tomorrow morning. michael boomberg wants them to go by 7:00 a.m. he says the park needs to be cleaned. they say it is an excuse to push them out. protesters may get help from the members of the united auto workers union. it could be a lively morning and we will have sean penn on the show tomorrow night who i'm sure will have his own view on what is going on wall street. that's all for us tonight. now ac 360. >> thanks, piers. the guilty verdict for the man tried in connection with a deadly home invasion in connecticut. the jury convicted joshua komisarjevsky on 17 counts against him, including murder, kidnapping and arson. he could face the death penalty. the jury heard is tem testimony detailing the deaths of jennifer petit and her daughters, 11 and 18 years old. the father has been in court nearly every day of the trial sitting stoically saying little to reporters. not long ago he spoke about the man convicted of brutalizing his

family. >> not surprised at all. i thought from the beginning that he was a lying soesh soes pathic personality and at this moment probably doesn't think he is guilty of anything. he's convinced himself of that i suspect. >> you will hear more from dr. petit and debra fair rit in the courtroom. herman cain has gone from under dog to possible top the dog. the latest nbc "wall street journal" poll shows cain with support from 27% of republican voters. mitt romney is four points behind him. ranked third is rick perry with 16% saying they would vote for him. in the last hour, cain sat down with erin burnett for an interview that covered several topics. we begin on the alleged plot to

kill the saudi ambassador to the united states. watch. >> i believe this attempted assassination that iran has its fingerprints all over, based upon the reports we've seen was because this president is perceived as weak. >> mr. cain, we'd love to see those reports. no have we seen in any information about the ledged plot the suspected plot came about because president obama is weak. nowhere aside from you has it been suggested the plot came a about. now he has been touting his 9-9-9 plan. here's the breakdown down. he wants 9% business flat tax. a 9% individual flat tax and 9% national sales tax. cain is calling for an end to the payroll tax and state tax among other changes. today the ceo of godfather's pizza says his plan will help the u.s. economy. >> when this economy is growing with my 9-9-9 plan, we will be

growing at a robust rate rather than the anemic rate we are growing at today. >> remember that. keeping them honest there are some serous questions about that. the plan would bring in $1.768 trillion. but currently the tax system brings in at least 2.16 trillion. mr. cain's plan brings 18 to 20% less tax revenue. there's no talk about the economy growing right now including from one of cain's political consult tachb consult. he said the problem with the big bang changes like the the flat or fair tax is they are so alien to the current system it would be a big shock. bruce bartlett the former adviser to former bush, at the minimum the cain plan is a

distributional montrossty. the poor would pay more and no reason the economic would increase. some of the critics of cain's 9-9-9 plan. another voice. i spoke with the senior adviser to the romney campaign. i keep seeing the new numbers. herm cain has a four point edge on your boss nationally. regardless, what happened? why is herman cain on top of the pack suddenly? >> herman cain is a serious competitor. i know mitt romney respects anded a hires him. they share the fact they both have private sector experience and mitt believes that is an important quality in our next president. i think herman is someone whoa who's going to get more attention now he is moving up in the polls. one thing people will look at closely is his 9-9-9 plan. this is his proposed change in tax policy. i think there are a couple of

significant draw backs to that. >> romney has been out there five years. the ran for the nomination last time. republican voters know who he is and what he stands for but still having trouble with the bush. let's listen to rush limbaugh. he says romney is not a conservative. he's not folks, you can argue with me all day on that, but he isn't. he's a gentleman but not a conservative. why are we hearing statements like that with him courting the right? >> i had the privilege of serving with mitt romney during his time in massachusetts. this was an individual that taught for english emersion in schools. he fought to lower taxes, fought to cut spending and reform government, pro death penalty. this is an individual who's most definitely a conservative. >> he was also pro choice on abortion rights at one point in his campaign against senator kennedy and some conservatives question his change of heart.

he calls it a legitimate change of heart but some con seventives question that. >> our campaign is growing in momentum every day. this week we announced the endorsement of chris christie and welcomed him to the fold. i don't think there's a more significant voice for cutting spending and reforming government in the country than governor christie and every day we are adding new people. we feel good about the direction of the campaign and how things are going and we are pleased with the state of the race. >> no secret, the obama campaign has been going negative on your candidate. david axelrod had a conference call yesterday and pretty clear they view romney as the likely nominee at this point. now today you and david axelrod taking the battle to the twitter verse. he writes a year ago romney hit obama in no apology for being tough on china. now he says you should rename obama's book the audacity of

indifference or how i golf midway through a recession. some of it is tongue and cheek but is it a sign of things to come. >> i think you can expect from the white house more hocus-pocus that is meant to draw attention from the bad state of the economy. and mr. axelrod reminds me of a mission ma jigs that uses redirection to disstrakt the attention of the audience from the performance of the trick and the trick is trying to get barack obama re-elected despite his failures on the economy. i wish him luck but i believe the election will be a referendum on the performance of barack obama when it comes to creating jobs and getting the economy moving. >> appreciate your time. >> thank you, john. let's dig in to the raw politics. joining me is gloria with, former new york congresswoman sudsen moll theirry and ken blackwell senior fellow at the black research counsel and the

former ohio secretary of state. obama is the front runner, but is this obama romney narrative ahead of itself? >> the white house has nothing to lose by doing it when you talk to people in the white house they will tell you mitt romney is the person they think would be the toughest opponent, the toughest to beat. let me be cynical, if i might, which is that in taking on mitt romney they remind republicans of why they don't like mitt romney. and that sort of sews more discord within the republican party, which is exactly what the obama campaign would like to do. i think it serves a couple of purposes and why not do it early. >> i'm shocked. i can't speak now you said there could be something cynical about this. i don't know what to do. susan, you are a romney supporter. if you look at the poll he is at

or close to the top. but if you look at herman cain's jump to the top and in the nbc poll, he has twice as much support among the tea party voters. are you worried your candidate is having trouble with the base, especially the tea party? >> i think herman cain is a credible candidate and he's done a fine job in the debates as far as coming from nowhere and capturing imagination and we will have a race for who will be second or first. i'm not worried at this point. i was, as you know last time around a big mayor giuliani and chris christie supporter. i think what governor romney has shown us is such consistency and leadership. really sticking to a thoughtful pattern of how he would govern as president of the united states, but i think he is going to close the deal with conservatives as more and more sort of the momentum continues to move to mitt romney when it comes to money and organization. and when it comes to

consistency. you spent a few minutes challenging herman cain. he's not been challenged on before. when you were the personable, colorful candidate that comes up with new ideas you have a tendency to not get hit by the media. when you come near the top it is a tougher ride. >> herman cain will get that tougher ride. >> it is starting already. sure. >> ken blackwell, susan noted she was for rudy giuliani last time and he was ahead in the national polls we should remember that as we talk about the national polls right now. is it accurate to call mitt romney the front runner? he has the organization and fund-raiser but herman cain is on the rise and connecting with people. >> i think you outlined it properly. herman cain is on the rise. mitt romney has been out this longer. he has the money and the organization. and i think the compress primary

schedule is placed in his favor giving his superior organization and his money, but he does have a challenge. if, in fact, his 28%, 27% when he's around that number over the average is the ceiling, that's problematic for him and that suggests he's going to have some real difficult challenges and very conservative states. so, you know, all of them have their challenges. herman has caught on because he's imaginative. he's out there. he's new. but, you know, his plan is going to come under scrutiny and i will tell you what will get conservatives about the 9-9-9 plan. it is right on growth and simply case and wrong when you talk about the federal government getting the opportunity to tax states. that changes the whole relationship between the central

government and the states. >> agree. >> gloria,ly come to you first, anita perry, the first lady of texas made an emotional speech in south carolina today. listen to this. >> it's been a rough month. i don't have to tell you. we have been brutalized, eaten up a and chewed up in the press to where i need this today. we have been brutalized by our opponents in our own party. so much of that is i think they look at him because of his faith. he's the only true conservative. well there are other conservatives and they are there for good reasons and they may feel like god called them too. but i truly feel like we are here for that purpose. >> we are here for that purpose. brutalized by other republicans because of his faith. how's that going to sell? >> i don't think it will sell well at all.

the last thing you want to do is make a presidential candidate look like somebody who's complaining or a victim. this is a brutal race. he's been brutalized by his opponents because that's what happens to front runner and rick perry was up there for a little bit as a front runner and he could come back as the front runner, but i don't think this kind of language will help her husband at all, particularly when you challenge the motives of other candidates in the field and saying it was his calling opposed to anyone else's. >> what do you think that mrs. perry was trying to say there, susan? >> it is very difficult. i understand as a daughter of an lech elected official and wife of an elected official it is hard on a family to sit there and watch what a candidate has to go through. governor perry has gone through and has been brutalized because he has done such a disappointing

job in these debates and his failure to come to the expectations that a lot of people had as a political person. and to sit there and say he's been demonized because of his faith when we have have had a president of the united states like george bush who really was so out front of his faith that jesus was the person he looked to most. was so comfortable in his faith and it wasn't a detriment to his election that i think it does not -- i agree with gloria, i don't think it helps the campaign or politics. it doesn't help the discussion. >> ken blackwell, what about the subset of evangelicals? how will it play out? >> i think in the final analysis, look, when you talk about the important issues of marriage and life, we sort of look at catholics, mormons, evangelicals as cobelligerents, which means they have a public agenda around which they can rally, even if their theologies

don't perfectly match one another. anybody that tries to divide along religious lines within the conservative movement is going to be in trouble. anyone who tries to play the victim, whether they are mormon or baptist or catholic will find that that just won't go that far. >> appreciate it. thank you a programming note, you can see all of the republican candidates on tuesday night when anderson hosts the debate in las vegas. 8 p.m. here here on cnn. up next, another keeping them honest report. president obama touting his jobs plan, slamming republicans for not having their own blueprint for restarting the economy and the second man convicted of murder of a mother and two young daughters in a horrific invasion. we will hear from the sole survivor, the husband and father who lost everything when "360 returns. i'm not a number.

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conference in response to a questiquestion from jessica ye >> the questiquestion from jessica ye >> th last time i was here at a prepress conference press con guys to show us the republican jobs plan that independent economists would indicate would put people to work. i haven't seen it. eventually i'm hoping they actually put forward some proposals that indicate that they feel that sense of urgency about people and need to put people to work right now. >> got that? he is hoping republicans put forth a proposal that shows they feel a sense of urgency about creating jobs. keeping him honest, republicans haven't unveil aed their plans. days after president obama unveiled his jobs plan in the speech before congress, house speaker boehner shared his thoughts on how to improve the economy. >> the president's proposals are a poor substitute for the pro growth policies that are needed to remove barriers to job

creation in america. the policies that are needed to put america back to work. if we want job growth, we need to recognize who really creates jobs in america, and it's the private sector. >> the speaker isn't the only republican sharing ideas. today, shortly after the president spoke at the white house, senate republicans touted their own jobs plan. here's senator john mccain. >> this bill will serve as a blueprint to bring our country back economically, create jobs and give americans hope again for the future. now, obviously, president obama has his plan. there is a dramatic difference between ours and his because president obama and my friends on the other side of the aisle in the senate believe that they can create jobs through government spending. we believe that we can create jobs through growth.

they believe that government creates and spending creating jobs. we believe business and growth creates jobs in america. >> now that plan's different than the president's plan, as senator mccain noted but it is a plan. one thing the president has been saying caught our eye. listen to this message from the president earlier this month. >> if it turns out that there are republicans who are opposed to this bill, they need to explain to me, but more importantly to their constituents and the american people why they are opposed and what would they do. >> mr. obama wants republicans to explain why they are opposed to his plan. keeping them honest, republicans have done that, too. last month republican leaders released a memo on the president's jobs proposal. they have concerns of money requested to improve roadways and other projects. they stay quote while spending to improve infrastructure can play an important part in short term and long term economic growth, adding more money to the same broken system is likely to

produce waste and inefficiency than meaningful results. they took issue with another proposal, quote, we do not agree with the policies proposed by the president that are a repeat or continuation of spending from his 2009 stimulus bill. a bit earlier i spoke to jessica young who had that exchange today with the president and senior political analyst david gergen. jessica, democrats now talking about breaking up his jobs bill in to smaller parts. that's something the white house originally did not want to do but inevitable the administration had to change its tune? >> given the status of congress right now, inevitable, yes. and it works plit plil politically. the white house now will get behind this effort from congress to have the republicans vote, will have all congress vote on each component part. you will see everybody forced to vote on the measure to re-employ unemployed teachers. whether people want to put construction workers back to work, rebuild schools and the

idea here politically is for the white house to be able to say the president, to go on the road and effectively say house republicans, or congressional republicans have voted against each one of these measures that is so popular with american people and polls show they are popular and try to try tie them like an albatross around the neck of house republicans and make them unpopular and in the future tie them to whoever the 2012 republican candidate is. it is a political gamble but it's the president's move this winter. john? >> it is a political conversation. david, while 25 million americans are unemployed or under employed the speaker did speak to speaker boehner. the speaker said it is time for the president to stop the campaign and start listening. is that a valid point? or anything the president or the republicans for that matter between now and november going to be labelled as campaigning. >> it's time for both sides to stop campaigning for a while. it is clearly not just the jobs

bill but the break up of the jobs bill and the ineffectiveness. what the politicians in washington now are doing is strictly on the margins. they will not help the economy very much in the next few months. that's very plain. what they are trying to do is help themselves. you know, john, we have gotten to the point where one of the fastest growing job programs in the country right now is the obama election campaign. he's raised $70 million this summer. opening three field offices a week. that's creating jobs. i'm not sure there are many in the real economy. >> jessica, the president is going to make the case against the republicans but there are some democrat, maybe not a lot but some opposed to the jobs bill. how does it complicate the president's task when someone says something like this, i can not support final passage of the bill in the current form. i emphasisny i size my long held believe that taxes should not be raised on wages or ordinary income.

jim webb saying even if it is a millionaire don't raise taxes on income because it will hurt the economy. >> right. senator tester of montana and senator nelson of nebraska were two who voted no to move forward with the bill on a procedural measure. there are some democrats who are not in support of this at all. and it complicates it for the president. he does not have the support of his entire party, but because it is a political fight now he can message it against the republicans. the bottom line is -- the bigger question is, will he be able to peel off enough republicans to get some component parts passed? advisers believe in the end they will ultimately be able to pass, at the at least the unemployment insurance extension and extension of the payroll tax cut and maybe that's it, john. >> i suspect some of that optimism jessica just spoke about is based on the fact that republicans weren't always opposed to everything in this plan. watch. >> some of the president's

proposals i think offer an opportunity for common ground. >> i still like the idea of corporate tax reform. i think that would be healthy for growth. >> we can do some things together. we can work together on those things. >> is there some pressure on the republicans to support part of it, much of it? some of it or are they just going to say never mind, we're in campaign mode? >> no, john. i think there's a political game going on both sides the president wants to accuse the republicans of obstructing progress on jobs. they would bear responsibility for 9% plus unemployment but the republicans are wisely saying let's try to work together on this. take away the sense of obstructing or opposing everything the president wants to do. just yesterday, there was a republicans that really helped the president get his three trade bills through. that was a positive step forward and there will be a couple more things. the republicans are trying to

take some of the sting out so they don't have the albatross of 9% unemployment hand their necks. that's where obama wants to put it. >> we will see where the debate heads next. thank you. >> thank you. >> the poll politics continue on cnn tomorrow morning. governor perry will be a guest on ""american morning."" he is nird the poll and he will talk about that and his new jobs program tomorrow morning here on cnn. up next, more on the breaking news, a verdict in the connecticut triple murder trial. the mother and two daughters held hostage in their own home, tortured and killed. one sentenced to death and tonight his partner learns his faith. and in crime and punishment, the michael jackson trial could end this week as the prosecution moves to wrap up the case. [ tires screech ] [ crying ] [ applause ] [ laughs ] [ tires screech ] [ male announcer ] your life will have to flash by even faster.

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guilty is what a connecticut jury said 17 times for the second man accused in a horrific triple murder. joshua komisarjevsky charged with murder, kidnapping, burglary, arson and assault. he and steven hayes broke in to the home hoff the petit family and beat david petit and raped and killed his wife and daughters. hayes han been sentenced to death. joshua komisarjevsky could face the same punishment. his penalty phase part of the trial set for october 24th this

is dr. petit's reaction after the verdict in his own words. >> going back to the trial and hearing the testimony and seeing the evidence sort of brings everything back in sharp focus. things you don't want to necessarily have in sharp focus and pinging around your brain 24 hours a day. so it's been very difficult, but it's not clear to me that time heals all wounds but you form some form of scars that, like i said, in some interview, the jagged hole in your heart. until she was 11 years old she would look my brother in the law in the face whenever men came around, she was incredibly shy around men. once she got to know you she would talk to you but to hear a statement that they locked eyes and there was some sort of bond was nauseating and beyond the pale because that's not

something that she would have ever done with a man who had broken in to her bedroom and sexually assaulted her. there was nothing that i could do to make that any better by looking like an enraged or crazed father and i thought that really jennifer heyly and michaela would want me to conduct myself with respect and dignity and in in spite of the circumstances. so i thought it would really dishonest their memories to act crazy, be violent, just i can see jen standing there and she would chastise me without a doubt if i had that kind of attitude. so i think it was really what for their memory. >> beautiful family. deb feyerick was in the courtroom when the verdict came in. take us inside the courtroom.

what was the reaction? >> it was very, very emotional. the jury came in. they did not look at the defendant. a lot of times people say it is because it is not going to go in his favor. when they read the verdict, guilty on all counts the members of the petit family wept in court the relief of this moment because they had been sitting through it for so long. meantime, joshua komisarjevsky, he had no emotion. he sat and stared at the jury as they read the verdict and then he got up and it appeared he actually yawned as he was let out of court and back to prison. a different reaction clearly on both sides. most surprising the lack of reaction, the lack of remorse from joshua komisarjevsky, john. >> dr. petit makes an important point. he said the case is not over yet. the sentencing phase of the trial is yet to come, right? >> that's right. we are going to hear more testimony during that phase. as a matter of fact, the defense lawyers, believe it or not, want

to introduce 100 pages of letters written by the accomplice who's on death row already, and the judge initially wouldn't allow it saying no, that will seal his doom, joshua komisarjevsky's doom. they still want to bring it in. they are trying to save his life. that was their intention from the beginning. trying to make him at least a little sympathetic that it didn't happen during this, from the testimony we heard this time. whether they can prove it during the next phase, they are trying to save his life, that's their goal right now. >> listening to dr. petit it is clear how or horrified, angry and unhappy he was with some of the things that the defense said but he managed to keep his voice very calm. there are no outward anger. remarkable. >> it is. it is. he is really truly a remarkable man in terms of the way he has handled all of in the media

knew. no one asked him questions or probed how he was feeling on any given day. they kept a respectable difference. he said when he was ready he would speak and that's what he did. think about this, john. he had to sit there in court, listening to the voice of his daughter's tormenter, describing what he did to her and what he was doing in the house and still he sat through that. it takes a very brave man and he wanted the jury to make sure they knew the family was there. >> deb feyerick, fascinating coverage. thank you very much. isha is here with the news bulletin. president obama threatened iran with the toughest sanctions possible for their role in an alleged plot to kiln the saudi arabia ambassador on u.s. soil. france, prosecutors dropped a race against against dominique straus-kahn citing lack of

evidence. the french journalist accused him of trying to rape her in 2003. the ceo of the bankrupt solar energy firm solyndra resigned. he received a $535 million loan guarantee from the obama administration before it shut down in august. good news, blackberry users, service is fully restored. the company's founder says the outage was caused by a hardware error. the backup system failed as well. still ahead "crime and punishment" the jury in the michael jackson death trial could get the case next week. tonight a look at conrad murray's defense. and a rare look at bullying as it happens. anderson sits down with the film maker of a ground breaking documentary when "360" continues. i'm not a number.

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looks like the michael jackson death trial may end earlier than expected, perhaps as early as next week. on day 12 the prosecution began to question its final witness, an anesthesiologist. he is the third doctor called to convince jurors the care conrad murray gave jackson was not only bad mid sin but gross negligence and killed the singer. >> conrad murray was grossly

negligent in multiple incidents and that directly caused the death of michael jackson, correct? >> absolutely did. yes. >> the defense will of course be calling its own expert witness to counter what the jurors have said so far. here's ted rowlands. >> reporter: defense attorneys for dr. conrad murray begin their case next week and they will argue that michael jackson caused his own death. they say jackson desperate for sleep swallowed eight pills of lorazepam and then used a syringe to inject the fatal dose of propofol himself, all without murray's knowledge. >> would you think that a doctor who prescribed a patient 30 ambien and the patient took them all and killed themselves that the doctor would be responsible. >> objection relevance. >> key to the theory the propofol bottle that investigators say they found inside of an iv bag in jackson's room. prosecutors say that conrad murray gave him the propofol that killed him through a

continuous iv drip but murray said he never gave him an iv drip that day noting the photo outside of a bagging with no milky substance. the defense points to the fact that no one claimed the propofol bottle was inside the iv bag until two years after jackson's death. >> in fact the first time that you noted that there was a propofol bottle in an iv bag was the 29th of march, 2011. >> in case notes. >> yes. >> yes. >> am i right? >> yes. >> you never do mention, in your notes that a propofol bottle was found in an iv bag, is that fair? >> that would be fair. >> another theory, that jackson was addicted to the powerful

painkiller demerol, given to him without murray's knowledge. >> are you aware that michael jackson was a habitual user of demerol? >> objection, assumes facts not in evidence. >> sustained. >> have you read dr. klein's medical records regarding michael jackson? >> no. >>. >> reporter: the defense says the demerol addiction led to jackson's insomnia and klein and other doctors have been giving him drugs forrer years. they say murray was trying to help the singer get off of the drugs. >> i loved him. michael jackson may have a dependency to substance. i was trying to wean him off. >> the defense is likely to try to shift jurors to the insulated world that michael jackson created around him. they will argue that murray didn't call 911 right away because he thought the chef was doing it for him and he will say

he called the security guards first because they knew they would never let an ambulance on to the grounds unless they were told to do so. the jury could get the case by the end of next week. ted rowlands, cnn, los angeles. now joining me is sunny hostin. more and more damaging testimony from these medical experts. the witness for the prosecution. you say it is almost like a medical malpractice case? >> it sounds like a medical malpractice case and the prosecution left the best for last. they left the medicine for last. we are hearing from all of these expert witnesses. we are hearing from dr. alon steinberg who many are calling him dr. mcdreamy. he was unflappable. he talked about six, not one, not two but six deviations from the standard of care. extreme deviations from the standard of care. then we heard from dr. nader

kamangar who said you don't use propofol in a nonmedical settling for insomnia you just don't do it and we heard from dr. shafer, who's an anesthesiologist who is interestingly enough the person who developed the fda dosing guidelines for propofol. we heard about his expert qualifications and my understanding is he is the last prosecution expert. so interestingly enough, this is a really tight case, by the prosecution. california is sort of known for overtrying their case. we saw that in o.j. simpson case. not so in this case. they left the best for the last. a strong case the prosecution has before them. >> outside of the courtroom we find out jackson's eldest son said that dr. murray did not comfort him and his siblings in an audio recording. since they are not sequestered, couldn't the jury hear about this and could that affect their

outcome, their view. >> they are admonished not to look at television or read media reports about the trial. i hope they are keeping to that admonishment but many people are saying perhaps prince will testify in the state's rebuttal case because he would directly contradict murray's account. initially we know prince and paris wanted to testify. catherine jackson did not want them to testify. it is possible in the prosecution's rebuttal case as early as next week we may hear from one of michael jackson's children. >> you made the point, you think the defense has a steep hill ahead of it what's the one thing you are looking for to see if they have a good case. >> i think this will be a case of the battle of the experts. we know on the defense witness list is dr. paul white. many describe him. he's an anesthesiologist. many describe him as the father of propofol. very, very interesting that he is on the defense case because he's the best, one of the

closest friends of dr. shafer on the state's list. i believe we will hear from him. we may also hear from another cardiologist. it's definitely going to be i think the battle of the experts and we will see which side wins on that. >> that should play out next week. sunny hostin, thank you for being here tonight. a special report on bullying an extraordinary look at real life bullies in action.

♪ and the flowers and the trees ♪ ♪ all laugh when you walk by ♪ and the neighbors' kids run and hide ♪ deep inside you, there's a person who refuses to be kept deep inside you. ♪ but you're not ♪ you're the one be true to yourself. what's healthier than that? all this week, we are taking an in-depth look at an epidemic we have been covering on "360." bullying.

it's not just happening in schools. a lot of it happens on-line. it's rare to be caught on camera. a new documentry called "the bullying project." it is extraordinary. it is shown thu the department of education and the parents featured in it have met with the president and first lady. gives you a glimpse of the cruelty some kids endurp. this is what a 13-year-old faced on a school bus in sioux city, iowa. >> what? [ inaudible ] >> what? >>. [ inaudible ] . >> no, no, no. why are you stabbing me with it. >> i ought to knock your face-off.

>> give it to him, hard. >> in a recent town hall on bullying, anderson sat down with several experts. >> the film is extraordinary. we watched it last night. just incredible. you spent a year in the school. did it surprise you what you saw and were able to capture. >> it didn't surprise me. it was sort of -- i think the gall of making the film was to get out there and show what kids go through. to show what kyle goes through. to give it something really real so that we can stop denying it, stop sort of saying this is just a rite of passage. >> you were so concerned about alex, the little boy on the bus you actually showed the footage to his mom. i want to show another clip from the film. >> do you understand at some point you have gotten used to

this? and i'm not. i'm not used to it. because i didn't know and i'm not about to get used to it. does it make you feel good when they punch you or kick you or stab you? do these things make you feel good? >> no. i don't know. i'm starting to think i don't feel anything anymore. >> you watched this last night with your kid. >> that was the moment that i think scared me the most when he said i don't feel anything anymore. and you see a boy who has been failed on every level. when he said i don't feel anything anymore, kids will go to great lengths to feel something and i feel like something somebody needs to intervene on his behalf in the right way. >> that's what bothers me about this. look, these bullies have parents. where are the parents? look, if your child is a bully,

it is your job to know your child is a bully. it's your job to know that and intervene at that level as a parent. it's your job to talk to the school. it's your job -- >> i have talked to a lot of parents who have tried to intervene with the parents of bullies and the parents don't recognize it as a problem. >> a lot of times it is model in the home. a lot of times there is aggressive behavior in the home, either verbally or physically and that becomes the norm. >> we can't control what happens in the homes but we can control what happens in the school. we can push for more empathy and understanding and that's where we have a chance to make an impact. >> do you agree with lee that the school -- yes, it would be great if people could fix families but the school is the place to address this, at least it's the most obvious place -- not that it is easy but easiest place to address it? >> yeah. i think changing the hearts and minds of people is almost a

fruitless enterprise. i think you have to institute it in the schools, and there has to be real -- there has to be real consequences for the kids that bully. these kids are not shot out of a vacuum. they come from a home that instills certain values and certain behaviors and there's nothing we can do about it. but at our schools and the legislative level we can do something about protecting these kids. >> the special study is part of 360's effort with facebook, cartoon network and time inc. to stop the bullying epidemic. join anderson for an encore presentation of his town hall, bullying it stops here. it is tomorrow, october 14th at 8:00 and 10:00 p.m. here on cnn. it's powerful relief that works at the site of pain and lasts up to 12 hours. salonpas.

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