cnn newsroom continues nowith randi kaye. no one knows for sure what will happen innocent u.s. government suddenly and for the first time can't pay all its debts and obligations, this much we know that day is just eight days aunless, of course, congress and the white house can agree on a measure that used to be routine, a hike in the debt limit now just under 14.3 trillion. we actually hit that limit in may, but the treasury says the consequences start august 2nd. house and senate leaders and president obama agree on the short-term need to borrow more but they also agree on a long-term plan to borrow less that is still the hangup, having given up on one-on-one talks with the president, house speaker boehner is said to be work a plan that would raise the debt controlling a little bit now, more in 2012. that increase supposedly to would be tied ton-to-an overhaul of the tax code, entitlements, social security and medicare n senate, majority leader reid is

expected to roll out a plan to cut spending by $2.7 trillion while raising the debt by 274 trillion. reid's plan would not include tax increases which republicans refuse to consider nor would it touch entitlements. my colleague, dan lothian is watching it all from his post at the white house. dan, what is the president's position first on raising the debt in installments? >> reporter: he want it is to go through 2012 and there is a sense at the white house and treasury department in particular even if you had some sort of short-term fix that raises the debt ceiling through the rest of this year, that it still may not be enough to cam the jilters of the financial markets, still may not be enough to security aaa credit rating that the u.s. currently has. tt markets, still may not be enough to security aaa credit rating that the u.s. currently has. that is the first concern.

secondly, it has been so difficult to get a deal now the white house points out how much more difficult will this be to get it do for 2012 when you are in the midst of this election cycle? that is why the president says any deal you have has to go through 2012? >> the president has cancelled a couple of fund raising event as much as that to pay more attention to what's happening with the debt ceiling talks? >> it reallyst really a sense of urgency here, and not just today, that way for the past couple of weeks but the president was supposed to be at this -- two fund-raisers in the d.c. area and he has pulled out, instead, vice president biden will be taking his place. now, as far as we know, there are no other meetings that will taking place on this subject today. i was told it is a fluid situation. i won't be surprised if the

president steps out and makes remarks. he is speaking to latino group, la raza, and a few minutes ago he talked about this impasse and how it is critical for wealthy americans to step up to the plate if you will, and cop tribute, this in the form of higher taxes, something that republicans pushing back on but the president it should be wealthy americans carrying the burden here, not middle class and poorer americans. >> all rice on august 2nd, but the house saying they have to pass something today in order to vote on it by wednesday. the gop is saying that. how does the president -- how does the white house feel about this timeline? >> i think what the gop has been saying is they need to get something passed, some bill passed by wednesday but they need to post something online by today. and i think that's timeline. no one really wants to get locked into a timeline here at

the white house because then everyone will keep saying, well, you know, you said this day and something didn't happen by that day, what happens next? but that's the timeline that according to gop sources john boehner laid out two-to-republicans during a conference call yesterday. as you pointed out, both republicans and democrats have these plans, they still don't appear, at least from the outside, to have enough compromise for there to be bipartisan agreement on either one of these but certainly, there's a hope that they can find some kind of agreement and have this done in short order, because as secretary timothy geithner pointed out yesterday on "state of the union" on cnn, they are running out of runway. >> any more negotiating sessions on the schedule as far as you know? >> as far as we know, no additional negotiation sessions there are still talks ongoing behind the scenes, so there is work that is being done, perhaps even phone calls happening here from the white house. the white house has not been

quick to read out every detail, phone call that has been made. the talks are ongoing, in terms of anything on the schedule at this point, nothing yet. >> dan lothian watching it from your post at the white house. dan, thank you. the debt ceiling standoff is equal parts money and politics, late they are hour, cnn's christine romans will break document politics that have led us to the brink of default, 20 past the hour right here in the cnn newsroom. to new york now, where it is far from clear whether the sexual asauce sault case against dominique strauss-kahn will ever go to trial. we should know more a week from today when the former head of international monetary fund goes took court but you recall his last hearing came with a bombshell admission from prosecutors that the alleged victim may be less than credible. she is a hotel maid from guinea, who like most alleged victims of sexual assault, has not been named in media, till now. our sound effect is nafi diallo

going public with her side of what happened in the hotel room. she spoke with abc news and "newsweek" magazine. >> i was like stop, stop this, stop this he won't say nothing. he keep pushing me, pushing me, pushing me to the hall way, back to the hallway. keep pushing me. i was so afraid. i was so scared. >> when did you realize that he was one of the most powerful men in the world? >> i was watching in the news and then they say he is going to be the next president of france. and i said, oh my god and i was crying. i said, they are gonna kill me. i said they are gonna kill me. i'm going to die. >> by way of response, strauss-kahn's attorneys called dey'all locker and i quote earthquake the first accuser in history to conduct a media campaign to persuade a prosecutor to pursue charges against a person from whom she wants money that is a reference to diallo's apparent maps to sue

strauss-kahn for damages. other top stories we are following, it looks like there mr. will be a pro football san after all, the national football league and negotiators for its players have agree old a new labor deal ending a lockout that began in march. the nfl says players are expected to approve the ten-year deal in a vote today that would open the way for formal practice to start this week with preseason games starting on august 11th, and regular season kicking off on september 8th. monger to oar thing, the new deal includes a salary cap of $142.4 million per team this year. owners approved the agreement last week. in italy, forensic experts are raising doubts about dna evidence that helped convict american amanda knox of murder. the two italian experts testified today that the investigators who collected the dna evidence made serious mistakes, including using a dirty glove and not wearing caps. they also said they could find no dna evidence on the murder weapon. meredith care mucher was found dead four years ago. prosecutors claim she was killed

by amanda knox and her italian boyfriend in a sex game. both knox and her boyfriend have denied wrongdoing and are appealing their prison sentences. in los angeles, a pretrial hearing today for michael jackson's former doctor, dr. conrad murray. murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter jackson's death two years ago. at issue today, a motion by sony pictures entertainment, which distributed the jackson documentary "this is it." sony wants the judge to block plans to show outtakes from the film during the trial saying this would reduce the value of the footage. in alaska, seven teenaged boys taking part in a wilderness education program were attack and mauled by a brown bear and her cub. one of the boys is seen in these pictures. officials say two of the boys suffered life-threatening injury, two more in serious condition now and three others suffered minor injuries. it happened saturday as they crossed a river. the boys were involved in a national outdoor leadership school program. the student also reached the point where they spend several

days on their own practicing the wilderness skills learned earlier in the 30-day program. as police search for more victim us in nor wake the man accused of orchestrating friday's attacks claim he is didn't work alone. we take you live to norway for his shocking confession and the latest on the death toll. [ male announcer ] megared omega-3 krill oil from schiff.

unlike fish oil, megared softgels are small and easy to swallow with no fishy smell or aftertaste. try megared today. police in norway are still scouring utoya island for victims in what has become the worst attack to its country since world war ii. they are revising the death toll from friday's bombing and shooting. we will get an update on that in just a moment. in the mean time, the self-confessed man behind the massacre,er ands bering breivik

appeared in court today, he admitted masterminding the attacks and told the judge he worked with two other cells saying it was necessary to prevent the colonization by norway. it comes as norway paused for a moment of silence, grieving over friday's bombing in oz low and the shooting rampage at a political youth retreat just 20 miles away. cnn's diana mag nasa in norway, live from utoya island, where the shootings took place. we are hearing there are fewer victim than previously estimated, good news in this who are risk event. what is the latest number from police? >> very good news, randi, but very surprise and the police haven't explained why they came to the number they did initially. let's just listen to what the police commissioner had to say about the latest numbers. here's what he said. >> translator: after all the

bodies are brought from utoya, the final count is 68. we are now combing through the eye land to make sure there is no left people on the island and also searching in the fjords. >> reporter: there are around 50 police still searching the island. they are mostly looking for sort of technical evidence, for example, ammunition, to find out how breivik did what he did and get clues whether there were accomplices who could have provided him with the ammunition or helped him in this horrific killing spree. we have actually just been talking to a red cross search and rescue officer who is leading the red cross' contribution to the effort. they are doing a lot of the combing of the fjords along with the fire brigade and they are really trying to explore a huge expanse of water. you know that fjord behind me 300 meters deep. and the islands around it and the huge shore lines all have to

be combed to see if there's any evidence or any remains of those children, really, who lost their live there is, randi. >> in the days since this attack on the people there in oslo, in norw norway, what more have we learned about breivik? >> reporter: well, quite a lot, because we have now in the public dedoe main this manifesto, which is believed to be his writing and this is a very long document, 1500 pages, apparently he wrote it over nine years. it is a manifesto really outlining his extreme right-wing thinking, his belief that europe has been colonized by muslims, his belief that european leaders are to blame for having allowed what he phrases as european genocide to happen and that is probably why he targeted the ruling labor party in the way that he did, not just with that explosion in central oslo, but also going after the labor party youth camp on utoya, really

taking out the future leadership. and this manifesto suspect just outlining his views, also a kind of manual, a how-to guide for anyone who wants to follow his lead, so in that document, he explains, for example, how to buy farms so you can acquire fertilizer, to make bombs, where to get ammunition, guns from, a terrifying insight into the man who commit these atrocity. >> diana mag neigh for us, thank you. taxes on airline tickets have expired but don't expect a cheaper flight. we will explain why next. ♪ ♪ you are my sunshine ♪ my only sunshine ♪ you makes me happy ♪ when skies are grey

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the faa is partially shutdown after congress failed to reauthorize the agency's funding on friday. that means several federal taxes on airline strict expired n some cases though, this does not mean you are getting away with a cheaper flight. cnn's senior correspondent allan chernoff is at the new york stock exchange. they respect collecting taxes on ticket nous? >> they haven't been doing that since friday you would think we are saving money but most cases it isn't happening. even though the government isn't collecting taxes, many carriers respect passing on the savings. they have raised fares by the aim same amount of the tax, add that to the baggage fees, fuel surcharges and airlines are doing whatever they can to boost their revenues. randy? >> so what about people who bought their tickets week he is ago and they paid the taxes will they get a refund on these

taxes? >> in theory, yes, that's according to the treasury department and this would be about $30 on a $300 domestic ticket. the government is still working out the details of how a refund process would actually work the money should come from the airlines but we should also point out that not all the carriers raised their fares. virgin america and alaska airlines are touting the savings as a tax holiday. in fact, virgin has a very pretty promotion called evade taxes, take flight. >> very creative, as always. what else is being affected, allan by the shutdown? what about the workers? >> that's the realism. pact. 4,000 faa workers are on furlough, they are not receiving pay. also, $2.5 billion in airport construction projects are on hold right now and that is hitting both public and private sector workers.

randi? >> allan chernoff, thank you very much for the update. in washington, dealt talks collapsed again over the weekend as democrats and republicans walked away from the negotiating table to write their own separate plans. lawmakers have had months to sort out the problem built august 2nd deadline looms a short eight days away and there is still no deal in sight. christine romans explains how we got to this point. >> reporter: with the deadline to raise the debt ceiling now only eight days away, we wanted to show you how we got to this point. on may 16th, the u.s. government hits the debt ceiling at $14.294 trillion. the treasury department taps other source for the government to cover its bills. treasury secretary geithner tells congress it has until august 2nd to raise the debt controlling or face default. now in may, vice president biden leaves bipartisan talks with congressional lawmakers, but in june, those talks break down over republicans' insistence that there be no tax hike wits spending cuts. now, july sees the president get

directly involved in talks of congressional leaders, holding secret meetings and working directly with speaker of the house john boehner to reach a deal. now, on july 22nd, speaker boehner breaks off talks with the president amid disagreements on taxes and entitlement programs. over the weekend, the president continued talks with congressional leader bus little progress was made. the bottom line, washington has had moments to figure this out, but hasn't been able to reach a deal. christine roman, cnn, new york. >> and be sure to join christine romans for your bottom line and ali velshi. it is about 21 minutes past the hour, let's check out some of our top stories. the dealt ceiling crisis is turning into a real cliff hanger, talks stall over the weekend. now, democrats and republicans are work october separate plans. president obama cancelled two fund-raising appearances today to focus on the talks. are you ready for some football? nfl owners and negotiators for

the players have aground a new labor deal according to nfl.com. players are expected to give their formal approval today, clearing the way for preseason training to start this week. an autopsy is scheduled today for singer/songwriter amy winehouse, found dead in her london apartment on saturday at the age of 27. the five-time grammy-award-winning artist was acclaimed for her talent but notorious for her erratic public behavior n ten minutes, we will talk much more about drug addiction with jane velez-mitchell and rock star johnny colt. jury selection is under way in the warn jeffs trial, he is the polygamist sect leader accused of sexually assaulting a child. we will have a live report from texas.

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jury selection has started in the trial of polygamist leader warren jeffs, charged with sexual assaulted on a child and bigamy. police arrested jeffs after raid on the ranch run by his church

in 2008. the fundamentalist chur of jesus christ of latter day saint saints is a breakaway sect of the mormon church. gary tuchman is here to talk about this. these are the most serious charges in terms of this trial he has ever faced. >> the most tearious charges, the viewers heard about warren jeffs a long time, on the fbi ten most wanted list, he was convicted in utah of a less serious charge but overturned because of faulty jury instructions. arizona dropped their charges because arizona convicted him no longer valid, now, very serious charges two charges of sexual assault against two girls 12 and 13 years old, jeffs accused of having relationships and a baby with the 13-year-old. very serious. what is interesting, ton knot an attack on religious, pro what prosecutors say, prosecution based on a man had he say sexually molests children. listen. >> the issue for the people of the jury to consider is whether

or not warn jeffs sexually assaulted a minor. we already have five convictions and two other people who pled guilty for similar crimes, similar activity out at the ranch. we believe that we will be able to prove that warren jeffs is just another one to assaulted a minor. in the state of texas if you assault a minor, sex assault a minor, you will be convicted and sent to prison. we hope the same will contain to warn jeffs. >> what is fascinating, gary, thousands believe's prophet and they stand by him, right? >> i have talked to but this for years, you and i brown is friends for 30 or 40 years. >> at least. >> a long time. he has at least 10,000 followers. this is the largest polygamist second second in the united states of america, north america. when i go to these communeity, arizona, utah, colorado, british columbia, texas, we talk to people they love this man, they believe's prophet to god, he is god's spokesman on earth and most of them will never do

anything to hurt them. and no matter what he does it is okay with his most fervent followers. >> how much activity does he still have in terms -- with the sect? is he still preaching to them? >> amazing. he has been in jail for five years, been in three -- four different jail cells three different states. right now, he spends thousands of dollars a month on calling cards answered delivers his sermons from inside the jail and he is leading the church and his followers sit inside churches and homes in utah, arizona, colorado, they believe they are hearing the word from god, from this man, accused of being so cruel and terrible to children. >> so if he is convicted, how many years is he facing? >> he faces i the possibility of life in prison, convicted in the state of texas this could put him away for ever. >> have you tried talk with him? >> i have tried to talk with him before. he does not tuck to infidels, i'm beneath him so are most people. >> i would beg differ with that. >> thank you, ran day, i appreciate that. that is the the fact, he's not done any interviews. he believes if you don't believe

what he believes, you are beneath him and not worth being talked to. >> fascinating so interesting to see this trial get under way. i know you will be following it for us, gary, appreciate t even though warren jeffs has been in jail, he and his church are still gaining power, new developments in the case may have many scratching their heads. turn into anderson cooper 360 for the full story by gary tuchman tonight at 10 p.m. eastern and a cnn special you don't want to miss sunday night about polygamy, three amazing stories, one show, 8 p.m. eastern sunday right here on cnn. michael jackson's family made a huge announcement today, we will give you the details, right after this. that helplessness again.l [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. talk to your doctor, and take care of what you have to take care of. -why? -why? -why? [ female announcer ] we all age differently. roc® multi-correxion 4 zone moisturizer with roc®retinol and antioxidants. lines, wrinkles, and sun damage will fade. roc multi-correxion.

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let's check out some of the news and other headlines you may have missed. debt ceiling crisis is turning into a real cliff hanger. have you noticed? talks stalled over the weekend, now democrats and republicans are working on separate plans which they plan to unveil today. president obama canceled two fund-raising appearances today to focus on the talks. lawmakers have until the august 2nd deadline to reach a deal. are you ready for football season in the national football league and negotiators for play airs griped a new labor deal ending a lockout that began in march. the nfl says players are expected to approve the ten-year deal in a vote today that would open the way for formal practice to start this week with preseason games starting august 11th and regular season kicking off on september 8th among other things, the new deal includes a salary cap of 142.4 million

dollars per team this year. owners approved the agreement last week. the suspect in the deadliest attack in norway since world war ii has acknowledged carrying out the mass shooting and bombing and claims to have worked with two other cells, a judge said today. judge kim hager says the suspect,er ands behring breivik acknowledges carrying out the attacks but says it was necessary to prevent the "colonization of the country by muslims." he accused the labor party, whose members were the target of the shooting. forensic experts are raising doubts about dna evidence that helped convict american amanda knox of murder. the two italian experts testified today that the the investigators who collected the dna evidence made serious mistakes, including using a dirty glove and not wearing caps. they said there was no dna evidence on the murder weapon. prosecutorses claim she was killed by knox and her italian boyfriend in a sex game. both knox and her boyfriend have denied wrongdoing and are appealing their prison terms.

michael jackson's mother and four of her children called a news conference in beverly hills earlier today to announce a concert "in honor of one of the greatest and most loved entertainers of our time" presumably, that means michael jackson. the show is to be produced in london by a british company a news release says it will feature the world's most amazing music performers. two days after her body was found, an autopsy tries to determine what killed amy winehouse. the latest on the five-time grammy winner, next.

♪ go to rehab, i said no no, no ♪ ♪ yes, i've been back >> five-time grammy winner amy winehouse in her hit video "rehab" from 2007. the 27-year-old singer was found dead on saturday and there are a whole lot of questions and theories about what killed her. today the first steps toward an official answer as an autopsy is performed. joining me now, founding member of the black crowes, johnny colt, and cnn senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen, they are here with me in studio and from new york, jane velez-mitche velez-mitchell, host of "issues" with jane velez-mitchell and

author of "addict nation" an intervention with america. let me start with you what is the latest in terms of autopsy? >> we are expecting those results either later this afternoon or this evening and autopsy results don't necessarily tell you, oh, someone took this drug, this drug and this drug, you often have to wait for toxicology once they have done all the blood work it is unclear what we will learn later today. >> what goes into that? how long might we know definitively what exactly happened to her or what might be in her system? >> right it can take several weeks. >> okay. johnny, i know you are a former musician, you have celebrated 15 years of sobriety. what is your reaction first to the death of her? >> first of all, for me, it's incredibly sad because she is a real talent. they would say a powerhouse talent. she is great. but this is just another of the many musicians that i've known in my own lifetime that passed away i 27 seems to be a pretty difficult year for musicians in general, jim morrison, so forth. >> how did you manage to get through it?

>> just -- my wife was the biggest part of it you know, support, community, but just wanted it i just didn't want my personal story -- you know, rock 'n' roll is something where you invent your own path and i just wanted to have a story that wasn't a cliche, you know? and that's what i found myself in was living a cliche, as at the time, a total drug addict playing music. accident feel like an artist either, i felt i had given up on my art. >> if you ask doctors what will get someone out of drug addiction, they will say that the will to do it. >> like to ask jane, bring you in from new york, you are also a former addict did amy winehouse simply have an addictive person eighth, do you think? >> first of all, this is a horrible tragedy, my heart goes doubt her family but i think our song said it all, "they tried make me go to re, what i said no, no, no." ing she epitomized the defiance of the addict and her whole persona was into that. she was in a mind. showed it change. the only thing that has to change serving, she said.

her whole persona was really celebrating the i'm gonna do it my way defiance of the addict and the strut that addiction always wins, like the house in vega, the house always wins. so, really what's of sob by sit an attitude adjustment and it seems she couldn't quite make that attitude adjustment she did go to rehab at least four times but she was a chronic relapser, she went as recently as this past may and then in june, when she was doing her world tour, she appeared on stage apparently intoxicate and had had to cancel that tour so she tried but she just couldn't make that change. >> and johnny, you want to weigh in here? >> i think she makes a great point, it was rehab, an attitude change, she won more grammys than any artist in british history, any female art nist british history because of "rehab", a whole change of persona, a frightening thing to be defined defined herself by success, 27, young people do be successful, have to change her entire career from the ground up, a frightening concept, rehab

is one thing but it takes years to get that attitude adjustment. for her to be walking back on stage that quickly after her fourth rehab attempt makes a test tonight the people around her, makers had difficult, a popular singer who makes money, you are basically a race horse and how you are treated by the people around you. >> so elizabeth, how often do cored a dicks like wine house recover? >> 2 million americans spend some time in a treatment facility for drugs or alcohol and there aren't -- there isn't fabulous research that tells you exactly what the success rate is, but it's very clear than fortunately there's a reasonable chance that after a estimate in rehab, that you will not come out clean. you know earthquake it's not like any other disease necessarily, i mean, you would hope that the treatment would work, but as we can see here it doesn't always work. one round of rehab will work great for some people but other people like her where it takes -- not about the treatment so much as in that person's heart and mind. >> i think a couple of years

ago, jane, her family came out and said they thought she was on the right track, doing better, was there something they could have done or we as a society could have done to reach her, to prevent this? >> no. nobody can get sober except the person themselves. now, you can do an intervention you can all get together and say, hey, we will show you what you look like, not how you are row map the sizing yourself and try to breakthrough that wall of deny. unless the person themselves wants to change, you cannot force them into that surrender. because it isn't ultimately will power but sur troerngtd fact their completely powerless over this drug this substance of choice. now the tough part with amy winehouse was that her whole persona was about how unique she was. she was special, she was different and that also fed into the addict mentality of i'm different, i'm special, the rules don't apply to they me and it is called terminally unique that is the addiction terminology, of the continue

results in termination of your career and even your life and tragically, that may very well be what happened here with her. >> jape, we have seen so many, it seems so many artists so many talented people really in a sense crumble before our eyes. do you think that society, to some extent, enables this? >> totally. because we have this stereotype of hard-drinking hemingway writer and the tortured artist, it is all nonsense in fact, most artists achieve not because of their drug use or their alcoholism but despite that, but the problem is when they get clean and sober, they have to, as your other guest said, reinvent themselves from the ground up. and so she would have had to change everything, her beehive hair do her sound even, because it was really drenched in that whiskey sort of persona and was she able do that? apparently no. >> would you stay is harder to

be an aed a duct in the spotlight than the average person suffering from disease? >> i wouldn't say that. i would say under a spotlight, you have a job that condones the behavi behavior. if you are an duct in this poe everything points you toward your special, that is a great term, terminal uniqueness. the other issue, as an addict it is a personal decision. you're responsible for everybody else, most of the time, the artist suspect quite sure how they became successful, not like a building you can touch that you built, it is sort of a myth and how you reinvent yourself when you are not exactly sure how you became who you are in the first place it is an art, not sort of hard facts. >> somebody thought the drugs and alcohol hadding? to do with her success. >> keith richards has launched more drug addictions than you can imagine because there's a persona built around that. >> a warped way that was working

for her? she was making lots of money. >> can you force someone to go to treatment? >> you can. i don't know about england, but the united states it only works if the person really wants to do it. i mean, she's great example, she went through four times and it didn't -- it seems like perhaps it didn't work for her. >> incredibly painful to see someone bright and talented, like watching them fall from the top of the building, watch herd career as a big fan going this isn't going anywhere good, sad to watch, a personal decision. i can tell you something intimately about myself, i think there was a time i believed the people who worked hard like i did before i was a band paying $40 a seat desevered and earned through their money get the guy who did everything they couldn't do for a living. i was supposed to drink and behave a certain way and i believed that for a very long time and that was deadly for me. i thought that was being a real artist and that was integrity

and took me a little while to get that attitude adjustment. >> before we let jane go i want to give you a final thought before we go? >> it is so sad because i think she was a genius and her songs were unique. they were f she could have only separated that uniqueness and kept it in the musical arena as opposed to her whole life defiance, do it my way and the rules don't apply to me, she might have been able to navigate this, but it didn't happen and it is so sad. >> jane velez-mitchell, johnny colt, elizabeth cone, thank you all. such an important topic, i'm glad we had some time to discuss it. thank you. the little children of somalia's famine desperate for food, desperate for anyone to help them what is being done to help, coming up next.

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norway by muslims." the judge ordered breivik to remain in solitary confinement for eight weeks until his next court hearing. they are the young and the innocent who care nothing about poll toy, islamic militant groups, they are the little children crying out for food, dying every day property ravages of somalia's famine. families who can are fleeing to refugee camps in neighboring kenya, also hard hit by the worst drought to hit had the horn of africa in 60 years. cnn's david mckenzie in the famine zone. >> reporter: these people are actually from this community, they are called the host community. and they also need food aid desperately, they have been streaming in from the surrounding areas. what they are doing here is registering people, making sure they will be on the list for when the world food program and course come into this area and give large-scale assistance. and it is the children here are ho are also the worst affected in this crisis. even if the communities that are not coming from rebel-held terrors to, they are struggling, but what ngo people here are

telling me is as people stream in from areas that cannot get aid this area will be the cracking point of this crisis. what strikes when you see the situation of the people here and why this zone could be so important in the coming week? >> mm-hmm. well, we have a situation where we are already reaching 11 million people throughout the horn of africa, but we have 60% of the population of somalia have not been reached with aid. and so we are seeing people who have traveled a long distance, they are very weak. >> but ultimately, the u.n. needs to access the areas that are worst off and you can't right now? >> yes. well, we are reaching 1.5 million people in somalia right now, we are building up in mogadishu, reaching over 300,000 people, but the world food program has lost 14 people since 2008 just trying to give kids food, it is dangerous and it's risky but we are committed to going going to where the people need the food and going where we can. we are looking for windows of

opportunity even though access is extremely difficult to most of these places. the problem in the crisis is the world food program can only access less than half the somali population that needs help because they are in the areas controlled by al shabaab, the militant group. now the main thing that needs to happen here, they al shabaab, the militant group. the main thing is to get access into those areas, feed people where they live. otherwise streams of people coming into these areas. what the u.n. is trying to do is create a buffer around the famine zone so people can get out. if they do, at least they can get some kind of assistance. cnn, somalia. checking our top stories now, president obama today said he's willing to cut spending by historic amounts to reach a deal on the debt ceiling. john boehner and harry reid are set to release competing debt cutting plans. the deadline for reaching a deal is august 2nd.

the woman that accused international head of monetary fund of sexual assault said she's telling the truth from her heart. in an interview she said she wants dominique strauss-kahn to go to jail. he said it was consensual and her lawyer says she will file a lawsuit against strauss-kahn. ever swing back and forth from a tree to splash into the water on a summer's day? next how this principle will be the future of all nasa landings. i'm not kidding.

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update. still no deal in place to raise the country's debt ceiling and it has washington scrambling. cnn's wolf blitzer joins me live from washington. hi there, wolfe. >> raend randi the clock is ticking, they have to come up with something in one week, the deadline for default emerges, legislation passed, post it several days before there's votes in the house. they are working feverishly behind the scenes. at some point we'll hear from key players, not only speaker of the house john boehner, majority leader in the senate harry reid but we'll also probably hear at some point from the president. we heard from him briefly earlier today giving a speech but maybe go into more specifics later. we'll see what's happening. all the action on the hill. different plans emerging. they were close to a deal but not close enough. at one point both the president

and the speaker were clearly ready to upset to anger their respective bases, the speaker ready to accept $800 billion in additional tax increases or revenues if you will. the president wanted another $400 billion beyond that. that seemed to have made those negotiations go away. and the president clearly angering his democratic base, or at least many democrats, by raising the possibility of cuts and entitlement spending, social security, medicare and medicaid. it's a complicated situation. we'll see what happens. they don't have a lot of time. a couple of other political nuggets before i let you go. michele bachmann, tim pawlenty battle is escalating. he criticized her over the past few weeks for lacking any executive experience. now she's come back saying, you know what, he's not such a great guy himself. executive experience, she says, is not an asset if it simply means bigger government and more intrusive government. actions speak louder than words.

she criticized what she said was his earlier support for cap and trade excessive spending, t.a.r.p. plan, individual health care mandates. they are going back and forth, two minnesotans, minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann, former governor tim pawlenty, a big fight in iowa. one final note, democratic minority leader in the house recommending an ethics committee investigation of democratic congressman david wu for aldly engaging in improper sexual advances towards a young woman, daughter of a campaign supporter. that's getting ugly up there as well. apparently at least for now he says he's not going to resign his seat from oregon. so there's a lot going on as always. we'll have more much at 5:00 p.m. eastern, randi, in the situation room. >> we'll be watching. your next update from the best political team on television is one hour away. a new hour starts with new hope for young american college

student imprisoned for murder in italy. amanda knox known for her role in the grisry attack in 2007 and for the sensational trial that followed. she and her then boyfriend were convicted largely on the basis of crime scene evidence you see being collected here. knox was sentenced to 26 years. today, however, independent experts tells appeals court that some of the most crucial evidence was mishandled by police and may have been contaminated. following from london. >> reporter: they are appealing a conviction of murdering english student meredith kercher. today is forensic day. the question how they handled evidence in the initial stages of the murder. they are focusing on two things. one, the bra clasp of the victim. sollecito's dna was found on the bra clasp. what the defense is arguing that at the time the police passed it

from dirty glove to dirty glove and put it in a plastic bag, not a paper bag. they also argued it was found six weeks after the murder. for all those reasons, the evidence could be contaminated. the second thing at issue is the knife, the alleged murder weapon request amanda knox's dna on the handle itself. the prosecution had said that the victim's blood was on the blade. today the defense is arguing that the blood was so tiny it could not be tested creditably. it was just too small to draw conclusive forensic results. there were too few cells for them to do so. now, knox's family is saying that they are off beat. they are pretty positive about today. they hope that she could be released with the evidence that is picked apart today. randi. thanks, zain. in a few minutes acclaimed defense attorney joins me for more on the fallout of the potentially tainted forensics. that's at 10 past the hour here

in the "cnn newsroom." to new york whether it's far from clear whether the sexual assault case against dominique strauss-kahn will ever go to trial. we should know more a week from today when the international monetary fund goes back to court. the last hearing came with a bombshell from prosecutors that the alleged victim may not be credible. she's a hotel maid from guinea like most victims of sexual assault have not been named in the media to now. she's going public with what happened in suite 2806 in new york sophie hotel may 149. she spoke with newsweek magazine and abc news. >> i was like stop this, stop this, but he wouldn't say nothing. he kept pushing me, pushing me, pushing me to the hallway, back to the hallway, kept pushing me. i was so afraid. i was so scared. >> when did you realize he was one of the most powerful men in the world.

>> i was watching the news. then they say he's going to be the next president of france. and i said oh, my god. i was crying. they said they are going to kill me. they are going to kill me. i'm going to die. >> by way of response strauss-kahn's attorneys called her the first accuser in history to conduct a media campaign to persuade a prosecutor to pursue charges against an innocent person from whom she wants money. she plans to sue strauss-kahn for damages. here are some other top stories we're following for you. the battle in washington over raising the debt ceiling is coming down to the wire. president obama today said he's willing to cut spending by historic amounts to reach a deal wildfire the august 2nd deadline. mr. obama opposes any short-term deal insisting the debt ceiling be raised through 2012. at the same time democratic and republican leaders are set to release competing deficit reduction plans sometime today. it looks like there will be a

pro football season after all. moments ago players ratified a 10-year deal ending the lock ouchlt the agreement was finalized by negotiators today. it opens the way for formal practice to start this week with preseason starting august 11th, regular season kicking off september 8th. among other things, a salary cap of $142.4 million per team this year. owners approved the agreement last week. we'll bring you a live report in about 10 minutes. in texas, jury selection under way in the sexual assault trial of polygamist secretary leader warren jeffs. he's charged with two counts of sexual assault on a child. one count from bigamy staged on a raid by his church three years ago. jeffs expected to go on trial to face a bigamy charge at a later time. in alaska, seven teenager boys taking part april wilderness education program were attacked and mauled by a brown bear and her cub. one of the boys seen right here in this picture.

officials say two of the boy had life threatening injuries, two more serious conditions, two more with minor injuries. it happened as they crossed a river. the boys were involved in a national outdoor leadership program. the students had reached a point where they spend several days on their own practicing wilderness skills practiced earlier in that 30-day program. could american amanda knox finally get her freedom? damming testimony from experts about dna evidence used to convict knox of the murder. the latest on the hearing and what this could mean for amanda knox coming up. but i did. they said i couldn't get elected to congress. but i did. ♪ sometimes when we touch ha ha! millions of hits! [ male announcer ] flick, stack, and move between active apps seamlessly. only on the new hp touchpad with webos.

i want to take you back to italy to the case of convicted murderer american amanda knox. today's hearing could prove

pivotal as experts examine key evidence used to convict knox of her roommate meredith kercher. a 30 millimeter kitchen knife and bloody bra clasp, two appointed experts testified they botched the investigation saying the forensic team failed to follow protocol that made it easy to be contaminated. the experts said they found no dna evidence on the knife that was the supposed murder weapon. i want to bring in a former defense attorney and prosecutor. paul, great to have you on the show to discuss this on the big day for amanda knox in court. how significant do you think this was? now to be told there was no dna on the knife and no dna on the bra. >> this is a huge, important day for amanda knox. the evidence -- the knife evidence especially, that was the one piece of evidence that physically linked her to the crime. it's called the double dna knife. her dna was found on the handle.

but kercher, the victim's dna, was supposedly on the blade. you would expect amanda knox's dna to be on the handle, because the knife was from her boyfriend's apartment. she used to cook there. the police selected that, somewhat arbitrarily, as the murder weapon. now dna experts are saying that is not kercher's blood. in fact, it might just be vegetable material. that's a key link to the homicide blown out of the case on a very important day for amanda knox. >> is this her tibet to freedom or does something else need to happen for her to get out of jail? >> the italian system is very complicated and very different from the american system. that's a harder question to answer than it might be in the united states. in the u.s., a jury hears the case. then when it goes up on appeal, the judges decide whether the law was applied properly or not. in italy, you kind of start the trial over again. each appellate court can call witnesses, hire their own

experts. the case gets retried. these experts, dna experts, were independently appointed by the court. they are the ones now who have discredited the dna evidence. the big thing she's left with, it's the dangerous thing for amanda knox, is what the italians call her confession, although many people say it's not like a confession. it's more like a statement. because she never really admittedo the murder in the so-called confession. she really said after many, many hours of interrogation after multiple teams of italian policeman that she was confused that night. if what police were telling her was true, maybe she was there. it was all very vague, almost like her recreating a hallucination. she had been smoking marijuana earlier in the evening. >> is that enough or what happens to that statement? >> i don't know. i think even if you were to accept it all as being accurate, the one thing that's interesting

is one thing in that confession she has a guy who ran a local bar as doing the homicide. police admitted he had nothing whatever to do with the homicide. in fact someone entirely different named guede did the killing. how reliable is a confession when you put the wrong murderer in the confession. even police agree he had nothing to do with the crime. i think italian police are really not left with much after the knife is thrown out of evidence. all of the rest of the evidence comes from shaky witnesses. >> what about the prosecution? is there anything the prosecution can do at this point, after they have lost this key bit of evidence? >> i don't think you're going to see them giving up easily. they may try to cross-examination the dna experts that were appointed by the court. they may bring on their own dna experts and try to counter the evidence that was brought out and is being brought out in court today apparently in italy. so i wouldn't look to see

prosecutors giving up easily. this is a big case in italy and a huge embarrassment for italian police if they have put an innocent american student in prison. >> what about her appearance and her behavior in court as this case was being tried? was the jury with her or against her? >> most reporters have said that her activities in court hurt her tremendously. there were reports in the italian newspaper that she was winking and smiling with her boyfriend sollecito, who was a co-defendant and she was putting her head on the table during the course of the prosecution. but amanda knox supporters say quite to the contrary, that's an unfair characterization. what really happened was the tabloid press was just reporting isolated incidents that happened in court. i know from trying murder cases myself, long cases in court, a lot of times a client will act inappropriately, maybe wince or

smile at the wrong point in time. nobody notices it because the press isn't covering most cases. when the tabloids are looking for a reason to embarrass you and humiliate you, amanda knox supporters a say they focused on these few things and made her look like somebody she is not. >> in our last 20 seconds, paul, should amanda knox breathe easier today, sleep easier tonight? >> i think she's having a very, very good day. on the other hand, the italian system is a difficult system. the court won't decide until september. who knows, there might be another appeal in the works. so i don't think you're going to see her walking out of the prison doors so quickly but it's a very good day for amanda knocks. >> paul cal an, appreciate your expertise. thank you so much. >> good to be with you yet. >> nfl lockout ended. raisins michael orr on what comes next. gets teeth two shar and makes tooth enamel two times stronger.

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looks like we're going to have a professional football season after all. they ratified a few minutes ago. david matingly is joining me. what does this mean? >> it means we're getting football. if there's any doubt it was going away before, we are going to have a season. the teams will be uninterrupted playing out the season. we do know because of the delay in the negotiations, they had to cancel the first preseason of the year, the hall of fame game. it looks like everything now is going to stay on schedule. in fact, if things keep going the way they are going today we're going to see players starting to report and teams starting to go back into their training camps by the end of the

week. >> so how did the negotiations go? how would you describe them? i know you followed them quite a bit last week. what was the holdup. >> the holdup was the sheer volume of things they were trying to go through. this agreement lasts for 10 years. unheard of in professional sports, major professional sports. they were dealing with things like collective bargaining, free agency, rookie salaries, health issues. like how obvious can a player get hit during practice. they were trying to limit the amount of contact between games. very broad the way they were going through this. we're probably going to have a press conference shortly. >> in washington, d.c., there's a press conference under way right now. let's listen in. >> we'll come out, say a few words together, take some questions and then they will be on their way and go back to the business of signing a settlement agreement and beginning the process of getting back to playing football.

>> all right. as we wait for that to get under way, what do you think about the support of the fans. do you think they still have the support and will come back? >> this happened in the off-season. the fan didn't miss any games. >> such a roller coaster. >> it was. we've seen this, the one casualty was the one game, preseason game. the fans were pressuring both sides to get the agreement done. when the lockout happened in mamp, i was up in green bay talking to fans there about this. they were saying, look, the way we look at it, it's millionaires against billionaires. come on, these are tough economic times. can you do this. >> let's listen in one more time in washington, d.c. >> several of the owners who have joined us today, mr.

richardson, chairman, mr. kraft, who have come by today. we're happy we've got an agreement we have reached. i'll turn it over to roger to say a few words and we'll finish it up. >> it's been a long time coming. football is back. that's the great news for everybody. i want to thank all the players for their leadership and for securing the long-term future of the game. having a ten-year agreement is extraordinarily great for our game but most importantly our fans. everybody worked hard. everybody had a passion, and everybody believes in this game of football and what we can do to make our game better. i think this agreement is going to make our game better. so we're grateful for all the work that both parties did to make sure we came to this day today and make sure for the fans we can sit here and say football

is back. so let me have our chairman, mr. richardson say a few words. >> thank you. this is a long time coming. i would like to say what a pleasure it has been for us to work with the players in this negotiation. as a former player myself, the relationship and conversations we've developed, i think, will serve us well for a long time. we're delighted we have an agreement that's going to serve the nfl. our players, our teams and our fans for many years to come. >> first of all, i'd like on behalf of both sides to apologize to the fans for the past five, six months we've been talking about the business of football and not what goes on on the field and building the teams in each market.

the end result we have an agreement that will allow this sport to flourish over the next decade. we've done that in a way that's unique among major sports that every team in our league, all 32, will be competitive. we've improved player safety and remembered the players who have played in the past. i want to give a special compliment to commissioner goodell and smith because the commissioner has to deal with 32 tough and demanding owners. but demaurice smith has come in and is managing 1900 players, a bunch of different professionals. it's a new cba with tricky language and he was able to keep all those things going and come up with an agreement he and roger did together with their two teams. lastly, what kept me at the table the last four and a half

months was seeing the players who represented the player representatives, who represented the league's players. you know, they just didn't look at the short-term interests of their own playing careers, but they looked long-term, especially jeff saturday and dominique foxworth. i was so impressed with them that they acted as principles at the table looking out for what was good for the game. i believe you're going to see a very great nfl over the next decade. i hope we gave a little lesson to the people in washington because the debt crisis is a lot easier to fix than this deal was. thank you. >> thanks, we're obviously pleased to be standing here today. it's been a long and pretty difficult negotiation. i think at the end of the day, neither side got everything they wanted. but i think what we did achieve was a fair deal that will stand the test of time and be in the

best interest of league, players, clubs and fans. i have a lot of respect for players we've been negotiating with. they were tough negotiators. they represented their fellow players very well as did d smith. at the end of the day we have something here that will serve the best interest of the national football league for many years to come. >> probably robert got us in trouble with the white house, i'm sure. kevin, if you could come forward and say a few words. >> on behalf of the players international football league, i just want to say it's a great day. we stand on the eve of the day when football gets back to business and our players couldn't be more excited than going back and doing the thing they love the most. we always said throughout this process that we would do a deal when it's right and when it's the right deal and our players did that. we stuck it out to the end, fought our ground, worked with the owners to get a deal we feel

was fair for everybody. we're excited about today. we're thankful for d and roger and the leadership of our groups. i'm thankful for the players that stood together. we stood strong in a time of uncertainty. more importantly i want to thank the fans, roller coaster rides, january, two years out, until today. you guys have stuck with us. we're here to tell you football is back. it's back for the long-term and we're excited about the season starting. we couldn't have done this without a strong executive committee and our board of players. i've got to give a tip of the hat to those that haven't missed a meeting. a lot of credit goes to those guys for pounding it out and doing the dirty quork-of- work f -- dirty work for us. with that i'll turn it over to jeff and let him say a few words. >> thanks. to echo what they have said. i think the part that was most impressive to me, when players and owners sat across the table

from each other and dialogue, things began to happen. >> there is a deal. football is back, in the words of nfl commissioner roger goodell. david mattingly with me in the studio. very quickly, david, you call this a victory lap today? >> they should be proud about this. they should be. this is a 10-year deal. they won't have to do this until 2012 '21. none of the players will be on the field at that time. this is affecting everybody on the field today and five to 10 years from now. >> thank you for being with us as the news broke on our show. thank you. we'll take a break here and be right back. rincipal. but, i have to support my family, so how do i go back to school? university of phoenix made it doable. a lot of my instructors were principals in my district. i wouldn't be where i am without that degree. my name is dr. carrie buck. i helped turn an at-risk school into an award winning school, and i am a phoenix.

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the comparisons between greece and the united states are striking. moody's downgraded greece's credit rating put it one step above default. the u.s. could default on its loans if congress can't reach a debt ceiling deal by august 2nd. in q&a ali velshi answers the question is the united states or europe experiencing the most dangerous debt crisis? >> my friend ali and i are

together in the "cnn newsroom" and around the world. good day, ali. >> hello, richard. we're here to talk business travel, innovation in a special monday's edition of q&a. nothing off limit to us. we're talking about limits, of sorts, debt delays and collapses. >> there may be no limits. united states is getting close to the deadline for defaulting on its bills if a debt ceiling isn't done. in europe there's concern over strength of the currency the euro. charles sent in a question on facebook. the question is, which is a brilliant question, charles. which is worse, the default or collapse of euro. you've got 60 seconds. >> if i must choose i'd say the whole european debt crisis is more serious than the u.s. debt

situation. because while the u.s. debate over increasing the debt ceiling is largely political european problems are real, economic and fiscal problems. while it might seem unwise to some, the united states does have the ability to borrow more money. if the u.s. misses the august 2nd deadline and default and interest rates go up and stock markets tank, you will see american politicians literally tripping over themselves in a rush to fix the problem. in doing so the u.s. may throw away its aaa credit rating, richard, but it's a lesson learned. europe's problems, on the other hand, are structural. countries like greece and portugal and ireland they owe more money than they pay. they can't issue bonds like the u.s. can to raise more money. so the euro's collapse could trigger another lehman brothers style global credit freeze. that, richard, threatens the solvency of the entire global financial system. as german chancellor says if it fails europe fails. that's a tough one, richard.

>> interesting philosophy, ali, with which i do not agree, as you might expect. this is what we're really talking about. which is mightier and can cause more trouble. the little euro or the great dollar. in my own view, probably because the dollar remains the world's reserve currency. the dollar is still the currency upon which so much depends elsewhere, whether it's in oil trading, commodities, or gold. the dollar still is the backbone of the credit market. so anything that happens to the dollar has to be of crucial importance. to be sure the euro is a weakling. but here we have two great institutions, the united states now and the eurozone. they are the largest in the world, one and two, depending on the definition. frankly, ali, we're both playing

with fire. it doesn't matter which goes first. ultimately it's the devil in the deep blue sea where the risks are greatest. >> i'll agree with you on that. good point. all right, richard. let's see how much we know about this stuff really. try to bring in the voice. hello, voice. >> hello. welcome, gentlemen. since you're so well versed on the world economy this should be a snap. start with debts and deficits. according to the world bank, which of these countries has the lowest deficit per capita? a, united states. b, canada. c, sweden. or d luxembourg. ali? >> easy, easy. give me something harder than that. luxembourg. >> incorrect. >> give it a go, richard. >> yes, it is sweden. >> wrong yet again. the correct answer is canada.

it's the lowest on the list, per capi capita. >> you are so toast when you go home. >> that's ep bearsing. >> i'm not going home after that. all right. >> let's go to the gold standard. between 1870 and 1900, every major country, except one got on the board. which was the lone holdouts. a, china. b, russia. c, japan. or d, germany? >> richard. >> russia. >> incorrect. >> ali? >> japan. >> incorrect yet again. it's a rough start, guys. the correct answer is china. china nearly bought 600 tons of gold last year. some by the government and some by private investors. >> i nearly said china. let's see if you guys can redeem

yourselves on question three, shall we? >> okay. >> according to xe only currency converter, there is no currency that exchanges at an even rate with the euro, but there are two that trade evenly with the u.s. dollar. which one of these is it? is it a, australian dollars? b, bermuda dollars? c, vietnamese dong? or c singapore dollars. ali? >> bermuda dollar. >> that is correct. bermuda and the bahamas are the two that trade evenly with the u.s. dollar. congratulations, ali, you're today's winner. >> congratulations. one answer right in two or three weeks and i can't go back to canada because i've shamed myself too much. hope you're happy, richard. >> delighted. that will do it for this addition on the monday edition of q&a. quest means business at 1800.

>> "cnn newsroom" 2:00 p.m. eastern, keep the topics coming. that was a great one on our blogs. tell us each week what you want us to talk about. see you thursday, richard. >> see you, ali. call her. ok. [ cellphone rings ] hey. you haven't left yet. no. i'm boarding now... what's up? um...would you mind doing it again? last time. [ engine turns over ] oooohhhh...sweet. [ male announcer ] the chevy cruze with the my chevrolet app. the remote control car is finally here. well, now she's just playing with us. oh. [ horn honks ]

a double terror attack that's shaken norway toist very core. at least 76 people killed, many of them young people having fun at a youth camp. the suspect and in court today. jim boulden joins us from oslo. what took place in court. >> randi, another extraordinary today.

this the first time anders breivik has come to court, though journalists and cameras were not allowed to come in. the judge decided to hold him for eight weeks in isolation because she did not want the suspect to have contact with anybody from the outside world. he'll appear again in eight weeks' time. there was video of him leaving the courthouse. it was the first time norwegians had a chance to see the suspect. that number is lower. the police had the number higher than 90. behind me, you'll see tens of thousands of people marching through the streets of os lochlt they sta -- oslo. they started 6:00 oslo time. they are streaming this way down towards the cathedral where many people are laying flowers in a sign of respect. it was quite an emotional time when they had a minute silence holding all these flowers higher and higher. what i'm hearing time and time again throughout this weekend and this day, randi, norwegians

say despite this atrocity the country will become stronger and democracy will stay in place despite what this man has done. >> jim, he's actually admitted to taking part in these attacks but he's pleaded not guilty. can you help us understand why? >> yes. he says he's justified in what he's done and wanted to speak in court today to explain what he did, so he admitted to doing this and admitted to doing this and his lawyer told us over the weekend he admitted to doing this. he wanted his day in court. he wanted to speak today. that's one of the main reasons the police asked the judge not to open it to the press. they did not want to give him a platform. i can tell you the vast majority of the people here would definitely agree to this. >> it seeps as though if he pleads not guilty and this does go to a trial, he would get more time in court and get this matter much more attention, which may be what he wants.

>> and the interesting thing here, if he is sentenced to life, life in this country means 21 years. he could technically get out after 21 years. a lot of people discussing how they can keep him in jail for longer, something called custody, a bit like the states. he would come up for parole in 21 years. it's an extraordinary difference between here and the u.s. no death penalty and nothing beyond 21 years in jail unless they can find a way to hold him indefinitely in custody. randi. >> all right. jim boulden in norway, thank you. international aid officials painting a bleak picture in the horn of africa where famine has taken the lives of thousands every day. one of the hardest-hit areas is somalia. they tell heartbreaking stories of mothers fleeing neighboring kenya leaving children on the sides of roads too weak to care for them. al qaeda linked mill tan group

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if the debt ceiling crisis were a movie, you probably would not believe it. one day rumors grow we're de los a solution, the next someone is walking out of a meeting or changing their tune. there's even a gang, gang of six that showed up for a sum couple of scenes. this back and forth is hard to keep up with. what's the problem? are the debts talking about a fiscal problem or is it a problem with the system. pete dominick host of "stand up with pete dominick" on sirius xm. chief investment officer of leave capital management, and professor of international business at university of

maryland. welcome to all of you. certainly a hot topic. pete, let's start with you, what is the problem here? >> essentially the congress set an arbitrary limit on how much the government can bore oechl the united states has more than adequate resources to pay the interest on the debt. it's a small share of federal revenue. on august 2nd we will not default unless the president and secretary choose not to make the payments. >> steve, would you like to weigh in there? what do you think is the problem? >> i think it's much more macrothan that. if this were a movie, it would be a surreal movie. no one is talking about the issue, the major issue is a dramatic lack of growth. that certainly makes it a fiscal problem because we don't have growth. if we had growth of 3, 4, 5%, this would not ab big issue. everybody would be happy. because growth is so low, because unemployment is so high,

mp is trying to blame everyone else to stake out grounds. basically it's a lack of recognition problem. the one word i haven't heard in any of these debates, not one of these debates have i heard the word growth. how are we going to get the country moving again? are we going to follow chinese and invest money in alternative energies, incentivize corporations to do that? no word on that at all. until we get that message across, i fear this is going to be an ongoing dispute. we have not seen the last of it. i do not expect us to default. i do expect our bonds to be downgraded. i don't expect it to have a great effect. we've got to get growth in this country. >> pete dominick, to you. what do you think? if this wasn't political, do you think we'd have a deal by now? >> yes, i think we could do a lot if politics weren't involved, randi. since the kennedy administration lawmakers have raised the debt

ceiling 74 times. ronald reagan dit 18 times. the last bush administration did it seven times. it's kind of a routine thing to do. but politics have changed everything here. the truth is, the real concern for americans is, as economist peter agrees, employment. the real numbers are about 16% of people who would love to be working right now. that is the real concern. we can disagree how jobs can be created in america but that should be the focus of lawmakers and the media, the people that aren't working, i think we could all agree. but politics has taken the place of all that at this point, i think we should just let the nfl owners and players negotiate a raise of that ceiling. >> they may get it done. peter, what do you say? we've watched this play out for weeks and months. what is the solution and how are we going to get there? >> the adults have to come to play. democrats won't acknowledge they ran up spending so much in the

last four years. if we raise every tax and fee collected, no one went to the national parks left, worked less, no business left the united states, which is absurd if we raised by 50%, if that could happen, we'd still be $600 billion a year short in paying for what we spend. so we have to spend dramatically less. republicans are right about that. but the tea party for its part has captured one-half of one of the two political branches of government. it only has one quarter of the policymaking apparatus of washington. you simply can't dictate national policy when you are one quarter of the system. as a consequence they have to compromise. they are not much inclined in that direction. when i listen to nancy pelosi and eric cantor, i wonder, where are the adults. >> we're out of time. sorry we have to leif it there. peter, pete, stephen, thanks for weighing in. it's certainly a great discussion. more on the debt crisis

negotiations, let's go now to kate bolduan from capitol hill. they just present add plan to members of the house. any breakthroughs we know about. >> the dueling plans, house speaker john boehner as well as the plan put forth by the top democrat in the senate harry reid, this following a breakdown in negotiations over the weekend between congressional leaders. without bogging down our viewers really with the details of how exactly these plans work. what we've learned from the plan from house speaker john boehner, very much seen like the plan he was proposing over the weekend, raising the debt ceiling but doing it in a two-part process. according to a briefing we received, this would be $3 trillion in spending cuts, raising the ceiling in a two-part process. first right away, that would get you through february or march of next year. then the second vote to raise the debt ceiling.

this has been the sticking point of the president would only be able to request another increase and would only be able to vote on it if this new committee would be set up to look for deficit reduction measures, if they agreed to it and congress enacted measures put forth. that contingency, if you will, is what democrats have opposed. as a house republican aide put it in the briefing, if this fails, we'll be right back where we are today. that is speaker boehner's plan. on the other side of the capital, senator harry reid, he's still unveiling his plan right now. his plan comes with $2.7 trillion in deficit reduction, spending cuts, some spending cuts in mandatory programs winding down from wars in iraq and afghanistan. the big point here is his plan is not contingent on congress coming together around major deficit reduction measures for the president to be able to raise the debt ceiling once

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