here is john, as a parent, i used corporal punishment sparingly. it becomes abuse when it is the only means for discipline. another coming to us saying, no one would ever pose that question regarding men hitting women. children should never, ever be hit. one other we can share with you saying, it crosses the line when the punishment causes bruises. i was given this technique, but never had scars. so many of you chimed in for the conversation and we thank you for that. we're going to go to our next hour of cnn saturday morning, but something you need to remember is to turn your clocks back an hour tonight. daylight savings time starts at 2:00 a.m. so you need to reset that clock before you go to bed tonight. let's reset this thing now and get you started and caught up on this cnn saturday morning. >> it is the 5th ooh november. i'm t.j. holmes coming to you from our headquarters in

atlanta. so glad you could be here with us. legendary broadcaster andy rooney has died at the age of 92. his death comes weeks after he signed off for the last time on "60 minutes." we, of course, looking back at his life and career at this hour. across america, growing anger over voter i.d. laws. more states are following suit requiring you to have a photo i.d. to vote. and he's never one to hold back over what he thinks. we'll hear what jesse jackson has to say about the occupy wall street movement that he is now supporting, even advising. but this morning, we are remembering andy rooney. average guy who became a household name by telling it like you saw it every sunday as he closed cbs's "60 minutes." he died just a month after signing off with these words. >> i may have given the impression that i don't care

what anyone else thinks, but i do care. i care a lot. i have always hoped that people will like what i've written. being liked is nice. but it is not my intent. i spent my first 50 years trying to become well known as a writer. and the next 30 trying to avoid being famous. >> the executive producer of "60 minutes" said, quote, it's hard to imagine not having andy around. he loved his life and he lived it on his own terms. we will miss him very much. gary tuchman now with a look back at andy's extraordinary career. >> the funny thing is, over the years, our opinion of how our hair looks best changes. i used to think i looked best with long side burns. why in the world would i have ever thought that? i didn't realize i looked so funny back then or i probably never would have gone on

television at all. >> andy rooney did not have a look that was especially friendly. but it was his talent as a writer that set him apart and eventually made him a star. andy rooney was a "60 minutes" original, starting with the show as a producer. he became a regular on-air contributor in 1978. rooney's diatribes documenting the struggles of modern looifr were an instant hit. >> part of my success is how average i am. i'm a very normal guy. and it does not occur to me, walking down the street, that anyone recognizes me or it bugs me when they do still. >> rooney started his writing career in the u.s. military. he was assigned as a correspondent to the military newspaper, stars and stripes. after being drafted into the army in 1941. rooney often wrote about the men in the bombing machines, eventually having -- about their experiences in 1944. after the war, rooney became a

freelance magazine writer. he later moved to television, running for some of the biggest names in the business. >> i started in this business. i wrote for a lot of people. i wrote for arthur godfrey for five years, i wrote for sam levinson, gary moore and harry reisner. i'm basically a writer and i lost harry reisner, so i started doing my own stuff on television, but it was just an emergency. >> andy rooney's writing talents earned him six america's gild awards. two emmys came with a few minutes with andy rooney in "60 minutes." if. >> if it's any good, i can write it in a couple of hours. and if it isn't any good, it takes me a couple of days. >> andy rooney appeared numerous times on larry king live, also appearing in a daily column.

his wife of 62 years died of heart failure in 2004. on october 2nd, 2011, after 33 years on the show, he gave his final regular commentary for "60 minutes." a style and dry whit as unique as the man. >> i recently brought this new laptop to use when i travel. look at that. it fits right into the briefcase here, weighs less than three pounds. i lose that much getting mad waiting to get on the plane through security at the airport. >> the common man with the common touch about problems that hit close to home. gary tuchman, cnn. >> this morning, we have been talking with those who knew and worked with andy rooney. later this hour, you'll hear morely slaifr from "60 minutes" and bob arnautt about the same, their colleague and friend. it's five minutes past the hour now. let's turn to presidential politics. the rice for the white house. it's been a tough week for herman cain. he faced a barrage of questions

over sexual ra harassment claims. one of the women accusing him says she suffered specific unwanted advances from cain. her lawyer, listen to what he had to say to wolf blitzer. >> several instances, i believe that was the phrase you used of sexual harassment. what can you tell us about the nature of this sexual harassment? >> i'm sorry, i would like to be able to reveal all the details, but my clients prefers not to do that. all i can say is it was more than one incident. they qualified as sexual harassment under the law in my opinion as a lawyer and my client chooses not to get into the details again. the details were filed internally with the national restaurant association in 1999 and i assume they were brought to mr. cain's attention. >> paul steinhauser joins me from washington now. paul, what does this change? >> well, you know, t.j., the campaign is trying to get past this. in fact, communications director for the cain campaign said last

night, we're done talking about this. we want to move on. we want to talk about the real issues. but listen, there's still unanswered questions. and more people could come out. the media is still talking about it. we're proof today. my guess is this story will still be in the media this week. if there are other people in the story, this will continue on. for herman cain, it is probably not over. as for cain, tonight he is in houston, texas. he's going to face off with newt gingerich, one of his rivals at a debate being hosted by a tea party group. now, gingerich spoke about the cain incident, the cain controversy yesterday. take a listen to what he said out in jk usa. >> he is a good friend, we've been together a long time. i think he has to slow down, take a deep breath. if you've never before been hit by the entire national press core, it's a very disorienting experience. and i think he probably wasn't prepared for it and i think now he has to sit down and sort it out. >> some of the other candidates for the gop nominations saying

the same thing, supporting cain, but at the same time, maybe saying he wasn't prepared for this, wasn't ready to handle this situation, t.j. >> has this scandal been going on long enough, a number of days for us to get an understanding or any kind of a handle on how this might affect him in the polls which he's been at the top of for a little while now? >> yeah. well, there is one brand new poll. abc news in a washington poll. this was conducted monday through thursday after the controversy hit. there's herman cain pretty much where he's been the last couple of weeks. this is among republicans and independents who lean republican, the kind of people who are going to be voting in those gop primaries and caucus webs underunder two months away. go to the next figure, as well, from this poll. you can see right here nearly seven out of ten people, at least republicans say it doesn't make any difference, this controversy. bur almost one in four say they're less likely to support

herman cain. that could be the difference. cain was right here yesterday in washington. he got a pretty good reception there. he was well received there. in fact, romney also spoke there, but it was cain who got the biggest applause at this event yesterday. we'll keep watching. we'll see tonight eeps debate. we have shannon travis out there and we'll be staying on this story, no doubt about it. >> paul steinhauser, good to see you. and you can join fredericka witfield every sunday afternoon, 4:00 eastern, she'll have a special hour dedicated to the presidential contenders in the 2012 election. fredericka, of course, will be joining me here in about 30 minutes as she gets geared up and ready to go for her show top of the hour. across the country, growing anger at big banks, rising fees, some of those banks could be losing customers and their deposits today. move on.org and sponsoring a move your money day, another

group that's backing what they call a bank transfer day. it's all today. organizers calling on customers who put their money out of the so-called big banks and shift them to the smaller community banks for credit unions. the bank transfer started with a california woman and her anger at the big banks. >> i started the idea myself. it began as a facebook event that i sent to 500 of mirror closest friends. educating them to the powerful impact credit unions can have on our local community. and from there, they invited 500 and they invited 500. so now we are a team with nearly 42,000 supporters in less than two weeks. big banks for far too long have mismanaged funds and utilized unethical business practices. so it's time that we vote with our dollar and republic restore local communities. >> let's turn to overseas now. up to 100,000 protesters are expected in the streets of rome, voicing their opposition to the

government of italian prime minister sylvia berlusconi amid a growing economic crisis. italians are angry over strong austerity measures there. beryl skonny could face a vote of confidence next week. hours after barely surviving a confidence vote, greece's prime minister, george papandreou, is now trying to put forward another vote. i asked you earlier, some guy in greece, the prime minister, he got a confidence vote. what does that mean to me? >> yep. well, he survived the confidence vote. then they triedç to put a government together to try to pass this austerity package that was agreed last week with the imf and the european union. if that doesn't happen, if greece defaults, then you could have a lehman style disaster with the banks and with the economy here.

that's the worst case scenario. so greece has to get its house in order. this parliament has got to vote through the austerity package and then we should be able to see europe not go into recession. if europe goes into recession, then that would mean the u.s. would likely go into recession, too. that's the bottom line. >> jim, are they on the right track now? he gets past this confidence vote and then you take up this package deal and get rid of 50% of the greek debt. so are we on the right road that maybe there's some light at the end of this tunnel? >> exactly, yeah. every time we say that we're on the right road, something else happens. we said last wednesday we were on the right road because that's when the big plan was agreed in brussels and then it fell apart because of this prime minister. he now has to put the government together. whether he stays at prime minister, frankly, i don't think matters. whatever government comes out of greece, out of athens, he has to

convince the people here who have gone through so much pain. they were in recession this year, they were in recession last year. they will probably be in recession next year. they have to tell people, you need to lose more of your pension fund. you need to lose some of your salary. we need to cut even more jobs. it's very painful here. but if it has to happen, it had better go to the euro. that's a hard thing to sell, but that's what the government has to do. the g-20 meeting in france was wrapped up by unveiling a two-page action plan. the plan is short on specifics, just two pages. and leaders admit it will be hard for some countries to follow through as they try to get their own financial houses in order. turn to go pakistan now, a court has indicted two police officers for covering up the crime scene in a 2007 assassination of former prime minister benazir bhutto. the defense attorney says five

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the jury has the weekend off after not being able to reach a verdict in the man slaughter of michael jackson's doctor.

>> t.j., 7 1/2 hours of deliberation and no verdict. we do know a jury of seven men and five women asked to see some evidence. clearly, they are going through the case on some level. but, of course, i don't know if -- are they agreeing with it? are they taking a vote? are they sort of going through some of the testimony and some of the high points by subject in the trial? we don't know. they've been together for 20 plus days in court, so they know each other well. you get the feeling that they get along well. clearly, that will help them in the jury room. we do know what they're planning on doing in terms of speaking afterwards. we do understand that they will be given that option if they want to. clearly, a lot of people who have been following this trial would love to know what they were thinking during the trial and during this deliberation process. we had a lot of people out here on friday and i suspect they

will all be back on monday along with the jurors. >> thanks to our ted rollins there. we turn next to the occupy movement, adding to some pretty big names. names you know like reverend jesse jackson. he's talking about how this new movement can use lessons learned from the civil rights movement. that is next. shrimp today at red lobster. as much as you like any way you like, all for $15.99. offer ends soon. my name is angela trapp, and i sea food differently. some folks call me a rock star, some call me the mayor... and i love it. and, i make everybody happy. i keep my business insurance with the hartford because... they came through for me once, and i know they've got my back. for whatever challenges come your way... the hartford is here to back you up. helping you move ahead... with confidence. meet some of our small business customers at: thehartford.com/business i don't think about the unknown... i just rock n' roll.

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ambassador andrew young. some heavyweight names from the civil rights movement are offering support and advice to the occupy movement. reverend jackson talked to me a short time ago. >> in many ways, this is a new version of dr. king's last effort. his miss was to occupy the wall in washington, d.c. he thought the bomb dropped in vietnam. further we argued if we kept giving more and more privileges to the wealthy and dr. king called that moral and spiritual bankruptcy.

we fight those same charges, t.j. more and more, very expensive wars and poverty on the expansion. >> are they getting results yet, the occupy movement? >> first, the attention, we were discussing politics for a change. secondly, last week we saw the banks back down off of it. banks have been making money off of origination of loans. they made money off of property mortgage joosh. they made money off of the excessive fais phase, off of foreclosures. they have made money over money over mope. i might add, credit card debt because of the oppressive schemes of, in fact, obstructing education. >> to talk about it and get the attention, but at some point, is the occupy movement going to have to get more organized to

get results? frankly, we're seeing some ugly cities, including in oakland. >> but the common thing is economic prosperity. the income got the best of things. that incident in open did not really describe the movement with economic justice. that movement stood between them. dr. king was leading the march on collective bargaining for sanitation workers who took the alumnists. the media would rather cover the bricks than the banks. this is about bank behavior. it's where they have options to learn and invest. they had huge bottles of foreclosed homes, trenches and communities. >> all right. 23 minutes past the hour now.

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it's close to the bottom of the hour now. we've got some amazing news here. man kind has finally made the trip to mars.

the russian space shuttle has landed, what, not too long ago? you didn't hear about this? maybe hard to believe. in truth, what happened here? this was an experiment, an earth bound experiment. i talked about this mission earlier with our editorial producer. she'll explain. >> it watts a simulated mission to mars. and they took it very seriously. these six cosmonauts stayed together. one was french, one was italian, one was chinese. the chinese cosmonaut is somebody who trains individuals. they took this experiment very, very serious.

>> exactly. and it would take a year and a half, so it took the exact amount of time and simulated the experience, living in close quarters. they lived in a comesul about the size of a bus. they have a living area and they lived like that without going anywhere for the entire time. >> was this more of a mental experiment than -- >> well, they couldn't simulate the gravity. but everything else, being in a confined space. halfway through the experiment, they landed on a stomach ewe lated land pit and they got to do various experiments during the time. one of the gentleman who was on the trip got married two weeks before he went on the mission. >> i assume she knew. >> she must have nope. and yesterday, they were

released, so to speak, but not publicly. they have to undergo a lot of tests. what does a being in a confined space for a year and a half actually do? when they tried this in about 2000, it ended in a drunken brawl. because they had a female astronaut, they landed trying to kiss her. this time, there were only men. they didn't want to be the big brother trying to do experiments. and where do we go to mars? i wonder where you'll be when the first person lands on mars? i wonder where i'll be. >> we'll be sitting right here talking about the mission, the fake mission from 30 years ago. we're at the bottom of the hour here on cnn saturday morning now. there's more than a quarter million people in connecticut without power. i should say still without power. more than a week they've been without. and it's cold right now, folks. what is the utility company saying and what are they promising the customers?

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just past the bottom of the hour now, and they called them, witty, engaging.

that's how people are now remembering andy rooney. cbs news commentator has died weeks after making his last regular appearance on 60 memberships. he considered himself an average guy. his colleague leslie staal called his our put orrat. >> the interesting thing about andy is he pretended to be this occur messageon, but he really wasn't. i was right next kitty cornered to him on the seventh floor at cbs. he was the nicest, sweetest guy you could ever peek out to imagine. >> the person you saw on television was the real person. nothing that andy ever did was an act. he absolutely -- as you know, never tempered his thoughts.

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we're talking about 300,000 people now without power, still without power. connecticut light & power promise 99% of their customers will have power by tomorrow night. that's a big promise. you recall the power was knocked out by that pre-halloween snowstorm. >> reporter: connecticut with the national guard is trying to help the utility company here to clear the roads and clear a path so that utility crews can do their jobs easier and try to restore power throughout the state. take a look at some of the destruction here. this is an example. you see the power line. you've got a tree leaning on

that. utility crews are here trying to cut it free so that they can try to make repairs. now, the utility company here in connecticut is promising to get 99% of the customers back online by sunday night. some people, including the mayor of west hartford, connecticut, are skeptical. >> i hope to god i'm wrong. i hope to it's 99% by sunday night. we want to get people out of the shelters, get kids back in school, we want to get life back to normal. this has been perhaps a case snudy in absolutely how not to manage in a crisis. we don't need more press messages. we need boots on the ground. >> power company says the storm was far more devastating than expected and they're moving as quickly as they can. >> do you have enough people to get the job done as quickly as you like? >> at this level, we think we've got the resources we need to meet our goal, which is to have 99% of the state energized by

sunday at midnight. >> how realistic is that? >> we believe it's a challenging goal and we -- but we're going for it. >> with the help of about 2,000 crews from 22 states, even vancouv vancouver, canada, can connecticut light & power make that goal, restoring power to 99% of its customers by sunday night? we'll see. t.j., back to you. >> is that by tomorrow night, reynolds? >> that's a big promise. i'm sure they would love to hear that, but are they going to be able to deliver? >> tall order. to be honest, they had two big things that happened. we had hurricane irene, the snowstorm, it's not as though they're slacking. they've had a lot, really, up against them. it's been tough. >> another thing important, what are you going to do with your extra hour this evening? people need to remember this. you've got an extra hour daylight saving time. >> i'm going to say use it next week and into the weekend after. >> folks, before you go to bed

tonight, you need to fall back. set it back and get that extra hour. use it however you want, the extra hour on to sleep, extra hour to stay up and watch some football this evening. >> what game would you be referring to? >> it's kind of a slow weekend. >> not a lot happening. >> not a lot of good matchups. no, everybody knows. lsu/alabama, big game today. arkansas and south carolina, i didn't forget about you folks. lsu versus alabama, number one versus number two. first time in the mighty s.e.c., the first time we've seen a regular season matchup of a number one and number two. didn't know that. ticket prices right now, online, will cost you anywhere from $700 to $6,000 and they are worth every penny, folks. tomorrow, rel reynolds, i'm telling you, this game will live up to the building. >> who are you pulling for? >> frankly, there's a scenario where this alabama loses this

game and loses another game, we beat lsu, arkansas beats lsu, we're on the path to the national championship. that's the kind of hopes i have. >> that's huge. >> that's huge. >> if you were to ask me who i'm going to pull for, i'm an auburn tiger, so for me to make a choice, it's almost like choosing between scabies and -- you don't want to pull for either one of these. i've got friends on both sides. but you're right, it's going to be a big matchup. >> weather is not going to be a problem, right? >> for alabama and lsu, it should be okay. kickoff is going to be at 8:00 p.m. wind is east at 5 miles per hour. both these team are so incredibly talented, weather, you want perfect weather. it looks like it's going to hold up just fine for this game. however, there are a lot of other interesting matchups where the conditions might not be so great. when you go to arkansas, on the face of it, it is arkansas

number seven against south carolina. t.j., a razorback is very interested in this game. looks pretty good. that wind is going to play a huge facts factor. let's make our way more to the west. stanford and oregon state. stanford, undefeated so far, playing tonight in the rain in corvallis. that could be interesting, as well. we're going to go to norm y'allan, oklahoma. check this out. temperatures, 635 degrees. imagine this game going late into the fourth quarter. a field goal kicker having to make a long field goal with gusts going to possibly 35, maybe even 40. that could be tough. very interesting forecast. we'll right back over to you, t.j. if you're a football fan, certainly a lot of games to watch. early games, michigan, we didn't get a chance to talk about michigan and michigan. iowa is playing today, autos a good matchup. that looks pretty good. >> nice tie.

>> kind of cute one, but not bad. fall is the most wonderful time of the year. we get an extra hour tonight. >> thank you. >> we're going to get fredericka on this in just a moment. too much football talk, too much guy talk. fredericka witfield will join me live next. endless shrimp is our most popular promotion at red lobster. there's so many choices... the guests love it! [ male announcer ] it's endless shrimp today at red lobster. as much as you like any way you like, all for $15.99. offer ends soon. my name is angela trapp, and i sea food differently.

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quarter to the top of the hour now. and the debate over corporal punishment re-ignited in a major way this week after that video showed a father striking his 16-year-old daughter repeatedly with a belt. people were even more outraged when they found out the man was a family court judge who oversees abuse cases. sheer a bit of the reminder of the video we're talking about now. >> bend over that bed. >> dad. bend over that bed. bend over the bed. >> ow. yeah. this texas court judge there, william adams, since this video was released, thousands of people have campaigned through

social media sites to have him removed from the bench. they say the father koes crossed the line from discipline to child abuse. the judge, though, says he was punishing his daughter who stole games and music through download sites. >> i did lose my temporary weet i've since apologized. >> his daughter, hillary, is the one who taped that video and put it online. i only showed you a few seconds a minute ago. the whole thing goes seven minutes and it's more of the same the whole time. the daughter, hillary, spoke to our anderson cooper. >> i think he's in serious denial. i told him it hurt to walk the next day and his response was one word. he said, good. >> despite the outrage, judge adams is not going to face prosecution, even though a lot of people agree, those legal experts, that, yes, this is clearly abuse. but won't be prosecuted. why? because the video is from 2004.

texas has a five-year statute of limitations relate to go a charge of injuring the child. the county d.a. says there will be no indict from the video. not going to happen. anderson asked hillary why she waited seven years to release the individual crow. >> it wasn't any carefully planned orchestration or anything like that. and i didn't really mean for anything huge to come of it. i just wanted to put it out there for my dad to see it and maybe a few other people, to maybe help us reconcile and see that this was wrong. >> now, the judge, her father, released a statement through his attorney. in it, he says hesitate is daughter released this tape, why? revenge. he was going to stop giving her money because she was about to drop out of college. the statement reads in part, quote, hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support and took way her mercedess automobile, he would live to regret it. the post was then uploaded.

when does this type of punishment cross the line? we've been taking your comments. we continue to keep that conversation going and i'll continue my conversation now with fredericka witfield. always good to see you. we're coming in on this note. will your legal guys take this one up? >> they will. while you talk about the statute of limitations has run out, there's not going to be any type of prosecution, there are some potential ramify cages because of his job as a family court judge. there are legal guys and richard will be along to talk about that. might it involve the bar association which might re-evaluate his position? might there be a recusal in the future of any cases? that he may be involved in because the issue of corporal punishment will come about? isn't that interesting? >> and can he sit in judgment of me? >> absolutely. and there might be potential

review of cases that he was overseeing before because of this now videotape. might there have been some bias? so our legal guys are going to delve into all that. >> anything else with the legal guys? >> of course. we're going to talk about the conrad murray case, the deliberations. >> any relationships, though. >> we're going to talk about justin bieber. we're stuff? >> justin bieber. we're going to talk about why it's not just an issue of paternity but apparently statutory rape investigation that might be looked at very closely. >> is that -- is there any chance? he's denying it, isn't he? kind of sort of. >> kind of sort of. of course he's tweeted and said i'm going to concentrate on the music. he's been asked about it point blank in various television interviews. some read something into the

facial expressions he made and verbally he said no. >> everybody knows what we're talking about, right? >> his case is someone said he fathered a child. his camp is disputing it. he was 16 at the time. she was 19 at the time of this encounter. that's where the statutory rape allegation comes in as well. we'll delve into all of that we have a lot to keep our legal guys going. you talked earlier how many people are encouraged to switch banks. >> today. >> we're going to talk about bank fees because that's an impetus for why people are upset with their banks. our financial fix segment will be dealing with that. then of course everyone is mourning the loss of andy rouen y what an-- rooney. you've talked to morely safer.

he didn't like being recognized. he was shy about that. >> everyone told me this morning, what a way to go. he worked um he retired. >> almost to his dying day. he did it his way. >> fredricka, always good to see you. if anybody has kmepcomments, yo know where to find her @fwhitfield. >> i'm terrible at it. >> it's hard to get her to anchor the show she tweets so much. critics out there are they correct in saying photo id requirements are a way for republicans to suppress the minority vote? we'll discuss that after the break. stay with us.

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made it to the top of the hour. this louisiana guy has a reason to be excited. he needs to thank a local cashier for screwing up.

she made a mistake on his lottery ticket. but that mistake got him 800 grand. the guy thinks he once $200,000 with this powerball ticket. the cashier put him in for the power play, which means more money, so he gets a million instead of the $200,000. thank you for doing the job wrong. let's turn to oklahoma where a man has taken his love -- route 66, he loves it now. he loves it so much he's got iconic sides from the road tattooed all over his body. >> no, i hadn't seen that. >> ron jones is his name. how many tattoos do you have, fredricka, four or five? >> sorry, i'm all choked up. >> he's got 103 so far and still counting. he might get 104 if he can find any more skin on his body. >> i like the mater tattoo. go ahead. you've got other things. i got too involved there. let me find my place.

>> those are lsu fans. they have a reason to dance. they have the number one team in the country. these folks, six costumed fans were picked out of the crowd at a game. they had a dance-off to try to win tickets to the big game. number one versus number two alabama, if you haven't heard yet. the winner, lego les. it took three weeks to build his costume but got two tickets. we've been talking about this, it's controversial, a number of states have required voters to show an id before they vote. it has been passed by legislators which caused critics to say this is an effort to suppress the minority vote. >> i'm reminded of where we were back in the '40s and '50s trying to get the right to vote, when boards of registrar would tell lies when they are going to

register to vote. they are doing the same thing on a mondre sophisticated letter. >> a map, voter id laws on the books in 14 states, some go into effect, have strict ideas, other states considering similar legislation. this could affect millions on millions of voters. this morning talked to a civil rights attorney. she told me voter fraud is not a big concern across the country. >> this is actually the most wide scale rollback of voting rights we have seen in over a century in this country. they are requiring one type of itch d. in fact, there's an estimated 21 million americans that don't have state-issued photo id. they say this is about voter fraud. you are more likely to be struck by lightning than find a case of

voter fraud. voting is a right. this isn't like getting on a plane or buying sudafed, which is a privilege you have if you have money. we're talking about undermining democracy, cutting off participation. voting should be something simple because it is the most fundamental part of our democracy. in fact, by federal law, you can go in to vote by using multiple forms of id. what's wrong with utility bill, work id. there are many other kinds of id and it shouldn't be boiled down to this one restrictive id. >> i also talked to a representative of the heritage foundation, talking about this same topic. they believe voter id laws are important to put in place. i asked him where did he see voter fraud taking place across the country that justifies states changing laws. >> i can't give you an inventory here today. i've written about a lot of case studies on various kinds of voter fraud.