see you. >> good to see you, t.j. >> is it a dirty word, compromise in is that a dirty word these days? >> well, it has become that in many circles, you know. grover norquist who was featured here on cnn yesterday, wolf blitzer had a live interview with hem last night. has famously said in the past that -- that compromise is a form of -- and bipartisan is a form of date rape, form of date rape. i think they got a lot of hackles up, but i'll tell you, you know, the kind of sentiment you saw yesterday in that room, the cabinet room. there are conflicting reports, but clearly these people don't like each other very much. the rumors circulated this morning that the negotiations might -- the president might call them to camp david for the weekend, which used to be sort of a wonderful honor to be called to camp david for a sum in the. that's where a middle eastern

summit was held very successful by jimmy carter years ago, and we have two people, two leaders, both speaker boehner and nancy pelosi said no, thanks, we don't want to go. they don't look like they really want to break bread together very often, do they? >> it sounds like, david, it seems like you have to make so many concessions to get elected and people have -- they are forced and put their pledges in their faces and sign a pledge not to do this and not to do that and they are trying to stick to those pledges. is that part of our problem? are we seeing anything extraordinary necessarily up on capitol hill, or are we just going through another nasty cycle of negotiations for a big budget? >> i think we've seen a deterioration over the years in the level of bipartisanship and the willingness to work together. i first came to washington in the early 1970s and people were strong democrats or strong republicans, but the world war ii generation, those folks were first and foremost strong americans, and that faelg has

dissipated a lot, as the world war ii generation has passed from the scene. i can tell you on good authority that barack obama would love to have bob dole representing the republicans in that room right now because he looks upon bob dole and pete domenici and howard baker as the kind of republicans you can do business with. there are a lot of republicans in there who would like to see some of the kind of democrats they used to have to deal with like tip o'neill as speaker of the house, a democrat, he was willing to camp mice with reagan on many occasions. >> you talk about republicans he can deal, and we heard democrats come out, maybe about an hour ago, and one after one, including leader reid, dick durbin as well, and they were blasting eric cantor, the majority leader, saying he is the problem at the table. you've heard the president comout and say that boehner is someone he thinks is sincere and can work with. so is eric cantor the problem? >> no. >> no. >> and i think the politics of another era always said don't demonize the other side.

don't personalize this, try to stick to the issues and see what you can work out. when eric cantor come to the table, does he feel strongly about what he's saying, obviously, but he also represents a very strong sentiment within the republican ranks, you know. he's -- you know, he represents a lot of people in the republican party. there are deep conflicts between these two parties philosophically. can they find a way out? yes. cnn has just posted a blog i wrote today in which i argue it's time for a truce. it's time for a cease-fire. i believe that the items are there to get a deal if people put aside their personal animosities and look at what they have agreed so far and agree son some things, that both parties can find something that was in there for them, but most importantly it would be good for the country. we have to avert a default on our national debt obligations. the latest country to send that message is china, for goodness

sake, holding $1 trillion worth of u.s. debt. sent a very clear message. hey, guys, get your act together. you must not go into default. bernanke is saying this. everyone who is serious about the future of the u.s. economy is saying the same thing and the most important thing right now is forget about everything else. make sure we get past the default deadline and handle it well and then move back to some of these really significant issues on the debt crisis we're facing as well as a jobs crisis we're facing. >> david gergen, good to talk to you. thank you so. you said, it david. seems like they don't even like each other and that's a big problem when you're trying to compromise. >> sure is. >> we'll direct people to the blog that we posted. a quarter off the top of the hour now, and can dramatic, dramatic injuries, american troops are suffering in iraq and afghanistan, can they actually help people here at home? our barbara starr has a fascinating look into medical breakthroughs doctors have discovered from the battlefield. that is next.

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well, this fall marks ten years the u.s. has been at war in afghanistan. there's a strong connection between the care that troops receive on the battlefield and medical care here at home. in fact, some innovative techniques for treating traumatic injuries were developed on the battlefield out of pure necessity. our barbara starr joins us from the pentagon. barbara, always good to see you. it seems kind of odd here. it seems like tough to get training here that will prepare you for the battlefields, and then you go to the battlefield, and it actually trains you to come back here and be better at your job as well, but you spent

some time with doctors, medics and nurses that were going to be deployed? >> reporter: yeah. you know, it really is a medical two-way street, if you will. >> yeah. >> reporter: a lot of techniques being developed in the war to help people back home, if they suffer trauma, accidents, injuries here back home, there's been an awful lot of learning, sadly, about how to deal with all of this after all of these years of war, but for the sanjay gupta show we went to the baltimore shock trauma hospital quite close to washington here to have a look at a very unique training program that they have there where medical personnel, military medical personnel, about to go to the war zone first go to this local civilian trauma hospital to learn how to deal with some of the injuries that they will be treating once they get to the war zone. here, a lot of them are doing the sniffles and the sore throat treatment. it's bomb blasts, burns and other trauma injuries when they get to the front line, so have a

little look at some of what we found when we went there. lieutenant colonel allen ward is an air force flight surgeon who normally certifies air crews are healthy enough to fly. >> even as a flight surgeon, expected to be a jack-of-all-trades, but really in garrison, when we're not deployed, i'm an outpatient internal medicine guy. >> reporter: before getting to afghanistan, he says this, will help him learn to prioritize multiple critical patients under battlefield conditions and sharpen his ability to make rapid decisions. >> i expect to see gunshot wounds. i expect to see traumatic brain injuries from explosive devices. that means burns as well. a lot of orthopedic injuries, and, really, some horrific stuff, and what i'm doing here is getting exposure to a lot of the things i'll be seeing over there. it's an immersion really and a high-volume trauma center.

>> reporter: so we certainly hope, you know, people here don't need to go to their local emergency room for any kind of critical trauma care, but if they do or their family members do, these days there's a pretty good chance that either the emergency room doc, the nurse, the medical technician may have served in the war zone, may have been a reservist who has come back home, may have been on active duty and is now retired and gone into private medical practice, if you will. thousands have served in medical jobs over the last ten years, and they are now spread out across this country sharing what they have learned. t.j.? >> all right. barbara sta, grerr, thank you v much. see more of this on "esgoupsanj gup gupta" this weekend. >> the emmy list is now out and

many surprises in there. also, another surprise of you. have all of you gleeks out there heard about the major shakeup on your favorite show? kareen wynter will join me next and explain to me exactly when a gleek is in the first place. kareen is with me after the break. stay here.

well, hollywood woke up extra early dhorng, or maybe stayed up late for the 63rd primetime emmy nominations. there were some surprises, in new shows, new faces, all going for tv's top honor. and cuff primetime's may be losing some of its bigger

actors. tell us even before the winners are announced who is the big winner as far as the nomination go? >> a shining morn for hbo this year a whopping 104. and the spot light was on two of their new series, this in the drama category "boardwalk empire." and medieval fantasy show "game of throne." they'll have to battle it out with "mad men" which earned 19 nominations, and has won the best drama emmy three times before. the other contenders include dexter, "friday night lights" and "the good wife." a snub really for kyra sedgwick. she took home the big emmy last year, but didn't get a nod this

year. a few of the nominated leading ladies include, however, julianna margulies, kathy bates and marishka hargitay. the nominees to watch will be "modern family." will it beat out "glee" and "the office" this year? steve carell got his sixth leading acting nomination this morning, but get this. it's really hard to believe he's never won. so the buzz is that steve is a funny man to beat, especially since he won't be returning next year. so wouldn't that just be absolutely spectacular and fantastic for steve to go out this way? >> this is his last shot at it.

before we came to you, gleeks, i swear i did not understand what this was about, but gleeks out there big into the show "glee" they might be upset. might be big changes to the show. >> well, you know, even in the world of tv, television land, we all have to grow up at some point, right? so the big three stars we'll be, leah michelle, chris colfer, and cory monteith, their characters will be seniors, graduating next season. lea tweeted about her departure saying, quote we always knew we would graduate in real time. it's going to make season 3 amazing to gleeks everywhere. you're in my heart and forever, love you all. this is just the beginning. but not to worry, as we say out there, "glee's" executive

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on the negotiations going on right here in washington, d.c. of course,ed deadline august 2nd. critical of the president, she's always critical of this president, but she also had tough words for mitch mcconnell, the top republican in the senate, going after him for proposing a short-term deal that would give the president the authority to raise the debt ceiling and avoid a government default. here's what she said last night -- we cannot default, but we cannot afford to retreat, either. it's the time to reload and we reload with reality. there's tough talk. she also talked about whether she will or won't run for president. her timetable she's considering next month or september she'll have a decision. >> i know you keep an eye on numbers. a lot of the debate that has to do with taxes. where are americans right now? >> one of the big sticking points. republicans are saying huh-uh, no way to taxes, even on the wealthy. a quinnipiac survey came out

this morning. that's the question they asked, what do you think? 25% say spending cuts only, but 67%, two thirds of the people who were questioned said taxes on the wealthy and corporations could also be included in any kind of agreement to race the did the ceiling. they definitely had a difference of opinion. >> we appreciate you always. an update in about 30 minute from our political team, but right now watch this. a boy is brutally murdered, walking home from day camp alone. >> this is like a horror story in your own backyard. raising america's credit limit. >> high drama and high stakes. >> the talks are tense. >> the pressure is building, tempers are flaring. >> the clock is sticking. >> toe to toe with the president. >> lawmakers are moments away from meeting again. we're all over it.

this man is accused of luring young boys to his home, raping them and videotaping the attacks. now he's allowed to watch those videos behind bars. >> this makes me grind my teeth. >> all because of a shocking loophole. sunny hostin is on the case. plus anger -- >> name the day. >> accusations -- >> illegal activity. >> and outrage. >> order. order. >> the investigation into ruper murdock's empire could soon reach the u.s. hello to you all, top of the hour. i'm t.j. holmes brooke baldwin is off today. just moments from right now we're expecting congressional leaders to walk into that place, the white house, and once again face president obama and each other and negotiate over the nation's dead ceiling. meanwhile, the treasury secretary tim geithner made a rare appearance warning congress

to act now or this economy will face severe consequences. we are live outside the white house just minutes from now. first we are getting still more disturbing details of that 8-year-old boy's gruesome me have murder victim leibbkle it. zky. he -- we're learning the boy may have fought back. the boy's neighbors and friends devastated by this crime. >> this is like a horror story in your own backyard. it's crazy. >> it's all about submission to the will of god. we accept what comes, but there is a strong palpable sense of

anger. >> well, the assemblyman from new york helped with the massive serve for the little boy after he disappeared. we appreciate you giving us time. given all that the community poured into trying to find the young man, what has been the reaction not to his death, but some of these gruesome details? >> well, the reaction in my community and beyond my community has been total shock. people are walking around like zombies. they can't believe what happened to this very innocent 8-year-old coming home from day camp like millions of children, coming home from day camp. hoping to see his parents. he walks to meet his mother,

never meets his mother and ends up meeting this individual who ends up murdering him in the most gruesome way. i think there's a recognition by everything that this 8-year-old boy -- this is not just about brooklyn, new york. this is a story about every single family in america and throughout the world. it's about protecting our children, doing whatever we can to make them safe. not scaring them, not being overly protective, but it is a message for everybody. >> at what age, do you know, do you let them out on their own and walk to school on their own and walk back home? would a parent, besides that fear all parents will have, was there anything about the neighborhood that would have

given a parent pause, saying, you know what? i don't want my child walking alone in this neighborhood? or would you have felt comfortable and completely safe in this neighborhood? >> this is a neighborhood that is one of the safest neighborhoods in new york crime is almost nonexistent in this neighborhood. so there would have been no reason to give the child some independence. in fact, that's what he wanted. he was waiting for the moment to be a bit free, to meet his mother two or three blocks away. there were people in the street. this was 5:00 in the afternoon on a sunny, warm, summer day. people were out in the streets everywhere. so there would have been -- we don't want to scare people. we don't want to tell people don't let your child walk more than 25 feet from the house.

i think every parent has to make those kinds of decisions, but in this particular case, there is no crime. there would have been no reason to be concerned with regard to this child walking a block or two. needless to say, the mother, you know, who now has lost her child, the child would come home with the bus every single day, go with a bus, she thinks, god, what did i do? >> it's the tough part of this story. you can't imagine what she's going through because of that decision. like you said, he just wanted a little independence, hopefully this won't change, or maybe it should -- do you think it would change people's attitudes in the neighborhood? maybe they'll start to look at some people in the neighborhood they don't know as well with a little more suspicion?

maybe people won't be letting their kids out and the neighborhoods won't look the same? are you concerned the neighbor will change in some way? and not be the community it used to be? >> i think it will remain the wonderful and beautiful community it is, but no question it's a wake-up call for every single family. this is the only thing people are talking about, the only thing people are leaving. people are not sleeping. my own daughter, who has five kids, her daughter who is 8 years old, came home yesterday and asked her mother, mommy, i -- i heard these different stories about this child, you know, how do parents deal with their own children in terms of explaining what happened here? children know everything. they're smart. i think one of the things that's definitely happen in my neighborhood and should happen everywhere to protect our children, kids have to be street

smarts. we have to teach them, talk to them. when you meet someone, borough park is a largely hasidic orthodox neighborhood. most people have beards and side curls. often kids will trust someone who looks like their father or like their friends or like their teachers, and say, this guy must be safe, he looks like my father. >> yeah. >> i think that is not the case, never should have been the case, you've got to be very, very careful, you've got to teach and talked to your kids. >> it's an unfortunate, unfortunate reminder here, but still for a lot of parents a reminder. teach them the best you can. dov hiken, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. more news still unfolding right now, so let's go. take a look at this first.

they're running to something. runs of people camped out overnight, then raced this morning for vouchers to subsidize their rent. the problem turned into that way more people showed up than the number of vouchers that were available. crowd estimates close to 5,000. some people say law enforcement threatened people with mace, now there's complaints of poor organization. >> the laud said they were going to mace. we're not going to mace, the line is on the other side. >> i think it was really unorganized, because a lot of people that were here first really ended up at the end because they couldn't run fast enough. >> officials say they processed 4,000 to 5,000 applicants today, but only 3,800 are available over the next few years. also breaking today, a judge

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of being able to bring down the economy for political gain. jessica yellin, always good to see you. is that the tone they're walking in there with now? is that the atmosphere of the talks? >> reporter: there's no seek counter ed that yesterday's meeting broke up with tension. now from the white house's point of view, at least, the question is, they walk into this meeting with a big uncertainty about whether republicans will put on the table a willingness to talk about revenue, which for the president has been an absolute must. or will republicans give up this demand that for every dollar the debt ceiling must be raised, $1 in spending must be cut. for the white house and the democrats, that's the big question. republicans have expressed equal frustration with a lack of progress in these talks, so there's a big question mark, will there be any progress today? >> jessica, it called my

attention when i saw the headline earlier that said there was a friday deadline. wait? what? a deadline for what? if not, then they have to move on to other options. so what else is out there? the white house hasn't spelled it out, but essentially there are other ways to raise the debt ceiling without this exact process going on, and one of the concepts floating out there is these discussions going on between the two leaders in the senate, not the house, but the senate, that would raise the debt ceiling with some combination of the white house, the treasury making a request, some kind of deficit commission, some kind of cuts. it's complicated. maybe it would be done. >> one other thing, the

president reportedly said, hey, if you take me to a point i'll go to the american people and make my sell and my pitch. what is the president hinting at? do we have any more details on what he has in mind? >> reporter: what i think this is referring to is he's done a series of interviews with affiliates, local television channels around the country. we don't have the interview transcripts, but i wouldn't be surprised if we see him saying in those interviews why it's so important that the debt ceiling be raised, and maybe what we've heard him say to date, playing politics with this issue is not good for the american people, that it's maybe washington at its worst, essentially making the case that all leaders should step up to the plate and be leaders and not plate for their own political gain on this issue. he's drawn a line in the sand on this. >> jessica, we appreciate you as always. something we haven't yet seen,

should the government default on its debts? today we're hearing from jeffrey immelt, the ceo of general electric. he sat down with cnn's poppy harlow. take a listen. >> i want to ask people, think about a small business person who really do create a lot of jobs in this country. they're petrified right now. >> reporter: what are they scared of? >> what happens if the government doesn't roll over its debt? why would you invest into that? >> poppy jones me from new york. am i hearing him right, hey, the big companies like mine, we'll be all right, but the little ones have it bad right now. >> you're hearing it right. t.j., not only is he the head of ge, but he's also the president's right-hand man on jobs. what he's saying is, look, companies like ge that have

hundreds of billions of cash and are global companies, ge has 60% of its workforce outside the u.s. they can get thus things. small businesses cannot get through this. let's not forget these small businesses employ more than half of americans. you just heard jessica saying the president is making a plea to the american people, many of them small business owners or employees talking about directly about what not reaching an agreement would mean to them. he's saying this is an issue for you, the small business owner out there. how are you going to have faith in the u.s. government, the full faith and credit of the u.s. government when it can't pay its debt? t.j.? >> poppy action some would say the business leaders like him and sores, maybe they could make a better pitch to the american people why this needs to get done. they could put a face on it, if

you will, but some of the largest corporations, they've got business before congress, you don't want to upset the folks you're lobbying on capitol hill, do you? >> that's a great question. i tried. i said, look, bernanke said yesterday it would be cat trophic if we don't see an agreement. and what do you think? he said, i'm going to leave that to lawmakers. i want to play you a bit of sound from our interview on what he said when it comes to getting legislators to come to some sort of compromise, some sort of agreement on this. here's his is answer. >> legislators legislate. this is what -- they need to come together. this is what they're supposed to do, is legislate. i just think we need that kind of leadership. >> what we pay them to do, and we're in a jobs crisis. if we don't see a deal by august 2nd, what happens to jobs? >> again, i just think -- i'm going to stay focused on ge. we're going to keep powering

through, but i think at the end of the day these people have to get a deal done. >> at the end of the day these people have to get a deal done. he sells it boiled down to confidence and the lack of confidence. the lack of confidence they have right now, each and every day that a deal doesn't get done in washington. that confidence falls. that's a fact no matter who you ask on main street or in the corner office. a man who not only leads one of the biggest businesses in the world, also now the right-hand man to the president on jobs. interesting to see as we asplotch that deadline if we see more business leaders push the administration and congress one way on this. >> poppy, good stuff. thank you very much. order! order! order! order! >> well, will this be the kind of reception that rupert murdoch will get next week? it's now been confirmed the media mogul will sit in the hot

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hacked the phones of crime victims in the uk. another u.s. lawmaker is calling for a house investigation into murdoch. that's bruce braillie. do you have any information to lead you to believe that phones of american citizens were hacked? >> t.j., i recently visited ground zero, where the twin towers fell we have enough information based on the reports that if there's a possibility of 9 l 11 victims were hacked, that's definitely a serious violation of federal law and something we have to investigator, which is why i called on the chairman, darrell issa, to begin such investigations. >> it has been reported that some of the possible victims of

the hacking, they were going after 9/11 victims, but folks who were british citizens. does that make a difference to you one way or another, even if the folks were 9/11 victims? but british citizens versus american citizens, you still want to find out? >> we do. we don't know where those intercepts occurred. we don't know if they occurred on u.s. soil. we don't know what the full range of the involvement is, and whether any of that effort took place in the united states. plus there are also federal criminal penalties for attempting to engage in corrupt activities on behalf of u.s. businesses with official representatives from other countries. so because of the uncertainly nature of these allegations, i am certainly not rushing to judgment against new comp, but i think it's important for the american people to get to the bottom of this and find out what was going on. >> congressman, we hear now the fbi is going to be looking into it. we talk about a possible

investigation by the attorney general, maybe a couple committees up there on the hill. i guess, who should -- what's the difference between all of these investigations? should they all be looking into it? >> it often depends on what's under investigation. if it involves domestic spying, part of the charges that could be involved, certainly the fbi investigation requested by my friend peter king, republican from new york, and chair of the homeland security committee, that is an appropriate use of federal resources. but there are other implications in terms of what was going on. that's why the house oversight committee that i serve has very broad jurisdiction to look into the possibility of wrongdoing that could violate federal law. that's why i've requested that we take action independently of what the fbi may be undertailing.

new corp certainly crosses the pond here. are you just trying to look into the british operations of this huge empire, or would you like to look into some of the u.s. holdings of rupert murdoch as well, some of the media outlets here based in the u.s. to see if they maybe tried to do some of the same practices they're accused of doing over in the uk? >> my number one priority is to protect u.s. citizens from violations of the law by anyone, especially a business head quartered here in the united states. that should be the focal point of this investigation, not to engage in some political witchhunt, but get to the bottom, find the facts, allow for due process, but get to the truth of what happened and whether it is rights of u.s. citizens were violated. >> again, on that question, are you just focusing on what it appears that british journalists are doing, or are you-looking --

he has u.s. holdings, journal, fox news, whatever else it may be. those accusations are not there at this point. are you wantic to expand and look into some of those u.s. holdings? >> as you know from your network, t.j. -- >> yes, sir. >> -- this is a worldwide media marketplace. that's what makes this challenge so significant. what may be happening in great britain that's part of an ongoing news operation, or within employees employed by this group certainly can have implications here that's why i have to put the pieces together. >> congressman braley, thank you so much. >> looking forward to it. thanks, t.j. we have been practicing what i called reverse robin hood for eight years. nobody remembers that. >> i think we'll have to extend the space shuttle to retrieve that thought process, it got so

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we bring in gloria borger. gloria, good to see you, as always. listen to some of the stuff they're saying. >> it's time for leader kantor to make some concessions. >> at least recognizes the urgent need. leader kantor has yet to make a

constructive contribution to these discussions. more than anything else, he is holding up an agreement at this point. >> they will tell you they believe that they believe before their very eyes. you know, at the start of these talks, t.j., it was the president of the united states trying to strike a deal with speaker boehner. that didn't work out. now i'm told that the verbal one from the republican side is in fact eric contactor. he's been kind of quiet.

when you talk to senate republicans, we would say we would vote for some of these, but the house republicans won't do it. figuring out whether trar votes are. >> we saw a moment where they almost hugged each other. >> they did. >> you know what? when they hug each other in public, you know they're not hugging each other in private. 234 talking to one senior at mrgs official, he said we're

watching the tail walking the dog. so it's a little more difficult when they're not your guys to begin with. they're all trying to figure out right now how to deal with each other. >> we are told the meeting was supposed to star about 20 minutes minutesal it's so-called revenue neutral, for say reducing the payroll tax cut, that's top of the agenda today. >> gloria, good to see you, as always. also coming up.

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broadband testified before congress yesterday. let me bring in alison kosik. that was yesterday. today a bit of a different story. >> what a difference a day makes. yeah. how big of a difference are we talking about here? >> a big difference. >> fed chief ben bernanke was back on capitol hill for day 2. he sounded a more cautious tone. he said today that the fed is not prepared at this point to do anything, so traders called it back pedaling from what appeared to be a more aggressive stance

yesterday. we saw stocks pop on that news yesterday, but the reamity check put stocks in the negative column today. t.j.? >> all right. let's turn to minnesota. we know some 20,000 employees, government employees have been affected by this government shut down. services have been cut to places that take care of the homeless and children, but the thing that might get a deal done is when the shutdown impacts people who like their beer. explain. >> yeah. go figure. if you want a cold one in minnesota, you'll have fewer choices. 39 brands are being pulled from every store, every restaurant, every bar in minnesota. i'm talking about coors, miller, foster, blue moon, all because of the minnesota shutdown. the government's shut down there. miller coors didn't get its licensing renewed in time before the government shut down.

what had to happen is the label on each brand of beer has to be registered with the state. the company actually put the application in, but the government shut down the next day. you know, we're chuckling about this, this is kind of funny, but it's a real big deal for small businesses in minnesota. it's holding back the beer, certainly ends the budget stalemate, i'll go for that. >> since this news has come out, we got the news from the governor that he will accept some of the compromises from the republicans. >> maybe it was over a beer summit. >> maybe. i'm asking for copies of hard drives, as well as the copies of the vid i don't tapes released. >> you won't believe -- the man

was acting as his own attorney of raping young boys and videotaping the attacks. now he's watches those videos behind bars because of a legal loophole. sun,hostin will unleash on this case, after the break.

you're not going to believe this one. an inmate in washington state can watch child important while in jail. sunny hostin is on this case for us. this is one of those stories that everybody is just crashing their head. the guy is weldon mark gilbert. he's in jail in washington state accused of raping young boys. let's listen to him, and then i'll bring you in. >> i'm asking for both the copies of the hard drives as well as the copies of the

videotapes to be released. >> we don't like it. so the fix here is to change the law. >> okay. sunny, follow the law. what is it in the law that allows an accused a child rapist to be in jail watching the videos he allegedly made. >> yeah, well, this is in washington state. there's a supreme court decision that says a defense team can look at all the evidence that is going to be used against that team. typically it's a defense attorney, right? that looks at the evidence in preparation for a trial, in preparation to defend his or her client. in this particular case, this defend decides to represent himself. that is why we are in the position that we are in defending himself. the evidence against him is the

very porn he's looking to see. >> sunny, that's not right. >> i know. certainly it's not something, a fact situation that i think the law contemplated. i think it's the right thing that prosecutors have to give over, but this particular fact situation is something i don't think was considered, t.j. >> let's listen to how law enforcement feels about this. >> make no mistake, i don't like it, about you it's not my choice whether to do it or not to do it. there's no question i don't like it. there's no question it makes me grind my teeth.

stimplgts what do you do? do you change the law? >> it's a good thing that a prosecutor has to turn over the evidence that a prosecutor will use against one. i think what is being done is appropriate in the sense there are parameters that are put in place. i don't want our viewers thinking he's sitting in his jail cell looking at pornography. he's in a viewing room in full sight. he has a defense investigator in the room with him, and he's not watching it all day every day but changing the law i'm not sure will happen here. >> might just be one of those cases that comes along, we might never see this again, so certainly just rubs some people the wrong way. sunny hostin, good to see you as always. thank you so much. we're leaving this area.

there's gunfire all around us, so we are rushing out of this area. >> cnn's ben wedeman and his crew caught in the middle in libya. you will see this play out, next. kids' wet skin. new neutrogena® wet skin kids. ordinary sunblock drips and whitens. neutrogena® wet skin cuts through water. forms a broad spectrum barrier for full strength sun protection. wet skin. neutrogena®.

all right. this is dramatic new video out of libya, where our own crew, including ben wedeman, got caught in the middle of crossfire between gadhafi loyalists and rebels. take a look and listen. >> wait, wait, wait. wait! >> we're leaving this area. there's gunfire all around us. >> we are rushing out of this area. >> we can report to you that

everyone made it out safely. again close to the top of the hour. almost tyke for the sit room with wolf blitzer. we joins us with a preview. >> we're going to check in with ben wedeman to see what's going on this day after that dramatic shot. mary rogers, or photographer there, that was a scary, close call, t.j., as you know. we'll have all of that news, what's happening with rupert murdoch's empire, the fbi as you know, launching a formal investigation, initial probe into any of the allegations that some of the 9/11 victims and their families had their phones hacked, if you will. also a special interview with the chairman of is the house budget committee, paul ryan, on what's going on with the debt ceiling negotiations. and even as we speak, the negotiations are under way over at the white house. another day of talks, the stakes, t.j., enormous right

now. we're all over that story as well. >> wolf blitzer, we will see you here in about seven minutes. thanks so much. we were showing you video of a guy who was in a bit of a situation. went to work today and got stuck a few stories up. he was a window washer who had to be rescued. he had a harness. he was caught, but still stuck. fire fighters were trying to reach him, but they ended up having to -- this is video i'm told of him actually making it down. so he probably wasn't relieved until feet got on solid ground. yeah, a window washer. this was in seattle, but he made it down. looks like he's doing already. we'll see if he shows up for work tomorrow. the white house, press secretary and reporters in a bit of a tiff. find out what jay carney asked them not to do. plus, just a couple hours from now, lawmakers will square

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let's say hello to joe johns. joe, this will get some people's attention. the white house upset with reporters for asking questions. >> i know. it's like men bites dog, right? this story is about access to

the president during the time of a big story, which would be the debt limit negotiations. tv cameras were not allowed in to take pictures at the top of the debt limit meetings yesterday. still cameras allowed in, but not tv cameras. the press secretary says it's because of the circus atmosphere created by reporters asking questions. listen to what jay carney said. >> i would remind you the last time tv cameras were in the meeting it was less than three hours and people shouted questions at him, including people who had just had questions in the press conference. the main purpose is not to create a circus, but to negotiate. so today we're doing stills only. >> are you telling us we can't ask questions -- >> i'm not saying that's correct chip. you had questions that day, and he took 70 minutes of questions the day before. >> all right. so -- which led us to ask, okay,

just how bad really was this media circus jay carney was talking about? here's the videotape of that. >> this is the same shot you had yesterday, except we're wearing ties today. all right? thank you very much. thank you very much. thank you very much. >> okay. media circus or not, you tell me. you don't have to answer that, t.j. i don't want an opinion. >> oh, the humanity. my goodness, you can't get those people under control. >> i know. >> they practically rushed the congressmen and women. >> poor president obama. >> stop it. stop it. >> the white house says it's not the president who says the cameras can't come in, but no idea whose it was to exclude the cameras. by the way, the president is not the first president to get these kind of questions. it's a time-honored tradition.

>> it happens. if he just answered an hour and a half of questions, as he's walking away, another question will be asked. that's just how it goes. can i call this another partisan event in d.c.? >> it's a bipartisan event. >> bipartisan. >>e great. it goes back to 1909. this is the annual congressional baseball game. this i think is video from maybe a couple years ago. they dress up in whatever uniform they want. if you're the congressman from cincinnati, neighbor you wear a cincinnati reds uniform or whatever. so it's a bit of this, a bit of that. democrats versus republicans for charity. it's at nationals park in d.c., which of course is our professional baseball park, an the money goes to a good cause. literary council and boys and girls club. who says they can't get together sometimes. >> and tell me where they