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where his mouth is. tonight, sean penn on his work on the frontline of disaster and the situation on wall street. and you won't believe who the police dragged off to jail in the protests. not the usual suspects. this is "piers morgan tonight." pretty dramatic day for the occupied wall street protests. marches and the rest across the country and some rough arrests. thousands on the streets from new york no san diego struggle to corral demonstrators. new york, more than a dozen arrest and more arrested in denver and san diego, all this after protesters declared victory on wall street. and bloomberg, pulled back on the threat to move them out of the area they're occupying. we'll talk to two of the arrested protesters later in the show. sean penn, many say his greatest role is that of activist. welcome. >> thank you. >> when you say what's happening on "occupy wall street" protests, do these resonate with

you? is that the fury you've felt about issues over the years? >> it resonates a great deal. and in many ways some of them complicated. i was born in 1960, so the primary television show that my brother and i grew up watching was the vietnam war. i grew up in a family who opposed it, and i grew up to understand that i then came to find my own adopted beliefs that it was an illegalle war, unjust war and a horrible tragedy. on the other hand, i was very concerned about movements because many in the same movements that protested the war were the ones that were calling our troops baby killers when they returned. i won't say a dominant amount, but enough that it colored for me my will to be involved in movements. on the other hand, one does understand that historically and currently, any major change you're going to have to take a leap of faith, not only with an

organized movement but one that comes from a common sense of what is in the ether of the common need. >> but there are plenty of economic issues in america for people to get very angry about. so i can -- i've been waiting for this. i've been amazed it's taken so long for the american public who are losing their jobs and homes and having this massive disconnect with washington to get angry like this. >> i think up to be patient with something like this being organized. if you're going to be patient with the criminality that was so much of wall street so i applaud the spirit of what's happening now on wall street. i hope that increased organization can come to it. i think that the media plays a big part of it, because it is's going to stay and you said you thought it is gaining momentum, but i saw another network say

this afternoon that it is losing momentum, and the big part is what is best for television. but this generation, and it does begin significantly with the arab spring is starting to tell the world that we cannot be controlled by fear anymore, and we will not be denied, because if you don't put us on television, we have our computers at home and we can make noise. >> social networking with twitter and facebook, stuff like that, they're almost circum navigating. the youth, in particular, can get around it. youth, they can express themselves and garner other interests, other enthusiasm. that's why you see it spreading around city to city i think. >> no question about it. and, yet, the component that is where do we go from there with successes in these things, again, i go back to the arab spring.

egypt, for example, we have 85 million people, some sectarianism and so on and a lot of different powers going forward. it's going to take economic plans. it's going to take tourism which is significant there. and then, you have a -- you know, what happens in libya, where the interim government is actually encouraging leadership, not trying to rob the libyans of their revolution. so in this situation, you know, i find that it's been a long time coming and i'd like to see the president go and interact with the protesters in new york in particular, and for this to become not just a protest dialogue, but a home to home dialogue. >> what do you make of what's happening to your country? are you proud to be an american now? >> i'm more proud to be an american than ever. and i've always been proud to be an american. i'll tell you a funny story. there's a perception about me that's gone as far as the word

"traitor." i was worning in a small town in south dakota called carthage. about 180 people. i think republican to the man and woman. this was at a time when certain pundits and others were referring to me with that "t" word. i remember these people were so fantastic, and we had such a -- they were so civil. this is the television spirit, those things that were being reported about people like myself and that had, that were offering different opinions, let's say, was very different than what was happening in the street. so when i left, i remember getting on the airplane and my friend was on the back of the plane and he said, admit it,

sean, democrats are are -- republicans are nicer than democrats. >> are they? >> i think largely, people with simpler thoughts are more polite. >> were you massively hopeful, like so many about barack obama becoming president, and if so, do you feel disappointed now? what have been your thoughts the last two or three years. >> i don't think that that matters as much as -- in the way that it's often talked about. all over the world this is being proven. what is barack obama? a symbol of leadership for our country, as bill clinton, despite the fact that i'm, in both cases these are democrats. they're inspirational minds. they're inspirational of nature. i think that nobody is ashamed of the man that is barack obama. though, there are many people disappointed with his choices. but as long as we can say this

is what represents us, and i can be proud of that, then it has to be our job first. we have to be pushing him and supporting him in movements forward. and i think you know welcome there was not enough noise when it came to, for example, afghanistan. this was a big, big, big mistake. >> i followed your views on iraq and afghanistan and so on and do you think that this concept of america being the world's policeman has just got to stop? do you think that america should become arguably much more selfish about the policy and be much more humanitarian in areas such as haiti and leave the bombing to other people? >> we don't have to tell it to ourselves, it is loud and clear to the courage of the man who lit himself on fire in tunisia to the egyptian arab spring to libya and the courage going on and there is no question in my mind -- >> and democracy and freedom that you saw in the uprising of tahrir square is much more massive than going into iraq and behaving in the way that the

allies had? >> if we had waited on iraq, what we'd be seeing is saddam hussein being brought down by his people right now. without hundreds of thousands of dead iraqis, children u.s. soldiers -- all of the money that has been spent that could have been spent here to better this country, to strengthen this country. >> and when you said that at the time about iraq and the big issue and that is when you were called a traitor and how can you do this? american troops giving their lives and how can you do that and of course, the counter argument is had more people been vocal lin america saying that saddam hussein had nothing to do with it, and more people had been vocal and more sean penn's then it would not have happen? >> well, it is all of our jobs to say it will not happen and one should take inspiration of what these people are doing on wall street.

but where really we have to, if the we are to keep our heads high, the example in the middle east today is so emotional and extraordinary in the courage it has taken. in libya, soldiers today who were not soldiers six months ago, but they were doctors and engineers. >> and you have been in libya and egypt and you have seen it firsthand? >> yes. and they just -- they were being fired on with anti-aircraft artillery and just kept coming and lost so many. >> do you think that we're beginning to see the beginning of the end of the old-fashioned dictator? do you think the power of these uprisings all over the world in all different ways, means that those guys, their days are numbers, generally? >> i think, frankly, rupert murdoch will be the teller of this, because i think that the great despots of this are in the

corporate world and the fact that a clown, i mean, gadhafi, by any sober analysis, could have been three times as wealthy and a god to the world. he had 6 million people to take care of and billions and hundreds of billions of dollars, deep oil reserves, 2,000 kilometers of gorgeous beaches to put hotels on, and he could have had everyone taking care of in his country and been a shining example to the world of how to do it. and he chose to destroy his country, ultimately destroy himself, and kill his sons who are both horrors themselves for what? so this is allowed to happen because of smarter people than gadhafi. >> let's take a little break, and we will come back to talk to you about the next republican runners and writers and about haiti and the hours that you put in unlike others who said they

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no ngo personnel. no international relief at all. and everybody talks about this city. >> my special guest, sean penn. let me ask you, the reputation you have, is that you must just spend all your time furious. [ laughter ] >> i wonder if that's so. >> you could be a more media friendly. you could be less abrasive. less in people's faces. there's another way of doing this. you could be mr. beloved hollywood star helping the world. i get the feeling you don't give a crap about all that. >> you know when i was very young and i was doing my first movie and i had a friend who i had done a play on broadway with come to visit me, and so he was bunking up in my small hotel

room in valley forge, pennsylvania, and we'd be getting up very early every morning and every morning the girl at the desk would look over to us and say, "why don't you ever smile?" and he finally gave me the great line which i stole many times afterwards and he sort of mumbled sideways and said, it is tough knowing this much. but i think that in my case, it is -- it's you nknow, i do recognize what you are asking me, and i think it's, it's tough only being able to recognize a standard that i can apply myself to, and to, and i don't have much tolerance when things can be done simply that are being made complicated. >> you immersed yourself in haiti, quite literally. you were there for months and

months and months when many other well-known people like they do in these kinds of situations, attach their name for a week or two and when the story went away, they go away, too. what drives you to stick it out in somewhere like hey tie. you're a multimillionaire. double oscar winning superstar. if i was in your position i'd be sitting in my beverly hills mansion worrying about it from a distance. what motivated you to go there and live there and carry on working for this sort of thing? >> well, i would think that i have would have to begin to answer that by saying that because we live in a world doing the things that my organization is doing in haiti, jphro, where we have the dependencies and we have great appreciation for a lot of ways in which people can contribute. ki is a say that -- sfwlied that

president of haiti on this show, and he was saying that life has moved on for so many people around the world, but not for the haitians. they are still living in poverty and there's a lot of work to be done and the funding issues, you know, are not helping. because they are deterring people from giving money. the fact to show what this country, the united states can be really in spirit recognizing that an hour and a half away is the nation of the first major slave revolt. i mean, if there should be -- i would think that frankly the black americans of note would be paying more attention of giving haiti the shot it needs right now helping it, because we are on the edge. what they have, and what needs

to be supported now is the president that you talked to, martelly, because he is a decisive person. and because more importantly that beyond those who were able to get to the polls, it is my on the ground perspective and not only in port-au-prince that currently this president has overwhelming support of the people. so, if he is supported correctly, and if he is listened to, and the donors do start to release the funds, as they are starting to do the world bank and the idb, and so on and we are seeing the effects of it, and if people do continue to stay interested in haiti now, then those who might seek to unseat him from within and that has been a long problem in haiti and it is because p pofof a sorf

blind corruption like gadhafi, and a big fish in a little pond and many consider it to the people as collateral damage, but that is starting to reverse itself. now, it is also the time that the haitian people having had this incredible trauma in an incredible life of poverty trauma as a result of the earthquake are now ready to be part of the change. so this is the best moment, it is the most important moment now for people to be understanding what they are contributing to, but contributing and though there are so many problems in the world, and so many right here in the united states the vibrations of what will come from a success in haiti, and out of a rejuvenated and renewed sense of how to accomplish humanitarian aid and ultimately leading to the rebuilding of independence of a country, itself, and of the people, itself, right next door, can also be a great profit for this

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>> my special guest, sean penn. let's talk about the american election coming up next year. of all the republican candidates, clearly, i expect

you won't vote for any of them, but if you had to, who is the one that you would prefer to see as the republican nominee? >> of the republican candidates, i would say barack obama. no, i -- look -- i -- >> who is the least threatening to your ideology? >> that would not necessarily be the way that i would pick it. look, i think that, again, you have to look at at a leader as hand in hand with where the people, the citizens of the country of which that leader leads. you know, i think we are so tied to our institutions, most of which most people don't understand how they work in the first place, that we're afraid to lose them.

we saw when the arab spring happened in egypt, we saw a pause from the president and from the united states, and the concern at every dinner table in this city, also, was oh, we have to be very careful. remember, saudi arabia, and then final somebody said, saudi arabia! and they realized that we are in a world where principle is strategy for the first time. so who should be the president of the united states, you know? i mean, until you have either bull worth or a country willing to elect somebody like dennis kucinich, then i'm wondering if it is not all theater to inspire the people to fix this thing. i will very likely vote for president obama again. i am an optimist, and i know he

did inherit a terrible situation from not only president bush, but from prior to that as well. but, it is not -- it is not -- voting is not a happy occasion and it should be. i think that, that barack obama is as capable of being a great president as anybody that we have got walking. >> i mean, inherited one of the worst economic parcels imaginable, and he's struggled to deal with that. when you have 10% of americans out of work and this is a crisis we haven't seen in our lifetime. many people feel frustrated that he hadn't delivered on the promise. i feel as a dispassionate outsider, that was that was a big promise to try to deliver on. he was seen as the kind of political messiah, so

expectation was far too high, given the state of the economy. >> i would like to see expectation get higher and at the same time to have a very, very clear understanding of what he's up against. there are some decisions we can debate that have been made as i, you know, i think that the afghanistan action is a problem. but we also have to know what forces are working against him and dividing our country and dividing our country in an ability to get together in support of such basic things. they'll call you a socialist if you want them to pay for medical care but they don't call you a socialist when they're dialing 911 to the police department or fire department paid for like socialism. there are basic things -- and there is a blend. capitalism isn't working. socialism doesn't work. at least socialists say -- this is the socialist experiment. >> so what should america be doing as a business model to get back on its feet? what do you think is the right way to go for america? many say america doesn't build things like it used to.

it's become a great consumer but not a great producer? >> well, i don't claim a great understanding of the levels of the economics. but it does certainly occur to me that when you follow a human spirit emboldening agenda like the hoover dam, roads, infrastructure, that these are things that -- it goes back to basics. we need them. there's no question about that. i've been down to the mexican border and seen 80, 90-year-old men with their wives, world war ii veterans, on walkers, waiting in 90-degree sun in a line 100 deep to cross the border in to get into mexico to get

medicines they can't afford in this country. meantime, tell me what we've got in afghanistan? what have we got none iraq? we killed a bad guy. everybody feels great about that. while we kill a bad guy so many people are suffering here. those are very basic things. what do i want to see? i would love to see barack obama be -- i'd love to see what i've always wanted to see. somebody run as a one-term president and show me that people aren't stupid. they do care about each other. and when he does the right things and takes on the controversies he'll win the next election. and yet, there's another problem. you have what i call the get the "n" word out of the white house party, tea party. this kind of a sensibility which is more of a distraction. >> i had morgan freeman on one of your movie colleagues and he was very passionate about that very subject saying there are elements of the tea party who just as he said, want to get the black man out of the white house.

he said it on the show. >> i don't think there's in doubt about it. if you ask a representative of the tea party, social security, socialist, get rid of it? they're going to get very confuse. what -- at the end of the day there's a big bubble coming out of their head saying -- can we just lynch him? if we just focus on the basics, together i think this is a country that if it would kind of wake up and look at each other in the room and the light is off. you turn the light on and people are good. they want things good for their children. whether they're republican or democrat or a lefty actor in hollywood or some -- it just doesn't matter because -- they always say. wait until he gets in the back of a pickup truck with so and so and so and i've been in the back of a pickup truck a lot of times and we had a great time together. they tried to say when i went to egy egypt, wait until they get a load of the fact that he did "milk" because egypt is so

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>> you're ripping my card? >> yeah. >> bud, what's your problem? no problem at all. i think you know where the front office is. >> you [ bleep ]. >> this is the 30th year that you've been in movies. "taps" was 1981. thoughts? i don't know how you crammed it all in. >> a lot of that, it is very strange now, you know? the -- my perspective -- for the first time something happened with haiti, that experience makes much of my prior career kind of a dream in some way.

we just yesterday, one of our staffers in haiti who has been a hero, was killed. and this young man, tommy prado and what we all thought, all of us involved in the organization and those with whom he worked and so on, is like 30 years of movies has been this last two years in haiti and all the flashes, of course, beginning with his face, his smile him helping people. but it is as if after haiti that all of what had once been, and you know, proudly in some ways, and deeply ashamed at other times of a kind of flash reel of one's career, you know, and the creative part of it, and those

thing things, all of that stuff, i think that the part of my brain that used to hold on to it got filled with this other real of the last two years somehow. so, i have a different -- >> do you feel seriously conflicted now? could you see yourself walking away from the movies? >> you know, earlier you said something about me being a multimillionaire, not true, so unlikely. i have some work to do. >> pre-divorce? >> yes, exactly. >> i hear divorces are pretty expenses in hollywood. >> yes, violations of embargo cases, and things like that. >> you have had an expensive life? >> yes, i have had an expensive life. >> do you need to make movies to live? >> i still have a love affair with the movies. i predirecting movies as to acting in movies, but i don't think that, you know, haiti, you look att the artisan work and

the culture, and without a culture, things die. i think that there's an awful lot of legislation that goes on in the movies, and it ist no because of what led me to it or something i will accuse myself of being a successful practitioner of, but i know in sharing with audiences, and it does and should affect the culture. i often, you know, you're often as an actor, a known actor in the united states, you'll hear as you travel, i don't really go to the movies. well, you might as well be saying, i don't read books. that is the new painting. >> do you go to the movies. >> regularly? >> not regularly enough because i'm always traveling around and -- >> what is the best film you have seen recently? >> "senna" and before that

"beautiful." >> what, to you, is great acting? >> let's see, i think probably -- you know,like phillip seymore hoffman is as great of an actor as we've ever had. >> you think that really? >> yeah. >> and by the way some handsome guys like matt damon are, too, and no offense, phil, but as of the phil cam, ip, i'm allowed ts say that. and there's daniel-day lewis. >> if you were casting your dream cast, and you would like directing, and who would you want? phillip would be one -- >> meryl streep and meryl streep and meryl streep and migmani and meryl streep -- no, there's several actresses that i think are wonderful. >> does jack nicholson creep in. >> yes.

>> was he -- does he leave with the -- i actually like the way you lead your life and it's incredibly admirable and i've always thought that. and it may not make me in the majority but that doesn't matter to me, but somebody like jack nicholson if you are going if go the other way and lead the archetypal movie type, it is him on the boat in san trope and girls and beer and pizza. >> yes, and every book that anybody who has ever written under his book. he is one of the most intelligent boxes of firewood that ever walked the earth. >> how would you like to be remembered? if you could write your own tombstone, your own epitaph after the. >> i'd like to erase some of my children's memories of me and boost the good ones.

how i'd like to be remembered? listen, i don't want to be remembered angry but i'm willing to continue being angry about a few things. >> what about i'm still angry? >> it's time for my kids. i don't care if i don't remember it, i don't think. i'm totally willing to believe there's a good but when someone tells me there's a god it's is a punch line the same as telling me that there's not a god. i'm happy with the mystery. it is go g ing to go all black , i don't really care. i just hope that my kids are happy and that my friends have a good laugh at the funeral. >> they won't be laughing at your funeral, sean. >> well, then they have to leave. i will hire someone ahead of time. >> good luck with all of the work that you do. it has been a pleasure meeting you. >> thanks. you think you know what an occupy wall street protester looks like? well we will meet two fresh from jail right after the break. [ male announcer ] this is larry...

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jim and susan were arrested, and we have an exclusive interview with two people arrested wednesday. talk me through your experience. >> maybe my age, piers. >> as we were coming back from a march on the sidewalk past the chase bank, they arrested two young men for no apparent reason. i have no idea why they arrested them. we and everyone else stopped to look and the next thing to happen was the police began pushing all of us and we happened to be the first one in their line of sight, pushed us to the ground, grabbed us, claimed we were somehow resisting arrest, threw us to the ground as your video shows, and with no further ado did

arrest us and leaving us bruised and angry, but insulted and wrongfully arrested, of course. >> and you would know about that because you're a lawyer so you know exactly where the law stands. are you going to take any action against the police? >> we may well. certain other actions will be taken against them here in new york. you have over 800 people that have been arrested in new york and i'll contrast that sharply with what happened in my own town of los angeles where the police department is behaving much better. the chief said -- we're not the new york police department. he said that to me directly. they are not worrying about every little simple infrak shct that happens. they're working with the protestors who are camped out on city hall lawn and it's going much, much better and that's what the new york police should be doing because these folks represent not just the 99% from a financial point of view but if you listen to what they're talking about, the majority of the people in the country have

the same positions. >> bonnie, let me bring you in here. once you were both arrested what happened then? >> it was absolutely surreal. they didn't know what to do with us because we were arrested by brooklyn police who were doing a favor to the new york police. so we were in the seventh precinct and then we were down in central booking and then they ended up taking us to bellevue and i thought to myself, how interesting. there's two bellevue hospitals in new york. not realizing that there's only one so now we're in a psych ward. >> playing devil's advocate, i can see in the video, you are pushing the cops around a little bit. are you completely blameless here? >> well, what happened is that we were being pushed, so now in the guy, when the police officer grabbeded me, i said to him, let go of my arm, and then somebody pushed me, so it does appear that way. but it was, listen, it does not make a lot of sense, for someone

to resist arrest particularly someone of our age. i mean, one thing when the kids do it, because they don't know, but clearly we know better, and we are surrounded by the police, and the cop is twisting my arm saying to me, stop resisting arrest, stop resisting arrest, well, i was not resisting arrest, but you realize which is the scary part, they can make it up on the spot. and suddenly five minutes later a lieutenant comes over and he has not been there and he had the nerve to say, i saw you were doing this and doing that, and i said, you weren't even here. >> bonnie, where do you see this going? this protest, because it is clearly gathering momentum and being taken more seriously and getting more credibility, how far can it go? and how big will it get? >> well, hopefully the equivalent of the arab spring in the sense that it is again a way of discounting people to say they are not organized. it is all about delegitimizing what is going on to make people

look foolish other than say they don't have leadership, but look at what they are talking about, because it is going to swell into a movement to be a third party or at least put enough pressure on the parties that do exist that they will begin to listen to what 99% of the people want. i mean, we are living in a country where 1% of the people control the majority of the wealth. that is wrong. and people viscerally are finally beginning to feel that, and the fact that they don't feel that in some way that democrats or the republicans or that the government feels is legitimate, does not delegit ma tiz their expression. >> all right. jim and bonnie, thank you both very much. quite an ordeal you have been there. >> thank you, piers. >> all in all, a good protest. coming up my extraordinary interview with tv legend kelsey

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