american people watching this. i continue to believe that cain did not have such a good night to i thought rick perry was better. mitt romney stood his ground when he was attacked. time and time again, toad stand his ground, i thought did he that well. >> donna, for some of these candidates this maybe the last debate, the next debate is not until november. some may drop out by then. >> as you know, anderson is, several of the candidates are likely to not have the resources necessary to file their papers to get on the ballot or their delegates. so this is clearly going to be a time, crunch time for at least michele bachmann rick santorum are, newt gingrich, don't have the resources to compete. may have to step aside, john huntsman, decided not to show up tonight, he might also have to take a second look at his one-state strategy, just compete in new hampshire.

>> we are inside the sands convention center in las vegas. seven gop contenders wrapping up their debate moments ago, the tone this time, contention, personal at times, especially between herman cain and other candidates on tax, you might have seen, talking about already. there was also the explosive encounter between a very aggressive rick perry and counter punching rick perry over illegal immigration. our panel has plenty to talk b before bring them back in i want to bring in key moments about the debate, began with an all-out assault on herman cain's 9-99-9 plan. we will talk to him in a moment let's take a look. >> herman, i love you, brother, but you don't need to have a big analysis to figure this thing out. go to new hampshire where they don't have a sales tax and you're fixing to give them one. they're not interested in 9-9-9. >> herman, are you saying the state sales tax will go away? >> you're mixing apples and oranges? you will pay the state sales tax, no matter what

whether you throw out the existing code and you put in our plan, you are still going to pay that. that's apples and oranges. >> and i'm going to be getting a bushel basket that has apples and oranges in it because i've got to pay both taxes and the people in nevada don't want to pay both taxes. >> governor romney, you don't have credibility when it comes to obama care. >> each chance i've had to talk about obama care, i've made it very clear and also in my book. at the time i crafted the plan in the last campaign i was asked is this something you would have the whole nation do, and i said no. this is something that was crafted for massachusetts. it would be wrong to adopt this for a nation. >> that's not what you -- that's in your book -- >> guys. >> you took it out of your book. let's be honest. >> i tell you what? why don't you let me speak. rick, you had your chance. let me speak. >> you're out of time. you're out of time.

>> and those people that hire illegals ought to be penalized. mitt, you lose all of your standing from my perspective because you hired illegals in your home and you knew about it for a year. and the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is on its face the height of hypocrisy. >> i don't think that i've ever hired an illegal in my life. so i'm looking forward to finding your facts on that. rick, again. >> you have the -- >> i'm speaking. i'm speaking. i'm speaking. i'm speaking. >> it is time -- >> you get 30 seconds. this is the way the rules work here is i get 60 seconds and then you get 30 second to respond. >> you say that you knew. >> anderson -- would you please wait? are you going to keep talking or let me finish what i have to say? look, rick -- >> so tough to follow the rules. >> this is a tough couple of debates for rick, and i understand that. so, you're going to get testy. you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking.

and i suggest that if you want to become president of the united states, you have to let both people speak. so first, let me speak. >> and this is one night when i hope what happens in vegas doesn't stay in vegas. >> joined now by herman cain, who has found himself soaring in the polls. congratulations on that how did you feel about tonight? >> i felt good about it. i believe that the questions that i got, i was able to get a very specific answer and i he will felt real good about it in terms of how i responded. it was a little frustrating at first, because i was getting attacked so much on our plan, the 9-9-9 plan and i really didn't feel as if i had ample enough time to counter some of it, but i know we had to move on. >> what do you say to conservatives and a variety of conservative publications, grover norquist, among others, who are saying this 9-9-9 plan, the more you look at it is going to raise tax on middle class

voters and lower income people? >> as i say they haven't read our complete analysis. >> they say they have done the analysis. >> no, they have not done the analysis. look, we had fiscal associates analyze this whole thing and -- from a static standpoint and a dynamic standpoint. we provide all the analysis, all the tables and go through it, they will see our assumptions. what some of the organizations are doing they making their own assumption which is do not agree with our assumptions so this is why i make my appeal to the american people. sit down and do your own 9-9-9 math and see how it affect yours family relative to the taxes you paid paid last year. >> i want to show vires some of the exchanges you had with governor romney on 9-9-9. let's watch. >> herman, are you saying the state sales tax will go away? >> no that is apples. >> governor romney was right? >> no a mixing apples and

oranges. >> will people in nevada have to pay in addition the 9% tax? >> doing the same thing they are doing, mixing apples and oranges. no no, no. going to pay the state sales tax no matter. what whether you throw out the existing you code and you nut our plan, you still going to pay that. that's alps and oranges. >> fine. and i'm going to be getting a bushelle basket that has apples and oranges in it because i have to pay both tax and them nevada don't want to pay both taxes. >> everybody on the stage saying this would result in more taxes, a number of americans, 47% of americans who don't pay taxes right now you don't earn enough, in many cases to pay tax they would pay taxes under your plan. >> no, for two reasons, prices would go down. we take the embedded -- we take the embedded taxes out of the cost of goods and services in that first nine, because businesses are able to deduct those purchases made from u.s. companies and what will happen is competition will drive document prices and as a result, people won't be paying any more.

secondly, because of the new goods/used good rules, if you spend -- buy used goods, you don't pay taxes on it because it has been paid. everything gets taxed once. this had is why most people will actually see a tax decrease if they go through the math. >> earlier in the day, talking to my colleague, wolf blitzer, you did suggest that you would be willing to possibly enter taint idea of exchanging one american soldier for everybody currently held in had guantanamo if al qaeda were demanding that, holding one american soldier for years. >> if i said that i spoke in error. maybe i didn't understand the question. if i did say that i would not do that, because i believe in a philosophy we cannot negotiate with terrorists. >> i want to play for our viewers the soundbite that you said. >> and i still can't hear it. >> imagine if you were president, we are almost out of time, and there were one american soldier who had been held for years and the demand was al qaeda or some other

terrorist group, you got to free everyone at guilt mow bay, several hundred prison excould you see yourself as president authorizing that kind of transfer? >> could i see myself authorizing that kind of transfer but what i would do is i would make sure that i got all of the information, i got all of the input, considered all of the options and then, the president has tonight president and make a judgment call. i can make that call if i had to. >> make that call if i had to. >> i misspoke. because i didn't, you know, movinging so fast, i misspoke. i would not do that i simply would not do that. >> bottom line, you are saying that would be -- >> that would be negotiating with terrorists. >> you think israel maez a mistake in exchanging -- they got home this prisoner, gilad shalid, held five years for hamas, exchanged 1,000 palestinian prisoners for that controversial in israel. do you think they made the right move? >> here is how i was misspeaking about our situation, i said prime minister benjamin netanyahu had a lot of things to

consider in order to make that decision. what i'm saying is i can't say he did the right thing or the wrong thing just looking at the based on the numbers. that is the point i was trying tomakers i probably misspoke when i went from that situation over to this had situation. you got to have all the facts. >> you're -- your -- had this juggernaut. you're now -- no one probably predicted yorkts know if you predicted this early on when you started running that you would be up in the poll there is with mitt romney, do you have the campaign staff you need? >> yes. >> a lot of folks have been saying, you are doing a big book tour. you don't have campaign staff. you only have you know, a few people here and there new hampshire, iowa. are you hiring people now? >> let me correct a few misperceptions. first of all, we sld staff in new hampshire, south carolina, florida, iowa, several of the states. >> how many people do you have in new hampshire? >> a staff of about three people in new hampshire and process of adding more people in new hampshire. the other thing is we are raising money, we got money to stay in this race. people are saying we broke now. about this book tour, we had six

days carved to out where we combined signing books for the book -- release of the book and mixture of campaign events. i didn't do a month-long book tour. we did six days and half the events were signing books and the other half of the events were camp events. the other thing is we are hiring people now. we are hiring people for our corporate office in all of the states, we are ramping up. the good news is, plenty of good people out there and we are adding them very rapidly. >> you are in this to win it? >> in it to win it. >> thank you, sir. a lot of well wishers here that want to talk to you. >> appreciate t enjoy t. >> thank you h big hour ahead with the panel and more. let us know what you think, we are phone on facebook, follow mony twitter at anderson cooper. also the show most electric moments of the night, mitt romney, rick perry trading blows over illegal immigration, governor perry personal i am atlanta times, our coverage of

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from las vegas. fire once, stage tonight as mitt romney and rick perry faced off over immigration. perry accusing romney of employing illegal immigrants, which romney denied multiple times. the exchange got pretty testy. take a look. >> mitt, you lose all of your standing from my perspective because you hired illegals in your home and you knew about it for a year. and the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is on its face the height of hypocrisy. >> governor romney? >> rick, i don't think that i've ever hired an illegal in my life. and so, i'm looking forward to finding your facts on that. rick, again. >> you have the -- >> rick, i'm speaking. i'm speaking. i'm speaking. i'm speaking. i'm speaking. >> it is time -- >> you get 30 seconds. this is the way the rules work here is i get 60 seconds and then you get 30 seconds to respond. >> you say that you knew --

>> anderson? would you please wait? are you going to keep talking or let me finish what i have to say? look, rick -- so tough to follow the rules. this has been a tough couple of debates for rick, and i understand that. so you're going to get testy. but let's let -- i'll tell you what. let me take my time, and then you can take your time. >> have at it. >> all right. my time is this, which is i have in my state, when i was governor, i took the action of empowering our state police to enforce immigration laws. when you were governor, you said, i don't want to build a fence. you put in place a magnet to draw illegals to the state, which is giving $100,000 of tuition credit to illegals that come into this country and then you have states -- the big states of illegal immigrants are california and florida. over the last ten years, they've had no increase in illegal immigration. texas has had 60% increase in illegal immigrants in texas. if there's someone who has a

record as governor with regards to illegal immigration that doesn't stand up to muster, it's you, not me. >> one of several very contentious moments, a fascinating night tonight. our panel is here to weigh in erin burnett, ago other of "erren burnett out front," ari fleisher, david gergen, gloria borger, john king, host of "john king, usa," contributor dana lash, co-organizer of the st. louis tea party coalition join us via satellite. john what did you make of it? had you talked to governor romney, governor perry right afterwards, was it as personal as it seemed on the stage? >> yes but they both say no. they talked to each briefly, asked what was that about? i got very general answers but governor perry said, thought it went very well tonight, add lot of fun. said what about the bad blood with romney, pull his wife over and have you met my wife? he introduce node anita perry.

did he not want to talk about t. >> romney said this is a good one, this is really -- well -- >> and then i asked governor romney about it as he was walking off exstayed comes with the ter attorney general i get it i'm fine with t i had a lot of fun tonight. i said you two had the death glare. ann romney, his wife interjected, you mean the animosity. she brought that word up. i said do you think this will continue? governor romney shrugged and said, we will see. those are the two guys, yes, herman cain is a phenomenon and we need to talk about him tonight, romney and perry are the two guys have the struck struck, the resources, the campaign team to keep them ghgt long hauchl you see them go to a new level tonight. we will watch how this place out you watch morning after if they have any remorse about being so personal and the a mossity, could you see it in their eyes anderson, see it on their eyes on television, people at home saw this they both have tens of millions of dollars, raise tense millions more, choose come soon to a tv ad war near you that is the big question tonight. >> there is a problem though in this, and it is why people like herman cain, herman cain got

attacked for his 9-9-9 plan, but he was pretty amiable in his responses. there wasn't this kind of animosity. i think rick perry came tonight for a knife five. he knew toad do it. he knew he had to attack mitt romney. did he it. i think the result of this, overall is going to be to keep the undecideds undecided. this didn't really settle anything tonight. think just really keeps this race interesting. >> but the other thing though was that it was very from mitt romney's point of view, people thought the attention would be on herman cain and romney would go after cain. in fact, romney shaved heavy fire power for perry and became clear he does not take cain that seriously in the long run. he thinks per vity opposition and went after him. >> the first ten minutes was about herman cain's 9-9-9 plan. >> faded off. the other thing iscy think an audience watching that clip you just showed would say, i'm not sure i want either one of those guys in the white house. >> that's right. the appeal. >> you know about that.

>> i think we are all focused on the wrong thing here, frankly. i survived bush/mccain fights of 2000, didn't care for each other. the voters don't pay atention there is an might whether they like each other they apay tention to whether they like candidate or not. each has different strengths there. nothing changed fundamentally tonight this is still a perry/romney race, as john said, and because romney is really up to his game so well. perry is not a good debator but you don't win elections on debates alone. and cain remains the one who could step in if perry stumbles as theanti-romney. i don't see anything really change in that dynamic. >> ari fleisher, are you holding onto an apple and an orange? >> anderson -- >> i'm hungry. >> here is an an apple and an orange, i'm a tax wonk and i loft debate about taxes, i want to hear more policy debates about taxes. >> romney stuffed him on that stuffed perry -- cain on. >> that get him on it. he said do you -- do you add it on to -- do you add it on top of a state sales tax? >> but you are also hearing from

cain get rid of the current code and that's what people are responding to also. so this is -- if you are going to have a huge change like this on taxes -- >> tax on top of a tax also. >> they do but it is both. >> i think it is the time he uses when he talk bus the way we currently pay for things, there is something to that that he needs to explain, the burden is on him to explain. said i'm ready to sell it to the american people, he needs to do that, to see whether it can hold up. it isn't really additive, but what the real number is isn't quite clear. apples and oranges, you are right, didn't make that case. >> many, many conservatives come forward in the last couple of days and said these -- the taxes are going to go up if you're on the lower end of the economic scale if you are even in the middle class. >>s that's right. herman cain's 9-9-9 plan is actually a tax plan that will raise taxes on the middle class and force people who are currently paying lower taxes to pay more taxes because the sales taxes are very regressive form of tax. but what we didn't hear tonight in a state that has many

unemployed americans, many homes in foreclosure is a plan to grow the economy. tonight, we heard, you know, once again, the two front runners talk about their differences on immigration, on a host of other i shall wise really didn't get down to how they will grow the economy. maybe they will save that for last. >> i want to bring in dana lash, how often something played it the hall is different how it appears on tv are. i have no idea how this appeared on tv. as you watched it, what did you you think? >> i think there was good vetting of this plan it is a very complex plan. i mean, 9-9-9, an easy sound bite, a lot of questions. people asked about the poe thoechx to create a value-add tax a point rick santorum made to the debate, adding another tax scream stream on this taxes would go up for 84% of americans. cain was really put on the hot seat about this i think did he well overall but it really kind

of created more questions. i think that he is going to have to do a better job of putting in soundbite portions to answer. i mean, this was the time to sell it. i think did he okay with selling it. >> ari? >> is the beauty of campaigns. what cain should do next is take advantage of the focus on his plan, give three major speeches, one on each of the 9s and explain t take advantage of it. >> in new hampshire? >> he has to make his case. >> where there's low tax? >> very hard to make a case in a republican primary about creating a new national tax because the counterargument will be what if we get a democratic president? what if he wants to make it 10-10-10 or 12-12-12? the happiest guy on this stage when the romney/perry fist cuffs began is herman cain. apples and oranges is not going to explain this to everybody, you can see it in his eyes, looking for a way to find a new explanation and thought it would keep coming and the subject changed. i think he needs explain it better, through speeches or whatever, very happy when the focus move aid way from him to

give him time to reflect how to do a better job on that. >> i would argue that his 9-9-9 plan probably peaked tonight. when you are running on a stage like this and every to other candidate in your party says it is a bad idea, you have got a problem with your plan. >> a lot the more to talk about tonight, including more on the herman cain phenomenon. back in just a moment, live from las vegas.

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none of my distinguished colleagues who have attacked me up here tonight understand the plan. they're wrong about it being a value-added tax. we simply remove the hidden taxes that are in goods and services with our plan and replace it with a single rate, 9%. i invite every family to do your own calculations with that arithmetic. >> we have been talking about herman cain's 9-9-9 plan. you heard some of the scrutiny he took about it tonight on the stage. tom foreman joins us from washington with a fact check on the proposal. tom? >> the problem, anderson is he says they don't understand their plan. the problem is only he and his team seem to understand his plan. let's consider one of the comments that was made tonight as he and mitt romney locked heads over this question of whether 9-9-9 is revenue-neutral and who will pay for it. listen. >> it is a jobs plan, it is revenue neutral, it does not raise taxes on those that are making the least.

all of those are simply not true. >> analysis i did, person by person, it raises taxes. if it lowers taxes on the middle class that's great. that is not what i saw. >> who is right on this matter here? romney says 9-9-9 raises taxes on the middle class. herman cain says it does not. let's look at the facts here. the tax center policy came out with the first most comprehensive analysis on this they said 84% of taxpayers would pay more under the 9-9-9 plan, families making less than $30,000 would be hit had the hardest, the highest income fam wlis get a tax break. not a definitive word but as close as we have come so farm the simple truth, anderson, look at mitt romney's plan raises taxes on the middle class that appears to be true and that makes a lot of the claims that herman cain is making about 9-9-9, unless he has got a much

better explanation than what he has got so far false. >> let's bring the panel back. you think the 9-9-9 peaked tonight? >> the rise in the polls brings the scrutiny there tom gave the analysis. a, creating a new tax, conservatives wouldn't like that national sales tax fight that some love to go eventually, people talked about the past in the current system version hard to sell to con seurat it was. number two herman cain has the great rags-to-riches story, grew up poor no question this would hit lower income people the hardest. and you can't go away saying trust me when groups on the left and groups on the right make the point that it would raise taxes on most middle class americans and working class americans there is a debate whether it would be revenue neutral and whether the federal government would take the in the same amount of money if you are a republican candidate and have a centrist group saying you will raise taxes on 84% of americans

that is a very tough argument to sell at a republican primary. >> erin, governor nor quest, the governor of the anti-tax mom. called this plan dangerous? >> he came on "outfront" talked about it says he signs onto it as long as it is revenue-neutral, he think it is is it is your job to sell to the american people if you are going to change the burneds as to where you're getting that revenue. he thinks is consistent with his pledge to your point, i think is a little bit of shift from what nor quest said before. >> ron paul continues to say it is very dangerous. >> so does michele bachmann. her point is once to you open the door and as john was saying, there isn't -- you know if there's democrats running the white house or democrats running the congress, once you open the door, you can -- you can increase that tax and why would republicans want to do that or vote for a national sales tax? hard to get around in the state of new hampshire where herman cain has to run and do well. >> here is the point it is not to our plan. it is his. he is the candidate. the burden is on him to take

advantage of this moment, go forward and sell t that's what you do when you run for president. >> he is a latent republican candidate now in many of the state polls. his plan will break the bank l increase the federal deficit and put him -- even tougher tax burden on the middle class at a time when they can least afford it. >> it -- it -- herman cain was glowing popularity in part, because he is feisty and he is interesting and he has a wonderful life story but also the simplicity of the plan and now when you look beneath it, the cover of the plan, you see how complex it is, and realizes, this is a plan that redistributes the tax burden down. it reduces the tax burden on the wealthy and it redistributing you the tax burden down. at a very time in this country having all sorts of questions income and inequality, he comes along and says let's increase income inequality in the country that is not going to fly that is yes think he peaked tonight. mortgage people look at this, they will say -- >> speak about him in the past

tense. >> i think he peaked. >> i'm willing to keep watching him. i don't think that is the case. >> he said he -- he says he is hiring staff. >> he needs a lot. >> soundbiting. >> he needs some policy staff, honestly. >> that's true. >> i think the plan -- the screw the knit plan faces will hurt him in the long run. did he peak tonight? i don't think we can answer that question, here is what we don't know, he has a little bit of ross perot, he has the tea party favor, some of those people if we say its it's bad, they will think it's good f another politician says it's bad, they will think its it's good. there is this attitude of don't trust the establishment, don't trust the politicians, sarah pail won say we he in the lame street media. some people everyone against it will help him n long run, can he last a two-way race? >> dana, do you think he peaked tonight? >> no, i don't think that he has peaked yet. the if you are vor surrounding herman cain is getting started. he is one of the most aggressive -- in fact, he is the most aggressive primary candidate, out front on so many issues, he says things i think other candidates are wanded not

to say and it works in herman cain's favor. he is just very blunt. he is very forthright that does well for him, too. but i do agree what's been said. he needs to be a little bit more -- he needs speak a little bit bet we are about this 9-9-9 plan so many questions so complex and seems like there is always another story behind it took ten minutes of the debate just to get into the meat and potatoes of it tonight. it is very difficult. and he has to get better at that. >> it wasn't meat and potatoes, it was apples and oranges. going to take a quick break. when we come back, show what you they had to say about the occupy wall street movement, immigration, faith, a lot more ahead. stay with us.

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>> you stood here in front of the american people and did not tell the truth that you had illegals working on your property, and the newspaper came to you and brought it to your attention and you still, a year later, had those individuals working for you. >> we hired a lawn company to mow our lawn and they had illegal immigrants that were working there. when that was pointed out to us, we let them go. you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking. and i suggest that if you want to become president of the united states, you have to let both people speak. >> rick perry all but accusing you mitt romney of like to the public there dana loesch, you have been critical of mitt romney in the past. how did you think he did tonight? >> i thought this was mitt romney's worst debate. rom think? a very good debater, he has some

sua suave rhetorical skills, but he was negative tonight. he came across that is goo do-gooder campaigner guy who didn't have anything bad to say he would con descend in a polite way this time he got dirty and started slinging mud that's going to hurt him because he came across as rude and condescending, i don't think people identified by that that works against a candidate every time this was his worst debate. >> did you see that in mitt romney tonight? >> i thought he stood his ground, punched back and that is what debates are all b i think people are going to forget this this was a feisty moment in a long debate, money one of many debate, many more to come. i think romney stays on top. >> you know, he was attacked and he fought badge the only chord he struck that didn't sit with me was when in a very complicated discussion over immigration and off a fence and how to do it, he said it is not that difficult, it is easy you not hard to do that and you listen to that and you think,

know what, it is difficult or it to would be done. >> i want to show a little bit about what some of the candidate also to say about the occupy wall street movement. let's watch. >> herman cain, i got to ask you, you said, quote -- two weeks ago, don't blame wall street, don't blame the big banks. if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself. that's two weeks ago, the movement has grown. do you still say that? >> yes, i do still say that. and here's why -- [ cheers and applause ] i still stand by my statement. and here's why. they might be frustrated with wall street and the bankers, but they're directing their anger at the wrong place. wall street didn't put in failed economic policies. wall street didn't spend a trillion dollars that didn't do any good. wall street isn't going around the country trying to sell another $450 billion. they ought to be over in front of the white house taking out their frustration. >> sort of teed it up for him there i didn't really mean to

clearly just knocked that one with out of the park and it was obviously, at least nor audience in this hall that played very well. >> still fascinating. he is the fascinating outsider with the business credential. and this is a great year to be that i still wish he was a governor, that as much as an outsider, some governing experience, he has to learn to be more temperament in the think essays, electric cation of the fence, et cetera. he has to get more presidential if he wants to try to win. >> a question in the hall from a latino voter, registered republican, he changed the question was going to ask. the question he had planned to ask was that in his -- he was going to say in his community, republican is sometimes a dirty word and what account people in on this stage do to change that? he kind of backed away from that actually in the hall, but that is what he had written down the question he wanted to ask. how did you think, donna that they responded to the question that was asked about how republicans can reach out to late teen snow i thought they were flat footed.

quite frankly. i thought after coming off being really stride accident on immigration and not talking about a comprehensive solution and solving the problem, many didn't know what to say, how to appeal to the fastest growing minority in this country, minority community this country and i know from experience, winning states like nevada, colorado, colorado, new mexico and many ears, you need the latino vote. something that george w. bush did in 2000, something that president obama did in 2008 and if one of these candidates wish to be president of the united states, they will have to reach out to the latino community. >> how do you think the occupy wall street mom. -- does it play a role in this upcoming election? 'cause democrats seem kind of conflicted about whether to embrace it or, you know, we have heard nancy pelosi saying she understands the anger of it, president obama saying he understands the frustration of t. >> and tonight, ron paul said he understands the anger and frustration of t and i think people don't really know how to

react to it because they don't know how it is going to play out. what i think is true is that wall street will be an issue one way or another. you heard tonight on this stage the bailout of wall street is going to be an issue among republicans and there were charges about whether rick perry had, in fact, support the bailout when he said he didn't. and so, you know, that -- wall street itself and the question of the bailout and why did wall street do well and why is wall street coming out of this and middle america is not is going to be a central question in this campaign. >> i think a lot depends, anderson, about occupy movement, about what happens after first frost. do they stay out in there in the parks? do the demonstrations continue to grow or do they begin to fade? if they fade, the occupy movement is not going to be an issue in the campaign. but they have put on the table, one of the first times i can remember, this question about the withdrawning gap between the wealthy and everybody else and that is an issue republicans have shied away from.

i think they are going to have to come to grips with it. president obama is clearly moving to the the left on this he is clearly going to make that part of his campaign strategy and the republicans are going to have to, i believe, dom grips with that and frankly if you don't show much sympathy for people at the bottom, and some of these -- there was a mix up there tonight about, you know exron office the one showing sympathy if they don't have much sympathy for that they are going to have some trouble. >> do you see a lot of anti-fed signs in the occupy wall street. >> it is an anti-establishment protest movement now, anti-greed, anti-big, anti-big bank, sometimes anti-washington, because they believe washington is part of the problem or at least not listening to their concerns. president obama today told abc's jake tapper, view it is very much like the tea party movement. we don't know that yet t is an effective protest movement now almost they make the transition to an effective political movement? the tea party did that the tea party did that and made a huge impact on the 2010 election and influencing all these candidates up here. the juice it still has in the republican party.

the occupy wall street mom. as important as this is, this is not to bring them down in anyway, we haven't seen the persistence we saw in the tea party movement, the tea party targeted specific candidates, including republican incumbent and they proveded political punch. >> we don't know if they vote. >> i will predict to you, i don't think the issue will be what happens after first frost, i think they will get cold and won't sleep in parks anymore. the issue will be after the first throughers would of spring. i think that's when this thing gets big. i think next summer this occupy wall street smochlt going to get very big. they can roll prominently at both parties' conventions and i think it will boomerang in the sent over this country and largely hurt those who try to associate too closely. right now, it looks too much like a fringe group f they had more of a focus on poverty and living in difficulties between rich and poor, policies affect it think they would have more credibility between independent he is in the center. right now, think they will turn off the center and independent. >> dana, i heard you scoffing

when it was compared to -- there's a couple of things that i have to same i disagree with the notion that this is anti-greed. any movement that protests for a living wage regardless of whether or not you're employed is the epitome of greed, number one. number two, there's no -- there's no responsibility given to washington at all whatsoever. this current.administration is proppeded up by wall street. this is the wall street president. this president has received more from goldman sachs and the very entities that these protesters are out there protesting than any other president. three, i think the grassroots element in this has been hijacked already. one of the things that the tea party -- the tea party had to deal with two front,s tea party fought against republican establishment, i was very involved in new york 23. newt gingrich and i went over didi skocozafava. theft endormts of the president, they have the blessing of nancy

pelosi, also endorsed by the nazi party of the united states, and communist. these are thing we did not see with the tea party movement. >> i see them as an organic down home movement. they are seeking to educate the american people about the inequality in wages. >> before we start demonizing them and marginalizing them, we should listen to them, something the tea party wanted washington to do we should listen to those occupying cities across the country. >> got take a quick break, coming up who came out looking the most approximately presidential tonight? we will break it down when we

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referring to you? >> if you want to know how someone's going to act in the future, look how they act in the past. i mean, so mitt, while you were the governor of massachusetts in that period of time, you were 47th in the nation in job creation. during that same period of time, we created 20 times more jobs. what we need is someone who will draw a bright contrast between themselves and president obama. and let me tell you one thing, i will draw that bright contrast. >> i got to give you 30 seconds. governor romney? >> with regards to track record in the past, governor, you were the chairman of al gore's campaign. all right? and there was a fellow texan named george bush running. so, if we're looking at the past, i think we know where you were. >> donna brazile, i saw you chuckling at that. >> i was with dick gephardt that year, but remember rick perry fondlism and he's a tough, tough, tough customer. i thought rick perry gave a very robust performance tonight. he came clearly more energized. he was ready to take on mitt

romney. i don't know if this would help but with $15 million in the bank, he can put together an organization in those states. >> i saw a tweet from erick erickson, where has this rick perry been before. he has actually -- do you think he learned from the past dethe way. if you the last debate, he seemed like almost just trying to get through it. >> the last debate, they were all seated at a table, and a harder environment in which to throw verbal punches at somebody else, i don't know why. when you are standing it is a little easier. he needed to do it got to do some more of it if he wants to be the nominee. >> if he had been as good in the other debates as he was tonight this would be a two two-man ray the fact is he had weak debate performances, i think he came back tonight, much better briefed, he hit hard and it was -- it did get personal but -- i think he lifted himself tonight. as i have made clear, i think herman cain may not have -- may have peaked.

>> i think the attack on immigration though against -- against mitt romney for hiring -- knowingly hiring illegal immigrants was old and kind of small when you're talking about -- >> from five years ago. >> when you are talking about immigration policy. >> however, romney gave what many republicans are calling a clintonesque answer, saying that i'm running for office, i found out they were illegal. well, how about it was wrong to have illegals working on your lawn. so you only did something about it because you're running for office? >> that is not good answer. that is going to come back that part is going to come back. >> the perry people said to me they think it is somewhat unfair that mitt romney is no longer getting red is the, these i shall were head four years ago, he is getting a pass it is perry's job to bring those he shall use took life. >> john king, you are saying nobody at this point, no one is will drop out before iowa? >> you think so you notice tonight rick santorum, low in the polls, inching up a little bit in iowa, every time he got a chance to answer he returns to the core issues about the

family, the social issues. why? a, because he believes tb, because it brings him in enough small contributions to keep going. michele bachmann, could have asked her had the the come over the sky she talks about moms, women, moms, womens, why? pa thank is the base of her small contribution. issues important to her. not saying the issues don't matter her built candidates struggling understand they need to stay viable through iowa. after iowa, one or two of those candidates to the right of the race unlikely have the money to succeed but they are going to stay and fight until iowa. >> can i say that newt gingrich seemed like the elder statesman this evening, aside from the last-minute attack on the media, which always happens. but he did seem like somebody who was the voice of reason for a while. >> going to take a quick break. up next, did the fireworks work? will this debate go into the books or -- as a make or break moment or snot we will be right back. i didn't catch that. to speak to a representative, please say representative now. representative. goodbye! you don't like automated customer service,

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so, this was the last debate until some time in november when there's yet yet another debate. was it a make or break night for anyone? quick final the thoughts. donna, make or break for anybody? >> i thought herman cain was a little bit -- played defense a lot but still a very strong and viable candidate in the republican primary. >> think we are down to three. and i still think the race for who is the anti-romney is an important race in case something goes wrong with romney and he loses. whoever is left standing has a chance. >> mitt romney walked in as a front runner and i think walked out as a stronger funt front runner. the fist cuffs is bad news for the party. somebody should take and shake these candidates. when you have got the front runner of your party called a liar by three other candidates on the stage there is a problem for the party and the from the

runner. >> also a political ad coming down the road for barack obama. if i were in the white house right now, i would have enjoyed it. >> newt gingrich said that was media tactic, a tactic of mine or cnns but i was surprised by, we weren't setting people up nor kind of -- personal attack. >> they came to do it. i don't disagree with david, i think there was a flip side, the obama/clinton debate wasn't that pleasant. sometimes you emerge a strong candidate by being kicked around. you said make or break. i think it was a make night for rick per prism he had another lousy debate, gone from 30 to 4 1 4 >> dana loesch, make or break? >> i like the fist cuffs, i think is good vetting, time with the see more of tchit.