but not sure where it did hit. i'm deb feyerick in for don lemon at the cnn world headquarters in atlanta. thank you for spending part of your saturday here with us. i will see you right back here tomorrow night, 6:00, 7:00, and 10:00 eastern. have a great night.

kelsey grammer is one of the most talked about, one of the most famous, one of the most beloved faces in american television history. he joins me now. you are, aren't you? you've been part of the american television consciousness for so long. you must walk around the street and everyone goes hey, kelsey. everyone must think they know you. >> well, those things do happen. those events do take place. sometimes it's hey, frasier, but more often than not, it's hey, kelsey. >> do you like the kind of mass attention you still get? or i've done it, i just want to just go and --

>> it's always pleasant. it's always flatter. it's always meant in an optimistic kind of affectionate way. so i take it that way and return the compliment actually. >> you enjoy the status of television icon? >> sure. i've be a fool to say i didn't. >> i would. let's be honest with you. odd thing about you -- and i mean this in the best sense -- i don't think i've ever had an american television star sit here who openly admits to being a republican. >> oh, well, you know. >> you're that guy. >> i'm that guy. >> i think musicians -- i don't think i've ever had a tv person. normally the world of television is just infused with liberals. and most movie star, i'd say. >> i think you're right about that. i'm a bit of a rebel. i don't tend to warm too well to people that tell me how i'm supposed to think. so my life in hollywood, i'm afraid i was destined to be a republican. >> how does it go down with all

your famous friends? is it lonely out there? >> pretty lonely, but they seem to tolerate me somehow, because i can at least state myself eloquently and without -- without actually kind of assuming the veneer of what they assume is what a republican is some kind of nasty, strange villain that, you know, should be vilified and hated. >> it's obvious that has become the way republicanism is now perceived in this country. you know, you are either extremely with them, with all that appears to entail, or you're completely against them. but they're very divisive. to say you're a republican now divides people immediately. you go back 30 years, it wasn't like that. >> the tone of political assessment has changed. honestly, the battle for the hearts and the minds of the american people has taken on a bit more of a violent and narrow approach. i mean, you have to actually

make sure that nobody swallows anything of what you are in order to ensure that you get their vote. so it's very easy to understand why you'd want to make somebody hateful. >> as you say, people i guess see you as a comic actor. you were born in the virgin island, you grew up in florida, at 18 you leave the family in florida and go to new york, the juilliard school. very prestigious. you did do the hard yards of theatrical training to be a serious actor. >> for a couple of year, then they kicked me out. >> who was your inspiration then. >> did you ever imagine at that stage when you were at the juilliard, you were looking around all these talented people, presumably, did you ever imagine in your wildest dreams or maybe nightmares the level of fame that you would one day get through acting? >> no. it's funny. there was something -- i did believe that i was going to be successful as an actor. and i did realize that if you're

successful as an actor, it might come along with fringe benefits, i guess, or peripheral anxieties. >> stage acting is kind of great because you go out every night and you get instant reaction from an audience. it's normally pretty good. a good play or whatever it may be, a good musical, they're cheering you, and you go off and feel fantastic. the worst thing about television is the terrible wait. i've made shows and they take months to make. then there's this terrible buildup. in the back of your mind all you're thinking is this could tank, and then what? >> well, i've had that experience, too. >> "frasier" like "cheers" they were phenomenal shows, popular, global shows. when you first started making them, did you get an inkling early on, this is going to be huge, it's going to change my life, or did it just happen? >> well, i'll tell you a story that david hyde pierce has

repeated. after we shot the pilot, we got a standing ovation and everything went away. and we all felt pretty good about it. he said, he said to me, so what do you think? what does this mean? and i said, for you? it means you're going to buy a really nice house. and then he said, well, what does it mean for you? it means i'm probably going to buy a couple. you do have a sense -- you know when you know. you can tell. and there's a beauty about releasing it to the public to just saying, okay, here it is. love it or hate it. we did our best. when i researched your life for this interview, i could almost at times barely believe what i was reading about the stuff that's happened to you, the really bad stuff. most people go through life and they have a bit of trauma along the way. i apologize in advance for going through this in almost like a list form, but when i read that your parents divorced when you

were 2. your father, who you had barely seen since then, was shot and killed. in 1975 your younger sister karen was abducted, raped and murdered. she was 18. in 1980 your younger twin half-brothers died in a scuba diving accident. in 2001, your close friend, producer of "frasier," died in the 9/11 attacks. i got to the end of this, and i didn't know, to be honest with you, how you had even come through that. i don't know how any human being comes through that kind of thing. i mean, put it in some kind of overall context for me, to be hit by so much tragedy. >> well, we touched on it a little bit before, though i was being general. and one that's really important is my granddad died, too, when is was 12. he raised me. that was the -- that was the big impact until my sister was killed, of course. that one just seemed like an absurd topping on the situation that i thought was just impossible.

and it was that incident that sort of propelled me into a -- at least a phase. i mean, i lost faith. when i was a boy -- it's sort of like that old walt whitman poem about everything a boy saw he became. i had a love affair with the universe. with a blade of grass, with a rising sun, went surfing, i used to surf all the time when i was a kid. my life was a joy. it was a joyful experience. it was full of sort of affirmation and encouragement, and i loved being alive. and i was consciously in love with being alive. and then these deaths took place. you know, these deaths occurred. and when i lost gordon, i went very quiet for a long time. that's my granddad. and i didn't really speak to anybody for a couple of months. >> he'd been the father figure. >> he was my father, yeah, basically.

and when i finally sat one night -- this is in ft. lauderdale where we had moved. and i got this overwhelming sense that i was just going to be alone for the rest of my life. which made me kind of sad. and when i was 18, i packed it all up and went to juilliard to find my fortune, whatever. but it was that year, two years later, actually, when karen was killed, that, you know, sent me into kind of a tailspin. and it was a horrible nightmare for her. i mean, it was. the three young men that abducted her, raped her repeatedly, said that she would, you know, maybe they'd let her go. this, this, and more documentation about what happened. and i being the big brother i'd always been thought that i had some responsibility for that.

and that haunted me for, well, at least 20 years, that notion. >> it makes so much more sense to me, the kind of slightly chaotic relationships that you had and the kind of -- the descent into drugs and alcohol and so on, it all makes much more sense when you understand what you've been through. >> sure, yeah. >> it doesn't surprise me. >> yeah. i think after the success came, you know, robin williams had that great saying about saying, you know, cocaine's god's way of telling you you're making too much money. >> you trained with him. >> yeah, we were together in school. but once success came -- what really compounded my difficulties in some of that was simply that i didn't feel like i was worth it. that i didn't deserve that kind of success, that kind of reward, that kind of -- well, what you say about me, you know, this popular face on television. i'm okay with it now.

>> if you think about it, is >> if you think about it, is there actually a reality to this? i mean, you were earning squillions, you had the fast cars and the beautiful women. for a while, it must be fun, despite everything else. >> absolutely. i would be a fool to tell you i wasn't having a good time. >> i talk to people going through this and it was terrible. no, it wasn't. if it was that bad, you wouldn't have been doing it. >> cocaine was too much for me.

>> what was the wake-up moment? >> there were several along the way. where i'd sit there and say, you got to stop. this has got to stop. but it's hard to do that with cocaine. it's insidious and it's wonderful, that's the problem. >> how did you manage to stop in the end? >> actually, i did go to betty ford and that helped. and the best thing that they said, actually, was how's it been working for you? that's what i thought. well, you spend a month here and maybe you'll figure a way to do things a little differently. honestly that was the turning point in terms of me being able to take charge of my life again. because i do -- i do all kinds of things. i still have a wonderful, fun kind of approach to life. i do not -- i don't do cocaine any more. >> do you drink alcohol? >> i have a drink sometimes, yeah. >> you can drink in moderation? >> yes.

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here with kelsey grammer. let's talk love, marriage and divorce. >> all right. >> i don't know what order you do it in. but you've already explained in a very, i think, profound way why you think you drifted into, i guess what turned out to be inappropriate relationships. but at the time maybe didn't seem so inappropriate. did you struggle for a long time to have any meaningful relationship because of all the drugs, the partying and everything else? was it all inconsequential at the time? how did it feel to you? >> it's interesting. i spent oh maybe about eight years not really settles down with anybody. having peripheral relationships with people. i was mostly focused on acting, trying to get a job, doing some work. and then when i came to new

york, i met a girl. i was 28 years old. and i thought, i'm tired of this. i actually want to settle down and have a child. i'd like to start a family. so i met my first wife. >> doreen. >> doreen. it went pretty poorly. >> this lasted -- well. >> it lasted a year. but it took a long time to get divorced, which is interesting. about a five-year divorce, actually. >> huh a great daughter spencer. >> a fantastic child spencer. >> now it was your second marriage, this starts to really deteriorate. you married the stripper lee ann. >> shawani. >> in 1992. that lasted a year. >> a year. >> lots of allegations of abuse, she fired a gun at you. this was "the national enquirer" for real. >> oh, it was horrible, yeah. it was horrible. >> did she fire a gun at you? >> that was another night. that was before i married her.

>> you married her after she shot at you? >> yeah, this is -- >> was that not a warning sign? >> it was certainly a shot across the bow. >> i'm thinking twice about the marriage. >> so that fell apart pretty quickly. then i met my third wife. and what's funny is i didn't see the -- i didn't see the similarities at first, but all the same impulses came up about, oh, i could really help her. you know -- >> this is camille? >> yeah, i can save her. give her some sort of refuge. i think in the long run -- i mean, it's difficult to have anybody hear this, but i think it wasn't really a relationship based upon love. it was a relationship based upon appearances. and it was good for me to basically, you know, at least

try to settle down and have a normal relationship. and so i sort of dedicated myself to that without realizing that i needed to have a profound love to really pull that off. and so -- >> and what was bizarre about the whole thing was it was all being played out on television. >> everything's played out on television. >> she was in "the real housewives of beverly hills." you would pop in and out. the whole unraveling of that marriage. imagine for you to always run away from that kind of attention on your private life. >> right. >> this must have been like hell, wasn't it? >> i have to tell you, "the real housewives" was my parting gift to her. whether or not it worked out out well for her doesn't matter. it was my way of saying, you always wanted to be famous. here you go. everybody knows that reality shows are not a great way to become famous. you still get attention and get all the things that come along for the ride, which i think she

was most interested in. that was the gift. i knew when it came up, we'd be saying good-bye. i remember having one conversation where i said, well, don't worry about it. after the first season you can do the divorced wives of beverly hills next season. >> you weren't really joking. >> no, i wasn't. >> quite early on in the marriage, you said that camille was the most profound, the most rewarding, the most honest relationship of your life and that it was love at first sight for you. >> no, i think what i was trying to do was sell it to myself. you know, knowing that i didn't really have many more chances at something like that in my mind. and i thought that this was the kind of relationship i should try to have. and it just -- there was the still small voice in the back of my head saying, this isn't going to work. but i stuck to it. >> how are thins between you now? because you've got two children. it's been, to put it mildly, messy, and you pretty well kept your dignified counsel. but how are things?

>> not very good. >> you have no contact? >> we have no dialogue. there have been some very unfortunate incidents, public incidents in front of the children, stuff like that we'd like to -- i'd like to avoid. there have been some attacks on kate, which aren't particularly interesting but i guess, you know, people say all kinds of things. but none of those are true. and we've had some difficult moments. the only thing that i've ever really wanted was to try to work out something that would be nice for the kids, but -- >> how is your relationship with them? >> oh, it's great. >> do you get plenty of access? >> well, they're doing their best to actually make that difficult for me right now. here's the thing, listen. through a divorce really almost from first day we were married. it stayed that way for a long time. i give a piece of advice to women who say i want a divorce as some sort of tactic.

because if you say i want a divorce enough types you're going to get one. >> do you think she married you because you were kelsey grammer tv icon? >> i think she married me because i was frasier. >> really? simple as that. >> i think it was frasier. he had this great wonderful life. he was stylish and -- >> great personality. >> and all that stuff. just a little gay. and he was famous. you know. kelsey grammer was a different story. you got home and kelsey grammer was somebody different. and you know, she said quite a few ugly things. and it's not so bad that she says them publicly, but i know what happens is she's actually saying them in front of the kids at home. >> what's been the worst thing, the most hurtful thing she said about you. >> i haven't been keeping track about everything. >> if there's one you thing about, what's the thing that really stung you? what do you hate being called the most? what's the most unfair labeling?

>> she once said that i didn't want my daughter. that pissed me off. >> yeah, well, it would, wouldn't it? >> yeah. >> because the one thing that i sense with you is you're a very committed father. >> yeah. >> you've been a fairly hopeless husband. >> yes. >> from time to time with the various wives and some have been pretty useless wives but you throughout it has been a conscientious, loving father. >> yeah. >> so that thing must really hurt. >> the thing that hurt me the most that hurt both kate and me, actually, was the thing about our lost -- the child we lost. >> because kate's pregnant. >> something about it being karma. >> see, that's just a vicious thing to say. >> that's just disgusting. so i guess that's all i have to say. >> let's have a break. let's make things happier here. let's bring things up to current day and to your new wife kate. you finally went british.

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i am running with scissors. >> the brilliant "cheers," of course, from paramount, again. "cheers" is appropriate really because we've come to that point of the interview where things take a happy turn. you're on a flight to new york from england. where are you flying when you meet kate? >> when i met kate. i was on a flight to england. >> to england from new york. >> from los angeles. >> from los angeles. >> yeah. >> and a virgin atlantic flight. she's a stewardess on one of richard branson's beautiful stewardesses. >> yes. >> i've been on many flights. and there have been many beautiful stewardesses, particularly on virgin atlantic, none has given me a second look. what was it about you on this flight. what magic did you weave? because kate is a beautiful young lady as anyone can see here. >> i'll have to set the stage a little bit. i had a heart attack three years ago. it was after the heart attack,

about a month after the heart attack, my mother died. and i had just a horrible day with the ex, threatening divorce again and screaming about how it was all over. and i thought, my mother just died. what's wrong with you? and i suddenly realized -- and i've said this before to a press person and they actually said -- i said it first. i said to myself in my head, i looked at my life and i thought, is this the last story you want your life to tell? and i said no. now, granted, it took me another two years. but about a year and a half after that moment, camille started seeing somebody. and i even encouraged it. i thought, you know what? go find your happiness because you are not happy with me. that's where it was. and i was doing that show. i got this phone call. are you interested in playing george in "la cage aux folles"? come to england and see what you think of the production.

and i knew the minute i got that phone call, that my life was going to change completely and that i was -- that somebody else was happening. and when i walked through l.a.x, i spotted a girl. >> like a movie script. >> it was amazing. i spotted a girl who just looked to me to be magnificent. and it wasn't just that she was attractive or that she had, you know, obvious assets. there was a warmth a glow about her, that i was drawn to. and i thought, boy, i hope she's on my flight. and when we got on the plane.

and when we got on the plane, she sort of walked down the other aisle and i went she's there, i hope she's like working on my side of the plane. and then there was this one moment where we sort of smiled at each other. and i thought i've got to talk to her and so we started talking -- >> did she know who you were? >> i think she knew who i was but she didn't know who i am. i found her so charming and warm and interesting and lovely and i guess there was a sort of freshness about my persona at the time that was attractive enough to her to think it would be worth meeting for a cup of coffee. as i walked down through the lobby of the hotel i was in, i turned and looked at the bar and thought that's just a pickup joint. that's not the right place for us to have this moment. and so i walked to the middle of the street, it was christmas. it was magnificent. there were lights everywhere. there was a nip in the air and this vision comes up from the stop in front of harvey nichols and puts on a little lipstick and i thought, oh, my good, she's the cutest thing i've ever seen. i said, listen, i want to just go take a walk, it doesn't feel right to be in there. we took a walk over to hyde park.

they had this christmas fair thing going on. there was a ferris wheel. >> i know exactly what you're talking about. i know that fair. >> we got on the ferris wheel and i looked at her and i thought -- i have to go back for one second. for the last several years i had been saying to one particular friend of mine, i said i don't care if i ever have sex again. i just want to be kissed. i want someone to kiss me again in my life and mean it. and i looked at her in that moment and i thought i'm going to try. >> well, don't leave it there. >> i told you i wouldn't cry. she's going like -- so i leaned in and kissed her and we've been together ever since. > it's one of the most romantic things i've ever heard. >> the snow started to fall as we walked across the street together. it was insane, like all the planets had danced together on

our behalf. it was messy, it was difficult since then. kate was uncertain, i was trying to do some noble gesture to make the destruction of the marriage, the previous marriage go easier somehow and that was a mistake. that was just a mistake. i should have walked home and said we're done, you can finally have everything you wanted and i found a new life. >> i mean, it takes a strong woman to put up with all the mess that was around your life outside. >> absolutely. >> and to stick with it and to end up marrying you, fourth wife. you're not like an easy sell to a family, you know. what is it about her you think that enabled her to deal with all this? >> she believes in love. >> i hope you still fly virgin atlantic because it richard branson hears this story, he'll want to make a movie out of this. >> we just went to england to visit her family and visit her

niece that was born to kate's sister and brother-in-law. i love this new family. i lament the fact i'm not being allowed to see my children as much as i'd like to, but we're going to iron that out. it's on ward and upward. >> you know they say true love will conquer all and i think you've found true love. >> i have. >> let's have a little break. let's come back for a last segment. i can't take much more of this romance. it's going to finish me off. >> okay. [ beep ] [ mom ] scooter? the progresso chicken noodle you made is so good. it's got tender white meat chicken. the way i always made it for you. one more thing.... those pj's you like, i bought you five new pairs. love you. did you see the hockey game last night? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup.

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she's made films, records and even a novel and her second novel is out now. at 24 she's getting ready for what may be her biggest challenge yet. that's motherhood. congratulations. a little boy i hear.

>> yes. >> how are you feeling? >> i feel great actually. i hear horror stories about early pregnancy and it's been a breeze for me so i'm one of the lucky ones. >> when you look at yourself, do you feel irritated, do you feel proud? do you feel it's a different time, a different world? what do you feel? >> i feel like across the years it's been like mixed emotions. right when i finished the show i was really ready to prove i was hillary duff and i started singing and doing a lot of things to separate myself. now as i'm older and i have accomplished so much and people know me as hillary and not lizzie,now i embrace where i came from. it was such a massive show and affected so many people and made me who i was. i would not have my career now without that. so it's more funny i think now that i'm older to look back and see it and not feel irritated. >> is it a curse? because when you're a child star at 13, it must all seem incredibly exciting.

and then there comes that moment when you just really want to grow up and people don't want you to. you're kind of stuck there until you can break out. >> what i turned about 18 or 19, i was really ready to stop being seen in this like perfect light. and i really -- it's just not in my personality to go rail against who i am and do something outrageous so people -- >> normally what happens when people get to 19 they go completely crazy. we have the drugs, the booze, the sexual exploits in vegas. what happened to you? >> you know what, it's just not in my character. i fought really hard to prove that there's a different way. it might have been a more slow and steady route but i think i figured it out. >> how do you avoid it? you're getting all this money, all this fame. for a young person i always think it's incredibly difficult. it never surprises me when young people go off the rails when they become really famous.

when i was 18, 19, i remember what i was like. i was having a crazy time with no money and no fame. add those two cocktails to the list. it would have been a disaster. i totally understand it. >> you know what, the thing is i had a very strict -- my mom gave me a lot of freedom but she didn't -- i didn't get to behave a certain way. i showed up on time for work and she made me aware constantly that this is a job and there are, you know, 2,000 other girls ready to take your spot as soon as you're disrespecting people or getting too big for yourself, she was very adamant about that. >> you came to hollywood with your mom when you were 9. >> yes, and my sister. >> did your mom always have this inkling you had what it took? >> i don't think so. i think every parent thinks their kid is adorable and perfect and could be on tv, but my sister and i really showed interest in this and dedication and she's like how can i tell my kids no, you know. it's the same as kids that are

going into sports. parents support them and push them and it was kind of just like that. >> do you feel you missed out on anything. >> of course, yeah. >> what do you feel that you missed out on? >> stupid things like passing notes in school and having a locker and riding the bus. really stupid things. but at the time i felt once i started touring and my life -- it was -- you're very isolated. >> it can be lonely, can't it? >> it is, absolutely. i lost a lot of my friends. i was on a totally different playing field than anybody else. i grew up a lot faster and it put me in a different place but i wouldn't trade it. i had this amazing life and these amazing experiences at a young age. i was good at separating that and being like they get this and i get this. >> if your little boy gets to about 8 or 9 and says, mommy, i want to be star.

>> no. >> how can you stop it? >> it's so hard. you know, people automatically -- my husband's a hockey player and they automatically assume the baby's going to be born with skates on or like it's going to be in the spotlight right away. i don't think there's a way to stop it. i think kids know what they want but i just pray to good that's not what he wants. >> why would you be so concerned? >> from when i started to now, the industry is so different. i mean, there's such an obsession with people's private lives that i really don't think was there before. the paparazzi wasn't as bad. and these shows about digging into people's lives and wanting to embarrass everybody and show that we're human beings, too, it's just so invasive and it's just a different business than it used to be. >> what is the least perfect thing about you? i was really struggling to find anything. >> you know, the public really has this perception of me that i'm perfect. and it's just so crazy because --

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>> do you believe in love at first sight? >> i'll let you know. >> but i've seen you before. >> yes. >> how could i have seen you before and not know who you are now?

>> maybe you were looking but you weren't really seeing. >> that was hilary duff in a cinderella story that made more than $70 million worldwide. not bad. >> not too shabby. >> not as much as you made from your music and your books. you've made a lot of money, haven't you? >> i have. >> staggering sums of money. how rich are you? >> my mom taught me not to talk about money. >> give me a ballpark? >> really, no way, huh-uh. i have done quite well. >> back to faye dunaway. i had no idea about this. basically you were up for the remake of bonnie and clyde and faye dunaway shoves her four pennies worth in and says i wish they were looking for a real actress. i suppose most young actresses thought that's faye dunaway, i'd better be respectful. it you piled in big-time and said to her -- >> no you can read off your blackberry. >> you basically said if you looked like faye dunaway, you would be feeling pretty angry too. >> do you like that?

>> i love that that was fantastically bitchy. i loved it. did it have the desired effect? >> she came back and said i never made that comment and blah, blah, blah. it really got a lot of press when i said that because i have been a punching bag and i understand why i could have been. >> you thought enough. >> there's no reason why people can say comments and expect no retaliation. i mean, why would she say that to me? >> he probably doesn't know -- >> i couldn't agree more. now, you've married an incredibly wealthy hand some sporting superstar. what attracted you to him? >> you know, he's an amazing guy. and i'm still lucky to have met him and to have found someone i'm so compatible with. we have such a normal relationship and household. and it's so great compared to stepping outside and kind of what our everyday is. >> how many terrible frogs did you have to kiss?

>> quite a few. we were just talking about our lists earlier today. we tease each other all the time. it's such a funny thing. >> who had the worst list? >> him by far. come on. >> you went out with two other famous people, joel madden and aaron carter. is it a good idea to go out with somebody famous. >> does it work do you think to the benefit or are there negatives. obviously you attract more attention. i guess they know the kind of circus that you're in. >> i think that's the positive part is understanding the lifestyle and how difficult it is. you really have that in common. and for a while, i mean, when i was younger, those were the only people i was meeting. that was my world. how am i supposed to meet a normal guy. that's what really attracted me to my husband was that he kind of gets it because he's in the sports world and they get a bit of that, but we have -- we had different lives but things in common. and it was great for me to not.

>> blinded by this ring on your finger. let me see this. >> it's one of the biggest rocks i have ever seen. that was your engagement ring. >> didn't you have kim kardashian on the show? >> it's way bigger. >> don't put it away so soon. that is huge. >> it's pretty good. >> is that what he gave you as an engagement ring? >> yes, it's really beautiful and i look at it still and i can't believe it's mine. i almost fainted when i saw it. >> you're writing a book curiously about divorce. >> i planned on it writing a book on divorce, and i changed my mind. so. >> really? >> yeah, i have. i had my parents went through a very nasty divorce. and i didn't talk to my dad for a long time. and our relationship has gotten a lot better and we're in a really good place. i just don't feel like the need for that anymore. >> good for you. >> yeah. it's a really good place for me. >> so this is devoted, tell me quickly about this before we go.

>> it's about a young photojournalist who is -- her father disappears. she's traveling across the world trying to unravel the mystery of what happened to him. and in the meantime, she finds -- she falls in love with this mysterious man that's from a past life. there's lots of other elements but it has a paranormal aspect. >> did you write these. >> yes. >> quite unusual for a child star. >> i do. not to write them but i have a cowriter, her name elise allen. i trimmed up this whole story and these characters and the plot and when i met with my publishers i'm like okay, you know i stopped going to school in the middle of third grade. i don't know how to have the confidence to do this. i know i have a strong story but how do i get from pen to paper and just start that. she was really amazing i think everything i do is a collaborative effort if i'm