he said murray could have saved jackson if he had done a quote, simple chin lift when he saw the pop star had stopped breathing. and a 4.6 magnitude earthquake has struck about 50 mile southeast of san antonio texas. this is a town of campbellton. the u.s. geological survey says it is the largest quake to hit the area since '93. the earthquake was just over two miles deep and caused the brief evacuation of the federal building in downtown san antonio. welcome back. let's continue on in the breaking news on this thursday. the latest on the death of moammar gadhafi. president obama speaking within just this past hour in the rose garden. take a listen. >> today government of libya announced the death of moammar gadhafi. this marks the end of a long and painful chapter for the people of libya. who now have the opportunity to

determine their own destiny in a new and democratic libya. >> no details from the president as to exactly how gadhafi died. there are clearly many, many questions about that. i want you to take a look at that. this footage shot today in gadhafi's home town. sirte. it appears to show gadhafi in custody and still alive up against that truck. it is jumpy, hard to follow. we do see this man purportedly gadhafi, in this semi upright position. clearly under duress. quite possibly mortally wounded. the most detailed account we have thus far at cnn. detailed but unconfirmed, is that he was wound asked captured in his home town of sirte. that his captors were determined to put him in a car, drive him to misrata. there are hospitals there. and that gadhafi died in transport. and cautioned, a lot of questions here as this story comes down. dan rivers live for us now in the libyan capital of tripoli as

night has fallen there. 9:00 your time. we've been talking about your covering the battle for sirte. to the best of your knowledge, what happened today? dan. >> reporter: well, it appears that the rebels, or the revolutionary forces forced their way into the last district. district two that was being held by gadhafi loyalists. the line was broken effectively with a big push this morning. as that happened, it seems a convoy tried to flee from sirte containing colonel gadhafi and other senior advisers. it made it to the west. we understand along the coastal highway out of sirte. but then there was a nato air strike at about 8:30. we're not sure if that hit the convoy but it certainly was aiming at vehicles in the area. within getting a picture from various sources that colonel gadhafi had taken shelter out of

his vehicle in a culvert underneath that highway. it was there that he was cornered. we don't know exactly how but clearly he was injured in the struggle. some sources suggesting he tried to run as they tried to stop him and he was shot. some reports in his leg, some reports say he was also shot in the head. you can clearly see in the video footage that he was bloodied but alive when the rebels took that video. we don't know what happened afterwards. we're being told that he died from his wounds. that's the story that we're being told by the ntc here anyway. we're waiting for more details about exactly what his autopsy will confirm. then his body was taken to misrata. >> let me jump in. i would be remiss not to point out the fireworks that wee seen popping up oh your shoulder. what sounds to be gun fire, presumably celebratory gun fire. not at this moment but i saw fireworks.

i presume that there will be celebrations through the night, yes? >> yeah. wild celebrations here. we've been down in martyr square in the center of tripoli in the last hour. and there are hundreds of people there letting off fireworks. some shooting their guns into the air. a lot of women and children out as well, actually. some women carrying the pictures of their loved ones who either died at the hands of gadhafi's regime or died in the battle to rid this country of gadhafi's regime. so it is tinged with poignancy. no one underestimates what a hugely significant and historic day the 20th of october is in libya. >> with regard to the happiness, my question then work does it matter to the libyans who exactly killed gadhafi? because initially, there were reports that suggested nato air strikes injured, possibly killed him. seemed to have been discounted. is it better that libyans

themselves killed this man? >> reporter: i don't think it matters that much. the prime minister of the ntc here is very clearly saying that gadhafi was not killed by a nato air strike. but they've been wrong with their information in the past so we have to be cautious on that front. i don't think it really matters to the people throughout tonight. all they care about is that gadhafi is dead. this war is effectively over as far as we can see. and sirte has fallen. that was the last stronghold of any loyalists loyal to gadhafi. the big question now is what happens next. can all of these disparity groups and militias and tribes be united together to get through a democratic process to elect a government or is this going to descend into infighting and acrimony? that's the nightmare scenario that many people and analysts are worried about. >> dan rivers for us from tripoli. thank you so much. i want to bring in "time"

magazine's deputy international editor, bobby. you covered gadhafi's regime for years and years. as you saw the fireworks. i don't know if you were watching a moment ago. fire work over the tripoli sky. 9:00 there. clearly jubilation. what is your reaction to the news today in. >> it does remind me of baghdad the day saddam hussein was captured and also, baghdad the day that he was hung. there was the same celebratory atmosphere that went on for a couple of days. people were quite happy and delighted to see the end of their tormenter. in very different ways, of course. saddam got a trial, fair or not. a very long trial. and people had time to, if you like, prepare for his death. whereas in this case it came suddenly. i think ben who spoke just before me was absolutely right. people won't care very much

today whether it was a nato strike or a libyan bullet that killed him. but in the days and weeks ahead, questions will be asked about whether he could have been taken alive, whether he should have been put before a judge and a jury. but at the moment, that's not what anybody there is thinking about. >> to that point, i was watching an interview between wolf blitzer and the ntc ambassador. wolf pose that had question and he answer that had it was better that gadhafi was killed versus captured alive. do you think a lot of libyans would agree with that? >> reporter: well, i think a lot of libyan wos viscerally agree. i think the example we saw in baghdad of saddam hussein's trial suggests that that is not a bad way to go either. in the end, the fear is that putting saddam on the dock would give him an opportunity to grandstand, to make political points. it didn't turn out to be true. he was exposed for exactly what

he was and i suspect if kalifi would have gotten a trial, that would have been the case too. i think libyans would have liked this to be over quickly and now it has. >> the obvious next question. will everyone get along within libya or will we see acrimony? my question for you, getting a dictator is certainly one triumph. but running an entire country, a country that does not know democracy, is the ntc up for it? >> i think they are. they've been running the country. they've been running large parts of the country for nearly eight months. 38 been running the country for two months now. and a lot of people in the ntc have quite a lot of experience. several have lived and worked abroad and have experienced democracy. democracy isn't nuclear science. it's not that hard for people no, hatter what their experience level and their education level, to understand the basics tenets. some of the processes of democracy are not easy to

organize and run and libya will need help to do that. the world is standing by. the french, the canadians, i beg your pardon, the british, and we heard today president obama saying that the united states is standing by to help. lots of countries have come into democracy over the course of the past century that didn't have any such experience. they've done pretty well for themselves on the whole. i come from india. india had no experience of democracy and is now the biggest democracy in the world. i'm not too worried the libyans will be able to take this and make it their own. >> the president acknowledging they will help but he also said that it will be a long and winding road to full democracy today. the "time" magazine deputy international editor. thank you so much. to his point, to our questions we continue to ask, what is next for libya. we'll talk to senior correspondent ben weederman who is the first western journalist to enter the country, report from libya on the ground during

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your breadth and depth of the region. i want to talk about this. you said despite the talk about a trial, it was clear gadhafi would die by the sword. why do you say that? >> reporter: well, i spent a lot of time with the rebels and i was in misrata, for instance, when the international criminal court came out with its subpoena for gadhafi and other senior figures in the regime. but it was very clear. speaking to fighters, speaking to ordinary libyans, that given the depth of hatred for moammar gadhafi, given the bitterness, over 42 years of mismanagement of that otherwise wealthy country, that as soon as though fighters who have no real military training or discipline got their hands on gadhafi alive, it was pretty clear. they were going to kill him. >> the frozen assets, ben. what happens next? >> of course, now the united states has to release them in some form or another, as well as those countries in europe that are holding frozen libyan

assets. certainly the the country is in desperate need of that money. a lot of the roads in libya were never in good condition even before the war. libyans will always complain to you that the quality of education, health care, and so on, was not good. that never did the government make adequate investment in that infrastructure. so they want the money and they want it quickly. however, it must be said that the libyan, the national transitional council has been pretty good at getting the country running again. it is not like iraq which took a very long time to get back on its feet again if it is on its feet at the moment. libya was pretty quick already at getting the oil flowing again. and if you go to benghazi in tripoli, life looks pretty normal except on a day like this. >> so you have uncovered certainly iraq and now libya, final question. what are some of the positives? the advances with regard to the

situation in libya that can perhaps create a positive end game. democracy. >> libya certainly of all the revolutions that have taken place so far in the arab world, is best placed. it has a relatively small population of about 6.5 million. relatively well educated population. inhabiting a wonderful bit of coastline on the mediterranean and of course, the biggest oil reserves in africa. so certainly everything in that respect is pointing in the direction of a positive future for libya. the politics a bit murky at the moment. but if write would be optimisti. >> just want to remind everyone and show some video of you. the first journalist to enter the country after the uprising. and your tv crew was the first to get to the initial

stronghold, that being benghazi. listen to ben describing the reaction they received. >> reporter: we are the first television crew to get to this city. and we were just overwhelmed by the welcome here. people were throwing candy inside the car. clapping, shaking our hands. telling us, you're welcome, thank you for coming here. an incredible experience.

one man that is foom with the strife, he is the son of libyan political activist. his father was jailed by gadhafi's regime in the '90s.

has not been heard from since. and you say you came here when you were 5. i thinky bitty with your uncle to attend school, correct? >> correct. >> first beginning the news today, gadhafi's death. did you believe it when you read it or saw it? >> no. i was online looking for videos, pictures, something to conif i am it. and it took a little bit. when i got here into the studio, that's when i actually saw some videos and it brought goose bumps and chills and smiles to my face. and smiles to your face. your mother is in libya right now. she's in benghazi. >> correct. she and my older brother. >> just visiting. >> and trying to get some information regarding my father's dpirisappearance. >> have they said anything? >> i tried to get ahold of them. i was unable to. i'm assuming they're out celebrating with every other libyan. >> everyone else. >> explain to me your father.

he was an activist. >> correct. >> and why is he in a prison in libya? >> he was a throat ceat to gadh of course. he was part of the national front for the salvation of libya. and he did a lot of traveling. did a lot of these things. basically to promote democracy for libya. and he was a threat to gadhafi. he was kidnapped by the security service and handed over to the libyan secret service and imprisoned in the prison there. in 1993, to '95, we were smuggled, a few letters from my father were smuggled to us. >> do you have memories of your father at all? >> yes, i have slight memories of my father. >> now that the regime is done,

do you know if your father is still in prison? is he alive? >> we're hoping. the last place that he could be is sirte. gadhafi's home town. possibly in some of the underground prisons. but that's our last place to look. and if not, then hopefully he was a martyr as well as the others. >> so he could be in sirte. >> could be, possibly. >> underground. could be walking the streets. we just don't know. how can you get that information? are you working on that? >> my brother is currently over there. we have a lot of my family over there. they're constantly on the quest to find out more information regarding my father's case. and so far, nothing. they've heard a few rumors there but nothing definitive. >> nothing. >> you know the libyan people and the question that keeps being bounced around.

will they be able to instill this true sense of democracy and move forward in a solid strong way. do you have faith they can do that? >> definitely. they were able to bring gadhafi down after 42 years. no one ever expected that. i never thought it would occur in my lifetime. >> you didn't. >> no, never. i'm pretty sure democracy will come to libya pretty soon and we'll all get to enjoy it. >> ahmed, thank you so much. let us know when you find your dad. >> will do. thank you. coming up, a look back at moammar gadhafi's fall. plus live to washington for some reaction from capitol hill. ♪ that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8.

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back to our breaking news and the death of moammar gadhafi. we are now learning just a few more details with regard to his death. we can now tell you, according to some of these reports, he was brandishing a golden gun at the time. here is video of a golden gun according to reports. these are a number. ntc fighters, all wanting to

touch it. you can see it once again. according to these reports, this is just coming in in drips and drabs. that gadhafi was killed by a young libyan man. we have his named. mow ham albibi. he was reportedly holding the golden gun when he was captured. i want to go to capitol hill to kate with some reaction from the hill. reaction to gadhafi's death. what are you hearing? >> reporter: probably not surprising to any of our viewers. democrats and republicans on both sides of the aisle. everyone really applauding this conclusion, if you will. the death of moammar gadhafi. republican senator lindsay graham summing up probably what many lawmakers are feeling, saying, the mad dog of the middle east is dead and the libyan people can breathe a sigh of relief. generally speaking, lawmakers seem to be describing this as a victory first for the libyan people. also, a victory for democracy. as democratic efforts across the

world. and also, a victory for u.s. involvement in this conflict. there are still some lawmakers that are critical the obama administration did not act quickly or deice issively enough to bring this conflict to an end southeastern. republican senator from florida, marco rubio is one of those critics. he was just visiting at the end of last month. listen to what senator rubio had to say this morning. >> my point is if the u.s. had gotten involved early, aggressively and decisively, today would have happened months ago. libya would not be as destroyed. there wouldn't be as many rockets missing. it great that it turned out well but there are consequences. sometimes you don't just have to do the right thing. you haved to the right thing at the right time. i think this administration failed to do that. >> another big question, of course know where do thing go from here? it seem both democrats and republicans agree that even at this early stage that there does

need to be some u.s. involve. . some role for the united states in assisting the libyan people in this post gadhafi era. we want to you liberty to senator chris kuhns. listen here. >> i think our engagement in libya which takes a different turn today can and should remain one that is scaled appropriate to the needs of the libyan people to now quickly transition to a stable democracy to rejoing the community of nations. to dealing with the humanitarian citizen infrastructure needs that they face immediately right in front of us. >> immediately though, it seems no one is coming out to say what kind of assistance or role the united states should play and what kind of role the u.s. congress should play in providing that assistance. of course, that will be a big

topic of discussions in the days ahead. >> perhaps i will ask senator rubio himself. he'll be on the show in a matter of minutes here. republican senator from florida. republican senator from florida. now to this. the man who ruled libya with this iron grip for 42 years was ousted by his own people in this uprising that turned into a bloody civil war. a war, of course, that led to his death. just some hours ago. i want to take a look back on how libya got to where it is today. the first signs on february 16th at the arab spring had spread to libya. a violent crackdown on demonstrators protesting the arrest of a human rights activist. and within days, clashes had erupted across the country. and as images of the violence made their way on to the internet, the gadhafi a family used state tv to dismiss reports that they were losing control.

>> today tripoli is quiet. yesterday tripoli was quiet. schools are open. people are out. normally. life is normal here. >> the western world saw it differently. >> it is u.s. policy that gadhafi needs to go. >> by the end of february, sanctions were ill pose asked colonel gadhafi's assets, frozen. the first attacks on libya came on march 19th. french, british, and american forces fired more than 110 missiles at libyan military assets. days later, nato took over the mission. and on april 30th, launch ad missile fake killed gadhafi's youngest son and three of his grandchildren. the libyan leaders' base of support began to crumble amid political defections and increasing international support for the rebels' transitional council. by late june the international criminal court had issued a warrant for the arrest of

gadhafi for crimes against humanity. remaining defiant on august 15th, gadhafi made a speech urging libyans to fight opposition forces. >> the end of colonization is soon. the end of the rats is also soon. >> but the rebels advanced on tripoli. >> today tripoli, not gadhafi. >> and a week later, stormed his compound. to find it abandoned. the capitol had fallen but the battle was not yet won. throughout accept, government fighters advanced on gadhafi's remaining three strongholds. finally the deposed leader's home town of sirte. the regime that had ruled libya for 42 years barely put up a fight. and through it all, libya's ousted leader remained out of sight and his family members on the run.

this week marking the end game for one of the world's most enduring dictators. as the last of gadhafi's loyalists were overzploen the man who ruled libya for 42 years met his demise. this graphic cell phone video emerged, allegedly showing the former libyan dictator bloodied and lifeless. celebrations erupted from sirte to tripoli on the news. >> coming up next, some inside information into the inner workings of the gadhafi government. i should say, the gadhafi regime from former libyan lobbyists. first the suspects you see here allegedly ill prisoned several other people including the niece of the woman in the middle. their story next. i came up with is the hot dog ez bun steamer. steam is the key to a great hot dog. i knew it was going to be a success. the invention was so simple that i knew i needed to protect it. my name is chris schutte and i got my patent, trademark and llc on legalzoom. [ shapiro ] we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams.

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the developments in libya that 42-year dictator moammar gadhafi has been shot and killed but i want to bring you some other stories. if it is interesting and happening now, you're about to see it rapid fire. new information about a crazy scene outside of zanesville, ohio, where dozens of xotic animals were on the loose. first off, this is some of the home video. a bear running looxs we have now

learned six of the animals, a grizzly, two monkey, two leopards. they are quarantined. but officers shot 42 lions, tigers, wolves and more. i want to you listen to one man's call about what he saw from the highway. >> there's a lion on mount perry road. there is a big horse farm on the right. i drove out and i walked out and it was standing there in front of the street light. >> we got one of them. >> the suspect accused of locking four people in a base many may have had even more victim. police in philadelphia say these three suspects you see here imprisoned several other people including the niece of the woman there in the middle. the niece is being treated for, quote, horrific injuries. also, a fourth suspect was charged yesterday. officials say punishment will be harsh. >> when we talk about that kind of cruelty to somebody over and

over and over again, there is no penalty. and i repeat, no penalty that is too harsh for the people that did this. absolutely no penalty. >> a man taking part in the protest in greece has died. hospital officials tell cnn he died of cardiac arrest. this news comes during day two now of those protests. thousands of people in the streets here in greece ahead of the you a tarot measures to combat the country's massive debt that will include job loss. police fired tear gas and stun grenades into the crowds to break some of these people up. and prosecutors in the involuntary manslaughter trial of michael jackson's doctor, dr. conrad murray are expected to wrap up the case. just yesterday an these jolly yift said he most likely died because his tongue blocked the back of his throat. he said he could have saved jackson's life if he had done a simple chin lift when he saw the pop star had stopped breathing. a 4.6 magnitude earthquake has hit outside san antonio,

texas. this is town of campbellton, texas. the u.s. geological survey says it is the largest quake to hit the area since 1993. the earthquake was just over two miles deep and caused the brief evacuation of the federal building in downtown san antonio. and stay right here. more of our breaking story of moammar gadhafi after this short break.

i want to get you caught up here with regard to the breaking story today. the death of moammar gadhafi. this is president obama speaking just about 90 minutes ago.

>> today the government of libya announced the death of moammar gadhafi. this marks the end of a long and painful chapter for the people libya. who now have the opportunity to dem their own destiny in a new and democratic libya. >> no details from the president as to exactly how gadhafi died. there are clearly a lot of questions about that. but again, i want to look at this footage. purportedly shot today in gadhafi's home town of sirte. it appears to show gadhafi in custody, still alive. it is jumpy and hard to follow but take a look. this man against this truck purportedly gadhafi. semi upright position, under duress. quite possibly mortally wounded. i want to bring in rhonda, former lobbyist for the libyan government in washington. she also serves as associate deputy energy secretary under president george w. bush. and rhonda, first i have to ask your reaction to today's

stunning news. >> brooke, it was certainly stunning as i woke up this morning and heard the news. i thought it was only a matter of time, certainly, as the rebel forces were closing in to colonel gadhafi's compound. it was certain lay pleasant surprise this morning, certainly for the people of libya who are now free to live independent and move forward for their future. >> i know that you worked with the bush administration to try to normalize relations, right? between the u.s. and libya under this regime. what was that like? working with them. >> it was historic, certainly. during the post 9/11 format, we had a bush administration policy that was to rid rogue nations of weapons of mass destruction, first starting with iraq and then moving on to libya. it was an interesting experiment, if you will, in foreign policy in that libya was the first country to be removed from the terrorism list by virtue of diploma. and it was the bush

administration diplomats. many of them who worked very hard in removing libya from that list and moving that country forward and taking those weapons of mass destruction out of gadhafi's hands. that being said, we were left certainly with the same old regime to work with. that became a difficult prospect for the obama administration who inherited the bush administration policies on libya. >> i understand you work directly with saif al islam gadhafi. is that correct? >> yes. >> he was described as cerebral and a playboy. >> he was in the forefront of the reform movement in libya. when i worked with him in 2004 and 2007, he was very much dedicated to a reform libya. a libya that would have a constitution. it would have democratic elections and he was very much in the forefront of negotiating with members in the u.s. government about reforming the ways of libya and moving libya forward. so he oftentimes battled with his father on some of these policies.

but unfortunately, when libya's arab renaissance or arab awakening took place recently, saif decided that he no longer wanted to move forward on the reform agenda and stayed with his father. >> so who was calling the shots? there have been questions gadhafi's leadership. was it his son or was it moammar gadhafi? >> i'm sure it was the leader, moammar gadhafi himself. he also has called the shots certainly. he had a number of sons and i understand many of them have since died certainly in the war. but it always has been and his close circle of advisers. what's interesting is many of the people who are serving now in the transitional council high worked with, who were at one time gadhafi loyalists were brave enough to defect. and went to the other side and they knew what gadhafi was going and what his next moves were because they worked with him closely in the government and the regime. >> help us just put this in a broader perspective. you bring up the arab spring. we've been reporting on multiple countries for months and months. how will today's news, how will

gadhafi's death impact the arab world and perhaps specifically, syria? >> well, it is interesting. it is now being called the arab awakening. not the arab spring anymore. i think it is a good term myself colleagues in the arab world like that term very much. what this means for the arab awakening, each dictator is going by the wayside in a variety of ways. from tunisia to egypt and now libya. in libya's case, this was a case in which nato forces and international military force assisted the libyan people and the fighters in overthey go to their dictator. it may happen in syria as well. the syrian regime and bashar al assad has to realize his time is limited and the people do want him to leave. the next step might be a case where there will be international intervention of a military sort. and as we saw today, this is what the ending portends. the death of a dictator rather

than deposing the dictator or in the case of egypt, the dictator going on trial. >> we've heard with regard to bash ashe al assad, he has lost his lemming it massey his, legitimacy to rule. and in africa, the biggest oil reserves are in libya. what happens to them now? the postal service is critical to our economy--

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v8. what's your number? i want to talk libya and oil right. now let's go to cnn money.com. poppy, what will today's news, what will gadhafi's death mean for libyan oil? >> a very good question, and the reason everyone is asking that

question, why they care is let's take a look at a map of africa. it will tell you the answer. when you look at libya, it is not about the oil they produce. they only produce about 2% of the world's crude. they sit atop the single most oil reserves in the entire, in the entirety of africa. that's critical, what hasn't been tapped in libya. in terms of the production, let's take a look. this is a nation that exported about 1.6 million barrels of crude a day. that was before the conflict in libya. then it fell to zero. they weren't exporting any. today it is back to about 350,000 barrels of crude a day. nowhere near where they were. the big question is who controls the oil? it was controlled by gadhafi and his regime. and then during conflict, it was controlled some would say by rebels. others would say they didn't know who was controlling it. still controlled by libya itself. there is not private companies winter as there is in the united states. the question is, what is the

political situation going to be like in libya? who will control that oil? you've got a lot of different political factions. the point is who will get the money from that oil in that's the very, very big question. obviously, not gadhafi and his regime anymore. but there is a lot of uncertainty until you look at big company that's want to come in and tap the oil in libya. get it back on the global market. they're going to be very hesitant to do that if they don't see political stability. so one report from an analyst i read said even by 2014, they do not know if that, all that production can come back online. >> that is a good point. we keep asking what's next. that's another example of why stability is so key in that region. you can read about the story. go to cnn money.com. while libyans are dancing in the streets berk saw fireworks in tripoli not too long ago. now that this 42-year despot is

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senator marco rubio of florida visited libya last month with republican delegation that included senators john mccain, lindsey graham and senator rubio good enough to join me live from capitol hill. senator, we were just talking in the break, it's been a couple of weeks since you were on the ground for mere hours in libya, so obviously first question, stunning news today. what's your reaction? >> well, it's an opportunity for the chapter for the libyan story, the ability now to

rebuild their kourn tri. it's not going to be easy. there are a lot of roadblocks alock the way and things to overco overcome, but hopefully, they have the spirit to do ilt and we can be a little helpful to that. >> and senator, it's amazing to think back. it was february when this whole rebellion and the war began and now, here we are eight months later, gadhafi is dead after he overthrew of his government. i know as recent as this morning, you've been quite critical of the administration, this president. what does the president, what does he got wrong here? >> first of all, what i've been critical of is not that he made the wrong decision, but that he took too long to make it. today's a great day. we should look forward. we want to talk about the role the u.s. played as far as a lesson for the future. there was a point earl early in this conflict where the u.s.

would have gotten involved and done what we've done so aggressively. this conflict would have ended a lot sooner. a lot less people killed. you wouldn't have 30 some odd militias that are now armed that you hope will disarm and join the effort. you wouldn't have thousands of young men that have been maimed and injured that have to go through physical rehabilitation. you wouldn't have thousands of shoulder fired rockets missing. the fact this incident was p prolonged, that it took so long to bring this to a conclusion is going to have some lasting impacts. the lessons are that sometimes making the right decision has to be made at the right time and scale. i think this president failed to do that. >> if it's an issue of timing, we, u.s., nato, should have gotten in earlier, then do you

think that the u.s./nato should be involved and for how long in this transition process? >> we should be involved in the transition process to the extent the libyan people want us to be involved. they didn't ask us for a ground invasi invasion. they asked for a no fly zone. now, moving forward, i think what they'll tell you they need most is medical assistance. they have a loot of people injured. a lot of young men who are the backbone of their workforce who need rehabilitation. they've got frozen assets they're willing to use to pay us and other countries, so they're asking for medical assistance and i was encouraged that secretary clinton traveled there yesterday and heard the same message and seems willing to offer that. >> i don't know if you've seen

the video when she was reacting. i look forward to having you back on and talking to you once again. appreciate you coming on on this day. we are getting more of course on the death, the breaking story of moammar gadhafi. i have jim clancy, who has talked to this man three times. what was that like? also, more on the death itself. be right back. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement available only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car's totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy?

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gadhafi's death today. this is from a senior nato official tells chris lawrence it's believed gadhafi survived a combined strike on his convoy and died after being captured by rebels outside sirte. the convoy was hit around sirte by a combination of french jets and a drone firing a missile. that official has been unable to say if gadhafi was in fact in that convoy. that down from a senior nato official. back to our veteran correspondent, jim clancy. you interviewed moammar gadhafi three times. in a word, how do you describe the man? >> fate certainly today is how i i remember him. it was inevitable. i want to show you a clip from an interview i did. take note of this. he's in a wheelchair with head lamps and turn signals. he hadn't told us he was injured. so i asked him, what happened?

take a look. >> translator: thank you very much for your questioning or asking. it is a very simple matter. i was exercising and i fell down, i broke my leg and now, my health is improving. i use the chair to move around. back to the most important issue -- all of us. >> he wanted to change the subject immediately. you know why? my sources told me -- >> he didn't just fall. >> no. unless it was horseshoes and hand grenades he had been playing. somebody through a hand grenade into a crowd and wounded both legs. he was hated more than 31,000 libyans have died in this conflict alone. not just libya. west africa. 50,000