google it. they are playing on tour. how did i get on the band nelson? because of the economy. ladies and gentlemen, sleep well tonight we now live in a world where you can spend $39,000 on a backpack. wonder twins, act vit. that does it for us. we'll be on again at 10:00 tonight. thanks for watching. piers morgan starts right now. tonight, one of the greatest talents in the history of television. family guy seth macfarlane. has he ever been in love? >> yes. it's really, really fantastic angry sex. >> and his thoughts on the tea party. >> my god, it would be wall to wall laughs for years. >> no holds barred. >> you just did. >> this is piers morgan tonight.

seth macfrarlane, there's a lot you don't know about him and i'm hoping that all will be revealed about the dark secret side of seth macfarlane this evening. welcome. >> oh, we're starting. i thought you were doing -- let's do it. >> no we're off and running. how do you feel about being called a genius? >> i'm a pretty docile individual. evil is my primary goal in television but i'll take it. >> you were how old when you did these draws? >> it's funny, i have no recollection of doing that so probably 2 or 3 years old. >> barney, fred, wilma -- >> barney is misspelled. >> but you were 3 years old.

clearly a cartoon genius. >> i'm not sure why fred is waving an american flag -- >> but it could be an ax. at what point did you become this twisted -- >> wilma looks like she's ready to -- i'm not going to go there. >> what is she doing? >> she's ready to make shaquille o'neal's day, it looks like. >> at what point did you go from gentle cartoon nift to an evil person. >> probably about 4, i guess. >> and where the dog stuff come from? it's hilarious but it's so -- >> yeah. a lot of that is my family. my cousins, my mother. a lot of people in my family have a very dark, twisted sense of humor that i was exposed to at a very young age and -- >> do you see the really -- dark is not the right word. you you see the absurd and

slightly sinister in everything? >> the absurd, absolutely. the sinister is something that i think people get from stewie? >> fox is a company that is schizophrenic in a lot of ways. the news division is very conservative and entertainment division is very aggressive. they kind of keep their hands out of our business within reason. >> is this great comic value for you? are you thrilled because it

gives you great material? >> michele bachmann would be the best ticket to comedy. it would be wall to wall laughs for possibly four to eight years. for me is constantly reminds myself to see the absurd and try to look at it from a comedic standpoint and that's really what people want from me. they don't want to hear me giving my personal views on politics. it's hard not to get really, really frustrated. you saw when obama was elected, it was to fix things within a few years and i thought, that's going to go south pretty fast. you figure eight years of damage has to take 16 years to fix, logically, i would think. it's much easier to -- somebody, mr. spoc, said it's far easier

to destroy than to create. you have to allow a lot more time. there seems to be this revisionist history that somehow this all started after obama got elected. >> isn't the problem -- >> it was horrible many years before that and you can't expect -- >> but obama came along as the political messiah and everything is going to change the next day. >> yeah. >> and if you didn't agree with what george bush did, that didn't matter. because hope, change, adas tea was alive. and the reality is, it doesn't work like that. >> no. >> you tweeted quite extensively the credentials. a governor from texas, that might be worth trying. >> i don't fundamentally dislike conservatives. i have a lot of conservative friends and i think that at one time -- >> do you fundamentally like

their policies? >> if this was 1955, i would probably say, republican right here. but we had a middle class then and now everything is going here and here and we have the very rich and the very poor and fewer and fewer people in between and conservative policies don't work that well in that environment. it just doesn't work. it's not that i dislike conservatives. i occasionally find myself agreeing with them. >>. it's really, really angry fantastic sex. but when you take a position as insane as denying evolution, it's not a theory. it happened. it happened. there's a great -- give me a pen and paper. i've never been able to do this on tv.

but here's my -- you can zoom in on this if you want. can you tell me who that is? >> stewie. >> how do you know that is stewie? there's pieces missing. >> because there's a resemblance. >> exactly. you don't have to be a genius -- that, to me, is evolution. >> it's the basic math adds up, it adds up, right? >> i just sped up your -- >> climate change is a position for me to take a position of denial with regard to climate change and if were being relatively new, we know about gravity and it's not

uncomfortable. >> when you see tea party candidates and they are against evolution, they think gay marriage is a sin and so on and so on, when you see all of this and the attraction that they are getting, and it's quite clear, probably and i'm not -- everybody is angry and that's what we do. and they can't all be crazy. it can't be a mob of crazy people. all i can think of is, well, they are getting a lot of really bad information. it's strange that we all vote against our interests. that the conservative members of the tea party vote against their pocketbooks and i vote against my pocketbook. why is that? why do i vote against politicians who are going to tax me more and why do i vote for politicians that are going to tax me less. >> do you think that obama can

win the next election? >> no idea. no idea. i think ultimately if the republicans -- if the republicans put up a michele bachmann, then, yes, you can win. if they put up mitt romney, who knows. that's a guy who by today standards is down the middle conservative. it's kind of carry but it is. rick perry falls somewhere in between. he's fairly extreme in his views but he's a little more articulate about it. >> people tweet me and say, what's extreme to you millions and millions of americans. >> what's the left-wing equivalent of the tea party, would you say? >> i struggle to find one. but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are out of kilter with the release of many

millions of americans. >> but you can disagree with obama's economic policies, you can disagree with his position on health care. you know, these are gray areas and he's never done anything as crazy as question evolution. why question something that is so thorough -- so thoroughly backed up by science. >> let's take a break and have a glass of water. when we come back, let's talk about the birth of "the family guy" and you're going to meet the newest member of "the family guy cast." >> really? >> that's what i'm told. at adt, we get financing from ge capital.

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it tracks every vehicle in their fleet. it cuts fuel use. koch: it enhances customer service. it's pretty amazing when people who loan you money also show you how to save it. not just money, knowledge. it's so much information, it's like i'm right there in every van in the entire fleet. good day overall. yeah, i'm good. come on in. let's go. wow, this is fantastic. ge capital. they're not just bankers. we're builders. they helped build our business. hey, how about that? another state that is going to abolish the death penalty. >> is that right? >> what state is that? >> i don't know. i've got toothpaste on the article. looks like ocka-chussetts. >> that's how it all started, right? the life of larry. >> yes.

>> when you watch that, what do you think? >> not very proper. i have yet to make any profit off of it. i look at it and i -- ironically it doesn't look that much different than what i would do now. >> it's your style. >> the life of larry, which was my degree film from college and most of those gags has been pilaged for "the family guy." >> when you have this kind of vision, what was the always going to be? has it always contained a consistency? have you always had an absolutely clear idea of what you were going to do in animated form? >> no when i was in college

disney was having "beauty and the beast" that just came out and they were doing amazing movies and that's what i wanted to do. and then i got out here and found -- you start hearing these stories, make it seem like -- and so i said, maybe that's not for me. and sense builtwise i had veered to a different point. i had done stand-up in college and enjoyed the adult humor that that allowed me to do and at the same time "the simpb sons" had gotten a lot of attention and there was a whole new genre to produce. i thought, that's what i want to do. >> what do you think you are like, "the simpb sons" but tens

times vil snechlt. >> not really. just things that made me laugh. when i look at the show, i don't -- well, i guess it is -- >> it is ten times -- >> yeah, i guess you are right. >> it's made the most highest paid producer in the world. >> really? >> your contract is believed to be more than $100 million. >> wow. >> are any of these allegations true? >> i guess it's believed to be so that makes it true in america. >> yeah, that's what my lawyers tell me. are you motivated by it? >> i'm a republican president, will just keep getting richer. >> it will help if you were aesthetically displeasing to

women, but you are not, unfortunately. >> i'm not everybody's type, man. >> you must believe in the life of riley. >> nobody believes me. i have the same problems as anyone else. >> you have a problem getting a girl? >> look, if i was, you know, taylor lautner, i would have -- >> how many times have you been turned down? >> absolutely. >> the lines you're using? >> maybe. i'm just as awkward as i was in high school. that might be the problem. >> is that true? >> yes. maybe that's the down side. you're still -- you don't gain the confidence. can i say that on cnn? >> you just did. we expected that from you. >> maybe that's the problem. >> extraordinary. >> just one theory. >> let's take another little

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now, don't touch the thermostat, meg, your father gets upset. >> now, come on. this thing goes up to 90. >> every father has been, tells you when the children messes with the dial. >> is your thermostat okay?

is my kid over here? >> forget it. >> that was a pilot of "family guy" on fox. you made it for an extra ordinary $50,000. >> yeah. >> how did do you that? >> well, i was animation major in college. so i had very good training from the rhode island school of design. so i was able to sit at home and, you know, have a stack of papers and a lot of people and

parents start to read variety and hollywood reporter and it's hilarious because they use terms that you don't really know and my mother would call and say, now s. that a go? i i think the show is a go. the tyro alpha net -- >> you didn't know? >> no. >> this is how you found out? your mother broke it to you? >> yes. >> how did you react? >> my mother was always the first person to know gossip. i was cautiously excited and, of course, i double-checked it with the network. >> your mother -- you were very close to and she died, very sadly -- >> yes. >> -- a yearere was nothing on

or anything on the show that could offend her. >> i was going to ask you that very question. let's cut to the quick here. "family guy," you have ripped into parapalegics and mentally retarded and there is not a mother in the world that would not be offended by something that you have done and you're sitting here telling me that your mother went along with all of this? >> yeah, she was unflappable. there was nothing that realphas her. and, to my knowledge, she in fact told me some jokes and some stories from her past, none of which i can repeat on the air that shocked the hell out of me. i never was able to do the

reverse. never able to shock her. and, you know, for that reason, you know, even over 60 she was really a valuable resource as any colleague or friend of mine would be. >> is there anything off limits for you personally? do you have any lines? >> yeah, there are some things off limits. >> what? >> well, we wouldn't make a -- we wouldn't make a 9/11 joke for at least two weeks after 9/11. and now we feel within reason, comfortable treading on that as many other comics. >> and how far do you tread? >> that is just your gut. that is just sitting in a room with -- in the case of our writers, 15 very smart, very conscientious people who are aware of what is funny is what

is going to be over the line, at least we try to be. if we're wrong about something, we have a table read where we read the script allowed for the network, for the studio, for each other, for the an mate fors and we get a lot of groens if something is over the line at that point. and if we make it past that point, there are standards who in fox's case, they are reasonable people who genuinely care about the comedy as much as they care about not getting the network fined. >> is religion a particularly sensitive issue? >> yes. only in america. >> in britain it wouldn't be an issue at all. >> yeah. you see monty pythons start flying as a kid and -- >> sacrilegious. >> yeah. >> start to finish. >> yeah. that's something that america really ought to get over. because religion is an institution that, for better or worse, is here to stay for a while and --

>> most people from most religions have a huge core humor about their religion. there are books and books and books written by jews, catholics, muslims, and so on. >> i can think of two extremely, extremely christian people who are very, very close friends of mine who have a great sense of humor about christianity. absolutely. and sometimes the networks bow down to the most angry and -- >> rick perry -- >> yeah. these are the two folks that i'm thinking of are two people that are very comfortable in their -- they are at ease and have no reason to be offended. >> we're going to come back and talk about charlie sheen and also your bizarre connection

to 9/11. you, actually, because of a hangover, avoided crashing into one of the towers. it's quite extraordinary.

it's quite extraordinary. snoop ground. ground zero. so this is where the first guy got aids? >> no. >> the one lady that visited iraq that one time? >> no. it was a bunch of saudi arabia generals, egyptians and sheltered by pakistanis. >> so you're saying that we need to invade iran? >> that was the old "family guy" poking fun at 9/11. now, as you say, you aged towards that but in your case

very personally because this extraordinary story. tell me about it again because there you were. you were booked on the flight, i think, from boston that hit the south tower. >> uh-huh. >> and you didn't get on it. why? >> a combination of two things. i was giving a lecture at my college and went out with faculty afterwards and had a few pints. >> so you were drunk? >> yes. and coupled with the fact that my travel agent listed the flight on my itinerary leaving ten minutes later than it did. and i was generally late for flights. you know, i had missed a lot of flights prior to that. so it wasn't like it was anything crazily out of the ordinary and i got up to the counter and she said, you're too late. they closed the gate. i said, okay, i'll take the 11:00. i went into the lounge, woke up 45 minutes late tore a commotion

and the first plane had hit and sat there and watched the second flight hit and i turned to the guy next to me and said, my god, that was the flight i was supposed to be on. i was late and missed it. >> what an incredible thing to learn what had happened to the plane that you should have been on. >> yes. the wonderful unity that we've completely abandoned, i never felt more than when i was standing at the bar at 9:00 in the morning and saying to the bartender, hey, can you pour me a shot? and he's like, yeah, here you go. it's on the house. and that feeling that must have been our grandparents felt during world war ii, where this was -- in that moment, everything was -- we are all the same. but i was -- i was -- you know,

i'm not a fatalist. i was not shaken to the core in the way that i changed my whole outlook on life, mainly because i had missed planes before and, you know, coincidences do happen. a day before that incident i could have been crossing the street five minutes before and got hit. >> you know, the reasons why 9/11 happened and why iraq had nothing to do with it and so forth, you are making important points through this cartoon medium. >> yeah, we try now and then. it always has to be funny. if we're ever getting preachy or soap boxy, then we are not -- and we have gotten there and that's us not working as hard as we should. but, you know, with animation, as "the simpsons" proves and continues to prove is that this

is a great forum for that kind of humor. it's the same kind of thing that you see in the new yorker and political cartoons. this is the televised translation of that. >> let's have another quick break and get stuck into charlie, one of my heros. >> wow, fascinating phrase. an airline has planes and people. and the planes can seem the same. so, it comes down to the people. because: bad weather, the price of oil those are every airline's reality. and solutions will not come from 500 tons of metal and a paintjob. they'll come from people. delta people. who made us the biggest airline in the world. and then decided that wasn't enough.

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we all know that there is a good chance that charlie will be dead soon so i wrote an obituary. charlie sheen, who became a tabloid fixture due to his problems with drugs and alcohol was found dead in his apartment. actually, you know what? i kind of copied amy winehouse's obituary. it's -- i only had to change three things, though. the sex of the deceased. the location of the body, and the talent that will be missed. >> that was "comedy central." by god, that was dark. even you were grim massing.

does anybody shudder at your humor? >> at the roast, yes. at every roast a part of me says, don't do it. don't do it. but they are so oddly loose and freeing that it's like a comedy vacation in a way. >> which has been your favorite, because you've done a few now? >> this last one was pretty -- i mean, it was dark but it was definitely fun. i was more relaxed than anything. >> what do you make of charlie? >> you know, it's funny. i don't really know charlie that well. my personal reactions with him, if you took out any awareness of anything that i read in the press, my personal interaction has been small. >> what if amy winehouse's family was watching that and actually phoned you to say, why are you making jokes about amy?

>> what i would say is that the joke is about amy. >> would you be uncomfortable? >> oh, absolutely. if i got that call, of course. >> have you had those calls? >> not -- no. i never personally have gotten a call from a person saying, listen, i'm bonnie frank lynn and i got really upset at that joke that you made. how do you know about that? >>. >> you're one of the most deep digging journalists. i've never told that story because -- >> well, now we have the perfect platform. >> okay z because there's a guy that loves dishing it out. >> yeah. >> you dish it out to him. perfectly valid criticism. you poke fun of him and he rings you for an hour.

>> how did you find out about this? that's amazing. you're like woodward and bernstein. my publicist has -- >> it must have passed the bank. >> yeah. it was a -- yeah. it was an angry call and suffice he it to say, he's a phenomenaly good debater. >> did you mumble pro fet clee? >> no. did you stand up like a man? >> i tried. i was really more in shock than anything else. it was really an odd hollywood moment. i was a huge fan of this show and here i am getting a phone call, just really, really angry phone call z do you think that he was right on the point of fact? presumably he was denying that he had done anything inappropriate. >> i think -- my take on it in retrospect is this. i do maintain that the standpoint that -- look, people

have disagreements about unions. i think in that situation i think it's incumbent to stand up for the people that have not made it for. if it's low risk. you're like the most successful guy on that network and arguably the most popular, successful television personality in the genre. and, you know, if the argument is about who made you the -- >> that's exactly what the

position he plays is. there is for mocking be him, isn't it? >> if i say yes, he's going to crucify me on his show every day for a year. >> i'm not scared. let's take him down together. jon stewart is watching this. you're in the wrong, stewie, and he never should have -- you gutless coward. you can't take it, don't dish it out. come with me, seth. >> i have a very measured response to this. i do think he was wrong not to shut his show down. i disagree with his actions. >> and wrong to not see the funny side? >> look, if it's a free country, you can call whoever you want and scream at them. the gag that we did on "family guy" was coming from the right place but probably so over the line in the ruthlessness that it probably could have been more

measured in its execution. how about that? >> stand firmly by your jokes imagine what he would have done. >> probably broadcast it. >> yes, he probably would. but, again -- >> i think he's a total -- >> he's an important voice for the rational side of politics and for this fear of rational thought that exists less and less in this country, he's an important voice. which is why i was frustrated by -- you know, you're the good guy. you're the good guy that should have been standing there with us. that was my beef. we're going to come back and talk about your album. you've turned into a mix of dean

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♪ this is the septh macfarlane concert. i don't think you've seen a copy of this cd. >> this is actually the first time that i have seen this cd. isn't that something? turned out pretty good. nice. >> here's the thing. here's the fascinating thing about you. the evil genius and there's another side to you, sort of sensitive, crude, love singing, romance, totally a different seth macfarlane.

>> i love the uk. i went to tour with the john wilson orchestra, which is one of the greatest orchestras in the world and they play at all of these wonderful mgm charts and, yeah, i love the sound of a large orchestra. i love all of the different colors that you can paint with a band that size. >> do you mind the in -- inevitably, given what you do in your other job, people are going to want to poke fun at you? >> of course. listen, i'll do it to myself. i'll be the first guy in line. it is a -- but it would be different if i was doing a rap album. then i would really be asking for it. the thing about this kind of music, it never really took itself that serious. even in the 50s. when sinatra and those guys were singing the romantic ballads

there was >> our goal was to really do something that was true to the way in which those albums were produced 50 years ago. joel mcneely who arranged 15 charts so visually and so exquisitely. we recorded it to reel-to-reel tape. our engineer did a lot of research to find out what is it that makes those albums sound as warm as they do. and one of the things is it's recorded to tape, not digitally. >> you've just finished directing your first movie. tell me about it. >> ted is about a guy who gets a

teddy bear for christmas when he's 8 years old, makes a wish that the bear would come to life. magically it happens. it opens in a very disneyesque fairly tale kind of way. the movie itself takes place 30 years later. he's now got a give who he lives with and the bear is still with him. but it's tattered and got rips and stains on it. and it gets high with him, it drinks beer with him and it's just a burden on his relationship. >> i can't imagine knowing you now that you would be content with being behind the scenes when you want to be a movie star. isn't that the next obvious step? >> i enjoy many different pursuits. >> it has to be in the back of your mind, some weepy romantic comedy. >> how about the new morey amsterdam.

>> i'm told you had a very exciting to your "family guy" cast list, is that right? >> yeah, it turns out. >> a handsome, intelligent -- >> fellow of anglican descent. >> shall we have a look? there i am! and that is probably the one moment in my miserable little life -- >> you look like a young bruce boxlatner. >> my three sons were excited enough about the fact that i met you, the fact that i'm now there as a "family guy" character, you will have just -- you just made me cool. for that reason alone, seth macfarlane, thank you for coming here. >> my pleasure.

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my next guest has been called everything from a complete unknown to simon cowwall's latest creation. steve jones, america is staying, who the hell is stevens jones? what should people know about this guy from wales. >> i'm 6'4", 200 pounds, i like romantic walks in the park. i'm just a regular guy. a guy who enjoy what is he does and enjoys life. i've never been more happy. >> you've got this gig, it seemed out of nowhere. how did this happen? how does steve jones get to be the host of the hottest new show on tv in america? >> well, simon approached me about four years ago to work on a project which i couldn't do because i was under contract with a different channel.

and he said, i'll come back to you. and two years ago he said, how would you like to host "american x-factor." and i said, yes. i met all the people at the production company. it was a long, long road. it was a bit hairy towards the end because i didn't actually secure the job until two days before we started filming. >> when i asked simon why he'd finally gone for you. and he said, because he's taller and better-looking than ryan seacrest. >> that's a matter of opinion. >> you are a lot taller and a lot better looking. >> ryan seacrest, i met him recently. he made the effort to come across and say, good luck. he's a lovely, hovly man. people want me to say horrible things about him and how i'm going to be bigger than him -- >> but you are bigger than him. >> in a literal sense, yeah.

i'm 6'4" and he's a little bit shorter than me. but he's a lovely man. i'm not going to say anything bad about ryan seacrest. in the hosting world, he's a god. >> you're going to be rivals. simon has been in this longstanding battle with the other simon, simon fuller, who runs "idol." and ryan is mr. fuller's guy. you're mr. cowell's guy. needs nipping in the bud? >> i'll do the best i can do on the show. if our show becomes bigger than ryan's, so be it. but i have nothing but admiration for ryan seacrest. he's a goliath in the industry. >> let's talk women. you've never made any secret the fact you think you have a bit of a way with the ladies. >> i think i do. >> you're confident around women. >> i like women. i love the company of women. i'm single. i'm 34. that possibly means i'm not particularly successful with

women. but i -- why is that? what was that picture that just came up? >> let's rewind. >> what was that? >> what was that picture? >> what a little nerd. >> seriously? is that you. >> that was me listening to probably -- >> what's that? >> that is me as a child in my bathers. >> no wonder you haven't got a girlfriend. do you still wear those? >> that reminds me of a story my mother used to tell ex-girlfriends when i used to take them to meet my mother. she would say, when steve was a kid, he was so, so pretty the nurses didn't know if he was a boy or a girl. but i'd say, mom, that kind of sounds like i didn't have a penis. don't tell people that story anymore. it's very embarrassing. >> talking about that particular part of your anatomy, do you still have a plastic piece on the mantle at home -- >> it's not on the mantle.

it was for a show and i kept one for myself. >> how are you finding hollywood -- the beautiful californian girls, as you say, you are single. you're 34, at the top of your powers, you've landed this huge gig. they must be crawling around sunset boulevard, aren't they? >> well -- i'll be. it's wonderful. i love it. i miss home. i miss my family and friends. but hollywood is a fun place to live. >> is it all you hoped it would be? >> yes, and more. i've been coming back and forth for about eight years. i knew what i was getting myself into. but it's fabulous. i love the weather. i know it's a trite comment. but as a brit, you know it makes a lot of difference. to pull back the curtains every morning and just, oh, another sunny day, it's wonderful. >> can i just run through a who's who of the women you've apparently dated. pamela anderson. >> i'm going to attack you in a

moment. >> pamela anderson. >> what about pamela anderson? >> sit true? >> she's a good friend. >> hayden? >> hayden. >> halle berry? >> i gave her my phone number. it was wishful thinking. i gave her my phone number and she never rang me. that's as far as it went. >> that's the first good thing i've heard so far in this interview. i think a lot of people will not be asking who is steve jones, but, whoa, steve jones. i won't be one of them. i wish you all the best. >> i've always wanted to do this. and i've seen it done on this show before. can i storm off? >> yes. >> you have to offend me first. >> steve, is it true that your plasticast is three inches tall? >> you know what? if you think i haven't got better things to do than you abuse me on this show, to hell with this.