as she throws a softball feels good and the game gives some of these kids hope forever the future. this third baseman dreams of turning pro. >> i can tell. i want your autograph. >> okay. >> cnn, fairfax, virginia. >> i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." for our international viewers, worm report is next in north america. john king, usa, starts right now. >> good evening, everyone. competition at the iowa state fair today. >> what we need to do is tell bara barack obama he had his chance. >> i love the constitution and i love the tea party. >> the american people have an appetite for a nonpolitician. i have never held public office. >> this is where barack obama

got his start. this is where he's going to come to his end, in iowa. did you get the change and the hope that you believed in. >> well, it turnless out that those republican candidates had a little competition, too. >> i don't think i'm stealing anybody's spotlight. go, go find the other folks and say hello. >> now, sarah palin wasn't in the big debate last night and she rolled into the state fair, none t nonetheless, let everyone know she may yet join the republican dance. >> there's a lot of contemplation that needs to go into earth shattering life saving decision for everyone. >> a packed hour tonight, including putting every debate statements to the truth test,

like this one. >> that's right. i was very vocal against that tax and fought against that tax. >> no official role in the gop nominating contest but a history of derailing once promising kanld da sees, at the state fair, steve and our chief political correspondent, candy crowley. candy, i want to start with you and, yes, i want to start with the not so surprised visit i will call of sarah palin. she section, oh, shucks, go pay attention to the others but she was clearly trying to say, i'm still here? >> reporter: yes. as a matter of fact, a long time observer of iowa, he knows a few things about iowa politics and he said listen, i think she's

going to get in. why else would you show up here? i would only say to that because right now sarah palin's job is speeches and raises money for her pact say staying visible certainly helps that. i think most of the betting is that she won't. >> i know you were watching last night. one of the big dynamics is that tim pawlenty needs to win iowa and michele bachmann needs to win iowa. i want you to listen to the debate that we'll call "minnesota spice". >> it's an undisputable fact that in congress her record of accomplishment and results is nonexistent. >> governor, when you were governor in minnesota, you i implemented cap and trade and prals pra praised the mandate. >> it's not her spine that we're worried about. if that's your view of

leadership, please stop. because you're killing us. >> you said the era of small government was over. that sounds a lot more like barack obama, if you ask me. now, an interview in august 2006 and there are certain circumstances and dredge interest and one of the minnesota candidates, did we lose one of them tomorrow at the straw poll? >>. >> i think they both have to do very well tomorrow. i don't think that if they come in third place, that it's necessarily a death and if they come in close or a third second.

yes. >> is a lot of at stake here but i would say that they have to end up in at least the top three, that's for sure. >> at least the top three. candy, you talked to senator santorum today. he's one of the lesser known candidates. he says that he has to come in the top five. explain to our viewers, this event has nothing, nothing to do with delegates or who gets to be the nominee officially. yet it has pretty good history. anything you say, it is a bit of a circus act and has pushed candidates off the cliff. >> right. it doesn't pick winners but can chose winners. i talked to somebody and said, this is the most meaningful, meaningless event that i think we covered in politics because everybody sort of trashes and says, this is a fundraiser for the republican party and it is indeed that. it shows you, can these people, some of whom have been on the ground for quite some time, can they get their supporters together on a saturday and to spend a full saturday listening to speeches in august, in iowa

and get them to go to a straw poll. there's a certain amount of coordination and how is your campaign going test to it. but on the other hand, the votes don't count towards the caucuses. everyone has to pay $30 in order to get in so they can go vote. so there's a lot of sort of markers in here that tell you that this is not an exact test. but it's become a very important test and quite a good fund-raiser are for the republican party here. jon huntsman is not on the straw poll ballot and will skip the iowa caucuses and was in iowa to make his debate debut before moving on to new hampshire. governor huntsman is with us from new hampshire. it was your debate debut last night in iowa and i want to read the review from the des moines register. he was a scoop of vanilla in a

dish of rocky road. smooth, a little bland and different from the rest. i guess not the greatest review. are you vanilla, a scoop of vanilla and a dish of rocky road? >> listen, all you can do is be yourself. all you can do is run on your record, not from your record. we're very pleased to be in this race. we are a blue sky people here in america. we want solutions. we want to find ways to get out of the most difficult economic circumstances and sadly and rarely get a chance to talk about the things done in in country, articulate a record from the state of utah where we had historic tax cuts, created the most business-friendly environment and took that state to the number one creator in terms of jobs. same thing that needs to happen in this country.

didn't get around to talk about, for example, where we are in afghanistan. we fought the good war for ten years and this should not be about nation building. we should bring our folks home and recognize the reality of the situation which is a counter terror effort. >> you did repeatedly say in the debate, i'm running on my record. you mentioned tax cutting and defended your position on civil unions, gop voters won't like that and explained your position and one issue in the past where you said on illegal immigration, secure the border. >> get tougher there, and deal with reality. whether it's 12 billion or 20 million people, your position in the past has been, we have to deal with that. we're not going to pick them up and kick them out. >> correct. >> here's what you said last night. >> i'm simply going to prove to the american people that we can secure the border. that's what they want done. i'm not going to talk about anything else until we get it done. secure the border. >> that's what john mccain did in the last campaign. he said to find a path to status

in one case citizenship for them and became controversial and secure the border and deal with everything else. isn't that running from your record? >> i still stand by everything that i said in the past. all i'm saying is, we've got to prove to the american people that we can take one step initially that will build a sense of confidence in this broader discussion of immigration and there's nothing more important to the american people besides proving the point that we can secure the border. >> governor romney, the former governor of massachusetts, is the front-runner. as the candidates press their case against the incumbent, president obama, governor romney said this. >> i understand how the economy works. herman cain and i have worked in the real economy. someone who spent their entire career in government, they can chose a lot of folks. but if they want to know how the private sector works, they are

going to have to chose one of us. >> i understand the private sector and economy better than governor huntsman? >> well, all you have to do is look at the record, jon. in massachusetts you had a lot of people leave that state because of the economic circumstances and there are costs that escalate and quality drop. in our state, we basically relied on the free market approach to connecting people with the insurance policies. you saw tax increases, fee increases in the state of massachusetts. in our state, we had historic tax cuts. i believe when you go up against somebody like president obama who has zero record to stand on as it relates to the economy and creating jobs, our party is going to want a nominee who comes from a background and speaks the success. that's not 47th. that's first. >> and yet if you're running on

your record, the tribune poll out today, utah republican voters, that's your state, choice for president, romney 71. huntsman, 13. why do the folks back home think governor romney is a better nominee? >> well, he's been running for president for 35 years out there. i was governor of the state. i was carried every single county. if you're going to switch from being governor and i think a well respected governor that won close to 80% to running for president where somebody has been doing it for a lot of time. and i think that's the poll that matters most to the people of utah. and that's the poll that will matter most to the people of this country. >> governor jon huntsman

campaigning, thank you. >> thank you, sish. still ahead a. closer look at the palin factor. >> it's kinds of even a sexist notion to consider the two women would be kind of duking it out. if i'm going to duke it out, i'm going to duke it out with god. and next back live to iowa. how the straw poll works and how the debate reflected the high stakes. [ male announcer ] members of the american postal workers union

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back live to iowa, let's take a look at how this poll works. republicans doing it for a long time, as candy crowley noted, it's a fund-raiser. these are the candidates that have paid for space. you pay for space here. ron paul has the premium space right here. mitt romney paid for it, $30,000, people coming right in. senator santorum, governor pawlenty, congressman paul, they have paid for premium space. speaker gingrich, romney, not paying for space, they say that they are not really playing. so what happens here? how does this work out? folks can show up, come to the tents in the morning, all show up from all over iowa. they bus in and buy their tickets in a lot of cases.

candidates give speeches and cast their ballots. look at the winners. george h.w. bush in '79. bob dole and phil graham, they tied in 1995. george bush wins in '99. mitt romney in 2007. so does the winner of the straw poll, boom, go on to be the nominee? no. ronald reagan, george h.w. bush, john mccain was the nominee in 2007. what happens on saturday doesn't necessarily mean there's your winner in the race. here's what it can do. here's the impact of the straw poll. he was a governor now and senator now. governor alexander, elizabeth dole, their presidency ended in the days our hours because of their performance being so week. and because of poor low expectations, straw poll performances. what do we look for in 2012?

and strong grass roots, do they win for a top three showing. there's a write-in option. governor perry is announcing that he won't be in iowa. will they be mad or might they write them in. right them for conservative support. candy crowley in the freedom coalition, steve, even engel cals, some people report about that, like yourself, very important in your iowa caucus, very important in the straw poll

and said that's the last thing i want to do and decided to take his advice to be submissive because the lord wanted her to be submissive to her husband. here's her answer. >> marcus and i will be married 33 years this september 10th. i'm in love with him. i'm so proud of him. and both he and i, what submission means to us, it means respect. i respect my husband. he's a wonderful godly man and a great father and he respects me as his wife. that's how we operate our marriage. we respect each other, we love each other. >> a lot of people are saying, what is this all about. explain why this matters. >> i think she did an excellent job in answering that question.

ai think she gave a perfect answer and it's what most of us even eve van gel cals gave us last night. >> you have this pawlenty-bachmann tomorrow night. what else should we be looking for? >> reporter: well, you know, i think there are actually a lot of things, a lot of people who have their fate tied up in this. and it may take a month, may take two months because, remember, it's really not that you lose the iowa straw poll, it's that people see you losing it and that's when the money dries up. and you just can't get from august in iowa to january in iowa. i'm sorry. february of this year in iowa. or new hampshire without money.

so who is on the ropes? rick santorum who has said that he has to place at least in the top five. herman cain, he says he has to do well. they don't want to -- most of them, they don't want to put a number on it. he does have to do well. because they need that money to put forward. it's not enough as you move on. not enough to have the ability to put ads on the air and paid staff on the ground. so you are looking at newt gingrich. newt gingrich can get along on the shoestring, but nonetheless, there are times when you do really poorly, as santorum said to me, listen, if i don't do well, if i don't place in that top five t. says something about the structure. it says i don't have the vehicle i need to go from here and win the caucuses. so i think there will be a lot of gut checks, as we say, a lot of looking at the numbers and

it's tied to the ability to move on. >> and when we go through this every four years, why does it get so much attention, we often do learn, either about a surprise candidate who has a deeper organization than we might have thought or more appeal or a surprise issue that is motivating to turn people to turn out. what is unique, in your view, about this year? >> what makes a difference from year's past? >> you mean this straw poll cycle? is that what you're talking about? >> yes, sir. >> i think this is the first year in many, many years, that has been this fluid. it's not late for the country per se but it's late for iowa. that brings excitement to the air and i think this test is absolutely crucial. it shows their organizational muster and so i think the win delling out process is not a bad

process. these candidates need to show their organizational muster before they get to the caucuses in february. >> steve, candy, appreciate it. live at the state fair. enjoy the fair tonight while you're doing your jobs out there. appreciate it very much. when we come back, still ahead, the sarah palin factor. will she run? we'll talk to somebody who knows her well and a rock and roll week on wall street comes to an end. we'll check in on that, too. thi. ♪ this is our pool. ♪ our fireworks. ♪ and our slip and slide. you have your idea of summer fun, and we have ours. now during the summer event get an exceptionally engineered mercedes-benz for an exceptional price. but hurry, this offer ends august 31st.

a lot of you complain that

sarah palin gets so much attention, even though it's those whop are not even running for the presidential nomination. if you're running for this race, you cannot ignore her potential impact and it would be easier to ignore her if, say, she did not show up at mitt romney's tour critical to her potential rivals. the media circus was inevitable and to see her eagerly ignoring some questions and eagerly answering others, is the tea party the reason for the downgrade, she said the tea party deserves credit for keeping the conversation about the debate going here. so when will she tell us if she's in or out? >> i'm not the only one who has not decided yet and not ready to announce one way or the other because there's still -- you know, there's still a lot of contemplation that needs to go into such an earth shattering life-changing decision for a family. >> cnn's peter hamby is as good

of a palin follower as any. sorry to take you away from the corn dogs or whatever it is out there. peter, she comes to this state fair today. you were on her bus tour, the one nation bus tour on the way up the east coast and said hello to romney during his tour. it was striking, obviously she picked the timing on purpose and one of the things that she said, i want people to listen closely. she was the former governor of al alaska, obviously. rick perry is the governor of texas now. he doesn't have as much power as many governors and sarah palin decided to point that out. >> different functions in the state of texas and the state of alaska in terms of governing powers in the governor's office. kind of tough to compare what the executive duties are. a very, very strong governor's office form of government up there. but he's a great guy and i like

forward to seeing him in those debates. >> maybe, peter, i'm making too much of this. but we have a very strong governor in alaska. he's a great guy. >> reporter: yeah. that was not just the only gentle criticism that she made of -- of rick perry. they have a close, friendly warm relationship but she also said that perry is sort of flip-flopped. she said she was surprised that he changed his position on whether is he going to run. i think what you're seeing here, john, is palin is keeping alive the prospect of her candidacy and realizes that her and perry have a lot of similarities and social conservatives, also the potential to raise a lot of money. so she's trying to kind of keep a little bit of a window open there by kind of gently pressing rick perry. you know, that's her

prerogative. she's here in iowa today, as you said, kind of making a splash, stealing attention from the rest of the candidates. >> and we know the other candidates rumble privately about that. but what about the iowa caucus? the people who turn out for straw polls and send the e-mails, pound on the doors, show up outside the doors with the leaflets. >> there are some private grumblings but two things on that front. tim pawlenty, the former minnesota governor was walking around with a handful of aides. people didn't recognize the guy and 30 minutes later sarah palin is mobbed by not just voters, well wishers, people wanting to to get their picture with her and todd palin. that kind of grass root support that other candidates just don't have. and people question whether or

not palin is laying the ground work for a campaign, doing the traditional things that you do when you went from president, line-up steering committees and donors and that sort palin pred a very grassroots campaign and was being sherpid through this crowd by an iowa crowd and after she left us, she's doing a little bit of work on the side just in case she does decide to run, john. >> just in case. live at the state fair, thanks, peter. also most political pros what sarah palin is, and most shrug. she doesn't trust the political establishment. one exception is fred malick who is dated back to the nixon days. it's good to see you. you've been sarah palin's escort. you've interviewsed her introd people. is she going to run? >> sarah palin is a friend and does a great job of energizing

people and in getting people interested in voting. i don't think you're going to see her on a billion lot but she'll have an influence because she sucks up a lot of oxygen in a room and brings a lot of attention to wherever she goes. i think she will be influential and part of the process but i don't expect to see her on the ballot. having said that, di do believe that our next president will be a governor or a former governor but i don't think it's going to be sarah palin. >> you know her well. you've been through this with george h.w. bush and through this with others. you know what it's like, especially those candidates that need a good straw poll polling. why does sarah do this, then? >> will, i can't answer that. you have to ask her. i think john asked her in a

previous interview. i think why she does it, she feels that she belongs to the center of activity. she wants to have an influence on this race. i think she wants to bring more attention to it and bring more people out and assure that the tea party and other members of the center right are out there supporting the candidates. i think it's a good thing. i think she brings people out and i'm all for it. but i do not believe that she's going to run. she hasn't told me one way or another. i think it's highly improbable that she's going to run. fortunately, we have four other governor who is are running and all of them are really qualified to lead the country. >> i think the fact that she hasn't called you and asked you to help raise money speaks volumes. let me ask you, you mentioned governors and former governors in the race. who do you think, at this early moment, you saw the debate last night, governor perry wasn't there. but who do you think is the best person, both from a records standpoint and from an energy standpoint, a debating skills standpoint stand up against

president obama? >> we really have four of them. let me mention a couple of things. one, what this country is thrifting for is leadership. we need a proven record of leadership and it's only the governors that have done it. mitt romney did a debate last night and he's led in the private sector and governor and salt lake olympics. rick perry has created more jobs in the state of texas than the rest of the country combined over his ten years of governor and tim pawlenty has governed highly successfully and demonstrated that a conservative can balance the budget and create jobs. we have grade candidates out there, any one of whom are leaders and are not a leader and our next president, i believe, is going to be one of those three. fred malek, appreciate your time from aspen. and if governor palin does call, give me a call. >> will do.

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"anderson cooper 360" begins at the top of the hour. >> we're keeping them honest. rick perry is running for

president. but tonight we examine his track record of saying one thing and doing another when it comes to taking money from washington. his supporters call his economic policies the texas miracle. they failed to mention, as his critics will quickly mention, the billions of dollars used to support it. tonight we're keeping them honest. in iowa, we'll tell you which candidates say this weekend might be break or make for him. it's the iowa straw poll. michele bachmann is taking part. mitt romney is not. in crime and punishment, stunning tapes that were used to convict warren jeffs. the tapes brought many of the jurors to tears. they have finally been released. jeffs instructing underage girls how to pleasure him. we'll talk with two former members of jeffs' sect. an update on some maul yeah. and tonight's ridiculous.

prz. rick perry, the texas governor, makes it official tomorrow. he joins the presidential ras f race for president. red state is led by our cnn contributor, eric eric son. >> is he your guy or are you just being nice and introducing him? i'm introducing him. and doi like him? i like him a lot. he's a good friend. >> we've talked a lot about some grumblings and some seems higher volume. i want you to listen to governor perry. it's an interview with our affiliate in new hampshire. he says, give me four years as your president and you'll get this -- >> my hope is that in four years people can take a look at what we've done in washington, d.c., and they know that i have made

washington, d.c., less consequential in their lives. >> soft spoken there, but that's an important message to conservatives, no? >> it very much is. and that's what you hear a lot. george bush wanted to go to washington to change the tone and was largely a failure. rick perry wants to go to washington and make it less consequential. it's very interesting, a common thread that i hear around conservatives and libertarians, they want the leave me the heck alone caucus to win. they want washington out of their lives and jnone of the candidates send that message. in the past 48 hours i've been inundated with eechlt mails from congress, and state legislate fors and some have pledged candidates in the past and seem to be pledging to other candidates now. it seems like there's a profound

lack of excitement about the other candidates. if perry can hold on and not be a paper tiger, i think you'll get real traction. >> day 90 and day 100 will matter a lot more than day one. but on day one, governor perry hurts who in the field the most? >> i think that governor perry hurts in the field the most on day one, tim pawlenty. who was really running to be the alternative to mitt romney, the conservative ee van gel ka who has a good fiscal record. but i really do think it hurts mitt romney as well. there's a perception better than the reality. and mitt romney is going down and once he crosses the threshold. >> eric eric son, good luck with

the red state gathering. we'll see you next week. >> thanks very much. >> thank you. so is perry the great new conservative hope or will he fizzle? let's talk to donna brazile. cnn contributors. let me put on the table, here's one potential. as governor of texas, he had the george w. bush and early john mccain immigration and illegal immigrants go to school and state resident rate. here's what he said to describe the support for that. you must describe in a texas classroom, we don't care where you come from but where you are going and we're going to do everything that we can to get there. that must include the undocumented workers. alex n. a tee party republican party, might that be a speed bump, if not a road block for governor perry? >> i think in a very conservative republican party that might be a speed bump along with governor perry spending a lot of money in texas. it's a large state. he tried to expand the trans

texas corridor, which is a new highway system for the next 50 years in texas that would have take answer lot of texas land, big government grabbing private land. so there are a lot of things that he's going to have to deal with. one of them is that some of the growth in jobs in texas have been government jobs. so he's got a little bit of explaining to do there. but right now this election, john, unlike the last one that was about hope and change, this election is about strength and certainty, and texas strength may sell this election. >> alex says texas strength may sell. immigration is one question, we deal with conservative critics. some tea party people occasionally get so mad at washington they say their state should leave the union. listen to governor perry at a tea party rally, whether texas should leave the union is on the table. >> since the u.s. constitution was first ratified, the federal government has slowly steadily and successfully eroded the notion of state's rights. the founding fathers understood

something. they understood one size fits all doesn't work. it sure doesn't work in a country as big in america and it darned sure doesn't work in texas. >> size him up. >> well, first of all i knew him when he was a democrat, that was back in the 1980s, when he ran as an agricultural commissioner. he is someone who is quite personable. he can relate to a lot of people. he's from west texas. comes from -- >> does he worry you more than any of those other republicans you saw up there on the stage last night? >> i'm not worried, john, i'm trying to let democrats know this is one texan they better took seriously just like they took george w. bush seriously. he knows how to run. he will run to his right and run as you saw with that clip to try to out-tea party even the most extreme tea party members. he will be a crowd pleaser.

>> how would you run against rick perry? >> totally take him on, the so-called texas miracle because once you get away from the myths you'll see that rick perry is a big government guy. >> alex costianes in closing will we talk about rick perry in three months? >> i think he's not yet demonstrated he can last. i think governor romney has been around this track and you saw that presence on the stage last night. i still bet on romney but could be and by the way, john, if you were here i'd buy you a fried beer. they sell everything fried here. >> have that one for me that way i don't have to go to the gym to work it off. enjoy the fair, my friend. how far can police go if they think there will be trouble in the streets. should they shut off everyone's cell phone? it just happened. that's next. introducing the schwab mobile app.

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is this the right call or wrong call to head off a planned demonstration against police brutality last night authorities for the bay area rapid transit system, b.a.r.t. for short set off all of the cell phone system figuring it would disrupt the protest organizers. a lot of people think that's going too far. >> if you can't get cell phone service and something happens, what are you going to do? absolutely nothing. >> if us from san francisco, the b.a.r.t. deputy police chief. chief that's an extraordinary

step. how did you reach the judgment you could do that. what if there was a pregnant woman who needed medical attention and without warning they pick up their cell phone and it's not working? >> we had adequate staff there present at the station as well as i had actually staffed each train going through that area in both directions with b.a.r.t. personnel. on top of that, we already have in each car two intercomes at ea each end of the train, 20 intercoms and station agents. the cell service was just limited to that small area, a couple steps up a staircase would have given them access to cellular test. >> michael richard, the chief was worried about a disruption, emergency personnel and intercoms and the like? >> we have become accustomed to

use our cell phones when we need to come in touch with a loved one and have an emergency but more importantly all over the world right now people are using mobile devices to organize, to demonstrate against repressive regimes and we as a people rightly condemn it when the regimes turn around and cut off the cell service so they can't demonstrate. what does it mean that's happening here in san francisco right here in america, where we hold out the promise of the freedom of speech and the freedom of assembly? whether or not -- >> mr. richard, no circumstances or is there some circumstances where the chief maybe disagree with the threshold here, but is there any circumstance where it would be the right call? >> to stop a mere demonstration? no, i don't think so. people have the right to demonstrate, people have the right to assemble. that's what our first amendment and state constitution guarantee. we're not talking about bomb threats or anything like that here. that would present a different question. we're talking about people who wanted to demonstrate against the government because for whatever reason there was a

police-involved shooting, a man was killed, that obviously makes people very angry. >> chief were you trying to disrupt a demonstration, which this is america, sir, or did you have intelligence suggesting there would be something more than that. >> i can tell you i've spent an entire career trying to protect people's rights to do exactly what they were talking about doing but in this case it went well beyond just a mere demonstration. there were layers upon layers of information leading us to believe there was going to be serious safety issues and when it comes down to it, i think what i want my loved one, my wife, my daughter or someone else close to me on one of those platforms in a dangerous situation, and the answer is no. and i think the vast majority of people would agree if they knew all of the facts going on. it was much more than just a mere demonstration. >> mr. risher, you can use social networking for good and bad. do you concede there needs to be a dialogue wherein police should have that power? >> absolutely there needs to be