hello, everyone. i'm randi kaye reporting live in los angeles today. we'd like to return you now to the trial of dr. conrad murray where alberto alvarez, an assistant to michael jackson, is still on the stand. >> now, looking at the 100 milliliter propofol bottle, does that appear -- does that appear to be the same bottle that you saw inside of that saline bag? >> yes, sir. >> okay. >> going back then, let me ask you, do you see in this enlarged

photograph that the saline bag -- you see where it has a slit or a cut in the bag where i'm pointing in people's 28? >> yes, i can. >> okay. did you observe that on that day, june 25th, 2009? >> no, sir. >> and again, referencing your diagram where you had drawn an apparatus at the bottom of this saline bag, would that -- can

you see those two pictures, mr. alvarez? >> yes, sir. >> the saline bag that you drew as reflected in people's 27 on the right here, you show the saline bag coming down and terminating, and then it appears there is an additional apparatus attached to it. is that accurate? >> yes, sir. >> looking at the saline bag as reflected in people's 28, is the apparatus visible or would the apparatus have been, to your recollection, connected to this port? >> it is not visible, sir. >> okay. so to be clear, people's 28, what i'm calling a port, you see this -- you understand to what i'm referring at the bottom of people's 28 as it is shown right now? >> yes. >> that will be reflected in people's 27 as this portion above -- >> all right, you've been listening there to a bit of the testimony from alberto alvarez at the conrad murray trial. we'll continue to watch that trial throughout the program. most people as you can imagine

probably don't have a head of logistics, but michael jackson wasn't most people, of course. day three of testimony in the manslaughter trial of jackson's in-house doctor well under way as you've been seeing here on cnn with the aide who handled the details of jackson's day to day life, the details of his untimely death and the actions of dr. conrad murray on that chaotic day are the focus of the prosecution questioning. here is more of alberto alvarez from just moments ago. >> what happened when you first walked in to the room? >> when i walked in to the room and i turned toward my right, i observed mr. conrad murray giving chest compressions to mr. jackson. >> okay. sew proceeded into the room. front of you. >> yes. >> and evidently had gone over to where michael jackson was located. >> correct. >> was giving compressions. >> yes, sir. >> just minutes later, alvarez says murray's attention actually turned from cpr to clean-up. he says murray told him to

gather up vials of medication. >> so you held the bag open and he would what? just drop the vials in there? >> yes, sir, he would reach into the bag and drop the vials. >> okay. and did you then put that bag somewhere? >> yes. he proceeded to instruct me. he said, "now place that bag in a brown bag." and there was a brown bag that was on the side of a chair on the floor. >> okay. >> yesterday's testimony was a wrenching account of jackson's death as seen by his former top assistant and by his head of security. >> and does this depict -- >> reporter: you're looking at the bedroom where michael jackson took his last breath shown inside the courtroom. one of jackson's security guards faheem muhammad had been called to the house when jackson stopped breathing.

>> when you came around to the far side of the bed what was conrad murray doing? >> he appeared to be administering cpr. he appeared very nervous. he was on his side. he was sweaty. >> at that time did you see michael jackson's face and his full body? >> yes. >> and what did you observe about his face at that time? >> that his eyes were open and that his mouth was slightly open. >> did he appear to be dead? >> yes. >> reporter: muhammad said at one point dr. murray asked jackson security guards if they knew how to revive someone. >> had conrad murray asked you and alberto alvarez if you knew cpr? >> yes. >> and did you see alberto go over and assist dr. murray with cpr? >> yes. >> reporter: by the time faheem muhammad had arrived, 911 had already been called, but 911 was not the first phone call conrad murray made when jackson stopped

breathing. in court, new insight into murray's state of mind from jackson's personal assistant, michael amir williams. he painted a picture of a doctor on the edge. on june 25th, 2009, williams received a frantic voice message from murray which was played in court. that message was left after michael jackson had suffered cardiac arrest. murray gave no indication of that on the message, only saying jackson had "a bad reaction." murray called williams, not 911. >> were you asked to call 911? >> no, sir. >> did you, upon hearing that message, call dr. murray? >> yes, sir. >> did he ask you to call 911? >> no, sir. >> reporter: in court, williams was also asked about murray's strange behavior at the hospital as news spread that the king of pop was dead. >> what, if anything, was the request of conrad murray? >> he said that there is some cream in michael's room -- or

house -- i believe room that he wouldn't want the world to know about and he requested that i or someone give him a ride back to the house. >> did you agree to take conrad murray back to the house? >> no, sir. >> williams told the court he was so spooked by murray's behavior he asked jackson security to lock up the house and not allow murray back inside. but defense attorney ed chernoff pointed out williams waited months before sharing his concerns with authorities. >> mr. williams, the very first time you told the police about dr. murray wanting to get some cream was on august 31st, 2009. correct? >> yes, sir. >> this was over two months after michael jackson had had died. >> reporter: williams told the jury he frequently saw oxygen tanks at jackson's house. oxygen is required by the fda to be on hand when propofol is being used in case the patient has to be resuscitated. >> can you describe what you personally saw in that regard?

>> it was normal for oxygen tanks to be there and if they were there would bring him to the bottom of the stairs and the chef or the children would bring them up but it was normal to see the oxygen tanks the last few months. >> that would be the period of time that you knew conrad murray was coming on an almost nightly basis? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: even with all those oxygen tanks, michael jackson never had a chance. as the defense says, he died so quickly, he never even closed his eyes. and we'll get back to the people versus conrad murray in just a few moments with a former attorney for michael jackson himself, tom mesereau will join me live in our next segment, along with cnn's own dr. sanjay gupta. that's at ten past the hour right here on cnn. some other big stories that we're following developing right now. let's take a look. a massachusetts man is accused of planning to bomb the capitol and pentagon with model airplanes packed with plastic explosives. he was arrested after sharing the plan with fbi agents posing

as al qaeda operatives. cnn's brian todd tells thus was the only the first step in his alleged plot. >> had he plans to bring two teams of people, at least six people, in to fire on these buildings while people evacuated them. no there's no indication on any of these documents or from federal officials separately of any other conspirators in this plot. but they say that he did plan on flying these planes into these buildings with explosives and then firing on people as they tried to evacuate. >> reporter: we will hear more from brian next hour. the accused mastermind is a u.s. citizen with a degree in physics. food inspectors are fanning out today to make sure supermarkets have gotten rid of cantaloupes blamed for a deadly bacteria outbreak. melons from a colorado farm are contaminated with listeria. the bacteria has killed 13 people and health officials say at least 72 people have become sick from eating tainted cantaloupes. the deaths and illnesses have been reported in 18 states from

california to maryland. the cdc says listeria can cause fever, muscle aches, diarrhea and other gastrointestinal symptoms. it can take three weeks for those symptoms to show up. now in california, one of two fullerton police officers charged in the alleged beating death of a mentally ill homeless man was released on $1 million bail today. manuel ramos left the orange county jail shortly after midnight after family and friends raids sufficient funds to post the bail. ramos is charged with second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter in connection with the death of this man, a 37-year-old kelly thomas. prosecutors say the homeless man begged for his life as fullerton police tasered him and beat him. another officer charged with involuntary manslaughter was released last week on $25,000 bail. all this week cnn is taking an in-depth look at why our government is so broken. well, today a handful of u.s. house members passed a spending bill that will keep the government funded through next

tuesday when the full house returns from recess next week, it will take up a more comprehensive bill to keep the government running for seven more weeks. this is all part of a compromise reached in the senate last week to avoid a government shutdown at the end of the fiscal year which happens to be tomorrow. congress has been bickering over the funding for fema's disaster aid and managed to agree on the funding measure only after fema said it had enough money to make it through the end of the week. why did dr. conrad murray wait so long to call for help the day michael jackson died and why didn't he tell paramedics on the scene everything that he knew? especially everything about the drugs that michael jackson had taken. those are just some of the questions in the trial today. we've got some insights on how the defense plans to sway the jury from our sanjay gupta. that's coming up next.for . thank you so much, i appreciate it, i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money ?

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conditions apply. what did dr. conrad murray do? what didn't he do and how did he act in the final frantic moments of michael jackson's life? that is what jurors will hear today in the trial from two paramedics who were there on scene. jook s jackson's chief of security faheem muhammad testified when he arrived at the jackson home, dr. murray asked if anyone else in the room knew cpr techniques. yes, a cardiologist asking if anyone else knew cpr techniques. paris and prince witnessed murray trying to resuscitate their lifeless father. joining me now to talk about this case, former jackson attorney, tom mesereau and chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. thank you both. tom, let me start with you. we heard from alberto alvarez this morning on the stand in

court. he's an assistant to michael jackson. he testified that dr. murray told him to take the vials of medicine from jackson's bedroom and put them in a bag, to get rid of them, in a sense, also to take the bag from the iv stand. how damaging could that be? what does that say to you? >> it's very damaging. it indicates consciousness of guilt. when you factor that with his not telling paramedics or police that he had given propofol, when you add to that that he went to the hospital and never told people at the hospital that had he had given propofol and these are people trying to save michael jackson's life, they're trying to revive him. it all looks very damning for the defense. >> and sanjay, i want to bring you in here. a lot of what we heard yesterday in court was about what happened in the bedroom at the moment that michael jackson died. you've been able to get from your sources some information. >> right. i talked to sources with the defense team who basically laid out a pretty specific description.

they say that dr. murray did give michael jackson propofol and they say he waited ten minutes or greater. i'm quoting them now -- before he left the room. he said the left the room at that point but what they say next is quite striking. they seem to indicate that minl was -- quote -- again i'm quoting these sources -- he was again playing oppossum, he was feigning sleep, he got up after murray left the room and took more pills and gave himself propofol -- more propofol. he had already been given some. then murray came back in the room later on and essentially found michael jackson looking deceased. they say his arms were open, his pupiled were dilated, he did not look to be alive. that's again according to these sources. that's quite striking. that's how they're sort of putting it together in their own defense. >> right. tom, let me turn to you on that. you and i were watching some of the testimony together just a few moments before we came on the air here and there was some talk of this condom catheter

that michael jackson was wearing. now sanjay's saying that the defense is going to try to say that he got up. what do you say about that? if he was wearing a condom catheter, how would that work? >> well, i'm not a physician, but a condom catheter suggests to me that he's not going to get up and start doing things in secret behind his physician's back. a condom catheter suggests to me that he's out on the bed and that he's not going to be moving too far. it doesn't help the defense as far as i can see. >> i think both are correct. the reason you put a catheter on like this is because you assume the person's not going to be able to get up and go to the bathroom. >> so what does that say to the defense strategy? is. >> i think it makes it very unlikely. but -- this is the difficulty of these sorts of things -- is that you could eventually get up and walk around with a catheter. people walk around with foley catheters for example. it's not what it is designed to do obviously but it is possible.

not likely but possible. >> tom, taking a look at the trial so far, how do you think the prosecution's doing and what do you think the defense is going to need to do later on today after this? >> well, i think both sides gave very good opening statements. i thought the prosecutor was clear and powerful. he explained the scientific and forensic aspects of the case in a very clear, understandable way. he explained the human aspects of case in a very powerful way. i thought the defense lawyer also gave a very passionate opening statement and i thought he appeared very prepared and he's aggressively defending his client which he's supposed to do. remember the prosecution always has the advantage of going first so they always look a lot better when they go first. however, this is a long distance run. you can't just gauge it in terms of innings or football quarters. everything fits together somehow at the end. i think it is a strong prosecution case and i think the

doctor is guilty. >> let me ask you, sanjay, about these oxygen tanks. that was another thing that has been talked about quite a bit in the testimony, that there was this regular shipment -- regular supply of oxygen tanks at michael jackson's home. can you help us understand why they would need to be there and for what they would be used? >> the best i can put it together, when people are being given these types of medications, including the rope follow, including the sedatives, including the antianxiety medicines, one of the effects of these medications they can slow down your breathing. make your diagram move more slowly and as a result the person is not getting enough oxygen just from room air. what happens in a situation like this is either the patient gets a breathing tube which is what happens in a hospital where medications like propofol are typically administered, or they're given oxygen to sort of increase their oxygenation to try and offset some of the side effects of these medications. for a 50-year-old man who is otherwise, even by dr. murray

himself, pronounced as healthy, i can't see any other reason why he would need oxygen, at least that much of it, on stand by. >> everybody who testified said it kept coming. >> signs were there saying don't forget it so they were really concerned about this. >> tom, one more word to you. the defense is certainly trying to paint michael jackson as a drug addict. what -- why that strategy and how does that play with the jury, do you think? >> well, there are a number of levels to that defense. first of all they want to devalue michael jackson. they don't want the jury to feel as much sympathy for him because they're trying to claim he was addicted to medications. they also want to set the stage for trying to make their client look like a good samaritan. that he was faced with an addict that he did his best to try to help him out during a difficult period and that unfortunately it didn't work. i think that's the painting they're trying to paint. it is what it is. >> if he final thoughts, sanjay? >> obviously there's got to be a

lot in these various medications. one that came up with demerol usage recently. and whether he was an addict or whether he was getting demerol for relatively minor procedures by other doctors. that's another area the defense is sort of portraying this, whether it was michael jackson's undoing or doctors enabling him, so to speak, not just murray but others. i think you'll hear more and more about that. >> sanjay gupta, great to have you here and your expertise. tom mesereau, thanks to you as well. up next, a country where every month hundreds of men, women and children are killed, raped or forced into slavery. it is our "undercovered" story of the day. we'll be right back. enters the bloodstream faster, and rushes relief to the site of pain. it's clinically proven to relieve pain twice as fast. new bayer advanced aspirin. your nutritional needs can go up when you're on the road to recovery. proper nutrition can help you get back on your feet.

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welcome back. glad you're with us. if you've been watching the news today, you might have heard a lot about the cantaloupe listeria outbreak that's killed 13 people in 18 states, or michael jackson's death trial, but i'm willing to bet you haven't heard much about southern sudan where in the last five years, 10,000 children and young adults were abducted into slavery. according to the non-profit angels beast africa. southern sudan is a north african country bordering sudan, ethiopia, kenya, congo and the central african republic. it is actually the world's newest country after gaining independent from sudan on july 9th but still poverty stricken despite containing the majority of known sudanese oil reserves. although the last civil war ended with the 2005 peace agreement, southern sudan is still plagued by militant rebel

groups and slave traders. one of the most infamous of these groups is the lords resistance army led by self-declared mystic and prophet joseph kony which claims his insurgency which began in 1986 is aimed at replacing uganda's government with a democracy based on the bible's ten commandments. they're known for hacking off the lips or hearsay of victims. they kill and rape without remorse, leaving behind a scattered trail of missing children, looted villages and burned out huts. they replenish their ranks through abducting young men and boys. the new york-based advocacy group human rights watch estimated in 2010 700 young men and boys were abducted in a single 18-month period. other estimates reached the hundreds of thousands. coming up next hour, we will introduce to you a man who's been nicknamed the machine gun preacher. yes, the machine gun preacher. a gun-wielding ex-con who's dedicated his life to fighting the group and save sudanese

children and he's the subject of a new movie "the machine gun preacher." i'll ask the preacher if he considers himself a missionary or mercenary for his tactics. some do call it extreme. the defense in the amanda knox appeal trial has just wrapped up its closing arguments. we are live in perugia, italy right after this break.

in italy, closing arguments have just wrapped up in the appeal trial of amanda knox. lawyers for the american student and her former boyfriend are trying to convince a jury that their fronts were wrongly convicted of murdering knox's british roommate meredith kercher in 2007. in 2009 knox was sentenced to 26 years in prison for that murder. her co-defendant got 25 years. paula hancocks is in perugia, italy. tell us what happened today in court. >> reporter: an emotional day in court with the defense taking another crack at this, randi. they were very passionate saying amanda knox was crucified by the media and aided and abetted by a

prosecution that they say made up a story about why and how amanda knox murdered meredith kercher and more to that they tried to pick apart the evidence saying it was botched from the beginning, from the police, they didn't know what they were doing, they contaminated any evidence that there was and they continue to portray amanda knox as an innocent young woman from the united states, a mere baby, they said, who didn't know any italian and was tricked into giving some sort of a confession with no lawyer present. to add to all this though, randi, the defense knows that what they had to do was make sure that they pick apart the evidence primarily but then also point out that there was no motive. i want you to hear now from not only amanda knox's defense but then her father. take a listen. >> i think the biggest thing is really the independent export's report. i mean that was something that we had asked for during the first trial since there was such a discrepancy between the prosecution and the defense and

with them coming back and essentially eliminating any of the physical evidence of amanda and rafael in that room, under the prosecution's scenario, i think that's probably the biggest piece right there. >> because it is a big mistake. there's a principle of law that you need evidence. there's no evidence here so we're very comfortable this will be accepted and recognized by the court. >> reporter: what's so interesting, randi, is that really the evidence was there but this time there wasn't any change in the evidence that was there. but this time the evidence pointed to some doubt. they had those forensic experts that came in this time that weren't included in the last review that said, look, there isn't enough dna evidence here to conclusively link amanda knox an her former boyfriend to this murder. randi? >> from what i understand, paula, amanda's actually supposed to give a prepared statement in the court on monday. do you have any information on what we're expected to hear from

her? >> well, her family certainly says she's been thinking about nothing else for the last few days. you can only imagine you've got 15 minutes to plead with the jury to set you free. what's so gnaws at amanda knox she keeps saying to her lawyers an her family why won't they believe me? for this short period of time she's got to be able to connection with that jury, six lay people, two professional judges and say look at this evidence, i am not guilty. doesn't matter everything that's been writing or said about me, i had nothing to do with this murder and it is weighing on her heavily. she will be able to address the court in fluent italian. she certainly learned enough of it in her four years here but a big moment in court monday, then right after that the jury will get this case an deliberate once more. >> wow, that is hard to imagine 15 minutes to make a statement and fight for the rest your life. paula, appreciate it in a very windy perugia, italy. thank you. coming up next, one of the most monumental chokes in

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out today to make sure supermarkets have gotten rid of cantaloupes blamed for a deadly bacteria outbreak. melons from a colorado farm are contaminated with listeria, the bacteria has killed 13 people and health officials say at least 72 people have become sick from eating tainted cantaloupes. the deaths and illnesses have been reported in 18 states from california all the way to maryland. the cdc says listeria can cause fever, muscle aches, diarrhea and other gas toe intestinal symptoms. it can take three weeks for those symptoms to show up. starting this weekend cubans will be allowed to legally buy and sell new cars for the first time since the 1959 revolution. it is one of the many reforms promised by president raul castro as the communist nation moves toward great e economic freedom. preechl only cars that were in cuba before the revolution could be bought and sold leaving the streets filled with vehicles made in the '50s. cubans will still need government permission to import

those cars. some people in boston are a little -- okay, well maybe very depressed. the red sox finished the worst final month collapse in baseball history after losing last night to the orioles ending hopes of making the playoffs. they went 7-20 in september and finished with a record of 90-72. a similar collapse also knocked the atlanta braves out of the playoffs last night. politics in america. is it only skin deep? everything is "fair game" when we come back. whether it can be y and responsibly. at exxonmobil we know the answer is yes. when we design any well, the groundwater's protected by multiple layers of steel and cement. most wells are over a mile and a half deep so there's a tremendous amount of protective rock between the fracking operation and the groundwater. natural gas is critical to our future. at exxonmobil we recognize the challenges and how important it is to do this right.

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minutes. will you? anything is "fair game," and that includes race and politics. on this network yesterday, gop presidential candidate herman cain addressed african-americans' long standing allegiance to the democratic party. here is cain with the anchor of cnn's situation room, wolf blitzer. >> many african-americans have been brainwashed into not being open-minded, not even considering a conservative point of view. i have received some of that same vitriol simply because i am running for the republican nomination as a conservative. so it's just brainwashing and people not being open minded. pure and simple. >> cain said he thinks a third to a half of african-americans are "open minded" and won't -- automatically support president obama in 2012. that leaves tens of millions herman cain believes have given up basic political beliefs and to accept contrasting regimented

ideas. that's from mirierriam-webster online. has he insulted african-americans in general and democrats in particular? i want to ask this highly opinionated panel, mary matalin is a republican strategist, and former aide to president george w. bush and vice president cheney. also with us, roland martin, a cnn political analyst and author, columnist and host of his own show on tv one cable. and john avlon is a cnn contributor, senior political columnist for "newsweek" and the daily beast. we got all that out of the way. mary, to you first. are african-americans brainwashed to lean left, do you think? >> well, there are certainly -- if you're a conservative black american, as herman cain was saying -- and i've -- we've all seen said about other conservative blacks -- you are, to use clarence thomas' unforgettable phrase --

subjected to high-tech lynchings. you're k5u8d called an uncle to. you're called an oriole. the democrats practice a kind of identity politics. you're a black american, you're a female, it is your sexual orientation. so rather than debate the policies for ascribe to failure policies, they say it is not that our policies aren't working -- you need to be continually aggrieved because if you're not, your problems continue because they hate you, they're racist, it is a patriarchal society. that's what herman cain is saying and everybody knows it. he's using language that people can understand. i appreciate it. >> roland, what do you think? >> two letters -- b.s. the reality is this. republicans put in place a separate strategy that did exactly what mary talked about -- speaking to aggrieved whites in this country saying, oh, my god, the blacks are coming, look what's happening. so as a result the gop, over a

40-year period, frankly pushed away african-americans and basically say to democrats, you have them all to yourself. the problem is that the gop refuses to have honest conversations with african-americans and i will tell you, i've had some frank conversations with many black conservatives over the years and they've had difficulties trying to get their own party to say, look, how can you talk to black folks like you would anybody else? but the gop has dropped the ball consistently over and over. herman cain should understand history to understand present day. >> so john, when you think about it, economically an in the context of civil rights, i mean shouldn't black americans be democrats? what's your thought on that? >> well, again, this shift to -- of african-americans overwhelmingly to the democratic party is rooted in history. it is a reaction to policy. 100 years ago herman cain might have said why are african-americans brainwashed to vote republican? because of the 23 african-americans who served in

congress before 1900, every single one was a republican. they wouldn't have dreamed of being anything other than a member of the party of lincoln. but then the civil rights era happened. to roland's point. of course this is a big companion with president obama being the first african-american president. this is national reaction rooted in history. i'd like to see every group in america not vote overwhelmingly. but for herman cain to make that acquisition is ignorant of the reasons rooted in history an reactions to policy that have nothing to do with brainwashing, are entirely rational. >> herman cain lived that history. he did not succumb to those kinds of policies. he is a -- >> good for him. >> he is a self-made man. so everything my colleagues here are saying is true. the history's true but the present is also true. the greatest sufferers in this economy are black americans. young black males are reaching unemployment rates of 50%.

black americans it is around 20%. so the history is true that republicans actually were good on policy, they were horrific on policies and they are suffering the consequences. but it is cry zi and disingenuous, let me say that, to say herman cain is unfamiliar with this history or wasn't subjected to the bad part of this history and has overcome it. that's why he's such an inspirational candidate. >> randi kaye, here's a perfect example, randi, of present day how it applies. i host a sunday morning show on a black cable network. we start out thursdays to sunday. in two years we've had an open invitation to every republican in the house and in the senate. two have showed up. tom price of georgia twice and allen west in the last year. republicans have said, oh, no, we don't really want to go on the show, it is too tough. michael steele when he was chairman of the party stated to the leadership, guys, here's an opportunity to talk about our policies to african-americans. they won't take it. i can show you many examples

when the gop refuses to go to places to have an honest dialogue about the issues. tom price, we had a great conversation. allen west, great conversation. but republicans by and large don't want to engage african-americans and unless you engage, they will never hear what you have to say if you run from them, then you have no shot at ever getting their votes. >> all right. we only have 20 seconds left so john, just very quickly your final thought. >> look, progress is being made to break down these stereotypes that are rooted in history. tim scott, african-american elected. you need to understand american history in light of politic and policy and just ignore the relationship between race and politics in american history is just to ignore fundamental faultline. it's always been there. you can't just dismiss it or use labels like brainwashing. >> tell your buddies come talk to me, mary.

>> great discussion, john avlon, roland martin, mary matalin -- you guys can continue this offline. we got to let you go. thank you very much, all of you. coming up, caught in the cross fire of the battle for gadhafi's hometown. thousands trying to flee sirte, a live report from the besieged city coming your way next.

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libya saying the libyan people have inspired the world by overthrowing know mar gadhafi. mccain who is one ever four visiting libya says the country's uprising is a beacon of hope for the people in iran, syria and russia. as for gadhafi, mccain said there is no doubt he was hated by tlibyan people. the battle for his hometown serte is far from over. over 200,000 are still under tleft and many are in sir it te trapped by the flighting. phil black is in sirte and joins us now. what is the latest on the fighting and are people still able to actually get out of that city? >> they are leaving in increasing numbers. there's a lull in the fighting here at the moment and that's because the anti-gadhafi fighters say they're trying to give the civilians every

possible chance to get out. hundreds a cars a day filled with families. and when we talk to them, they tell us that the last few weeks, there will has been very little food, little water, almost no electricity, as well. very rough conditions, many of them say they would like to have left a lot sooner but haven't been able to because the pro gadhafi forces within sirte have been threatening them. they believe it's their intention to try to use them as human shields, but they believe they have the opportunity to get out now, they say the pro gadhafi forces are more caught up with the military pressure that they've under, so as i say hundreds leaving. the question how is how many will need to leave before the anti-gadhafi forces outside the city believe it is safe to move in and try to put an end to this. >> we've seen so many battles there for so many different cities. but when you look at what's happening in sirte, the battle has been going on for some weeks

now. why is it taking so long? >> well, i think the revolutionary fighters would tell you the first reason is the civili civilians. they are deeply concerned about going in there and harming civilians, harming people who could be related to them through region or tribe, increases the tensions and bitterness that have already been opened through the course of this civil conflict. but also the nature of the resistance, they have moved into the city a number of times and have well prepared committed resistance in a reasoeeasonablye number of pro gadhafi forces who are able to within this very restricted urban environment rain down a great deal of fire power upon them. so whenever they've tried to go in, they're forced to pull back again. ultimately when they do decide to go in and most of the civilians are out, it's still going to be very difficult bloody battle.

>> phil black for us live from sirte. phil, thank you very much. checking other international stories for you right now, let's take a look at what else is going on. a defense lawyer in italy today argue that had amanda knox was wrong tli convily convicted of r roommate and urged an appeals jury to fully exonerate the american. knox is appealing a verdict that found her guilty of killing meredi meredi meredi meredith kirnlg cher four years ago. the state department says ford and his staff were not hurt and returned safely to the embassy in damascus. ford has been an outspoken critic against anti-government protest ors by syrian president ass assad. and in london, phil william and his wife kate opened a new children's hospital cancer unit. the royal couple met patients

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time to check in with paul steinhauser. paul, we're seeing a whole lot of that guy who says he isn't running on the campaign trail. it seems to me. what do you make of it? >> yeah, that guy of course we're talking about is new jersey governor chris christie who pretty much i think is a rock star among republicans. they've been asking him all year to run and he's been saying no, no, and suddenly this week he didn't say yes, but he didn't say no. so where is he today on the campaign trail? he's in louisiana with governor bobby jindal, another republican running for relaek this year. so he's helping out jindal because he's vice chairman of the republican governors association. so this doesn't mean that chris christie has changed his mind and is running for the white house. stay tuned on that one. >> any chance of anybody else maybe changing their mind and jumping in, maybe another gop candidate? >> and it's funny you ask that because let's talk about that.

another one from the northeast, in fact, former new york city mayor rudy squgiuliani, he's be flirting with the idea of doing it again. hasn't done it yet. but guess what we learned yesterday that one of his top political advisers is in new hampshire, the state that holds the first primary. so what's all that about? is that an indication giuliani is thinking about jumping in? stay tuned there, as well. >> i'm sure you'll keep us up to speed. nice to see you. thank you very much. hello, every. i'm randi kaye. i'm in los angeles for the manslaughter trial of michael jackson's doctor, but i want to begin with a different case, an alleged terror plot on the other side of the country. the 26-year-old massachusetts man, a u.s. citizen, is accused of plot to go bomb the pentagon and u.s. capitol with remote controlled model airplanes.

brian todd is on this story in washington for us. brian, the details are really incredible. tell us exactly what the suspect alledgedly wanted to do here with these model airplanes. >> reporter: the details are extraordinary. first i wanted to get to this indictment. is this a six count indictment that just came down against mr. ferdaus. his name is rez with an per did you say. rezwan ferdaus. attempting to provide material support to terrorists. this indictment just handed down to him. we've tried to reach his attorney through phone calls and e-mail, have not been able to get a response to these charges yet. what the federal authorities believe he tried to do was to rig model airplanes that were about one-tenth the size of actual fighter jets, one a model of an f-4 phantom, another an

f-86 saber jet. rig those with c-4 plastic explosives and fly help into the pentagon and the capital by remote control essentially using them as drones and using gps. that is what the affidavit filed in this case says. a lot of detail in that affidavit about how he planned on doing this, but basically that's what he planned on doing. and in addition, the affidavit says that he planned on launching some kind of a ground attack with two teams kochl prizing about six people total to fire on people as they tried to evacuate those people, so that in a nutshell is the lexus of this alleged plot. sg . >> you can't help but be impressed they managed to track this guy down. how did they do that? >> they used undercover operatives posing as al qaeda members, one cooperating witness who recorded conversations with him, they were tracking him in this undercover operation at least since the beginning of

this year, probably extending back to last year, but that's a little unclear. what they do say in the affidavit is that they know that he started thinking about doing will this as early as last year, but this they actually started tracking him in january of this year in this undercover operation. so it was pretty elaborate, they had cultivated him for the better part of nine months. >> it is certainly fascinating. brian todd, thanks for giving us the details. and if you're as fascinated as we are about the way that these schemes are uncovered and foiled, you'll want to stick around. in our next segment, i'll speak with former fbi assistant director much more about this case. now back to the people versus conrad murray. day three of testimony in the manslaughter trial of jackson's private in-house physician is focused on june 25th, 2009. you're watching live here from inside that courtroom. late that morning of general 25th, 2009 after a night filled

with sedatives but no sleep, murray gave his one and only patient the surgical anesthetic propofol and soon after jack so that slipped in to cardiac arrest and died. on the stand already today, jack on's former head of logistics alvarez who described murray's amateurish attempts at cpr and his orders just moments later. >> going back to what was physically what happened, so you kind of indicated to the children on leave the room. is that accurate? >> yes, sir. >> conrad murray then as you're coming back to approach him tells you michael had a bad reaction. >> yes, sir. >> did he then instruct you to take some vials or do something with some vials? >> yes. i was standing at the foot of the bed. he reached over and grabbed a handful of vials and then he reached out to me and said, here, put these in a bag. >> why were you following these

instructions to assist in collecting these vials? >> well, in my personal experience, i believe that dr. conrad murray had the best intentions for mr. jackson. so i didn't question his authority at the time. i knew it was a medical emergency. so i proceeded to follow mr. conrad murray's instructions. >> we'll keep an ear on this afternoon's testimony and cut back live if events warrant. in the meantime, i hope you'll catch my live interview with michael jackson's friend and biographier stacey brown right here in the cnn newsroom. some other big stories developing right now that we want to let you know about. food inspectors are fanning out today to make sure supermarkets have gotten rid of those cantaloupes contaminated with

listeria. it's killed 13 and at least 72 have become sick from eating those tainted cantaloupes. the deaths and illnesses have been reported in 18 states from california to maryland. the cdc says listeria can cause fever, muscle aches, diarrhea and other gastrointestinal symptoms. it can take three weeks for those symptoms to show up. in california, one of two fullerton police officers charged in the alleged beating death of a mentally ill homeless man was released on $1 million bail today. manuel ramos left after friends raised the bail. he's charged with second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter in connection with the death of 37-year-old kelly thomas. prosecutors say the home last man begged for his life as fullerton police tasered him and beat him. another officer was released last week on $25,000 bail. all this week, cnn is taking an indepth look at why our

government is so broken. today a handful of u.s. house members passed a spending bill that will keep the government funded through next tuesday when the full house returns from recess next week, it will take up a more comprehensive bill to keep the government running for seven more weeks, all part of a compromised reach last week to avoid a government shut down at the end of the fiscal year which happens to be tomorrow. congress has been bickering over the funding for fema's disaster aid and managed to agree on the funding measure only after fema said it had enough money to make it through the end of this week. a group of republican senators is in libya today for talks with the country's new political leadership, the delegation is led by senator john mccain and they'll meet with members of the national transitional council. mccain says the libyan people want moammar gadhafi brought to justice. >> i think that the people of libya, the ones that i've talked to, would like to catch him alive, they would like to see

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airplanes to attack the capitol building in washington and the pentagon. as we mentioned, a massachusetts man with a physics degree has been arrested and charged with plotting to carry out the attacks using remote controlled model airplanes packed with explosives. officials say he was arrested in an undercover operation and they stress that he posed no immediate danger to the public. joining us with special insight on this case, former fbi assistant director and cnn contributor, what do you make of this plot? >> i think it's interesting. when i first heard model aircraft, i was thinking of these little toy planes that people fly in the park and didn't realize the size and capacity. and you have plane that's more than six feet long, can carry 50 pounds of explosives, fly at 100 miles per hour and you can plug in gps coordinates. so a very dangerous device just by itself. the fact in this plot where he wanted to use that, combined

with a group of individuals firing automatic weapons and using grenades, he could launch a pretty serious attack. >> and how concerning is to you that -- this can be done remotely. >> right. it's very concerning. his intention and he had traveled to washington to decide which park he was going to have the plane take off from and how far he could control to fly it into the capitol building or another plane into the pentagon or several planes in to the pentagon. so it is concerning. i don't know personally the capacity to shoot one of these things down. once it takes off and if it can go 100 miles per hour, i don't know if there's anti-aircraft devices at the capitol, pentagon or anywhere else that could shoot something like that down before actually hits the target. >> once this thing is in the air and controlled remotely, is there really anyway to stop it,

would they even want to shoot it down? >> that's the other question, too. because to fire on it means that whatever weapons they use against it, those rockets and bullets will be landing somewhere in the d.c. metro area and could do even more damage on their own. so it's very difficult challenge to determine how they would stop it. and you have other situations where even those aircraft without explosives, if you flew that into a crowded stadium or into the mall when you have inauguration or fourth of july celebrations, could you you cout of damage. >> i know he had a degree in physics. how smart do you really need to be to buy one of these online, load it with explosives and get it going? >> actually not that smart. so he'd be smart enough no question about it. he'd already demonstrated that he had the ability to take a cell phone apart, sodder in the

necessary wires an turn that cell phone into a detonating device. so he had enough technological background to do that. and with a physics degree and whatever else he may have studied, you don't know exactly how far he could have gone, could he take internet recipeses for explosives and make his open. luckily in this case he decided to purchase c-4 from individuals that he thought were members of al qaeda, fortunately they were members of the fbi, but in so doing, he wasn't actually concocting his own ied or his own explosive device. he was using commercially or somewhat available military weaponry. >> appreciate your expertise. thank you. coming up next, a close friend of michael jackson's family, i'm going to ask him what he thinks about the argument that jack so that may have given himself that fatal

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welcome back. we're reporting live from los angeles this week. so let's get back to the michael jackson manslaughter trial now where this is taking place right here in l.a. and it is day three of testimony on the stand right now, the head of jackson he's security team. later today, we expect to hear from the paramedics called to the house and jackson's chef, as well. joining me is a very close friend of michael jackson's family, stacey brown also helped write the biography, michael jackson, the man behind the

mask. stacey, thank you so much for joining us. let me ask you first, i'm sure you've been paying close attention to this trial. i want to ask you about the defense's argument that michael jackson may have called his own death by giving himself that fatal dose of propofol after dr. ron c murray had left the room. what do you make of that scenario? >> let me say i no longer consider myself a close family friend of the jacksons. but to answer your question, i just think that in the case of dr. murray's defense, he's still a doctor. he has a htaken an oath that ev physician has taken. and he totally disregarded his responsibility and it was very

much negligent in this and perhaps an argument as we see in course is being made, perhaps he even caused the death of michael jackson. >> i do want to point out that dr. conrad murray has pleaded not guilty to this involuntary manslaughter, but i also want to ask you about the suggestion in court, that's a lot of talk about michael jackson visiting many doctors' offices, but specifically the office of dr. arnold klein, his dermatologist, where he apparently got demerol and dr. murray wasn't enmade awa even made aware of that. we've heard this recording of him slurring his words. do you know anything about those visits to dr. klein or other doctors and sort of doctors shopping, if you will? >> prior to michael jackson's death, i would say two months leading up to michael jackson's death, michael was daily, almost

daily, going to dr. klein's office and in fact paparazzi was there when he was going in and out of klein's office. to be specific, i know that tmz was there just about every day filming michael going in and out of will. and when he would come out, it was pretty obvious that dr. klein or someone in that office had given him something that made him appear to be drugged. and this was a daily thing. and apparently he was getting from what we understand demerol from dr. klein. dr. murray as his doctor, we all have doctors in our lives and most of us has had more than one doctor. anytime you go to a new doctor, they generally order the records from the past doctor. michael jackson also made it clear in 1993 that he had a problem with prescription drugs. he was an addict. so dr. murray armed with this information that the rest of the world was armed with and certainly everyone especially

given the attention that the business hat concerts was already getting, everyone knew michael was going to dr. klein's office being given medication for something. dr. murray had the responsibility to know this. >> i want to ask you about michael's children because there was some really emotional testimony while i was in court yesterday about his two older kids, prince and paris, who were tapping at the bedroom door as michael appeared lifeless. i want to play that sound bite very quickly and ask you about the kids in a moment. >> paris was on the ground balled up crying and prince was just standing there and he just had a real shock, just slowly crying type of look on his face. >> and paris was apparently later on curled up in a ball on the floor crying. how are the kids doing? >> you know, from all i've

gathered from those i've talked to that are close to the kids, they're doing spectacular. it doesn't surprise me, though, because long before michael passed, i always heard and when i was around the family on a regular basis, i always knew that michael cherished these kids and was raising them to be strong individuals. and will this doesn't surprise me that i hear that they're doing great. they're doing -- especially given the circumstances, they're doing very well. and in fact we keep hearing that prince jackson may testify in this trial. and i know that kind of puts people off a bit, but from everything that i've gathered about michael jackson and the way he raised his children, prince will probably be a powerful witness in this case. >> stacey brown, appreciate your time. thank you so much. and still ahead today, social media and the digital

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the explosion of social media really is transforming the way we live from how we communicate with each other to how we travel, even to how we do business. but it's also changing laws. case in point, a recent federal ruling that we thought you might find as fascinating as we did. the case, the united states versus musgrove. when a computer is in screen safer mode, does a police officer touching a key to reveal the contents violate the fourth amendment against searches and seizures? the answer, the court found is yes. here to discuss the case with me, cnn senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. thanks for joining me. let's explain what led to this case. local police receive a complaint about this threat posted on craigslist about a possible planned violent or violent attack at a local shopping mall. the map invited them inside.

and then while they're there, an officer sees this laptop that was in screen saver mode, he moves the mouse mode, now take us through what happens next. what do they then discover there and how it led us to where we are now. >> okay. so what happens at that point is he touches the mouse getting rid of the screen saver to show what's on the screen. it's not craigslist, but it is his facebook page. and on his status, he sees something called -- there's a reference to possible violence at the mall. again, corroborating the tip that they had gotten. and based on what the police officer sees on the facebook page, he gets arrested. >> so let me ask you this. if the computer had been up and there hadn't been a screen saver on, could police have just looked at it and looked at it

contents? would it have been the same situation? >> well, no, i think that's different. the rule is if the police are legitimately in a place like a house, and clearly they were invited into his house, no dispute about that, if something is in plain view, if there's a big knife on the table, that is clearly something the police can look at and investigate and arrest if necessary. the question is does moving a mouse to get rid of a screen saver is that something in plain view and the judge said, no, because you had to move the mouse. mopping tamong the many questios raised is who still uses a screen saver. feels very 1987 to me, flying toasters and and you would that. we all still know what a screen saver is.

what the july sadge said was ths like looking under a bed. the police officer didn't have permission to search in the house just to see what was in plain view. and that was an illegal search because he had to move the mouse. >> but couldn't these officers have just maybe checked the guy's facebook page from another computer and found the same damaging information? >> see, that's what makes the case so interesting is that it wasn't just what was on the screen, it was that what was on the screen also circulated in social media. one of the key issues always in law is do you have an expectation of privacy. the argument is by putting something on facebook, the whole point of facebook is to communicate with other people, so you don't ha't have an expecn of privacy. so if the police had gone on facebook back at the police station and looked up this guy, they had legitimate access to it. but because they moved the mouse

inside the guy's house, that made it different, that made it more like a search, that made it an illegal search. >> so what is the takeaway from this, do you think? besides don't use a screen saver. >> get rid of the screen savers, come on. no, that's not it. it's that we're in a new world and to pretend that there is one rule that applies across all of these things is foolhardy because the law is just catching up with the technology. but the cautious smart decision to make is don't put anything on facebook, don't go on social media with any sort of expectation that you can keep it private from anyone, including the police. >> it's amazing that this still continues. with all the cases that we've seen and all the warnings. jeffrey toobin, thank you so much. appreciate it. straight ahead, we are live in afghanistan where eight more

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i. nato troops are taking more losses in a week of conflicting reports on violence versus stability after ten year of war. nick payton walsh is live in

kabul. what is the latest from there? >> reporter: well, we now have learned that yesterday a total of eight nato troops died in a variety of incidents across the country, three killed in a blast in the south, three killed in a blast in the east, and two other dead in various other incidents. that's an awfully bad day of course, tragic numbers. doesn't suggest necessarily that something changed for the whole campaign yesterday, but things like this focus mindses on exactly what's happening with the violence here and actually comes as there's a huge debate going on about really how stable has afghanistan become. the united nations yesterday releasing a controversial report in which they said violence had shot up by 39% year on year. that's what they call security instance. that prompted nato to come out and say their own southwest figures suggesting that they believe in their own count different rules, different ways of accounting, that violence has in fact gone down by just 2%. so clearly very different perspectives here from the united nations, but nato who are

very clear about the narrative they're trying to explain, violence going todown, it's possible to hand over parts of the country to satisafghan secu forces. at the end of the day, people are trying to deduce exactly how calm and stable it is here or is violence just getting worse. >> when you talk about these conflicting reports and conflicting numbers, can you get a read on what's what and who might be more accurate here? >> the u.n. violence across the country, that's violence initiated by nato and violence initiated by thetal bad. they count things that nato don't count. nato today released violence which they consider to be attacks initiated by the enemy, which they say is down 2%. it's a very complicated set of

account answfigures. i witnessed nato officials trying to explain how they come to the much more positive numbers. i think it's fair to say that there is a huge a discrepancy between the numbers and it's hard to reconcile them. frankly the u.n. just putting out what they consider to be a fair count i think of exactly how these numbers are seeing a rise year on year and i believe that does tally with many feelings of afghans who aren't noticing a marked improvement in the stability across the board. >> all right, nick payton walsh from kabul for us, be safe there. coming up, nearly he have day more victims of mexico's deadly drug war. is it time to change the government's strategy in fighting the drug cartels? we'll have a live report for you right after this. meineke's personal pricing on brakes. i tell you what i can spend. i do my best to make it work. i'm back on the road safely. and i saved you money on brakes. that's personal pricing.

in mexico, there is growing fear, frustration and anger over the drug war and its mounting victims. many next caps say they're fed up with the nearly daily violence. and many are venting their anger at a government strategy aimed at defeating the cartelses that they believe have failed. rafael romo reports. >> reporter: it's not only that the five severed heads were dumped in the middle of the morning. what's shocking people is that the sack containing the heads was left right next to an elementary school. teachers refuse to work because

they're tierrified and thousand have taken to the streets to say enough is enough. >> i think what has really caught people's attention in mexico is how the violence now has reached ordinary people, working people. >> reporter: at least 140 acapulco schools closed after criminalses left messages saying that teachers who refuse to pay kick backs will be attacked. >> when i was in acapulco last week, people were saying it's everybody, it's taxi drivers, it's doctors, it's people who sell in the markets there who live hand to mouth. they're all receiving threats. >> reporter: this year alone, drug violence in mexico has claimed the lives of more than 9500 people. according to a mexico city news paper that tracks violent deaths, there have been almost 500 be headings. >> it's important to recognize that the actions of the cartel have changed in mexico.headings. >> it's important to recognize that the actions of the cartel have changed in mexico.

at one point a while ago it was just the shipment of drugs for profit. now they've changed their tactics into an in-sur againstity. >> reporter: another concern is that mexicans are so fed up with violence that they're willing to take justice into their own hands. a vigilante group that claims its only goal is to kill drug traffickers posted a video on the internet last weekend stating its intentions. the legitimacy of the video hasn't been verified. time is running out for president calderon to reduce drug violence. his six year term in office expire s in 14 months. >> rafael, what are the people in mexico saying? do they think that it's time to change the strategy that the mexican president has been using so far? >> interestingly enough, in spite of everything that we've seen, the beheadings, shoot-outs, murders, a full 67% of mexicans, two-thirds, say

that whoever wins the presidency next year should continue the same strategy of fighting the cartels head-on. this is a survey published this week and only 27% of the people who participated in this survey said it's time to change the strategy. so in spite of all that, they still want the government to fight the cartels. >> and when you hear about the frustration and the anger over what really seemed to be endless killings, what are the odds that president calderon can get reelected? >> he's finishing a six year term next december in 2012 and according to the mexican constitution, he can only be a president for one term. so it's going to be a different person and the big question right now is whether the person who succeeds him, whether it's somebody from his own party or a different party, is going to continue the same policies, but then again, based on the survey, it's apparently what most

mexicans want at this time. >> all right. rafael romo, thank you. and still ahead, a controversial new app for androids. its makers say it's supposed to be funny, but several gay and lesbian groups aren't laughing and they want google to do something about it.

is your son gay? do you know? do you even care? if you don't know and you do care, there is now an app for that. did you know that? yes, believe it or not, it's true. a french developer has released a new android app called

appropriately enough is my son gay. it purports to decipher whether or not your son is in fact gay by answers that you gave to a series of 20 questions, questions that really play on gay stereotypes, like does he dress well, is he a fan of devadevaivas and does he like musical comedies. a gay magazine blasted the app for employing a science of tired and offensive stereo typeses. joining knee discuss the app, cory johnson. thanks so much for coming on the show. i'll tell you, this one i'm still shaking my head over it. your reaction to this app. funny or not? >> well, sadly, there's nothing funny about an app that unnecessarily trivializes and promotes outdated stereotypes of gay and lesbian people. sadly will, we still see parents

who reject their children, more and more parents are accepting their children and unconditionally loving them, but an application like this really sets up bad stereotypes and gay and lesbian young people that are rejected face higher rates of homelessness, mental illness and ultimately are eight times more likely to commit suicide. so this really isn't a laughing matter. it's very own offensive and we hope that this app will be removed. >> let me share -- we did share the beginning just a few questions that are on the app but i want to share a few more so you can really get a feel for this. some of the questions include does he like football, does he take a long time to do his hair, does he have a complicated relationship with his father. i mean, cory, i would imagine there's been quite a backlash in the gay community over this. >> that first question, does he like football, is a little outrageous. i was actually captain of my high school football team and i

am a gay man. this app just that first question and the other really bizarre questions, the 20 questions that are part of this application, just show how, you know, outdated these stereotypes really are. it's 2011, we've seen tremendous quality on marriage equality. last week the united states got rid of "don't ask, don't tell." there's been significant progress for gay and lesbian americans. an app like this really just doesn't have anyplace in this day and age and it could be harm pl to gay and lesbian young people being bullied in school. >> i want to share with our viewers the french developer, they certainly responded issuing a statement saying the app was conceived with a playful approach, it is not based at all on scientific research. through hugh more is my son gay and the fourth coming novel have the sole objective of helping mothers to accept their son's homosexuality. but once again, no joke, because kids whose parents reject them

for coming out for being gay, this is very serious stuff. >> it's very serious. and as i said before, we've seen the statistics. lgbt youth who are rejected by their parents are eight times more likely to commit suicide, more likely to end up on the streets, more likely to suffer from mental illness and what android and google should be doing is promoting applications to parents to teach them how to accept their children, not promoting an application that has these outdated stereotypes. it's not funny, it's outrageous, and it's very offensive actually. >> all right. cory johnson, appreciate that. i certainly think there's work to be done on that app, as well. thank you. well, he is the subject of a new movie, a biker, an ex-con, a former drug addict and how he's saving thousands of children from rape and slaughter in

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meet the machine gun preacher. a true to life krim wcriminal w turned in to what some call an an gel. he's subject of a new movie titled machine gun preacher. the native pennsylvanian grew up to become simply a bad guy. addicted to drugs, fighting, shooting and stabbing for money, he spent time in jail and had no direction until he says he found god. and in the process of preaching the gospel in east africa 13 years ago, he started rescuing or fans in gun battles with lord

resistance army. and i'm talking real battles were lives were lost on every side. the lra is a brutal militant rebel group known for hacking off the lips of ears of victims. they kill and rape without remorse leaving behind a scattered trail of burn huts. they abduct young men and boys. according to the nonprofitage gels of east africa, they have kidnapped 30,000 children and murdered hundreds of thousands ofville allegers. joining me now, the machine gun preacher himself, sam which i will which i wioulders. you don't cover up the fact that you're, well, i'll just say it, unlikable at the beginning. was all that true about the gunfights and time in jail and a stabbing that almost killed a man? >> yes, it was. i was in jail before. i was never in prison. i was in jail.

and they really held back on who i really was 30 years ago. i don't believe they everyone hit a fraction of the person i was over 30 years ago. >> what brought you -- what took you from pennsylvania to the sudan all those years ago? >> i went on a normal mission trip that was a five week mission trip and when i went into sudan, i seen the body of a small child that stepped on a land mine. it was a few days old. but everything in the movie is based on the truth except the time line is really confused because you got 30 plus years in the two hour movie. but i stood over that body and i said, god, i'll do anything i can to help these people. and i'm still there working. >> and is that how you went really, i mean, film takes us through you going from a construction worker to a volunteer to the machine gun

preacher. i mean, you would do anything, even kill, to protect these children. >> it did go that fast -- or, excuse me, it didn't go that fast, but it was in that order. again, it was 0 some plus years. but one of the big things that i try to let people know, i got a platform now to stand up and tell the world what's truly going on in sudan. i mean, everyone knows that there has been a genocide in darfur, genocide in south sudan. south sudan got their independence now, they're building an infrastructure for a new country. but they're still fighting in the nuba mountains, in the blue nile. but they need to realize that even these small rebel groupses, they're all financed by the president of northern sudan, bashir. he's one of the only presidents in office that has had war crime charges placed on him, also. >> there is no question that

you're doing some incredible work and some very good work. you clearly have a big heart. but there are those who question your methods, who question your tactics. so today i want to ask you, do you consider yourself a missionary or a mercenary? >> you know, i wished i was a mercenary. they make good money. so i'm not a mercenary. i am a missionary. and i believe that in the country that we live in, we live in a free country, and i'm what they call a freedom fighter. so i fight that every man and every woman has freedom to serve who they want to serve and how they want to believe. and if somebody has in their mind that they don't believe that what i do is right, i fight for that freedom. and so i believe everyone has the right to believe what they like, but what i ask you is if somebody took your child or if somebody took your taem member or your mother or your father and if i said i can bring them home, what would you say?

>> well, of course, i think we all know the answer to that. from what i understand, though, you were so committed to this, you slept with a bible in one hand and an ak-47 in the other hand to make sure this orphanage of yours got done. tell me how successfuls it is today, how many children you've helped and where do they go from here. >> we have three bases in uga a uganda, we have work in ethiopia, we're getting ready to do work this somalia, as well. plus the orphanage in south sudan. we have 179 children, but those children some of them are also in uganda, also. i believe there's like 130, 125 children on the orphanage in south sudan. some of our children have been there for many, many years now. so they're actually old enough that they're in universities in southern uganda now. so i have many children being schooled also in uganda, as

well. >> and how do you feel seeing your life story in a hollywood script? >> you know, i'm getting used to it now, but for a long time, it was like a dream. i mean, most every morning i'd wake up thinking, wow, is this a dream or what, you though. but all of in begun back in 2005, i was featured on "dateline" nbc and that's kind of like when everything went on is when they featured me in sudan recescuing children. '03, '04, '05 was very serious problems going on in south sudan from the lord resistant army. and a lot of people say it's finished now. the lord resistant army is not a threat. since the first of the year, joseph coney, the lord resistant army, abducted over 1,000 people, and killed over 200. so it's not over. this man is still a threat. >> sam childers, appreciate you

coming on the show and certainly appreciate the work you're doing to help the children there. thank you so much. and if you're interested in helping out sam and his cause, go to machine gun preacher.com. cnn newsroom continues with brooke bald w brooke baldwin. when an investment lacks discipline, it's never this obvious. introducing investment discipline etfs from russell. visit russelletfs.com r a prospectus, containing the investment objectives, risks, charges, expenses and other information. read and consider it carefully before investing. ♪ [ dog barks ] [ birds chirping ] ♪ [ mechanical breathing ] [ engine turns over ]

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