>> randi, do you need more proof that people are angry at congress. check out this poll. do you think your congressman, your representative deserves to be reelected. 49% say no. that is an all-time low for us in our polling. i guess it's more proof that americans are not happy with what's been going on here in washington with the debt ceiling and everything else, randi. >> nobody is happy these days. >> nobody is happy. >> paul, thank you very much. cnn newsroom continues with brooke baldwin. >> randi, thank you very much. hello to all of you. 60 minutes to go here. once again, i sit here and i'm watching the clock right along with you before the markets close here one day after that historic 600-point loss on wall street that we witnessed yesterday. investors are right now reacting to the fed's decision to not touch your interest rates, at least nor two more years. they're saying at least not until mid-2013. you can see the big board, though, the dow is down 95

points. that continues to fluctuate. coming up in a couple of minutes. i'll speak live with the man who ran the government's bank bailout a couple of years ago. by the way, he agrees with the downgrading of the u.s. credit rating. don't miss that conversation with him here. i do want to begin with this. the commander in chief of the u.s. armed forces is at dover air force base in delaware right now. president obama is attending the dignified transfer, right there, that's what the military calls the movement of war fatalities from the place they died back to american soil. those who arrive today are the 30 u.s. and eight afghan troops who died early saturday in the worst single-day loss for american forces in ten years of fighting in afghanistan. i want to talk about what is happening there today at dover

air force base. what we're seeing and also what we're not seeing. barbara starr is live at the pentagon for us. barbara, i know it is a very solemn day for the president, for the u.s. military and for so many families. >> reporter: it is indeed. but the american people, brooke, will not see this news media coverage of this very sad ceremony has basically been banned by the pentagon because they say, quite simply, the remains are unidentified fiebl at this point. so the families who have the right to grant permission for media coverage are unable to do that. they can't grant permission because they don't really know at this point who is in which casket, if you will. but this -- so we're only seeing the president arrive at dover. you're not seeing what you've seen in the past is that very somber ceremony where military pallbearers will remove the transfer case from the plane and very gently, slowly and

respectfully bring it down the ramp in front of the families and then move it on forward for the processing prior to any funeral arrangements. we see the faces, we see the names. so many of them right now as you see right next to me appearing. so the families in many cases have come forward to identify their loved ones to the nation. they want them remembered. but now this afternoon, another wrinkle in all of this. the pentagon says it might decide not for the first time, we think, to officially release the names of the fallen s.e.a.l.s. they belong to a covert unit, special forces. don't want the names out there in public. it's a little bizarre because so many families have put their loved once' names out there. it will be something to watch if the pentagon exceeds to that wish and for the first time does not publicly name its troops fall then battle. brooke? >> who is there, barbara, besides the families, besides the president?

>> reporter: well, the president as you say is there, the secretary of defense, leon panetta. admiral william mckrachb who yesterday took command of the special operations command and in fact, he led the command essentially of the navy seal unit that went after osama bin laden now in charge on a much higher level. but he knows many of these young troops, he knows what they have been through. other members of the joint chiefs of staff, other senior members of the united states military. but it's probably very important to remind everyone, while a lot of attention is focused on this and a lot of dismay that the pictures are not being shown, almost every day there is the return of the remains of the fallen to dover from either the battlefields of afghanistan, the battlefields of iraq. so many times they are brought back very quietly with little public attention. other than their own families. but they come back almost every day on that final journey home.

brooke? >> barbara, do we know why the remains of all 38 people killed early saturday morning are being returned to dover, that 38 number includes those eight afghans. >> reporter: well, to be blunt about it, as the pentagon has explained to us, they're unidentified at the moment. this was a catastrophic helicopter crash. they could not make any ready visual identification on scene. they come back to dover anyhow for that final forensic legal identification. but they just weren't able to make any kind of visual identification. so basically, all sets of remains on board the helicopter are brought home. those afghans, when they are finally identified, they will be returned to afghanistan, they will be returned to their families in afghanistan. but all of this now could take several days while the mortuary specialists at dover work their way through the dna process,

brooke. >> it's an important point you make. these dignified transfers, they happen more often than we like to talk about. barbara starr, thank you so much at the pentagon. neither the president nor his office actually announced today that he would make this trip to dover air force base. cnn's correspondent dan loathian agreed to keep quiet about the president's travel until he arrived around noon today in delaware. dan, tell us a little bit more about that. i know we often sort of keep the president's travel plans wrapped up simply for security reasons. i'm curious if it was at all different today. who asked the press to stay mum and is that unusual? >> reporter: you are correct. there's a lot of times where we have information, for example on an international trip that the president will have coming up in the next few weeks or the next few months, that we are not yet cleared to report on. but it is unusual that there's a

domestic trip that we're told to hold off, not giving details until the president reaches the location. other than perhaps some of these last-minute trips that the president will take here in washington perhaps to go out to a restaurant and so forth. we were told not to report that information this morning and the reason we were given was for security reasons until the president arrived on the ground they did not want the story to get out there. so we chose to abide by that. because they pointed out that it was for security. >> uh-huh. he had an event today. that was canceled, of course, because he's at dover for several hours, i think we should also add. st there through the entire process. when was the last time that the president attended a dignified transfer and how often does he attend them? >> not too often. the last time what i recall was in october of 2009. if you remember, that's when 18 americans were killed in afghanistan, 15 i believe were soldiers, three of them dea agents and the president did

make sort of a late-night trip to dover to pay respects to the remains as they were returned back to the united states. you might recall this happened during a time when the president was still deliberating whether or not to send in additional troops into afghanistan, whether to beef up the u.s. presence in afghanistan. it was a critical time when he went the last time. this being the second time that the president is going or has gone to dover. this time we're told at least according to the reports that we're getting from the scene there, that the president on the tarmac entered two c-17s that had the remains of these fallen and spending some time in both of these c-17s and then following that, spent about 70 minutes or so with family members, about 250 family members, friends and other service members paying respects and talking about the sacrifice

that all of these fallen have made for the united states. >> indeed. what a solemn day for all those families. thinking of them, of course. my thanks to you there at the white house. i'd like to take a couple of minutes and remind you of those being honored today by the president and by the pentagon at dover air force base. servicemen who died early saturday morning in afghanistan. here now, here are the voices of the men, the women, the children who loved them, people who are grieving today. >> he's always loved what he did. he told me he couldn't believe he could do this for a living because he loved it so much. >> i just had a feeling if anything ever did happen to him, it would be en route to something or coming back. >> kevin houston met christopher kelly through kelly's daughters, classmates. the vietnam vet became a mentor and father figure to a boy who always wanted to be a navy seal.

>> one day i showed him my photo album from vietnam, and any time he came over, he asked to see it. >> his best friend came over and told me. he had his head down when i went to the door. i knew right then. >> i've never met somebody that loved to do what he did as much as he. >> gave you the shirt off his back. i mean, he was a really great guy. >> i'm heartbroken. brian was a remarkably gifted, thoughtful, compassionate young man and we're incredibly proud of him. all the other s.e.a.l.s. and brian are our heroes. they are the best of the best. we can never thank them enough for the sacrifice that they have

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guy, he ran the bank bailout, tarp, $700 billion, had to defend that bailout from an often hostile congress and a skeptical american people. knows a thing or two about high finance. he's managing director for pem koe. neil, good to have you on. i'm sure you've seen the fed statement. they expect a slower recovery. i'm quoting here, part of the statement, talking about a downside risk to the economic outlook have increased. also signaling that it plans to keep interest rates very low, zero to quarter percent through 2013. given the fact that the rates are at rock bottom pretty much, what else and should -- what should the fed be doing to try to jolt our economy? >> i think that the feds' tools are limited. for the last couple of years, they've been very aggressive in flooding the economy with money to try to stimulate economic growth. part of the reason the markets

are reacting violently is the market realized that the short term stimulus measures have not led to long-term economic growth. the fed is doing whatever it can do at this point now, it's up to congress and the executive branch to make structural changes in our economy to stimulate long-term economic growth, but right now washington has said, we're completely dysfunctional. you can't look to us for any leadership. so the markets are realizing that they're not going to get an answer from washington. on some sense the markets are on their own. >> so quickly, you don't think a quick cash injection would help long-term? >> i don't think that the fed just simply expanding their balance sheet from here will automatically lead to long-term economic growth and bring down our terrible unemployment rate. for 30 years, our economy took on more -- go ahead. >> a wanted to jump in about the downgrade. this is as you know, interconnected. from what i've read, you seechl to be one of the few people that

think s&p, the downgrade down to aa-plus thinks s&p got it right when they lowered america's credit rating friday. am i reading that right? is that essentially how you feel? >> well, i think that if you look at unsustainable debt and deficit situation today and it's growing, it's going to get bigger and bigger from here and washington has said that we're not willing, they're not willing to make tough choices to get our fiscal house in order, it's hard for me to disagree with s&p's conclusions. for decade, we've enjoyed being the rock solid risk-free investment that the whole global economy is built on and now we're taking that for granted. so s&p is calling washington to action to say you need to take this seriously, simply kicking the can down the road is not good enough. >> last month you predicted a drop in the government's credit rating. it could actually be bad, maybe even worse as the collapse

lehman brothers. was the prediction wrong or are we in, dare i ask? >> i think it will take a long time for the markets to fully digest what the downgrade means. there are short term factors, long-term factors, direct and indirect factors. most importantly is what do investors around the world decide to do with their money. so the chinese government as an example and other governments around the world have been investing in treasuries enabling the u.s. economy to borrow very cheaply. they're now on alert that their money may not be as rock solid as they thought it was and they're likely going to continue to diversify away from dollars and away from treasuries. that could drive up borrowing costs for the u.s. government, for homeowners, for students borrowing loans to go to college. all that of can affect our economy. it's going to take us months, if not years to fully understand what this downgrade means for our economic outlook. >> i think a lot of americans probably could relate to those

items you ticked off. parents thinking about kids, thinking about the money they've put a bay way for college that's being whittled away. they're thinking, hang on a second, these corporations, they're sitting on serious cash, you know, they've got money stockpiled, liquidity that they're sitting on. do the companies, do they have a patriotic, i don't know, moral obligation to invest in america, invest right now and by that i mean expand and hire american workers, unemployment down just a smidge to 9.1%. is this a patriotic obligation on behalf of these corporations? >> you know, to some degree yes. but at the same time, i'd hard to ask anybody, a corporation, an individual american to invest their money when they're scared. right now corporations are doing well, as you said they're flush with cash. but they're nervous about the economic outlook in the u.s. and around the world and they're nervous about the dysfunction in washington. we need to remove uncertainty.

they want to invest. we need to create an environment where they have the confidence to invest. >> how do we create that environment? you know a lot of americans would like that money back in the economy. >> absolutely. i think it's going to take real leadership coming out of washington. democrats and republicans making tough choices for the first time in a couple years, getting control of our spending, restructuring our tax code and encouraging long-term economic growth. for the last two years, we've had short term stimulative measures. it's been like a sugar high, making us feel good. as soon as it wears off, we're back to the anemic growth. we need to structurally reform the economy to encourage long-term growth and make us more competitive in the global marketplace. that requires real leadership out of washington. right now, washington has said there's no leadership here, you're on your own. that's why the markets are reacting the way they are. >> i thank you so much for coming on from harrisburg, p.a.

nice to see you. he mentioned washington. both parties guilty, republicans, democrats, playing the blame game here. we have a new poll. new numbers for you from the cnn research poll. here's what it suggests. nearly 60% of americans are not too high on republicans right about now. so coming up next, i'll ask rnc chairman about his party and the contenders challenging president obama. also coming up, this. you remember this? couple of months ago. outrage, anger over wisconsin's budget. the one that took away negotiating rights for unions. today, all eyes back on the state, back on the capitol there as voters are deciding the fate of half a dozen republicans. find out why the recall election is unprecedented and why there's pay lot of involved. ♪ gone, gone away

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joining knee from washington, we're pleased to have chairman of the republican national committee. reince, good to see you. thank you for coming on. let's look at numbers. i don't know if you've seen the numbers. hot off the presses. a brand new opinion research poll. the approval rating of your republican party, sir, dropping eight points. eight points since july 20th. democrats actually up two points. our viewers, you can see the numbers right there. eight points in three weeks' time. reince priebus, to what do we attribute this? the fallout from the debt ceiling debacle? >> well, first of all, i don't know -- i haven't really seen the poll or looked at it too deeply other than the fact that i think it's true. i think people are frustrated with a lot of what goes on in

washington. i think most of all, people are frustrated with a president who continues not to lead in a most important debate in our country. it's not a matter of leadership, brooke, it's a matter of what this president put in place when he's had the opportunities to lead. he's put a budget in place that increased -- that proposed the biggest structural deficit in the history of america. he put in obama care, like $2.5 trillion. >> reince priebus, let's put up the numbers again. you haven't seen the poll. let's pause, you can see them. you can see the numbers here. >> sure. >> do you think the american public is beginning to hold your party accountable? talk about malaise and frustration in some measure here for the state of the economy. you see the numbers there. now versus july. >> okay, brooke, i told you, i think people are frustrated with politics in general. >> you mentioned the president. i'm asking specifically about

your party. >> i think people are frustrated with a lot of people in washington. with the whole structure. i mean, with what's happening with the negotiation this is washington. i don't deny that. i think it's true. i think that americans are starving for real, authentic people to lead this country. people who are not in love with speeches, fundraisers, press conferences like this president. somebody who is going to lead america out of this mess and we have a president who is not a willing partner to have tough conversations like the conversation that paul ryan was willing to have. people who -- your last guest was talking about needing people in washington to make tough choices. >> he was talking about the bickering. >> tough choices. >> a lot of people are talking about bickering. speaking of and here it is, fortuitous we have you on. your home state, voters are

going to the polls today, this is a highly unusual recall election. and today, you have six republican state senators being forced to defend their own seats. next week, there are two democrats who will be under the same gun. is there buyers' remorse in wisconsin with republican/tea party policy making? >> no. i don't think there's any buyers remorse at all. you have a leader in scott walker who asked state employees to pay just a little bit more in pension and healthcare benefits, which was about half of what the rest of the state pays in those benefits. and that's all he did. now, in reaction to that, the public employee unions took $25 million, they put together a petition drive and now they're dumping millions of dollars on television trying to recall the senators for trying to ballet state budget. it's the same type of tough choice that is were made in wisconsin that the republicans

are trying to present to americans in washington about what are the things that we need to do in this country to get our fiscal house in order. the democrats haven't even passed a budget at all. no budget. the reason, brooke, we're having a cr debate over a continuing resolution, you remember this ongoing debate, was because the democrats never even passed a budget. but the republicans passed a budget. >> i remember it was the back and forth. i remember. many people remember and we're continuing to watch. >> brooke, here's the problem. >> go ahmed. final thought. i do want to talk about presidential politics. >> wisconsin, unlike washington, d.c., has a aaa bond rating. because they're getting their fiscal house in order. they didn't punt the football like the folks here, the democrats in washington did. they didn't vilify people like paul ryan who put together serious, intelligent plans to get a fiscal house in order. >> i understand. point made. let's talk presidential

politics. it's a huge week as you know for your party with the iowa straw poll on saturday. are you disappointed that governor mitt romney has chosen not to take part? he ducked out of the iowa straw poll? >> well, i mean, i think it's an important -- i think it's an important measure. i think the straw poll has great historical value and also has value as well to the candidates. you know, all of these presidential candidates and i don't think the field is even all set yet, but they're -- >> you think rick perry is jumping in? >> making decisions on what they want to do in iowa. >> rick perry, is he getting in? >> it sure sounds like it. obviously, he'll make that decision and make his own announcement. reince priebus in washington. thank you, sir. >> thank you. developing right now, cleric sends a rare and disturbing warning to american troops. what he's threatening to do if they don't leave iraq soon. back home a massive manhunt

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this was peckham, south london. this is who they were up against. gangs of masked criminals who had taken over the streets. so you can see the police are running down here in the center of peckham trying to re-establish order. but it's a very, very scary atmosphere. there's huge gangs of kids on the streets. many of them -- many of them -- there's a large amount of damage as well. we're not going to hang around. get out of the way. caught in the middle, terrified young families trying to get home. this was peckham high street, normally choked with traffic, now overwhelmed with rioters who had looted dozens of shops. as night fell, the gangs became even more brazen, nose to nose with the police who were outnumbered. >> those are some of the images dan's crew shot. he is on the phone with me from

east london. dan, i know there's something new on the incident that started owl this violence. i know some of this is copycat violence. talk to me about the fatal shooting of a man from last thursday inside that cab. that was stopped by police. an independent investigation is now saying there's no evidence that that man ever actually shot at police. but that police complaints commission has not said who shot the man or why police stopped the cab. dan, can you clear it up for me? what are you hearing? >> reporter: yeah. i mean, what we know so far is that this man who was stopped by the police on thursday was shot twice. once in the chest, once in the bicep, we understand. he did not discharge his weapon as we're building a picture that he or certainly a gun was recovered at the scene. so that is potentially quite a

problem this evening because that has been the one incident that starts this whole chain of events. now it seems to emerge that this man had not fired at the police and yet, he was shot and killed by police marksmen. we're in east london. that issue of that shooting was brought up again and again by the young people here. but also the wider issue of how the police treat young people in this city and there have been fresh disturbances this evening. nothing on the scale of last night. very low-level. stones and bottles and rocks being thrown and the police rounding up those they think are responsible. >> right. i know police are doubling efforts. it's quieter now. 16,000 members of the force out and about on the streets of london tonight. dan rivers, i appreciate you calling in. now, watch this. >> they walked for 30 days and nights. primarily at night because it was cooler carrying those three kids, sometimes carrying a kid,

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the united nations declared familiar inin five areas of somalia. children, hungry, many too weak to eat the food that will save their lives. according to aide workers, 12 million people in the horn of africa need help just to survive. >> help is coming by the ton. although the ongoing civil war there prevents much of it from

getting through. but the people there, they need it desperately. thousands of them are headed to the world's largest refugee camp. just across the border there in kenya. that is where we find our dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay? >> reporter: brooke, these children are so resilient as well. the question remains, how do you take care of so many people, hundreds of thousands of people in the largest refugee camp in the world. it is not easy, especially with war, especially with the drought, especially with the staggering poverty that we talk about. we give you an idea through the story of a father's love for his boys. what you're looking at may best be described as the most desperate place on earth. vulnerable children, thick with misery. the other thing you can tell right away, when you see a little baby over here. if you take a look here. the baby's fontanelle, it's so sunken in, this is what happens when babies have no food or

water. so dehydrated. basic, basic necessities. so hard to come by. dust and starvation nearly everywhere you look. this is also what happens when you're at the world's largest refugee camp. all these folks waiting to see one doctor here. as you look at these images, consider this simple fact. these are the lucky ones. lucky because they made it here at all. this family of five made it out of somalia just yesterday. came out here to the middle of the desert to give you a real idea of what this family went through. they walked for 30 days and 30 nights, primarily at night because it was cooler carrying the three kids. sometimes carrying a kid, going back and getting another kid and doing this over and over again in the desert. 30 nights' worth. they crossed the border and then

they get robbed. bandits take what little possessions they actually have. but the bandits didn't take this father's dream. and his drive to keep his kids alive. it's not going to be easy. so this is another thing you see here quite a bit. this child obviously, three months old, looking very listless, not active at all. look at this breathing specifically. breathing with his abdomen. not so much with his chest. this is something that's very tiring for a baby. he also has whooping cough, pertussis because he was never vaccinated either. he will need a hospital, oxygen, antibiotics and yes, food and water. all of it may come too late. so painful to realize that every single one of his ailments could have been prevented. unfortunately, though, that hardly ever happens in the most desperate places on earth. brooke, the numbers still continue to increase. they expect 2,000 people a day to be coming into this camp.

extraordinary numbers. there have been some signs of improvement. they had more resources in the camps. they're starting to get more of a structure to the camps as well. but the real key, they good to take -- got to take some of the supplies and put them in somalia with the people o who need them the most. they don't have to make these difficult treks. >> dr. gupta, thank you so much. we'll see you and anderson at 8:00 eastern tonight. parents for you, do you have a child coming home from school saying he's getting picked on because they're too tall, too short, too skinny, maybe too fat? the government doesn't officially consider that bullying, did you know? wait until you hear how one group is trying to change that and why some believe michelle obama's let's move campaign may be making it worse for obese children. we're back in 70 seconds.

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>> i love now by the way back in the fifth grade, i got picked on. seventh grade, forget it. you couldn't pay me enough to go back then. bullies can be mean, did you know, federal legislation written just last year only protects kids from bullies who pick on them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation. but height and weight, they don't count. the national association to advance fat acceptance says that must change. >> studies indicate children of higher body weight are 65% more likely to be bullied than children of lower body weight. >> the proposed legislation would require schools to adopt anti-bullying codes if they want to keep getting federal funds. i want to talk a lit bit more about this with our cnn education contributor steve perry who's on the phone with me. and steve, why were weight and weight not already protected here?

>> the fact is that kids bully other kids, not because of the way the other kids look but because of the way they feel about themselves. and we can go too far, because it's height, it's weight, it's hair color, it's anything that differentiates one child from the another that makes that -- it's being smart, it's being rich, it's being poor, it's being everything. the point is, if our objective is to protect children from bullies, what we need to do is anytime a child feels or anytime the adults who are supposed to be responsible feel that a child is being picked on, it doesn't matter why. just that they are being picked on is enough. >> michelle obama, her whole let's move campaign is actually making matters worse for obese children. have you heard about this? what do you make of that? >> i think is that if you want to be a victim and if you want your people to be seen as a

victim, you can make yourself a vict victim. if this group is really interested in ending the bullying, they can participate in the development of strategies, not the development of more laws. god knows we don't need any more laws on issues such as these. what we need is to educate children to what makes them beautiful, regardless of their size. and yes, you are tall, brooke, and what makes them valuable. and it's who they are. we can't change some things about us, whether it be race or height or in some cases weight. so we need these groups, educators like me, we need these groups to come and be part of the solution. everything cannot be solved in the courts. some things have to be solved from people having conversations. >> i like what you said, it's not just teaching the teacher, it's teaching the parents and children themselves. now to this -- talk about trending over the last two weeks, let's look at the big board. hello.

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>> let's go to washington now have. wolf blitzer, i know a lot of people want to hear that closing bell because finally some good news on wall street today. >> it's about time. we need it badly. a lot of pressure on this supercommittee, 12 member, six democrats, six republicans, six from the house, six from the senate. we're going to have to come up with about $1.5 trillion in cuts by november. and given what the standard & poor ratings agency did as far as the u.s. government credit rating, there's going to be a lot of pressure to come up with some bold initiatives. as you know, as recently as yesterday, the president said there has to be some medicare changes. we need some cuts in medicare presumably. also some increases in taxes, tax revenue, we'll see if this committee comes up with that kind of solution. we should know within a week or so who these 12 members are going to be. a lot of pressure, brooke, on

these 12 members to come up with a plan. a cnn poll, i know you've been talking about this right now, shows that for the first time ever that we've been conducting this poll, only 41% of the american public believes their respective -- there's the bell. >> there we go, the closing bell. we hear it. let me just let everyone know, take a look at the big board. give the numbers a coup of minutes to settle here, in the green, up 421 points. that is some welcome news. as we know, we've been watching the ups and the downs. the whiplash, the historic day yesterday. it hadn't been that low since december of 2008. since the very dark days, during then -- and the recession. wolf, did you have one final thought before i move on? >> my final thought is that a lot of those investors, they regrouped 400 of the 600-point loss yesterday. they can go out and have a little night cap or whatever after work. they can raise their glass to ben bernanke and the federal

reserve. at least he turned it around. on this day, no guarantee what's going to happen tomorrow. but at least 400-point recover vi a nice little boost for them. >> that's right. the fed announcing today they're going to keep that interest rate 0 to quarter percent, right where it is, at least until mid 2013. we'll see what you have going on in "the situation room." i'm brooke baldwin. top of the hour, let's just -- just because we can, guys, let's pull the big board up once again. you can see the dow finishing today in the green. up triple digits in the positive territory, up 4 330 points, goo news after the last two trading days. a high-speed shootout and armed bank robbery. two brothers and their big sister eluding police. state ace cross the country on the lookout.

>> i promise you, we will win and we're going to bring you to justice. plus, six months after this, it's up to the voters of wisconsin to decide the fate of six recalled republicans. i'm explain why millions of dollars have been poured into this massive state battle. america's schools falling short. not making the grade. >> we need to raise the bar and we can't afford to wait. >> whose fault is it? an urgent plea from the top educator in this country. secretary of education, marty duncan is live on my show. the dow is in positive territory. a welcome relief for many of you. the dow, the number still settling. i want to bring my colleague, alison kosik back into the mix. alison, to what do we attribute this?

the fed saying we'll keep the interest rates the same. but it wasn't like they were doing a happy dance? because essentially they're talking about inflation up, unemployment, that's still going to gradually decline. it wasn't some big magical solution. at one point we saw the dow tup 200 points high erk then it drop 2d 00 points in a matter of minutes. a lot of this volatility came right after the fed came out with its decision and its statement. some traders say wall street was look for a confidence boost and it didn't get it in this statement. it will continue to have give the economy support from its investments.

the bad news, though, the central banks sharply downgraded its view of the economy for the third time this year. but back to the good news from the fed, as you said, brooke, it plans to keep interest rates below 0 for another two years. that sent the yield tumbling near an all-time low. s&p downgraded u.s. debt just days ago. brooke? >> no longer that stellar aaa rating, but we'll take the triple-digit increase in the dow this afternoon. alison kosik, thank you. i want to talk more about this fed meeting today. i want to bring in poppy harlow. it sounds like the takeaway is not so much what the fed did as what it said in its assessment of our recovery. >> yeah, we knew, i mean, there was no one doubting they were going to keep interest rates at these exceptionally low levels between 0 and a quarter percent. it's always about this thing, this statement, this press

release. i want to point out some of the key words. they expect a somewhat slower pace of recovery. acknowledging what we are all feeling. they say the unemployment rate will only decline gradually. we've been expecting this for a long time, but they're now acknowledging this. they said the down side risks have increased. the situation has gotten worse. they also went on to point out the fact that a few months ago, we had higher energy prices, higher food prices, but they said that only accounts for some of this slowdown. what they didn't say is that they didn't say that they're launching another program to prop up the economy.

what they didn't say is they would have what we deem in wall street talk qe3 or quantitative easing 3, meaning buying back a lot of bonds in order to prop up the economy. they didn't do that. that would be very, very difficult. so they didn't say that. i thought it was fascinating. you saw the huge selloff after they came out. >> it went down. exactly. and i was talking last hour and said would a quick cash injection help things at all? he said no, not necessarily long term. and you talk about things that were perhaps missing in this statement. i sat here puzzled reading the final line, they will continue to access the economic outlook and prepare to deploy tools as appropriate. what tools are available to the fed to help us in this recovery? >> it's exactly what i was talking about before. something called qe3. essentially saying we're going

to spend even more money. we're going to buy up a bunch of bonds. it's what they did dwies already. the last sort of stimulus program, if you can call it that through monetary policy ended june 30. we didn't see this big decline until the past two weeks. we always have the ability to keep interest rate low. brook, there are those that would argue, policy makers have done so much. are they running out of the ammunition, and is it just us relying on the private sector just like you asked neil, which was spot on. do they have an obligation to spend that cash and hire people? >> he said yes. >> but no one can make them do that. people aren't going to spend and 70% of our growth in this country comes from everyone

watching now, spending money. it is unfortunately this vicious cycle, but i will take that close on wall street today. >> i was about to say. >> we'll take it. >> up 430 points in on the dow. the different picture, a number of us were pontificating the downward slope of the markets yesterday. pob pi harlow. i do want to switch gears and talk a little bit more about a very, very somber happening at an air force base today in delaware. president obama, his defense secretary, his service chiefs, they're all there. military families from all across the country. they're there. they're watching the bodies of 30 u.s. service members returning to the united states. the chinook helicopter went down

early monday in the mountains of afghanistan. barbara starr, tell me more about this ceremony. we call them dignified transfers. what exactly happens. the 22 navy seals, the army crew onboard that flew the second and some afghan troops, they are all now at this hour coming off the aircraft on the runway at dover. very somber ceremony. they are being taken off by military pal bearl bearers in a dignified process. we have seen it on tv before when families have granted permission for these ceremonies to take place. we know what they look like, but we will not see today's events. the pentagon says because the remains are not identifiable, the families are not able to give permission for specific

sets of remains to be seen coming off the plane. the entire ceremony closed to the public. at least 38 sets of remains, and this is now going to be going on for a coup of hourle of hours, told. it will take a long time for all of them to come off the plane. >> why were all 38 bodies. we mentioned the 30 americans, the eight afghans also killed. why are all of them being returned to the united states? >> it's an unusual circumstance. it's a result of the chinook helicopter being shot down on saturday by a suspected rocket-propelled grenade. it was a catastrophic event. the mekt utterly destroyed. and due to the catastrophic nature of the shootdown, basically the remains are not identifiable. so they have to bring them all back, get them all identified and sort it all out. the afghans will be returned home. but we see here, the names, the

faces of the fallen. so many of the families have decided to speak out this week about their loved ones. they want people to know about them. they want them to know about their military service. one of the wrinkles, though, right now is whether the pentagon itself will formally announce the names of the fallen. right now, we're in an unprecedented waters right now. the pentagon may not announce them. they say they want to keep them private because they belong to a covert unit, but the reality is that as we see from these picture, so many families do want their loved ones to be recognized. >> so many of them coming out and speaking and maybe for some of them, it is cathartic. barbara starr at the pentagon, thank you so much. and as the bodies of these service members return home a powerful cleric sends a rare and disturbing warning to american troops. coming up, what he's threatening to do if they don't leave iraq very soon. but up next? >> we need to raise the bar and

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simple. and it has to be confronted and defeated. >> there is new information about the shooting death of after man last week that sparked a lot of this rioting. an independent investigation says there's no evidence the man ever shot at officers. that is likely to inflame the situation. the rioting has claimed its first victim, a man found in a car last night. shot in the head. he later died. and then there's this -- it looks as though a good samaritans -- i say that loosely -- helping a man injured in the rioting here. you saw the guy in the backpack, look a little closer, maybe we'll play it again. those guys were actually distracting him so they could steal things out of his backpack. london. that's what's happening. also a warning from iraq's radical shiite cleric al sadr. he issued a statement in english

saying you should go back to your countries and let us lead a peaceful life together. heavy explosions lighting up the sky there. this is tripoli. our cnn crew shot these images. they say air strikes and secondary explosions continued for about an hour. separately from this, just about 100 miles away, a libyan government spokesperson accuses nay co of air strikes that kill kilned more than 80 civilians. their targets were farm buildings, used as staging areas for forces and have no knowledge of civilian casualties. after nearly 30 grouping hours, trying to become the first person to swim from florida to cuba without a shark cage, diana nyad calling it quits. she's back at home. she explains for herself what went wrong. >> last night at midnight, i was

trembling, the 11 hours of asthma had taken so much from my body that i was absolutely spent. when i found out it would be not only to swim at midnight through the rest of the nighting through this entire day, through this entire night coming up, i just knew that it wasn't mind over matter anymore. i was absolutely spent. >> i say congratulations to her for even trying that feat. dr. sanjay gupta has more. diana nyad, xtreme dream. watch it on cnn. and now to this. you know this phrase -- no child left behind. if there's a school-age child in your life, you know what those words mean. it's the name of the bush era education program. it dates back 2002, signed a level of proficiencproficiency,d stet by each state to every public school in america and held them accountable. here's the issue, no child left behind requires a certain

success value by a year that now isn't too far away from us, 2014. and that standard will not be met by possibly more than 80% of all schools in this country. that's according to the administration. president obama's secretary of education, arnie duncan joining me live from washington. secretary duncan, thanks for coming on. let's begin with -- >> thanks for the opportunity, brooke. >> of some phrases popping up, the fact that the administration by issuing this executive order, letting schools off the hook here. they're offering these waivers. explain how that will work. >> well, basically the law is four years overdue for reform. we're really hoping congress would act in a bipartisan way, a law that was fundamentally broken. the law is far too punitive. many, many ways to fail. basically no rewards for success. for prescriptive, very top down in washington.

none of these things are what our children or our country needs right now. we can't have a law that stands in the way of progress or invasion. -- innovation. we'll work directly with states and where states are doing the right thing, raising the bar, having higher standardsing being thoughtful about teacher and principal evaluation, support, turning around underperforming school, we want to give those states a lot more flexibility. the best ideas in education are never going to come from me and frankly anyone else in washington. they're always going to come at the local level. we need to get this law off of people's back and let people continue to improve at the local level where the real action is. >> as we mentioned, this would be done by an executive order. specifically, i want to ask you about some of these cheating scandals. how much of these decisions were impacted from scandals across

the country. you have teachers trying to teach the test to comply with no child left behind. >> yeah, well, obviously that kind of behavior is very, very disappointing unacceptable. we don't want anyone teaching to the test. all of us have to have integrity in what we do. but honestly, that was no part of our calculation, our decision. >> no part at all? >> 44, 45 state, everybody is asking for relief. everybody is asking for more flexibility. they don't want washington to be so top heavy. when i ran the chicago public schools, i had to come to this building and meet in my conference room and beg the federal government, beg our department of education for the right to tutor my children after school. about 25,000 children wanted to work harder, wanted to have additional tutoring. washington didn't want to give me that flexibility. that made no sense. that lesson stayeded with me. where folks are working hard, doing the right thing by children, they're raising standards, reducing dropout rates, with we're seeing growth and gain, we've got to give folks more room to move.

these are tough economic times. we have to give them room. >> you have chicago, illinois, all the 50 states encouraged to apply for these waivers, essentially waiving the law's pro-forgetcy requirement. but for a waiver to be approved, be specific with me, secretary duncan. what sorts of programs, what sorts of ambitions will the states have to show? >> 44 states have raised standards for every single child. that's an absolute game changer. under no child left behind. unfortunately, many states dummied down standards, reduced them, were actually lying to children, lying to parents because it made politicians look good. it's bad for children, bad for education, bad for the states, ultimately bad for our country. but that happened in far too many places. we've seen a tremendous move in the opposite direction, raising standards. where folks are doing that. where they're being very thou t thoughtful about teacher and evaluation support.

>> you talk about some of the goals -- >> reward high standards. >> forgive me for interrupting. what specifically will these schools have to prove, have to offer to get a waiver? >> we're still working through the final package. we'll announce that package after labor day. where districts and states are focussing on growth and gain rather than absolute test scores, how much are folks improving, we want to work with them. where they're being very thoughtful and creative around teacher and principle evaluation. we want to change the status quo in dropout factory where is 60%, 70% op students are dropping out. that's where we want to partner. we're seeing leadership from states, we want to give them room to continue to move in the right direction. >> i think a lot of people agree with you and a lot of people are thinking about our children and

education should be a priority. but some say you're the letting people off the hook, circumventing the law. this backdoor to proficiency. republicans also, they just throw this at you secretary duncan, republicans are also worried that you're, you know, undermining the house committee's work on the bigger picture of federal education reform. i want you to respond to that and then i have to let you go. how do you explain the temporary relief measure? >> yeah very, very simple again. there will be a high bar here. we will absolutely maintain accountability. data and achievement gaps. anyone who's stepping back on accountabili accountability, we won't partner with them or grant them a waiver. that concern is null and void. we desperately help congress work in a bipartisan way on behalf of children and education in the country. we think this waiver package can be a bridge, a transition. we think congress will come together and do the right thing.

this in no way prohibits them or impedes their progress. in fact, it may be a bit of a road map in terms of where they need to go. the last thing we can do is sit back here and not listen to the outcry we're hearing from teachers and students, parents, administrators, school superintendents, nors. i've talked to probably 35 governors over the past two or three days. every single governor is saying this is the right thing to do. every single one. >> secretary duncan, i would love to follow through with you. a lot of teachers, principals, schools paying close attention to you. thank you so much. and happening right now, a shooting up police cars. the most frightening part here, the feds say these fugitives are not afraid to die. they're leaving these cryptic messages while on the run. i'll talk live to the fbi here in studio about possible leads,

possible leads in the case. we're back in 70 seconds.

three fugitives are on the run and their mother is pleading for them to turn themselves in. brother dylan and ryan, big sis lee grace. look pretty clean cut. let me read to you what lee grace says, i love to farm and shoot guys and wreck cars. i'm a redneck and proud of it. i like milk and german engineering and causing mayhem with my siblings.

mayhem indeed. this trio repeatedly shot at an officer who tried to pull them over for speeding in zephyr hills, florida, on tuesday. take a listen to this. [ gunfire ] >> these three are now suspects in the attempted murder of that police officer. want to show you another image here. these are some of the images of their car. take a good long look. we're told it's a white four door 2006. they robbed a bank in georgia. we have this, these are surveillance photos from inside the bank. the fbi are not exaggerating when they warn these siblings are very well armed and extremely dangerous. everyone, friends, relatives, local sheriff, even their

mother, as i mentioned, are predicting this manhunt will not end peacefully. brian lampkin here with me now is with the atlanta division of the fbi. thank you for coming in. it's been a full week now. >> we follow up on everything we get. right now, the last thing we've seen was valdosta, the robbery in valdosta bank. >> a week ago today. what, ryan, triggered this, do you believe? what their mother is saying? >> it could be a number of things. we have to ask them once we get them in custody, correct. but ryan possibly from a court sentencing that happened the day before, he cut off his ankle bracelet within monitoring and then in a matter of minutes is engaging in the speeding pursuit with the officer firing on them.

>> i heard he is a father, about to be a father? wanted to see his child. perhaps that's why he cut off the ankle bracelet. i guess no one fully knows until you catch them. apparently the deputies said ryan dougherty specifically sent his mother this troubling message after the shooting. here's what he said, at some point, we all have to die. this message this son sends to his mother. meantime, the mother is urging the siblings to give themselves up. watch this. >> only mom knows what good people you are inside. please prove me right and everybody wrong by doing the right thing now and turning yourselves in. >> clearly mom speaking in shadows. doesn't want to be seen or identified. is she cooperating with you all? >> she continues to cooperate with law enforcement.

i couldn't agree more. we want to see them turn themselves in. we do not recommend the public at all, you know, engage them. but treat them with extreme caution. >> the billboards have been plastered all over, armed, extremely dangerous. do you know anything about this home they lived in in zephyr hills, florida. this bunker underground. it was hidden below the property. a sophisticated bunker, two 40-foot cargo containers buried side by side, manmade hallway, running water, electricity. do we know -- >> not particular with that, but we continue to follow up on erg that we develop in the case, whether it's credible or not. >> we'll follow up with you when

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>> unusual time, very unusual in the state of wisconsin. here's what's happening today. you have five republican state senators facing these recall elections. and the thrust of this story goes bar beyond the badger state. ted, first take us back. i remember i was sitting here when this whole thing was percolating a couple of months ago, but remind us how this started. >> in february, of course, thousands of people came to madison from around the states because they were outrage because of what governor scott walker was doing. it was called the budget repair bill, but in that bill was a clause that restricted collective bargaining for unions, for public employees. and that really made a lot of

people angry. and it made democrats angry because unions are the life blood of the democratic party. you have not only funding through unions that help campaign finances, but also unions can bring out the vote. this was an attack and a war that was being waged here and it was still going on. at the time in february, the big threat was, well, we're going to get you guys with recalls. here we are. today, six senators are being subjected to recall elections. they're fighting for their jobs today. voters are going to the polls to basically say should you stay or should you go? and it all stems from last february and all the anger that surrounded that. >> but here's the other slice of this story, the money angle. we have heard, ted, that $30 million from all around the country has been pumped into campaigning. $30 million. why are these recalls, ted -- put this in perspective. why are they so important to democrats and republicans

nationally speaking? >> yeah, i mean, it's -- the estimate is about $30 million and $40 million. it's an extraordinary amount of money for wisconsin state lawmakers. we're talking about small towns up in northern wisconsin where candidates normally go to the 7-eleven to get votes. now they have these fancy kmesh -- commercials all financed from out of state. it's a colossal fight between republicans and democrats and the unions are at the center of it. democrats want to send a message to other states around the country thinking about doing this, don't try it because you'll lose your jobs is. look what happened in wisconsin. on the other side, republicans would love for these recalls to go down in flames and to say to other state, you, too, can change the rules of the game, go ahead and do it. there's not that much to risk. so there's a lot at stake nationally, all coming together in wisconsin. >> stakes are high.

we should point out, six republican state senators face recall this week, two democrats next week. ted, appreciate it. coming up next, a man waving a gun chases down an 11-year-old kid, follows him into a neighbor house then pulls the trigger. but the shooting spree doesn't end there. you're going to hear the 911 calls during a rampage that left seven people dead. we're also learning today about a little bit about who the suspect targeted. that one day on the red hills of georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. i have a dream today! [ male announcer ] chevrolet is honored to celebrate the unveiling of the washington, d.c., martin luther king jr. memorial. take your seat at the table on august 28th.

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>> police near akron, ohio, are still at a loss to explain what caused a man to go on this shooting spree sunday. they may never know for certain. the gunman was killed by police. but not before witnesses say he ran through backyards, chasing people, shooting them before he shot his girlfriend at their own home. before this was all over, seven other people were dead, including two teenagers and an 11-year-old. here's the police chief. >> the first phone calls came in reported gunshots heard in the neighborhood. then we heard calls of a man chasing someone and shooting and then we eventually received calls that helped us pinpoint the shooter's location.

our officers arrived in a few minutes. and when they arrived on the scene at the addresses that you will hear about, they located several bodies and realized there were several shooting victims. with the assistance of some folks in the neighborhood and the calls that were coming in, our officers were able to pinpoint the location of the shooter which aour officers wen there immediately. as the first officer approached the location where the shooter was, a former police officer who lives in the area saw what was going on and joined our officer. our officer located the suspect, issued some commands, the suspect did not obey or did not go along with the commands and the suspect was shot. >> that was the police chief. i want to play something else for you. this is a frantic 911 call made by a neighbor, grabbed her kids, headed to the basement when she was hearing these gunshots. take a listen. >> 911, where is your emergency?

>> something is .haing. somebody is in the neighborhood shooting a gun. i'm inside my house. >> do you know if it's a male or a female? >> i don't know. my husband went outside. >> police have identified the gunman as 61-year-old michael hands. warren jeffs said to his child brides, don't think about the pain. you're going to heaven. plus, the case against dominique

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call right now. 30 minute, just half an hour is all it took for the jury to deliberate this one in the case against polygamist leader warren jeffs. he got life in prison. he was convicted last week on two counts of having sex with underaged girls. and yesterday, jurors, listen to this graphic audio tapes, telling children how to please him and that this was the will of god. sunny hostin back on this case. if i may, yuck, if i may. and also, is this what we expected, maximum sentence here.

he was looking at up to 20 years on the second count, which was also a sexual assault count. this judge gave him life in prison plus 20 years because she found that it had to run consecutively. so my understanding, brooke, is that he will spend at least 45 years in prison before he is eligible for parole. he sf55 years old, so that wille about his 100th birthday. most people believe he will spend the rest of his life in prison. >> what about from the community he claimed to be a prophet of. have with egotten any reaction from them? >> well, it's interesting. there's sort of a split with the flds. and there are some that have broken away from warren jeffs as a prophet, but those that still support him have been blacked out from any news. warren jeffs told his followers

they were not to listen to anything having to do with this trial. and so my understanding, brooke, is they still support him because they don't know what happened in the court case. that is very, very interesting. not only did he manipulate so many people while he was a prophet of the flds cult, he's still manipulating those members that are still a part of it. this made, this housekeeper says she wants justice. now it seems like she wants a little money. the hotel maid accusing strauss-kahn of rape filed a civil suit against him just yesterday. that as the criminal case against him already ready to collapse. what, sunny, does this smell like to you? was this a setup for money? or not? >> well, you know, i have a copy of the lawsuit, it's about 16 pages. and what i do smell is the death of the criminal case. because prosecutors do not want

their victims, their star witnesses to speak to the media or file civil suits. and so i think it is very clear that on august 23, his next court appearance, it is probable that the criminal case is dropped. but i don't know why there's always this public outrage when victims of crime sue civilly, brooke. don't we want our victims of crime to benefit or get money from their abusers? shouldn't they be compensated? i don't think it's inconsistent that someone that's been viciously attacked wants to be compensated for that. and so many people are saying that she only wanted money, but if what she is saying is true, then i don't think it's inconsistent that she's suing him civilly. >> thank. see you tomorrow. house speaker john boehner and nancy pelosi, they agree on something. and it's not good news for one very specific group of people. that is ahead.

plus, one more look at the dow on this tuesday here. 50 minutes after the closing bell. up 400 points. dow closing up 429. this is the dow's biggest gain this year. a big reason -- the fed announcing this afternoon that interest rates would stay low for the next couple of years. through mid 2013. cnn news room is back in a moment. we're thinking about them. a couple decades ago, we didn't even realize just how much natural gas was trapped in rocks thousands of feet below us. technology has made it possible to safely unlock this cleanly burning natural gas. this deposits can provide us with fuel for a hundred years, providing energy security and economic growth all across this country. it just takes somebody having the idea, and that's where the discovery comes from.

now let's check in with wolf blitzer in washington a look at what's coming up on his show. i would be remiss if i didn't say a happy birthday wish in "the situation room" one day late. >> today is the beginning of year seven in "the situation room." yesterday we celebrated our sixth anniversary. how time flies.

it's been a nice ride. what a day it is. you've been reporting since the market closed almost an hour ago, pen bernanke says they're going to keep rates low. yesterday, the president of the united states, the commander-in-chi commander-in-chief, the leader in the free world spoke around 2:00 in the afternoon. didn't necessarily have such a huge impact on the markets. what does that say to you? >> when the feds announced when the statement came out today, it actually dipped and then back again. >> yeah, it's unpredictable. >> totally volatile. >> even though it was good today, bad yesterday. one of the things we've learned about markets over the year, we never know what it's going to be tomorrow. markets go up, they go down. that's what you have to live with.

>> wolf, thank you. we've been hearing a lot of talk here about partisan politics. capitol hill is getting rid of a tradition, a program that involves kids. that's coming up next. care card, i realized i needed an aarp... medicare supplement insurance card, too. medicare is one of the great things about turning 65, but it doesn't cover everything. in fact, it only pays up to 80% of your part b expenses. if you're already on or eligible for medicare, call now to find out how an aarp... medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company, helps cover some of the medical expenses... not paid by medicare part b. that can save you from paying up to thousands of dollars... out of your own pocket. these are the only medicare supplement insurance plans...

exclusively endorsed by aarp. when you call now, you'll get this free information kit... with all you need to enroll. put their trust in aarp medicare supplement insurance. plus you'll get this free guide to understanding medicare. the prices are competitive. i can keep my own doctor. and i don't need a referral to see a specialist. call now to get a free information kit. plus you'll get this free guide to understanding medicare. and the advantages don't end there. choose from a range of medicare supplement plans... that are all competitively priced. we have a plan for almost everyone, so you can find one that fits your needs and budget. with all medicare supplement plans, there are virtually no claim forms to fill out. plus you can keep your own doctor and hospital that accepts medicare. and best of all, these plans are... the only medicare supplement plans endorsed by aarp. when they told me these plans were endorsed by aarp... i had only one thing to say... sign me up.

call the number on your screen now... and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan. you'll get this free information kit... and guide to understanding medicare, to help you choose the plan that's right for you. as with all medicare supplement plans, you can keep your own doctor and hospital that accepts medicare, get help paying for what medicare doesn't... and save up to thousands of dollars. call this toll-free number now. after many, many years here, the house page program bites the dust. for many high school students, a congressional page and rubbing elbows with the elite at the capitol and joe johns, a dream about to become history. this is crushing the hearts of poli sci students everywhere. >> there's a facebook book, save

the page program page. say that ten times back. people are talking about keeping it alive with private funding. house speaker boehner and nancy pelosi agreed on dismantling it. official reason -- the program costs a lot of money, $5 million. the house of representatives wasn't getting much for that. it's an amazing program with a lot of history. they're just dumping it. brings in high school kids to be messengers, couriers for members of congress on capitol hill. they come one semester, two semesters at a time. get regular schooling, they get paid. now there are blackberries, iphones, i pads. who needs kids to carry paper anymore. and you know, the upside is, it really exposes these high school students to the political system close up. >> i didn't fully realize when it was paid. so when i paid at cnn many years ago. >> $20,000 a year. >> wow. that's decent. we can't let you go and let the page program end without a little talk of scandal.

let's go there. >> yes. got to go there, you're right. mark foley of florida who resigned in 2006, he was investigated for sending and soliciting inappropriate electronic messages to former male house pages, and then you go all the way back to 1983, two members of congress actually kr censured for having sexual relations with pages. y they were of age so it wasn't statutory rape or anything. but you get the picture. inviting these high school students to washington, taking responsibility for their schooling for a semester or more, knowing if anything happens to them, it's definitely going to be a national scandal. so you can sort of see why the leaders felt it was okay to get rid of it. senate page