i'm sorry, i think it's weird in do dunwoody or whatever, i think it's weird. it don't fit into anything i believe, it certainly doesn't fit into anything the catholic church believes. i think the lutheran church that she belonged until she decided to run for president. but having said that, i think that she was -- i'm not a michelle bachmann fan. >> i noticed. >> by far, i think she was joking. i think she's entitled to crack a joke. >> and that's all from us tonight, hurricane or hype? vermont reeling from the worst flooding since the '20s, but was irene overblown? >> it could have been worse. >> we are not out of the woods yet. >> did government and the media go too far? >> better safe than sorry. >> we want to protect people and protect people's lives.

>> this was the best scenario. we took the appropriate precautions. >> i'll ask a woman who may be new york's next mayor if the city get it done and cory booker from the front lines. and maverick billionaire mark cuban is not afraid to say what he thinks about the economy, sport, politicians, just about anything. tonight he says he'll raise hell. watch out, america. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. of all the places to be hit by a tropical storm who expected vermont to take such a pounding? the creeks and rivers are a raging torrent tonight, one the governor fears will take many more lives. 27 people in nine states have died in hurricane irene. millions are still in the dark and irene's price tag could go as high as $6 billion. in the wake of the storm administration officials will visit virginia, north carolina, and vermont tomorrow. all of this six years to the day after the massive tragedy of katrina.

joining me is gary tuchman in brattleboro. what's the latest there? it seems vermont has taken a real kicking. >> reporter: hey, piers. they are shocked in vermont. this is a state known for skiing, for mountains, not tropical systems. in parts of vermont you have rivers crest right now. this is the winewski river waters, but the river is a quarter mile down the road. it's cresting now. we expect by tomorrow there will be no more water here, but there will be mud in homes. particularly in southern vermont now, the waters are gone but the mud remains. there is so much tragedy here. three people have been killed here, one person is missing. there is shock because the creeks and brooks turned to raging rapids. even old timers have never seen it before in vermont. >> it would be pertinent about the discussion we are having about the media and warning. were the warnings substantial enough or regular enough in

vermont? did people know what may be coming? >> first of all, there is a lot of resentment in vermont when people say this was hyped. this is the worst tropical system they have faced. people died and there are tens of millions of damage. regarding the preparations in vermont, what you had was an incredible system. we are used to covering hurricanes where it hits one or two places and ukt evacuate north or west and get out of the way. the entire state of vermont was liable to get hit. most people here live near brooks, near creeks that they know could be raging rapids and there is nowhere to go. that's one of the problems. everyone in the state would have to evacuate and that's not practical. >> are you expecting the death toll to rise in vermont? what's the general feeling about the scenes we are witnessing and the possible casualty toll?

>> we don't think it will go much higher but we think it will go higher. i talked to the governor and they said they wanted to keep information quiet before they don't want the public to know before the families knew. they said they were searching for several missing people. it could climb. they believe the one person who is missing has probably perished, too. that person was with one of the people they found. they think it could go above the number of four. >> it's been a catastrophe for the people of vermont. we wish them the very best in their recovery. thank you very much. my next guest is one of the few people who saw it coming. friday night on this show he said new england could bear the brunt. joining me is brigadier general duke deluca. thank you for joining me. you called it pretty accurately. when you see what's happening in vermont, what do you feel about it? >> obviously our heart goes out to the victims who are in the

affected areas on the west side of the state and tributaries like the winewski that feeds into lake champlain and in the east in the connecticut river basin. i mentioned a concern about the connecticut river basin. we were concerned with it farther south. when the hurricane expanded, the hardest hit river basin in new england was in the whole storm was connecticut river basin. 10 to 14 inches fell in that basin which was already saturated in a period of less than 18 hours. that's a tremendous volume of water. i think i mentioned the watersheds in new england and eastern new york clear in 24 hours. that's a lot of water moving rapidly. i think you are showing video of that now. >> what do you say to those who say the media including cnn and others hyped up the hurricane and that it wasn't as bad as everyone said it was going to be? >> well, i think it's a partial truth but is fundamentally inaccurate at its base.

this is a storm that affected over 65 million people. 5 million businesses and homes without power even now. 24 people and the count still is rising in terms of people that lost their lives. there is a tremendous amount of economic and physical damage. they were still frankly assessing and we won't know the final numbers for some weeks. i don't think it was hyped. the storm did spread out and that was a lucky break for the northeast. that meant wind velocities were reduced which saved a great many lives and a great much damage. >> general, thank you very much. i want to bring in chad myers from the hurricane center. you have heard the debate today. you have been doing an astonishing job for the last few days keeping us informed about all this. really spectacular. in terms of how the power and the strength and therefore the threat of hurricane irene

changing in that very crucial last 24 hours, could that have been predicted at all or can the authorities only really ever go on what's right in front of them at any given moment? >> the problem with irene is for wind it was an underachiever. for rain it was an overachiever. for flooding, obviously. this storm had the potential to be a category three storm at any time in its history and in its life even after north carolina. the pressure was low enough that if this storm got an eye and the winds spun up, we could have had 110 mile per hour storm right over manhattan. we wouldn't be having this conversation. so that potential was there. it's like having a can of gas next to a fireplace and you say, oh, don't worry about it. it's never exploded before. well, the potential was there. we had to warn you that the potential was there. i think the potential was always there that this could have been much more catastrophic to the city. we focused a lot of time on the city. i understand that.

there are four times more people living in brooklyn than in the entire state of vermont. so this is how you have to think about it. 13 times more people in new york city than in the state of vermont. so we had to protect the mass of people. the people of vermont had historic flooding. you think the guy who built that bridge in rutland, vermont, ever thought water would go high enough to knock it down? i don't think so. the people in vermont never thought this was possible. >> was there any stage on saturday or sunday, chad, when the authorities led by the president presumably and fema could have officially downgraded it properly and said, look, it's not going to be as big as we feared? new york, you don't have to panic so much. would that have been a prudent thing to do? one of the specific criticisms is when they saw the hurricane diminishing in power they still said everybody had to be on red alert. >> if you have ever watched an ice skater in the olympics and she has her arms out and does

this thingcalled a scratch skin you bring the arms in and the ice skater goes quickly around, that's what this storm did. this was the ice skater with the arms out. it never brought the arms in, but the potential for bringing the winds and arms in was there. let me tell you this. montreal, canada, lost windows in sky scrapers. that was 300 miles from new york city. the storm was on shore for 300 miles and windows were knocked out well north of there. it was always possible for the same type of damage to happen in new york city. it was just a sheer stroke of luck that it didn't do that. >> well, chad, again, thank you for your sterling work on this. i'm sure that contributed to many people getting to safety when they needed to. i appreciate that. i'm sure many people do. new york city's mass transit system shut down completely the day before irene hit. was that politics ahead of safety? joining me is a woman who may be the next mayor of new york.

city council speaker christine quinn. you have heard the debate today. i have to say from where i sit, in the end, people are complaining about having their lives markedly disrupted -- >> from an officially point of view we had to make decisions based on what we were hearing from the national weather service and other hurricane and governmental experts. remember, we're talking about new york city here. right? we asked people in an area where there are about 300,000 people to evacuate. we needed time to do that. so we had to make the call for this early. it was important to remember that when the decision was made by our mass transit authority to shut down subways and buses. we needed eight hours to do that.

then we needed time to move our train and bus equipment out of where we store it. it just happens we store it in low lying areas in the rockaways. moving the equipment out, closing down the subways enabled us to get them back up and running at 6:00 a.m. today. the fact that the mta had to respond to was if there are sustained -- not gusts -- sustained winds of 39 miles an hour or more, the subways cannot run. on friday, all indications were that that was likely to happen. you need time to move people and shut the system down. based on what we knew, with all due respect, not from the media, but from weather services and governmental agencies on friday we had to make that call. >> i was in new york towards the end of last year, late december, when there was this 18-inch blizzard overnight. coming from england where an

inch of snow renders the country incapacitated for years i couldn't believe mayor bloomberg was hammered by the media within 48 hours for not clearing the streets up. but he was being hammered. it was clear to me then after i did a bit of research that seeing politicians in america get fired regularly for not reacting quick enough to the extremes of weather that you get in this country, there is a cynical view and it may or may not be cynical, that mayor bloomberg this time was determined not to get caught in the trap again. so went overboard on hurricane irene. how would you respond to that? >> you know, the snow response was absolutely unacceptable. the city simply didn't do its job delivering service to new yorkers. no question about it. that's why we had very aggressive oversight hearings on that in the council. that said, what we put in plan

with the mayor put in place this past weekend was a hurricane coastal plan developed in 2006. this wasn't a political plan. this wasn't a response to the snow. this was a plan that was developed after katrina and implemented based on all of the weather data that we had. it really wasn't about politics. it was about what we could do to keep people safe and protect the mass transit system based on info we had on friday knowing we needed well over a day to get everything implemented. >> christine, let me hold you there. stay with me. i want to bring in people on opposite sides of the debate. one is a new york times media reporter and another is from the washington times. i believe you are in the it wasn't overhyped camp. >> i was in nags head feeling the winds and i was still

finding sand in my hair and ears this morning. it is not good to be out in winds like that. we're lucky it wasn't worse in new york. the idea that it was hyped seems ludicrous to me. >> joe, you're ludicrous apparently. how do you responsibility? >> i don't want to argue that there shouldn't have been a tremendous response to this and preparations with the worst case scenario, but stay flexible. we do it with snowstorms. 72 hours it will be a terrible snowstorm. the night before we say, hey, it dissipated. they knew this storm was losing -- unlike what chad said, they knew tf losing the central location in the eye wall. they knew it was weakening. it was a category three over the ocean. category one on land and got weaker and weaker. they knew it. they weren't flexible enough to tell people what was happening and how this was becoming less of a threat all the way through the entire process.

>> with respect, joe, in vermont tonight they are not looking at this as overhyped. if anything they are looking at it as underhyped. isn't it the truth that new york city got very lucky that the hurricane didn't score a direct hit, wasn't as powerful at that moment it could have been but vermont has been hammered a lot harder than people imagined it would be. the idea that the overall look at hurricane irene is it was overhyped, tell it to people in vermont tonight. >> well, i agree with you. and the commander you had on as well. that's the point i'm trying to make. we have accounts that there were 13 million people in new york, a lot of response needed there. where was the coverage about vermont? i watched three days straight of wall-to-wall coverage. never heard vermont mentioned once. all i heard was new york city nonstop. >> as chad myers rightly pointed out the reason is that new york city has this vast population tightly housed.

if there had been a direct hit, the devastation to life, limb, construction would have been tremendous. if you had been running fema or president obama would you have taken the risk? 27 people have been killed by this hurricane. how many have to be killed before you assess this as serious enough to take the measures they took? >> that's not what i'm saying. i'm not saying they shouldn't have had a response or prepared for it. the question was when it started to change how much information should the public have? if it's moving away from a category three. there was category five coverage for a category one storm. the last nine states it went through it was a tropical storm. >> let's go to chad myers. you have heard what joe has to say. he thinks basically you're wrong. what do you have to say? >> i looked at the other storms that were the same pressure.

wilma, gene, ivan, charlie. i covered them all. i was on the ground watching those come on shore. when i saw the pressure was 955 headed to new york city i'm glad the hurricane center didn't let the guard down. >> brian, i will bring you back in here. we are on the sixth anniversary of what happened in katrina. i can only begin to imagine what would have happened if the media had underwarned people and had a katrina scenario in new york city. >> six years ago the media was late to find out about the flooding. that's a case like vermont actually where they were too focused on the coast, on the beach. that was the same -- the same was true in this story. too much attention on the beach. if we had more meteorologists, trained scientists in journalism they would have been looking at the inland flooding, the sound, places like vermont. that's why we need more chad

myers on the air and experts who can do that for us. >> that's not the meteorologists told us. they were telling us it would be devastating along the coast. they were saying little mention of inland flooding. >> that's not true. that's not even close. >> i watched none of that. let's bring in chad. you're right to be exploding with rage there. you barely stopped mentioning it. >> i said this is not going to be remembered as a wind storm. i said this is a flood-maker. irene will never be remembered as a wind event. it will be a flood event. we said it 72 hours before land fall. >> that's the problem for television. pictures of wind are easier to do. it's easier to be on the beach. you quoted one of my twitter messages that water was being sucked out of the sound. there is a bias in television toward windy pictures. >> they are good points. finally to christine quinn again. you are one of the people in

charge there. faced with the same set of circumstances would you do exactly the same thing again? >> absolutely. if the facts were what they were on a friday and we believed a storm was coming overnight into sunday i would absolutely have worked with city government to do the same thing. you know, the idea of being flexible, you need time to move people out of the biggest city in the world. then you're going to let the storm go. it could change in our favor. it could have changed back the other way. you are not going to bring people back to their homes or put the subway back up and running until the entire storm is done. once you have made the decision based on the facts with the time you need to implement it based on whatever area you govern is, you stay with that until the storm is done and hope it breaks your way. that's what happened to us in new york city. didn't happen in other parts of the country, unfortunately. >> thank you very much.

it's an interesting debate. i have to say on balance, no offense joe curl, but i would rather take my advice on weather matters from chad myers than you any day. >> thanks, pooes, appreciate it. >> no offense, joe. >> coming up, cory booker. anana] this...is the network. a living, breathing intelligence that's helping drive the future of business. in here, inventory can be taught to learn. ♪ machines have a voice. ♪ medical history follows you. it's the at&t network -- a network of possibilities... committed to delivering

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joining me now a man who led his city's response to the storm, cory booker live from the emergency operations center. a busy couple of days for you. >> it has been a busy one. i want to thank our emergency workers who have been going around the clock out there trying to help folks. >> there's been a debate in the show about whether the whole thing has been overhyped. as somebody who's been at the sharp end of, i guess, being part of the hype for good reason as far as i'm concerned what do you make of the monday morning

quarterbacks? >> you know what, for us in the trenches trying to help people out there is a song that goes, i have 99 problems and that's not one. that's academic. we have thousands without power. people with floods, sewage in their homes. there is a real crisis on our hands. i'm happy the president of the united states, our governor and others called the state of emergency. in my book it is always better to be prepared for an emergency and not have one than have an emergency and not be prepared. >> you're obviously a famous social networker in these situations. you were very active again. how successful was that for you on this occasion? obviously with the blizzard it was successful. is it a different thing dealing with a hurricane with mass flooding and so on? >> remember, social media is a great tool. it shouldn't replace boots on the ground. we were out there knocking on doors in areas we thought would flood having direct face-to-face conversations with residents. that's the best way.

i went out early morning on the day the hurricane hit. found many homeless people huddled by our penn station. those things help. social media is a tremendous tool. as i was waiting for your cameras to begin i was going back and forth with residents about information asking them to direct message me their phone numbers so i could contact them. it is a powerful tool to be in touch with tens of thousands of my residents and i can crowd source ways i never could have done where i have people telling me where there are downed trees, downed power lines. we want them to use our 4311 information line but for many residents who are social media able to get that information is helpful to me as a manager. >> the only problem with social media, i read a tweet that came in saying my blue suit is blinding the person who tweeted it. >> well, you know, look, what i like about social media is sometimes it deals with

trivialities but people get a window into what's going on with me. i get to be my authentic self. i make corny jokes but when it comes to a high state of emergency i find it a tool where i can get out critical information to thousands of people in an instant. when something happens i can let people know through press releases and our city's tv station and also go on facebook and twitter and let people know. people in urban areas use twitter more so than the general population. everybody has a smartphone or device where they can use to communicate with friends. it's nice when they follow me that i can jump in and let them know about urgent information or important facts that can help keep families safe and informed? >> michele bachmann said today in sarasota, i don't know how much god has to do with the

attention of politicians. we had an earthquake, a hurricane. are you going to start listening to me here? what do you make of that? >> i'm a person of faith. i hate it when people don't realize one of the most fundamental aspects of faith is humility. for anyone to think they know what god is thinking is arrogant. i do believe we have a divine creator. i feel humble for him. but what i think he wants me to do is stop talking about him so much and start trying to live his message and show my faith not through what i say but what i do. >> i think she was kidding but it doesn't seem a perfect subject to be joking about, to be honest. >> right. i shouldn't be quick to judge either. the quote could have been taken out of context. >> there is a time and a place. cory booker, thank you very much. >> piers, thank you for keeping everybody informed. cnn has done a great job helping my residents out with important

information. >> i'm happy to be guilty of the charge of overhyping hurricane irene. >> yes. continue. the real danger is the next hurricane people will take this overhype thing and think, this time i don't need to be super cautious. that makes me worry. it is so much better to be overcautious than later to be overregretful. >> couldn't agree more. cory, thank you very much. you have heard beyonce's baby news. coming up, wait until you hear what she told me about it on june 27th. work out whether you think she knew at the time. next a man who is not shy about his opinions. he's promised to, quote, raise hell tomorrow night. mark cuban is already raising hell with my camera line. "hey wrinkle face!"

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billionaire dallas mavericks owner mark cuban is a man of strong opinions. he tweeted this afternoon he's going to, quote, raise some hell tonight on this show. mark cuban joins me now. welcome. >> great to be here p.m. you're going to raise hell? >> absolutely. >> you got here from dallas on your jet which is the single most expensive purchase ever done electronically. is that right? >> true. >> talk me through this. >> i decided i could afford a few gulf stream jet.

so i e-mailed gulf stream, send me the details and line up a test flight. took the test flight, liked it. checked with my pilot i hired, he liked it. i said, send me the details. they sent me a price. i negotiated a little bit, said, let's do it, wired the money and next thing you know, old mark is traveling by jet. >> purchased a jet. >> the biggest and the best. >> i was told it was $14 million. >> yeah, 40. >> which you could have bought michael vick for that. he's signed a six-year $100 million contract with the philadelphia eagles, of which $40 million is guaranteed. a jet versus michael vick. what do you prefer? >> i like my jet. you talk about a comeback story. >> amazing. >> he went from jail to having problems to $40 million in the bank. that's the american way, right? >> is it ethically right that he should be able to do this given what he was found guilty of? >> america loves second chances.

that's what we are all about. hopefully he learned his lessons, learned from his mistax and he'll be a better person for it. at the same time eagles fans are the least forgiving of all fans in north america. if he missteps they will shoot him down. it was a risk, i'm sure. more power to him. >> if you could have signed him, would you have done? >> i have no idea. it's hard enough knowing what to do in the baseball world. >> would you have had a moral problem with it? >> i try to get to know the guys. you try to figure out who the knuckleheads are and there are knuckleheads in every sport. if i thought he was a knucklehead, i wouldn't do it. if i thought he had learned and grown from his mistake, no. >> any knuckleheads on your current team? >> i'm not allowed to talk about my current team. >> the other shocking news is nancy grace is taking part on "dancing with the stars." >> is she?

it was the most physically taxing thing i had done in my 40s ever. it's a grind. >> i think nancy's energy level will be fantastic. >> it's about not wanting to make a fool of yourself, practicing six, eight, ten hours a day to get dance steps down. more power to her. >> she has a name. it's tot mambo. >> i want to see her do it. i had to learn to do a booty shake. they spent a day teaching me. nancy, good luck with the booty shake. >> you started life as a waiter. >> yep. >> earning whatever it was. a few dollars. what did that teach you? what's the business ethos of mark cuban? >> i learned that ksh you know, i started with nothing. i was living with six guys in a three-bedroom apartment eating mustard and ketchup sandwiches. it made me realize i'm one mistake from being back there. i recognize what it's like to

have nothing. i know what it's like to come home and your lights are turned off. it made me appreciate the effort of others and respect people i work with. it made me work harder. >> famously you want people to e-mail you. can they e-mail you if they watch this? >> mark@hd.net. >> how quickly do you respond? >> i'm quicker to delete than respond. >> you have a great theory about which kind of e-mails you respond to. talk me through it. >> if it's legitimate. if you have a business idea. >> when do you immediately delete is? >> the minute they start with a sob story. i flunked out of school. start with the sob story, forget it. if you start off and said, you know, i would be rich, but somebody stole my idea.

millions of dollars of people who presented businesses to me who i never met. to this day i wouldn't know them if i saw them. there were successful businesses. >> the key is they have to have a deep understanding of their product. they have to demonstrate to you a potential for profit. >> correct. the one thing we can all control is effort. a lot of people don't put in the work. they think they have the work and that's enough. i want someone who's dug in, done their homework, knows what's going on. you have to be the smartest person in the room about the idea, the business and the industry. if you can show me quickly that you have done it, then i'm interested. >> speaking of your biggest failure -- >> oh, my goodness. i tried selling powdered milk. i sold things door to door. professionally, you know, when i had broadcast.com there was the digital millennia copy right act that i didn't fight that killed the online music industry.

i have made little mistakes and big wins. >> you describe yourself as a very lucky -- i won't repeat the rest -- but a lucky man. luck isn't all a part of the mark cuban story. from what i know, self-confidence is very important. not being afraid to take risks and maybe fail. also what differentiates entrepreneurs from somebody else is you are prepared to back yourself. >> that's the thing. i don't think i take many risks because i bust my ass. if i'm getting into something i want to make sure i know it better than anybody. that's a matter of effort. especially in the online world. you had to go to the library, talk to people. you can learn almost everything about anything. we live in an open book world. it's a question of effort. if you are not willing to commit everything, why would i invest in you? >> when we come back, i want you to unload merry hell on the politicians of this country. >> done. ananananananannouncer ] this...is the network.

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my special guest mark cuban. someone tweeted me and said mark cuban's interview on the show tonight is legit. seems like a decent smart guy. i think he's talking about you. unlike how the media and entourage portrays him. >> if i cared. >> what about "entourage"? i liked you.

>> i thought it was call. i should have brought evian. >> what was it like working with jeremy piven? is he like ari gold? >> he's intense. when i went in he was all over me, giving me a hard time. i didn't know they were going to bring me back for more episodes. he let me have it as a rookie. i held my ground, had fun with him. >> it was a fun show. let's go to politics. >> uh-huh. >> washington right fou seems in a real mess. it seems there is a total disconnect between people in america where they cannot come together and improve the country. you are a very successful american entrepreneur and businessman. what do you make of it? >> first, politicians are all about dogma and doctrine. they think by spewing doctrine voters will be happy. balanced budget, cut taxes. what's missing is actual action items. nobody is saying here are the

thinks we need to do. just the fact of the way we present everything. think of this. in china they do five-year plans. here we do ten-year plans. they create a super committee to try to cut the deficit over a ten-year period. >> it's so self-defeating. >> it's worse than bureaucracy. we know we are lying to each other. every citizen knows it. there is no chance in hell everything will happen the way you plan. there is no business that says we are going to do a ten-year plan. it's right now based off what's going on now but we continue to lie to ousts when there are so many things we want. i hope this coming election is about action items as opposed to doctrine from either side. >> warren buffett says guys like he and you should pay more tax. >> he's right. we should pay more taxes and there should not be a differentiation between capital gains and regular income.

the thing about the american spirit that i'm so proud of is any business i have looked at and any entrepreneur i have talked to including myself, no one sits down and has a conversation about capital gains versus regular income. either you have a great idea like we were talking about earlier. you believe in yourself and you're ready to go for it or you're not. >> almost every republican and certainly all the candidates for the nomination all say if you raise income tax even with the super rich it's punitive. it deters people from doing business. is that right? >> it's not right. that's not the big problem. it's not so much the revenue coming in. it's how we spend revenue. any business, when you put money into your business, you better have it go down to where it's supposed to go. is it supposed to be in product, to the consumers, to profits? in the united states government it goes in 50 different dreks. we are so inefficient in how we use funding. i don't have a problem paying taxes. i have a significant problem giving capital to somebody

putting good money after bad. if i were able to direct -- if there was a government program and you said, mark, here's what your tax is going to be. you cover it, you pay for it, i will write the check. writing a check to the u.s. treasury, it's going to waste. that's a problem we have to correct. >> president obama came in on a big ticket of change, hope and so on and audacity. do you think he's given america that or has he failed america? >> he's failed but not through fault of his own. well, he's failed through one significant fault of his own. that's lack of transparency. he said, everything we do will be transparent. i was excited about that because what we have now in this day and age with social media, technology, with the internet is if you are able to put information out there, the intellect of america, the advantages we have as a group, what we would be able to accomplish if everybody had access to the information would be so much greater. the sum would be greater than the whole. i think we blew it by not have

been everybody be transparent. >> who of the republican candidates do you think could make a president? >> they all could. >> who would make a good one? >> none of them yet for the same reason. they are all about doctrine, dogma. they are all about what they think republicans should believe in as opposed to what we as americans or what the government should be doing. >> is anybody out there whose rhetoric you like? >> no i.'s all rhetoric. it's one thing to say we shouldn't have the federal reserve. then what? it's another to say, we want to cut taxes. then what? give me action items. give me specifics. post them online. let everybody dig in and say this is what's ing rooigt and wrong. i said, let's get rid of software patents, business method patents. there is so much money wasted. >> have you thought of running? >> are you kidding me? >> you have done everything else. >> well, no, absolutely not never crossed my mind. patents, you can do things like tear down homes that were foreclosed on that have government-bakd mortgages.

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joined once more my special guest mark cuban. if you're watching mark cuban right now, you'll realize he needs to run for president. hash mark, mark cuban 2012. i must imagine one of the great days of your life june 12, 2008. i was in a bar watching, assuming the miami heat was going to win. one of the most amazing events for dallas, for you, for the american dream, for all of us. looking back on all of it, how did it feel to you? >> it was amazing. the playoffs run 57 days, and for me it was 56 days, 23 hours and, you know, lots of minutes of pure stress and anxiety, and i really didn't start to enjoy it until there was about 30 second left in the game. and it finally dawned on me that we had beat the evil empire, and all those doubts -- literally our first round against

portland, people were calling us the one and done boys, meaning one series and we'd be kicked out. we lost a game we were up 23 points and rebounded from that, then fell behind to miami. but after game 3 of the miami series, our guys said, they aren't making any adjustments. we got 'em. so the confidence was through the roof. >> the moment you knew you had won, what was going through your head? >> i watched the video, and i just screamed. i just literally screamed. all that anxiety just letting out. >> did you think of anybody? >> i thought of my dad, i thought of my wife, my brothers. and the one thing i had planned, because i'm so superstitious, i don't want to jinx this, was to bring down donny carter and his wife, the original founder of the mavericks. i wanted him to experience it because he started the team, and he eats, sleeps, lives and dies with the team. when we played l.a., he said to me, you know, mark, i don't know how much time i have left, but

if we can win this, it would be the crowning moment of my life. so when we did win it, that was the one thing i wanted to do, was let him hold the trophy up before any of us, and that was a special moment. >> it was a very special moment. enough americans decided they quite like mark cuban to work his magic on america, what would you say? >> i'm not going to buy another sports team. >> mark cuban, it's been a pleasure. >> i really enjoyed this. >> thank you very much. when we come back, beyonce told me about her baby news back in june.

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the big buzz on last night's mtv vmas was, of course, this extraordinary moment from beyonce showing off her baby bump for the very first time. [ applause ] >> and all i was thinking as i was watching it was what she told me when i interviewed her on june 27 back in london. >> you're 29 years old. >> yes. >> and in september the blooming, dooming big 3-0 is emerging in your life.

you're pretending to be very, very thrilled about it. are you? >> i am absolutely serious, i can't wait. because 29 is very strange. you're still in your 20s but you feel like you're supposed to be 30, and i feel like a woman. i feel, you know, like i'm very aware of who i am, and i feel great, and i feel like 30 is the ideal age because you're mature enough to know who you are and to have your boundaries and your standards and not be afraid or too polite, but you're young enough to be a young woman. i'm so looking forward to it. >> when i hear you speak like this in this mature, sensible, rational way -- >> it's the truth. >> but you're beginning to sound like your mother, which tells me you're hitting the time in your life -- >> i sound like my mom. it's time for me to have a baby. >> i didn't even ask the question. >> i always said i would have a baby at 30. i'm 29.