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>> the center has won some key battles. in 2007, it discovered voting machines in california and ohio were vulnerable to hackers. it took control of the malisha russi russian botnet. >> there was a link of babies laughing, and let's click on it, and suddenly you are compromised. social networks are a tremendous opportunity. people are sharing personal information to a level that was unthinkable ten years ago. >> reporter: these experts say the best way to protect your own data on the internet, simple, never share sensitive information in e-mail or web sites that are not increpted and always check your bank account and credit card statements for any signs of cyber theft.
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now, the "cnn newsroom" continues with randi kaye. >> have a great day. >> thank you. the treasury is sending out checks as promised, and somehow there is just as much fear and uncertainty and economic anxiety as ever. we will tackle the next three main questions. what is going on with the stock markets? the dow is on track for the ninth straight day of losses. any guesses on how long it has been since nine straight days of loss? 33 years. lots of scary numbers are behind these, and we'll get to those in a minute. question number two, who will make the cuts. the debt deal left a hard decision on taxes and spending and entitlements to a 12-member super committee yet to be appointed. thirdly, why did congress leave
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so much unfinished business? lawmakers went on their august break leaving thousands of faa workers on unpaid furlough. they are also leaving $1 billion in uncollected taxes on the table in a fight over $14 million. it's time to get some answers. don't you think? wall street is where we begin today. alison kosik is at the stock exchange. if the dow closes lower, we are in the for the 33 bleak out look that you just mentioned. we have several reports showing just how weak the economy is. consumer spending numbers are down. manufacturing is weak. economic growth is anemic. of course, who can forget the jobs market. i am hearing the r word being tossed around here, recession.
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and i will tell you, those whispers are picking up with one economists saying the thoughts about recessions is starting. you have a perfect storm of negative news. one thing everybody is waiting for is the official government jobs report coming out friday, along with gdp, the jobs report is one of the most important. the expectations are for a gain of roughly 80,000 jobs, and that's not even fuf for a meaningful recovery in the jobs market. >> you look at the numbers today, alison, and you wonder, if the whole debt and default deal mean nothing? the investors seem still spooked? >> you had investors focused on the debt ceiling debate going on, and then you had investors looking at the deal and saying, you know, it doesn't do much for
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the economy, doesn't move the economy forward and doesn't grow jobs, so wall street not particularly thrilled with the deal in itself, and then you have the focus on the broader economy, that has always been there, the weight on the economy, meaning the reports, one after another showing that the economy is really in trouble at this point, randy. >> alison kosik, as always, thank you. to get answers on the dispute that is costing the government $30 million a day, i want to bring in the man that knows the ways of washington and spent his career trying to change them. ron paul is a long-time gop congressman from texas whose 2008 run for president inspired a movement. you know it today as the tea party. paul is winding down his congressional career, but running once more for president. he joins me on the telephone from lake jackson, texas. i want to start with the debt deal and the big decisions you and your colleagues decided to put off.
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you write today balancing the federal budget is not as hard as most people think. what do you think is the secret? >> live within our means like people are supposed to do. the symantics are so bad because everybody is talking about cuts, and why didn't we cut this, and set up a super commission and cut more. no place have we discussed any cuts whatsoever. it's always cuts in the proposed increases. so this is a difficulty for a person like myself who actually wants to have cuts, but you can't have cuts unless you change the attitude about the people and what they want from their government. if they think we have to be the policeman of the world, and you can't challenge the entitlement system there's no way we can do this. default is only inevitable. the only argument about default is whether it's by not sendsing out the checks, or what we are doing today, everybody opted for
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just printing the money. the default is coming. we liquidate debt by printing money and having a devalued currency, and that's what gold is telling us today. we been the with the option of the printing press rather than coming to the fact that we are bankrupt. >> you believe a freeze in spending would be better than making the cuts at all? >> yes, i would have cuts, but since nobody is about to do that, freeze it, and give everybody what they got last year. seems like it would be an easy sell. and everybody is saying, they are going to slash all the entitlements. but they are not. they are just cutting what the proposed increases are. even if they talk about cutting the military, they get hysterical, but there are not cuts in the military, they are cuts in proposed increases. it takes about four or five years -- if we would had frozen
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the budget five years ago, itd would have been balanced right now. the other thing you could do if you are so brave is to actually cut something, and all you need to do is cut 1% of the budget and do it for five years and you would get to a balanced budget. >> what about the super committee? i take it you are not a fan. would you join the super committee and be part of it if asked? >> i am not going to be asked. i never thought that through. it's unconstitutional, and i would have my reservations. it's giving to a small number of people authority that congress should have. this is a trend we have been going through long time. we always deliver more authority to the executive branch in certain commissions and taking the responsibility away from the congress. i think the very dangerous. >> what are you concerned the super committee will fast track? >> i know they will never ask me
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and i doubt i would want to serve on something like that. >> just this tiny dispute that apparently has now 4,000 workers at the faa furloughed, and the federal government is not collecting more than $1 billion now in taxes from the faa. the administration thinks you and your colleagues should go back to work and figure it out. >> we heard a lot of great speech from members of congress about creating jobs, and they talk the talk, but they have not walked the walk. their speeches ring very hollow to 4,000 faa employees who are furlough furloughed. their speeches about jobs ring hollow to 70,000 construction workers who are not working right in the middle of the construction season on construction projects all over america.
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>> congressman, how is it that you now have 74,000 workers who are not collecting a paycheck and yet congress is on vacation? how did this happen? >> part of the process is the inability to admit that we're bankrupt and we have to cut. house did pass a bill recognizing the fact that some of the smaller airports are nothing more than boon dogles. tens of thousands being spent by planes going in. far from a market oriented program. the senate could have passed it, but it could have passed and it would have been more conservative and backed off of some of these programs that are not paying but just draining the economy. so it's not exactly the congress wouldn't do anything, it's the senate that hasn't done it. then again, anytime there's an attempt, everybody is screaming, cut back, cut back. and they find that there's real
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waste and we should not be spending in certain areas. i am sure the congress is inept. the special interests are part of the problem, too. even if paul ryan made an attempt to propose something, i did not vote for something because i did not think it was enough. he got really hit hard for this. oh, you can't do this. and the people whose programs are being cut, they come back in, and this will be very, very tough. this is a reason why i don't predict you will get this under control. it will continue. we will continue to print money and it's going to stop by economic law, which means the dollars won't work and that's what we should be concerned about, not some of these technical factors. >> i think the people furloughed right now are very concerned about this. you heard the administration saying congress should come back and figure it out, and you are running for president, would you
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want to bring congress back? >> for this, we could have accomplished it before if -- i think the pressure should have been put on the pressure to pass the bill. >> congressman ron paul, appreciate your time, and your insight into these issues. we always enjoy having you on the program. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. thousands of faa employees are the latest casualty of political bickering on capitol hill. we will talk with one directly in our studio just ahead. ...got even easier? affirmative. we'll show you other people's winning hotel bids. so i'll know how much to bid... ...and save up to 60% i'm in i know the lady in leather travels on three wheels. wait, is that code? that's my secret weapon... ...naomi pryce see winning hotel bids now at priceline. helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic."
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think about it. earlier we talked about how congress let this happen and legislators are off on summer break, and meantime employees are in limbo on furlough for five weeks or longer. neil bowlen is one of them, an engineer with the faa and price president of the engineers union. i have to ask you, how are you and your colleagues doing? >> oh, we're horribly disappointed pm a lot of us are really struggling to find a way to pay the bills. we're signing up for unemployment. a little bit going down to cnn's human relations desk and seeing if i can find a job, because we are out of work for the next five or six weeks in hopes that the faa will bring us back onboard, because congress has failed to get the job done. >> how concerned are you about -- you mentioned your concern about paying the bills,
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and mortgage payments and i don't know how your family will deal with this. >> a lot of peanut butter and jelly. i have a friend i met at the unemployment office, one of the faa colleagues, she cannot make a house closing because she was buying a house and cannot go to the house and say, yeah, i have a job. two weeks from now she doesn't have a job when her house closes on the 19th. how will she do that? >> you heard the transportation secretary right here telling congress they should go back to work and get it done so the faa shutdown can be brought to an end. what do you think of that end? >> i am thankful for the secretary for trying to get it back on the job. i called my congressman a number of times and got the staffers. at first they did not know it was an issue. finally, they said, yeah, we passed that on to the senate.
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and the senate, they said, yeah, there is something, um, um, totally unaware that this was the problem, at least that was the impression i got. >> this is over minor differences. do you find that even more frustrating? >> it's incredibly frustrating. the whole concept that they are saying, oh, this railroad act of how to vote in unions, it's -- >> right, the sticking point comes down to language over the airline unionization rules. >> that doesn't pass the weasel test? >> why? >> because any nonvote is a no. your high school is making a new mascot, and do you keep the old one or get a new one.
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26% votes yes, and less no, but 50% don't vote, and 26% seems to win, but, no, no, 76% wins. a number of the airline employees live in the district here in atlanta, and he's not looking out for his constituents. which are the airline employees. >> you look at the situation, and you have thousands of people out of work and important construction projects on hold, and very important projects and then you have congress on vacation, and they are still getting paid and collecting their paychecks and might be taking their families on summer vacation, and you just told me you might have to look for another job? >> i am having a great time on my vacation, without pay by the way, i am sitting at the grass watching the grass grow, so no i
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am not pleased with what they managed to accomplish. >> you believe they should have and could have gotten it done? >> they could have easily gotten it done. the debt ceiling argument ended on monday and tuesday. well, where are you at on wednesday? you don't have to go on vacation. take another day and get it finished, because you are sitting around arguing, and gnashing a great amount about losing a few billion here over 10 years. but you are losing 1.2 this month. how do you figure that, folks? >> neil, we will continue to watch your story. do let us know how you are doing. it could be a long five or six weeks for your family, i am sure. do check back had with us. >> thank you. a key u.s. ally forced out. details right after this. my num.
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20 minutes past the hour. attorney general eric holder announced that over 70 people in the u.s. have been charged in an online worldwide child pornography ring. of those charged 52 have been arrested. holdin said that many victims were 12 years old and under. >> the members allegedly traded graphic images and videos of adults with children.
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and then mubarak was wheeled into a cage on a hospital bed in the courtroom. he pleaded not guilty to all charges. he faces the death penalty if convicted. the trial was adjourned until august 15th. excessive heat warnings stretch from the southwest to the deep south today. the heat wave in the second month is responsible for turning landscape brown and deaths across the country. it was 99 at midnight, and today could be the day that shattered the all-time high of 113. we have to go much more with meteorologist, chad meyers, in just a few minutes. first, in new york, it's a nice change from having a pigeon on your windowsill. a peacock went awol from the central park zoo. it flew back home this morning.
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zoo officials did not say how the bird escaped or what type of enclosure it is now in. more bad news on the employment front. more than 66,000 job cuts were announced in july. up a whopping 60% from the previous month. poppy harlow joining me. corporations are making money, and why are they opting to down size? >> that's a great question. we're seeing record profits for a lot of the companies across the board. technology and banking and etc. the situation is there is a real demand in consumers spending, and we heard them say we don't know what the regulation means for us, whether it's health care reform or wall street reform. the companies are not only not hiring a lot, they are now announcing really drastic job cuts. let's take a look at john
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challen challenger. here is how he explains it. >> one picture is we're in a rocky recovery or just in one of those and companies are making layoffs rather than holding on to their people, and all of the government stimulus, both fiscal and monetary now is at risk and maybe there is not going to be enough consumer and business spending to keep this economy afloat. >> randy, we're seeing this play out across the board. we have the really interesting gallery on cnn money. job-killing companies today. let's start off with borders. they are liquidating and closing down. boders closing 399 remaining stores. that's over 10,000 job cuts coming soon. and goldman sachs cutting jobs, and cisco, a huge technology company saying they will layoff
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6,500, or they will take early retinment. this goes across sectors and not just banking or retail. this spans the gamut. it comes at a time when the economy is in such a parrious position. we have a 1 in 3 chance of falling back into recession, randi. >> what about government workers? they could be affected, too, right, with the debt deal? >> yes, that's a great question. we have a debt deal and thought wall street would cheer it on and that did not happen. when you cut trillions of dollars in spending, you cut government jobs. the government last month bled a lot of jobs, especially on the state and city level, you will see a number of more job cuts ahead. if you do the math, there is no
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way to get around it. when you cut spending, you are cutting jobs. for all the government workers, you just talked to one who is furloughed. it's a big concern of what is going to happen to their job where they already have seen shedding, especially now where they do have the debt krael. that has not gotten attention, but it's a reality that we will see play out in the next couple years. where in the world is casey anthony? somebody may have found her. details next. mine was earned over the south pacific in 1943.
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near puerto rico, hundreds of miles away, there are outer bands aaffecting puerto rico. we are still getting pictures from today of what puerto rico looked like. here is where the waves were largest, because they were coming from the east and come into the eastern sections of puerto rico. and that's why there are flash flood warnings in effect right now, because more rain is coming in. if you are in puerto rico right now or visiting with san juan all the way to the south, and then we do have the red boxes and those red boxes are flash flood warnings. wouldn't we love to get something in the way of a flash flood event or any type of event into parts of texas. we will get to that in a second. we do have emily. emily is coming in, and the spaghetti models, all the potential hurricane models saying where is it going to go.
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there are enough of them right there in the bahamas and close to south florida that i am still concerned about this storm for florida itself. the worst possible scenario, if it does get over haiti and then floods the people in haiti, there are several hundred thousand people living in tents right there. very hot weather still from st. louis, and look at little rock the feels like temperature right now, 1 12 degrees. lakes are drying up, and wells are drying up. it's going to be a hot summer. we need some of the tropical weather over texas and it's not going to get there, though. >> thank you very much. let's check some of the news and other headlines you may have missed. the former president of egypt was wheeled into the courtroom today on a hospital bed. he faces trial for alleged corruption and ordering the killings of protesters, but the proceedings were adjourned until august 15th.
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the 83-year-old mubarak faces the death penalty if convicted, and he plead not guilty today. and an autopsy that was completed yesterday was inconclusive, and a toxicology report is pending. cass's body was found by divers one week after she was last seen. bomb squad officers freed an 18-year-old girl that was inside the house in sidney with a suspicious device. the reports the device was a collar bomb. the girl's life was potentially at risk. police report the girl is back with her family and safe. where in the world is casey anthony? turns out she might be in ohio. she is currently living in columbus, ohio, and the photos could be the first since she
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affected so far? >> 77 people have got sick and 1 person died in 26 states. yeah, this is a big outbreak. we have not had an outbreak of this size or strength since 1997. this is not garden variety salmonella, it's antibiotic resistant, meaning you have to try a lot before you find one that works. this is more worry some than plain salmonella. >> we have not seen a recall about this? >> yeah, usually in a food-born sickness, they usually have a recall. and that's because they don't have a tie. >> it's not that there should not be a recall, they don't know what to recall? >> exactly. anything they could have done to prevent an outbreak? >> there are advocates that said it could have been presented if a couple things could have been
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he ruledegypt with an iron fist for decades. today the former president went on trial on charges he ordered the killing of his own people and for corruption. he pleaded not guilty to all charges. he is being charged with his sons. mubarak was forced to step down in february after days of massive anti-government protesting, and hundreds of people were killed. today's trial, which many egyptians believe would never happen was adjourned until august 15th. it was the killing much of the world had been waiting for years to hospital. we told you about some of the dramatic aspects of the top-secret operation near pakistan's capital back in may. now the new yorker magazine has a gripping account on how the raid went down. brian todd spoke with the author
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of the article. >> reporter: less than 18 minutes into the 38 raid came the crucial moment. navy s.e.a.l.s killed his courier and the courier's brother and bin laden's son. as a small team of s.e.a.l.s reached the third floor, one turned to his right. ofhe door. >> reporter: the s.e.a.l. says he sensed that was bin laden. there is riveting details on the raid. he bases his information on the officers that had intimate knowledge of the raid. the s.e.a.l.'s identities are classified. he writes when the s.e.a.l.s rushed down the hall into the room, two of the wives placed
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themselves between the s.e.a.l.s and bin laden. >> his youngest wife was yelling hysterically and begins to approach the first s.e.a.l. the concern is they are wearing suicide vests. he grabs them and wrapped them in the bear hug and turns them and pushes them off to the side. >> he holds them? why? >> so if they can blow up, he will absorb the blasts and then the mission can go on behind him. >> he knows he would die? >> yes. >> is there anything said at the moment -- >> i asked and asked and asked and wonder fire department there was a "dirty harry" moment, and there was not. they shot him in the hes and
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once in the eye, and he says on the radio, for god and country, geronimo, geronimo, geronimo. >> reporter: at that moment, president obama says to nobody in particular, we got him. and then he spoke with the s.e.a.l.s and thanked them, and president obama never asked which s.e.a.l. fired the kill shot and the s.e.a.l.s never volunteered that information. a device the size of my phone here that could save millions of lives. we'll show you straight ahead. as and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. i have a dream today! [ male announcer ] chevrolet is honored to celebrate the unveiling of the washington, d.c., martin luther king jr. memorial. take your seat at the table on august 28th.
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before the break, we told you about a device the size of my phone that could help hundreds of millions of lives. the device is an artificial lung that reached the efficiencies of a human organ. it could breathe air. and its small size makes it possible to be implanted into the 200 million suffering from lung disease. this is no small feat. a human would have to actually lay in one of these, and in many ways we can fit that in the palm of our hands now. the artificial lung lead researchers, professor of electrical engineering. thank you for talking about this on today's big i.
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>> it basically works like the natural human lung does. you have a set of two channels. on one side of the device there's a series of blood channels and on the other side air channels, and separated by a thin membrane. you take deoxygen yated blood. >> do you have it with you where you could show us a little bit? >> so yeah, i brought -- this is our prototype device. it's a small-scale prototype. i am not sure if you can see it on camera. this is very small right now, but we have a large way to go to scale it up to be able to use in humans. >> so you have tested this on animals. when might it be used in humans? >> so far we tested this with
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human blood -- sorry, animal blood and human tests are about eight to ten years away. >> how exactly will it be powered? can you explain that just a little bit? >> sure. so this device will be powered by the natural heart. we're designing it so it has a resistance that is similar who is really the target audience for something like this device? who can it help? >> this work is funded by the department of veteran affairs. my goal is to help veterans with that. but it's obviously applicable to anyone with severe lung disease, acute or chronic lung disease. >> could this help someone who might be waiting for a lung transplant or someone who has had lung cancer, even? >> absolutely. so it could be used in short-term surgeries such as heart/lung machines, cardiopulmonary bypass, a portable unit for that.
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it could be used for short-term support to help the lung heal. and like you said, it could be used for a bridge to transplant-type device. >> how long does something like this last? once you put it in, will it last a lifetime for someone? >> we're still -- we still have a long way to go to achieve that. we're working on improving the biocompatibility right now. but initially this would be applications with short-term surgeries and then we're looking to extend the lifetime to hopefully months at a time. >> what about the report that is scientists are actually looking and hoping to grow a human lung? is this an in-between step until we get there? >> yeah, if they can do that, i believe that work is still in the early stages. if they can do that, that would be extraordinary. this would probably be an intermediate step until we're able to achieve being able to grow a custom natural lung.
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>> do you feel like you're on to something really big here? >> i hope so. we're encouraged by the results. we hope to bring to it the clinical setting and help people. >> professor, thank you very much. appreciate your time. very interesting product that you have there. for much more about the artificial lung, check out my facebook page. michele bachmann did not vote to increase the debt ceiling. and she wants you to know that she is very proud of that fact. wolf blitzer joins us for a political ticker right after the break. [ male announcer ] imagine all of your missed opportunities in one place. ♪ the front-row tickets you never bought. the lucrative investment you never made. the exotic vacation you never took. but there's one opportunity that's too good to miss.
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after signing into law a bill to raise the country's debt ceiling, president obama will hit the road. wolf blitzer joins me now from the political desk in washington. hi, there, wolf. the president will once again be talking about jobs, i assume? >> of course that's going to be issue number one, not just today or tomorrow but over the course of this long campaign leading up to november of 2012. the president is heading to chicago, celebrating his 50th birthday. his birthday is actually tomorrow. but on the eve of his birthday, he's going to be doing some fund-raising in chicago. the white house did announce starting on august 15th, that's not that far down the road, he's going on a bus tour across the
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midwest, sort of reminds me of the bus tour that bill clinton and al gore did when they were seeking reelection back in '95-'96. it's going to be a fascinating bus trip. we don't know yet where he's going. they haven't announced the stops he's going to. no doubt he's trying to shore-up support in a swing state like ohio, to be sure, maybe iowa, wisconsin, minnesota. i don't know where he's going to go. but some of those states likely, maybe in pennsylvania, which is critically important to his reelection. as you know, a couple of other political nuggets i want to get through, sarah palin who has not yet announced whether she's running, possibly she will. she did take a swipe at mitt romney, arguably the republican presidential frontrunner last night on fox. she hit him because he was so late, she said, in deciding whether or not he would support the debt ceiling agreement. i do not have respect for what
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he said in this debate. he waited until it was a done deal. then he came out and make a statement he didn't like the deal after all. you can't defer an issue and assume the problem is going to be avoided. a swipe from sarah palin against mitt romney. she did praise to a certain degree michele bachmann for coming out early and often against any debt ceiling raising. bachmann is using her stance in iowa in another tv set of commercials, she's going out there in iowa, telling the various caucusgoers she never liked the deal to begin with. she says barack obama has driven the economy into a ditch. she says, it's time to balance the budget and pay down the difference, i mean it and you can believe it. the straw poll, august 13th, two days before the president begins his bus tour across the midwest. so a lot of politics. we're going to pivot now, randi, from covering this debt ceiling crisis to a little bit more politics, gearing ready for
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what's going to happen in the republican presidential campaign. as you know, no democrat's come forward and chjed president obama for the democratic presidential nomination. he's got a free ride for now. >> your next update from the best political team on television is just an hour away. a new hour starts with an anguished plea from the secretary of transportation. ray lahood wants congress to get moving. >> that's why i'm here. i'm calling them back. come back to washington, leave your vacations, just for a couple of hours, come back, congress. help your friends and neighbors get back to work. >> if you thought all was well after washington steered clear of default, think again. the standstill lahood is so livid about is the failure of congress.
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faa employees are working unpaid and millions of dollars in taxes aren't being collected at least until labor day. all the while fears of another recession are driving stocks into historic slumps. the dow seemed to be on track, but started heading upward in the last few minutes. allysiso alison kos sick at the york stock exchange. >> reporter: it is coming back a bit. after the white house said a few moments ago it does not expect the economy is going to fall back into a recession but as the market sees there are challenges and as the dow trades solidly below the 12,000 mark. and yesterday, the s&p 500 fell into negative territory for the year. and many of the 401(k)s closely
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mirror that. the nasdaq is also near that break-even level right now. the debt deal is behind us now. so the focus is all about what's happening in the broader economy. and americans are worried about what kind of direction the recovery is headed or lack of a recovery. we learned earlier that the service sector, where 80% of americans get their paycheck, that weekend in june. you add to that a report showing people are spending less and saving more, something in theory, it's good for people to save money. but this time around, the reason is not so good because they're worried about job security. they're not sure where the economy is headed. what we really need is to see people have confidence in their personal financial situation and actually pump money into the economy. the traders i talk to despite what the house says, they're very concerned. i'm hearing more talk from people here at the new york stock exchange that we could be headed for a double-dip recession. many prominent economists are also raising the odds that the economy will fall back into a
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recession even though most of them are hedging that a bit and still saying it's unlikely to happen. >> but even just the talk of a double-dip recession certainly is going to have investors spooked, right? >> reporter: exactly. and that's why you see the numbers fluctuating as much as they have today. that's why you see the 266-point drop on the dow that we saw yesterday. it's because all of these economic reports are indicators, like gdp, that's the best measure of overall growth of the economy, that's weak. manufacturing is weak. consumer spending is weak. activity in the service sector is weak. and this is why there is this sort of belief, this underlying belief, these whispers that are growing louder about whether or not we could be headed for another recession, whether or not that's the case, i hate to use the fraphrase, but only tim will tell. now back to the funding stand-off that's costing thousands of government woeshgz their paychecks and costing the government itself some $30
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million a day in uncollected airline taxes. kate bolduan is on capitol hill. and transportation secretary ray lahood came out today with some pretty strong words. he wants members to get back to work pronto. is there any sign that that might actually happen? >> reporter: not quite yet. and we've been asking. but as you know, up here things can change very quickly. we'll keep tabs on that. but this is a fight that has been brewing but largely overshadowed recently by the debt ceiling debate but is now out in the public, this being a battle over funding for the faa. there seems to be the issues of this fight are twofold. a short-term extension in funding and a long-term funding package for the faa. it's but it's coming down to a ideological fight. democrats support union efforts. republicans very generally oppose union efforts.
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listen here to senate majority leader, the top democrat in the senate, harry reid, earlier today when i asked him about the short-term extension that's on the table. why not just accept this short-term and live to fight another day -- >> live to fight another day in september 15th and -- what will the hostages be then? this is a subterfuge for the number one issue. they refuse to go to conference unless there's a prearrangement that they've issued legally within the confines of the law, we're not willing to do that. this issue has nothing to do with essential air service. it has everything to do with a labor dispute between airlines and the american worker. >> reporter: digging into this just a little bit more, randi, this is what's going on here. house republicans are pushing a
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provision in this funding fight that would reverse a recent change to federal regulation that would make it easier for unions to organize in airlines. and republicans are trying to reverse that. democrats are fighting very hard against that. organized labor, unions support the democratic members of cook. a lot of finger-pointing. democrats at republicans, republicans at democrats. it doesn't seem at this late date as we have missed the deadline on this one to pass some funding extension that no one is blinking quite yet. democrats are trying to push a clean extension. republicans are opposing that and it's going back and forth and back and forth. >> is the dispute really about rural airports or is it about labor rights? >> reporter: the rural airport part of this has to do with the short-term extension. this is very complex. what i'm hearing is that it is not about the rural airports, at
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least democrats say it has nothing to do with that. they say that's just kind of a proxy fight, if you will, for this dispute over labor rights anunion rights. they say it has nothing to do with the rural airports and subsidies for rural airports which is part of the short-term extension. of course this is becoming a bit of a messy fight and a lot of members are simply out of town. >> a messy fight with a very clear explanation from you. this just in, the prosecution has rested its case in the sexual assault trial of polygamous leader warren jeffs. gary tuchman is coming out of court. we'll go to him live as soon as he gets to the camera. longest-lasting dep, full-size truck on the road or because heavy duty made motor trend's 2011 truck of the year. no, it was good because you told us so. consider this a thank-you. the chevy model year wrap up. get in on our greatest model year yet.
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under the newly signed debt ceiling agreement, unemployment benefits will not be extended. so with the official unemployment rate at 9.2%, some of the 25 million americans out of work will be getting squeezed. today we take an in-depth look at whether the debt deal will mean more job cuts. sandra endo joins me from an unemployment center in los angeles. sandra, how do to people there think the debt deal might impact them? >> reporter: well, randi, i can tell you the debt deal obviously averted a massive default for the country, but it's not creating any jobs. and, in fact, with the spending cuts in the deal, a lot of people here who are looking for work say it actually may make jobs even harder for them to find and that may mean less jobs out there in the workplace. and some people here dianeri has been out of work for two years now. what's the process been like
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trying to find a job? >> it's been very overwhelming. i've been looking for two years and i still haven't found one. >> reporter: you're just looking for an enentry level job, anything to pay the bills? >> yes. but they want people with experience and i don't have any. >> reporter: and you're finding more people with more experience out of work applying for the jobs you're looking for? >> yes. and they have a better chance of getting it than me. >> reporter: very tough situation. good luck out there. let's talk to steve who runs this place. you've seen people come in and out of here every day. how is the debt deal affecting people looking for a job? >> well, i think it affects them negatively because it creates a lot of uncertainty in the economy. you have small business owners that want to hire people but they are not sure whether the demand for their goods and services are going to be. so they're hesitant to hire people, which creates more unemployment. >> reporter: there could be less jobs out there, even layoffs, perhaps? >> less jobs, layoffs.
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all contributed by the uncertainty going on in washington right now. >> reporter: we'll see where the spending cuts actually fall. but give some advice, some tips for people who are looking for a job? >> well, i think they should definitely access our center such as ours. we have 18 centers operated within the city of los angeles and 13 operated within the county of los angeles. so there are definitely services out there to help people look for work. >> reporter: any other tips or advice? >> yeah. obviously new training and in-demand occupations would be quite beneficial. we do have services that work towards that. and also they may wish to consider unpaid work experience so that they can get a toehold in the industry they like. >> reporter: steve, thank you very much. i know you're very busy here at this job center.
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you can see people are beefing up their resumes, looking at job da databanks, sending out resumes. it's a long, arduous process. but millions of americans are in their similar situations. and so that's good advice from steve. as people are out there looking for work. randi? >> sandra endo, appreciate it. thank you for that story. the prosecution has just rested its case in the sexual assault trial of polygamous sect leader warren jeffs. gary tuchman joins me now. what happened there today? >> reporter: the key piece of evidence just shown to the jury, actually the jury just listened to it. it was all audiotape of a 50-year-old man allegedly having sexual intercourse with a 12-year-old girl. it was very hard to listen to, it was disgusting, it was vile. but it was key for this prosecution trying to prove that
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warren jeffs, the leader of the largest polygamous sect in north america, is legally responsible for sexually assaulting this whop. warren jeffs doesn't deny he married this girl or that he had sex with her. he's objected to different things about 80 or 90 times during this trial, that this violates his religious freedom. but the tape was 20 minutes long. you hear warren jeffs going to this 12-year-old girl. he says, that feels good. and he asked her, how does that feel, and she said in a little girl voice, how do you feel? and she said, i feel fine. this girl was described earlier in the trial -- a little girl with red hair and freckles that she looks like pip pi longstocking. >> how did d jury respond to
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this? >> reporter: it was tough for the jury. one juror, a female juror, there were tears coming from her eyes. she was wiping her eyes with a kleenex. others looked appalled. what's important is warren jeffs has not denied any of this. this is very important. you can't, no matter what religion or what kind of leader you are, even if you say you're a prophet, you can't say in the united states, i can do whatever i want with children. that is not allowed in any way, shape or form. >> now that the prosecution has rested, he'll pick it up from here. how much longer might this trial last? >> reporter: we don't know because warren jeffs, there is no indication -- he doesn't know how to be an attorney. but he has legal advisers. he indicated minutes ago he may call a witness or witnesses on this behalf. this trial has been a circus. but we'll know at 4:00 eastern
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time when court resumes. but we think it will go to the jury sometime today. >> today. gary, thanks for bringing us up to date. disturbing details. we appreciate it. thousands of troops are expected to return home from afghanistan over the next year. but there is still work left to be done. jason carroll shows us some of the challenges still facing u.s. troops in afghanistan. luther ki] i still have a dream that one day on the red hills of georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. i have a dream today! [ male announcer ] chevrolet is honored to celebrate the unveiling of the washington, d.c., martin luther king jr. memorial. take your seat at the table on august 28th. what if we designed an electric motorcycle? what if we turned trash into surfboards? whatever your what if is,
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first sergeant randy shorter was one of thousands of soldiers sent to afghanistan as part of last year's troop surge.
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his deployment is coming to an end. but before he returns home, shorter wants to do everything he can to finish the job. as part of an exclusive week-long series by jason carroll, he goes out with shorter and his men on one of their final missions. >> you guys ready? let's go. >> reporter: this village in southern afghanistan is a known safe haven for insurgents. >> that was a nervous feeling whenever you come to this village. >> reporter: just days ago, these soldiers came under fire. first sergeant randy shorter and his men are back. on one of their final missions. >> we're clear. >> reporter: we just clear that had area? >> we cleared the two main structures. now we're engaging the elders who live here. >> reporter: that's pretty intense. >> it is.
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>> this is the last time in the states. >> reporter: it was august of last year when we first met shorter, just one of thousands of soldiers at ft. campbell, kentucky, having to say good-bye, part of the so-called surge into afghanistan, shorter was leaving behind his wife and two girls. for this fourth deployment, his second two afghanistan. >> whether it's one week, one day, doesn't matter, saying good-bye is heart. >> reporter: shorter will soon see his family again. but first -- finishing the job, after hundreds of missions rooting out insurgents and reclaiming villages once under taliban control, shorter's deployment is coming to an end. >> i brought friends with me. >> reporter: one of the biggest challenges before leaving, making sure the afghan army and aup can lead security before more soldiers like shorter pull out as part of the expected drawdown in u.s. forces.
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>> little rough spots in the beginning. but they're coming along. trying to get the afghan uniform police to take the lead. it only takes a few minutes and they kind of catch on. >> reporter: shorter is confident in how he has trained his afghan counterpart, police commander sahid. he tells me he still worries about fewer u.s. troops. are you leaving feeling like you've done all that you can do? >> jason, at first, i felt like i didn't do enough. i can't change all of afghanistan. if i did one small piece, i did my part. >> jason carroll joins us live in new york. many questions about whether the afghan police and the afghan army are ready. based on what you've seen, are they ready? >> reporter: that's a good question. i was there last august.
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and definitely there was a lot of work that needed to be done with the afghan police and afghan army. but since being back and seeing how shorter has worked with them and the other soldiers who were there, i've seen some improvement. i think some of the soldiers would readily admit they've seen improvements as well. but having said that, there's still a ways to go with some of the police -- afghan police who are there on the ground. >> jason carroll, thank you, appreciate that series. we want to take you now to listen to some sound that we just got in, just happened moments ago. president obama speaking with his cabinet at a meeting that is under way right now, speaking about the debt ceiling and some other topics. let's listen to what he had to say. >> and we now have a committee process in congress that is charged to find additional savings. it's going to be challenging work and i'm encouraging congress to take it with the utmost seriousness. in the meantime, the american
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people have been continuing to worry about the underlying state of the economy, about jobs, about their wages, about reduced hours, about fewer customers. the economy is still weakened, partly because of some things we couldn't control, like the japanese earthquake and the situation in europe, as well as the arab spring and its effect on oil prices. unfortunately the debt ceiling crisis over the last month has had an unnecessary negative impact on the economy here as well. so i'm meeting with my cabinet here to make sure that even as they have been throughout these last several weeks, they are redoubling their efforts to focus on what matters most to the american people, and that is, how are we going to put people back to work? how are we going to raise their wages, increase their security?
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how are we going to make sure they recover fully as families and as communities from the worst recession we've had since the great depression? a good example of how undone work here in washington can have an adverse impact on that economy is what's going on with the federal aviation administration. and i'm going to be hearing from ray lahood about the situation that is looming as a consequence of congress not acting. some of you may be aware of the fact that the faa routinely gets its authorities extended through congress. it's happened 20 times since 2007. this time congress has decided to play some politics with it, and as a consequence, they left town without getting this extension done. here's what this means -- thousands of faa workers being
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furloughed, including safety inspectors. it also means projects all across the country involving tens of thousands of construction workers being suspended because congress didn't get its work done. and that means folks who are on construction site, doing work, bringing home a paycheck now potentially find themselves going home without one and important projects all across the country are left undone. here's what also happens. it turns out that this extension gives the authority to collect fees from airlines. the airlines are still collecting these fees because it's priced into their tickets. but they're not turning them over to the federal government. and the federal government stands to lose $200 million a week. that would be $1 billion at a time when we're worrying about how we pay for everything from education to head start.
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and we don't anticipate it's going to be easy to get that money back, even though the airlines are collecting it. they're keeping it. so this is a lose-lose-lose situation that can be easily solved if congress gets back into town and does its job. and they don't even have to come back into town. the house and the senate could through a procedural agreement basically do this through unanimous consent and they could have the fight that is they want to have when they get back. don't put the livelihoods of thousands of people at risk. don't put projects at risk and don't let $1 billion at a time when we're scrambling for every dollar we can get left on the table because congress did not act. so i'm urging the house and the senate to take care of this. this is an example of a self-inflicted wound that is unnecessary. and my expectation, and i think
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the american people's expectation, is that this gets resolved before the end of this week. all right? thank you very much, everybody. thank you. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> i've made calls to key leaders. and i am urging them to get this done. but this is -- as i said -- not the kind of situation that is complicated. all they have to do is do what they've done 20 times since 2007. there's not a big issue in terms of drafting legislation or arguing about the details of policy. just do what they've done in the past to make sure that these folks are on the job, including looking after the safety of our airlines. all right? thank you very much. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> i'm going to get advice from some around the table about how to handle this milestone.
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>> and there you have it. president obama speaking with the members of his cabinet, certainly talking about jobs, wages, higher wages, people getting back to work. he's now shifted his focus to that. the goal of the meeting, he said, was to make sure they're redoubling efforts to get people back on the job. the faa shutdown, we've talked about that today, he's going to meat with the transportation secretary, ray lahood. he jointed fingers at congress going on vacation. he did give congress a pass and he said, you don't have to come back to work, you can fix it while you're on vacation and then fight about it when you come back to washington. we'll continue to follow that faa story for you and all of those people out of work joining the many, many others.
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shocking, it is a word that is overused in the news business. but sadly it is exactly what our next story is. horrific, another word. a california man beaten to his death allegedly by police officers in front of a group of people on a city street. people are sickened by what they saw and they want answers. i'm talking with the d.a.'s office investigating right after this break. it has microparticles, enters the bloodstream faster and rushes relief to the site of pain. it's clinically proven to relieve pain twice as fast. new bayer advanced aspirin. ♪ [ recorded voice ] onstar. we're looking for city hall. i'm sending directions to your car. [ recorded voice #2 ] turn right on hill street.
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i want to warn you, the story that i'm about to share with you is tough. the image you will see is graphic. the event, brew l. it has already sporkarked an ouy this los angeles. a homeless man, schizophrenic, beaten to death, his head slammed with a flashlight. again, a warning before we show you this photo, this is what happened to kelly thomas.
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strangers who watched helpless say the violent aftereffects you see here happened at the hands of six fullerton, california, police officers. according to the "los angeles times," this all began when police got a call that someone was trying to break into cars. officers reportedly found things in thomas' backpack that didn't belong to him. police say thomas tried to run and resisted them. but i want you to watch what just one observer recorded as police responded.
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>> he's down on the ground already. >> you just heard thomas, the victim, screaming for his dad who happens to be a former orange county sheriff's deputy. those were among kelly thomas' last words before he fell into a coma. he died of his injuries that we showed you five days later. thomas' dad, ron thomas, as we just said, was a former sheriff's deputy, speaking about his son's death. he told reporters at a protest, his death was gang-involved, a gang of rogue officers who brutally beat my son to death. the only thing we have left of our son is the blood in the gutter, that's all we have left. that's his quote. we'll hear from the orange county d.a.'s office in just a moment. we reached out to the fullerton police department. their spokesperson agreed he would do an interview on air. but at the last minute, the fullerton police department backed out of their interview
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with us and issued this brief statement from police chief michael sellers who says, this is tragic for our community, we are in the midst of an investigation. in a previous press release, the department says, quote, immediate after the incident, fullerton police requested the orange county district attorney to take over the investigation. the department believes it is in the best interest of everyone, the police department, mr. thomas' family, and the if you rememberton community as a whole to have a thorough and independent investigation conducted by an outside agency. let's bring in susan kang schroder, the chief of staff at the orange county d.a.'s office. thank you for coming on the program. the way these officers appear to have responded in this case was absolutely brutal. honestly, it's very hard to watch that video and certainly to look at that young man's picture. where are you in this investigation? >> well, as a parent, anybody who hears what mr. thomas said,
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your heart goes out to the family. and unfortunately nothing will bring mr. thomas back. but we have to make sure we do a thorough and fair and a complete investigation. we have assigned more than two dozen police officers in our agency to investigate this case. our district attorney has made it very clear, it's a priority in this case. and we have interviewed over 80 witnesses. we will probably interview more than 100 when we're all said and done. and we're awaiting some important scientific information such as toxicology reports and also the autopsy report which will determine the cause of death. >> any idea when you might get that autopsy report? >> we don't know yet. but we have a lot of investigation left to do. we will make sure that the truth will come out. and the truth will come out in one of two ways. if there is a trial and there
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are charges filed, the truth will come out during the trial. if for whatever reason, charges are not filed, the office will issue a complete, fact-finding report that describes everything that happened, all the laws that apply to this case and why we made the decision not to file. we haven't made up our mind. there's still a lot of investigation left to do. >> i want to ask you about these videos. we played one of them earlier. there are some other videos that people there who claim to be witnesses, videos that they've taken that your office is not releasing despite requests by city council members to do so. why is that? >> if there is a trial, the witnesses who come to testify will be under cross-examination that what they are testifying to -- they're testifying based on what they saw, not what they saw in the media. we want to make sure the truth comes out. if we release videos and may
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suggest to witnesses that came forward and we're still seeking witnesses to come forward to testify to what they saw in the media rather than what they actually saw and what the truth is. >> and can you tell us even though you're not going to release the videos and show the video, can you give us any insight as to what might be on them? >> i can tell you, it was a video that was taken at the depot. and it was controlled by the fullerton police department. there are things that you can see and there's things you can't. there are many -- your heart -- your heart is sad watching what happens in the case. what we have to be objective and decide the case based upon the facts. >> i understand you have to be objective. but you look at the video, you look at what appears to be happening there, you look at that man lying in that hospital bed, he's unrecognizable, quite frankly. what will it take -- what does
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it take to bring chargeses in this case? >> i don't want to talk about what it will take because it will make it look like we've already predetermined what decisions we're going to make. i can tell you that it will be reviewed tat highest levels, the district attorney is going to make the final call. and it will be based upon the facts and the evidence and the laws that apply in this case. not by public sentiment and not by any pressure by anyone. >> let me ask you this -- we certainly know there are six officers that were allegedly involved in this. are there any other suspects? >> well, i don't want to call anyone a suspect. what i can tell you -- >> is anyone else being questioned as playing a role in the beating itself? >> we are investigating and conducting interviews with many, many people, like i said.
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we will be investigating and interviewing approximately 100 witnesses. and we certainly would want anyone who has any information on this, anything they observed, to come forward and tell the d.a.'s office what they saw and observed that night. >> susan kang schroder, we appreciate you coming on and talking about this. it is just a brutal story and really just heartbreaking, honestly. we wanted to bring to it our viewer and we're glad you did make the time to give us some new information and join us on the show today. thank you. >> thank you. an nfl player has been rushed to the hospital in the middle of practice. we'll have the details for you next. the bundler. let's say you need home and auto insurance. you give us your information once, online... [ whirring and beeping ] [ ding! ] and we give you a discount on both. sort of like two in one. how did you guys think of that? it just came to us.
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72 people have been charged in an online global child pornography ring. according to the u.s. attorney general's office, 52 of those charges have been arrested -- 52 of those charged have been arrested. the charges stem from an investigation launched in
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december 2009 that targeted more than 500 individuals around the world. those accused allegedly took part in a private members only online bulletin board operated to promote pedophilia and encourage sexual abuse of very young children. mike patterson collapsed from a seizure on the practice field today. he was take ton the hospital for testing. it's unknown whether it was heat related. the state of texas rests its case today in the sexual assault trial of polygamous sect leader warren jeffs. last night, the jury heard audio recordings that prosecutors said showed jeffs instructing a 14-year-old victim and his other young wives on how to sexually please him in order to win god's favor. jeffs, who is representing himself, repeatedly objected to the playing of the recordings. the judge overruled him every
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actually happen, was adjourned until august 15th. for years, top pakistani officials insisted they had no idea where osama bin laden might be hiding, despite u.s. intelligence indicating he might be in pakistan. after bin laden was killed by u.s. force a short distance from the pakistani capital, the pakistan officials expressed shock but again denied no knowledge that he was holed up in their back yard. now the former afghan spy chief tells cnn that his spies had leads four years ago about bin laden's whereabouts and shared that information with pakistan. cnn's reporter spoke with him and joins us live from kabul. david, what is the former spy chief saying? >> reporter: well, he's basically saying he knew long ago that osama bin laden was not hiding in pakistan's tribal areas. during a meeting in 2007, he said he presented information reports gathered from a network
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of spies that indicated there were at least two al qaeda safe houses in a town, a short drive from abbottabad where bin laden was killed. musharraf slammed his fist down, could not believe that bin laden could be hiding in such a prominent part of the country and refused to investigate. this is coming from a very high-profile source. . >> that is fascinating. why did the former spy chief step down? did it have anything to do with this? >> reporter: this is not the first time -- he had threatened to step down in prior times, at least two other times.
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and each time, someone came in on his behalf, we're told americans came in on his behalf and told him basically to stay on. this third time, however, he has -- he resigned last year over what he initially described as loyalty issues. in the interview we conducted earlier with saleh, he said that karzai has become, quote, too soft and too concerned with appeasing the taliban. karzai, to his credit, has been searching a way to end this conflict that has spanned nearly ten years now and has been working in terms of, at least from what saleh and others say, working toward negotiation efforts. former secretary gates said initial negotiations were under way with the taliban. but saleh worries this will turn into a power-sharing deal that will fall apart. saleh, if you remember, fought against the taliban during the 1990s during that civil war.
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so he is a staunch anti-taliban fighter and is concerned about the future of his country. >> david, appreciate it. thank you. she was found guilty of killing her children by reason of insanity. now she's remarried and may become a stepmom. should she be allowed to raise kids after killing her own? our stream team weighs in on this topic next. but with copd making it hard to breathe, i thought those days might be over. so my doctor prescribed symbicort. it helps significantly improve my lung function, starting within 5 minutes. symbicort doesn't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms. with symbicort, today i'm breathing better, and that means... game on! symbicort is for copd, including chronic bronchitis and emphysema. it should not be taken more than twice a day. symbicort may increase your risk of lung infections, osteoporosis, and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. [ whistle ]
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we don't normally talk about custody battles on this show. but one fight in oregon is opening up an interesting debate. trisha conlin doesn't want to share custody with her
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ex-husband because his new wife admitted to killing her two children. she was found not guilty by reason of insanity in 1984 and was given ten years of treatment and counseling. yesterday on nbc's "today" show, she described the moment she had to drop off her boys. >> it wasn't easy. it was gut-wrenching. it was -- i don't even have words to describe it, i guess. >> there's another hearing scheduled later this month in the custody case but it opens up a greater debate for our stream team today. convicted murders who have served time, should they be able to get custody of their children? on the show today, sunny hostin, jeff gardere. should convicted murderers be able to get custody of their
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kids? >> i don't think so. and specifically in this case, it's inappropriate. the standard typically, randi, in a child custody case is what is in the best interest of the child? well, i can't imagine that a judge would say it's in the best interest of a child to be in a situation like this, being cared for by a woman who killed her own children. it just doesn't make common sense. and it certainly doesn't make legal sense. i think that the system, once again, fails these children. >> jeff, what's your opinion on this? >> well, i do agree to some extent with sunny that we have to look at the best interest of the child always. but there is a legal issue here. and that is that this woman, talking about christine curbing cushing was found to be not guilty by reason of insanity. she spent four years getting treatment, four years in an institution and another ten
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years being monitored where they cleared her and they said she was in fact no longer mentally ill. therefore the issue becomes when a person is convicted of a crime or even found not guilty of a crime by reason of insanity, if they've been rehabilitated, if they're being monitored, should they have their kids back? and i believe the answer is, yes, they should because if we don't do that, then we are not only breaking the law, but we're saying that there are no second chances for these parents who do rehabilitate themselves. >> sit possible that she's rehabilitated? bottom line, she was found to have been temporarily insane under the legal standard. but let's talk about medicine, let's talk about psychology. somebody that snaps like that, for whatever reason, and they're required four years of treatment, i think i would be a little loath to say this is a person that is cured. you know better than anyone, jeff, that mental illness is not something that is just cured --
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there's no indication that she's being medicated or that she's currently on a treatment plan. in my view, when i look at that sort of circumstance, i don't think it's in the best interest of the child, which is truly the legal standard in this case, to put those children in harm's way. >> it's not a black-and-white issue, obviously. and you have to really feel for trisha having to have her children with someone who actually killed her own two children. that's why i think perhaps the law doesn't need to be involved in this. a judge who ruled that this stepmother is actually fine and sane and she's had custody of the kids since 2008, i think a mediator needs to step in because we have to look at the fact that, yes, this is scary for any parent to have to leave her children with someone. >> the law is there to protect these children. >> would it make any difference if these were her own children, sunny? >> not for me, no, absolutely not. i think it possibly could be even worse. bottom line, she killed her own
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children and imagine if she had more children and then put her under the same stressor, same circumstance, i don't think that i would ever as a judicial officer, take the chance that this could possibly happen again. >> sunny, what you're saying is we have to supersede the law or change the law -- >> you don't have to do that in this case. >> a parent who's been convicted of a crime or found not guilty of a crime by reason of insanity should never -- >> we're talking about this particular type of crime, though, jeff, this particular time of crime. she killed children. >> perhaps for the best interest of the children is to have a relationship with both parents. >> i think we agree the best interest of the children are at the heart of this matter. "cnn newsroom" continues with brooke baldwin right after this quick break. my doctor told me calcium
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