>> i almost can't listen to what he's saying because of courtney's contortions. dr. drew, if i may call you drew, if you have courtney on again, can you please, please in the name of all that is holy, do some kind of test on her face to find out what that is all about? in any case, dr. drew, thank you for the memories and for fighting the good fight on the ridiculist. that's it for us. we'll see you at 10:00 p.m. tonight. "piers morgan" starts right now. tonight, he said, she said. >> i have never acted inappropriately with anyone, period. >> i know what happened. and he knows what happened. >> herman cain responds to what sharon bialek told me. will the sexual harassment allegations derail the campaign? plus cain's republican rival.

>> people have to conclude that he has leveled and told the country the truth. >> the resurgent newt gingrich on the republican party. >> modern republicans are too timid. modern republicans are afraid to go nose-to-nose with obama. >> and on the president himself. >> i think that barack obama is somebody who sincerely believes things that are totally nuts. >> could newt gingrich be the next best hope for the gop? >> i'm an idealist, a romantic and a permanent optimist. that's the american tradition. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. we'll get to my surprisingly intense and revealing interview with newt gingrich later in the hour, but first new details on the sexual misconduct accusations against herman cain. the first woman to accuse cain has now been revealed. she's karen kraushaar. i'll talk to her lawyer in a moment. you heard what sharon bialek told me about cain last night. >> i believe that he first needs

to apologize and he needs to admit it. then it's up to him to decide what to do next. >> a little while ago herman cain held a news conference. listen to what he had to say. >> hthese accusations that were revealed yesterday are simply did not happen. >> joel bennett representing karen kraushaar, the first woman to come forward and accuse cain of sexual harassment. he joins me from his home in maryland. mr. bennett, let's get to the bottom of this because your client has now come out in public. why? >> she's come out in public because her name was revealed by the media, and she's decided, since her name is in the media now, that she wants to get the details of her complaint out since mr. cain is still denying any sexual harassment or impropriety. >> herman cain says about your

client that the only thing he can recall in terms of any complaint made was telling her that he was the same -- that she was the same size as his wife. is that accurate? is that the full extent of the alleged harassment? >> it certainly is not. my client is a very intelligent, well educated woman. she would never file a complaint about an innocent remark like that. my client is 5'2". she's not the same height as mr. cain's wife. and the incidents that were reported to the national restaurant association were multiple, over multiple days. >> i suppose the obvious question -- and i put this to sharon bialek last night, another accuser -- is that given the passage of time, being over a decade, how is anyone going to prove anything? >> it's not a question of proof. the question is did mr. cain know about these incidents and

what, if anything, did he do about them. my client submitted a written, detailed complaint to the national restaurant association, and she is a very credible person, and we expect as soon as possible for her to get into more detail in a press conference or other public forum, then the public can decide who's telling the truth. >> absolutely right. but what surprises me is herman cain isn't a complete nobody. he has run for various high office positions before. and none of the women involved in this splurge of story this week has ever come forward before. why is that? >> my client settled this matter confidentially in 1999. she had no desire to make it public. a former board member of the national restaurant association leaked the information about these two complaints to politico

over a week ago, and once that happened and mr. cain started denying everything and calling them baseless fabrications, my client felt she had to come forward and defend herself. she had no desire to become a public figure. >> can you confirm that your client was paid $45,000 to settle her complaint at the time? >> the amount of the settlement is confident shalial and i won' into the details of it but there was a monetary settlement. >> i'm going to bring in cnn's gloria borger who has spoken to your client, karen kraushaar. let me talk to you, gloria. what was the conversation that you had like? >> well, i think this is a woman, as joel bennett has said, who really didn't want to make this public. she said to me, i was sick of this 12 years ago. but now it's no longer a private matter, it's a personally embarrassing matter. she is clearly somebody who

wants to set the record straight. and she made it clear to me that she has kept copies of all of her allegations and she doesn't need to go to the national restaurant association for permission to release them now that her confidentiality has been waived. so i believe we could potentially see the release of these documents with names redacted if she wishes at some point in the near future. she spoke about getting the women together who have some claims. she said there's safety in numbers and maybe we can figure out what we can do together. she would not comment on mr. cain's press conference today, but she did say that if we get the women together, she has no doubt that he will deny everything. she said, quote, he's a serial denier. he will deny it if it's 4 women or 40 women. >> let's bring in gloria allred now who is the lawyer for sharon bialek, who i interviewed

yesterday. gloria, another woman has come public. she seems very credible and is making pretty detailed allegations by the sound of it. does this all ring true and familiar to you? >> well, you know, i was hoping that, you know, that sharon, my client who has been very, very brave and very, very courageous would inspire other to speak out if they felt comfortable in doing so. and i hope that all the women will do so because i think that will be important so that the public can make an informed decision about mr. cain. as i said, if all of these allegations by all of these women are true, then he's not only a serial harasser, he's a serial liar and he's a serial violator of the rights and the dignity of women. and this cannot be tolerated in the highest office of the land or, for that matter, in any place of employment. women are entitled to be free of sexual harassment. and this is just outrageous. so i hope these women do come forward. i would recommend to my client

that she do a joint news conference with them if they are willing to do so. >> but gloria, let me just play you what herman cain said about your client because it was pretty vociferous and pretty unequivoc unequivocal. >> i saw ms. allred and her client yesterday in that news conference for the very first time. as i sat in my hotel room with a couple of my staff members, as they got to the microphone, my first response in my mind and reaction was i don't even know who this woman is. >> gloria allred, i mean, he said he doesn't even know who this woman is. what did you make of that when you saw him say that? >> well, he seemed to shift from he couldn't recall, he doesn't know, and then, you know, kind of dancing all over the place.

you know, he met -- according to my client, not only her but her boyfriend as well. why would she have told two friends including her boyfriend, a pediatrician, that cain sexually harassed her some 14 years ago if she did not believe that it was true? you know, i just think -- i think it's time for mr. cain to go under oath. i'd like to see the senate hold hearings on whether sexual harassment laws need to be strengthened and have them subpoena herman cain and testify under oath to each and every one of the specific allegations that he's women have made against him and what he knew and when he knew it and what he did and what he didn't do. he should testify under penalty of perjury and let the american people hear all the specifics, not just a blanket denial. >> let me go back to joel bennett there. would you like to see that, mr. cain have to testify under oath now? do you think it's that serious? >> as a presidential candidate,

i don't know that there's any forum for doing that, unlike the clarence thomas confirmation hearings, but i was happy to say i hear ms. allred say she'd like to get a giant statement and eye like to work with her on that. >> amy, you've heard the various lawyers here. you've also seen now two of the women who have come forward of the four who made allegations. what is your overview of all this? can herman cain survive? >> well, i certainly can't speak to the credibility of his accusers and what happened 14 years ago, but we can look at the polls and reuterses has hasl out after sharon bialek's statement yesterday and he's now behind mitt romney. falling nine points since last

week. and 39% in this reuters poll said they believed those allegations yesterday. clearly the cain campaign feelses that this is hurting his efforts because they had that press conference today to try to address these claims. whether or not they were able to close the door on them, i'm highly doubtful. i think he opened a new can of worms particularly when he said that he'd be willing to take a lie detector test. you were speaking with gloria allred and she demanded that he go up to capitol hill to testify under oath. i don't think that's going to happen, but herman cain has invited more of these questions and inquiry. >> let me bring back gloria borger then. politically, where is herman cain now? his poll ratings are sudden sliding. he looks in big trouble. >> he is in big trouble. i don't think the press conference today put the questions to rest. what you're starting to see now is other republican candidates like mitt romney out there saying that the charges are

troubling. and i think that there's a clear sense among republican voters that he hasn't answered all the questions. there are reports from the cain campaign that they've raised a lot of money tonight. i don't know the exact figure. since his press conference, which leads me to believe that the true believers who support herman cain may continue to support herman cain. but it gets more and more difficult not only because of the women coming out on the record but because he's changed his story so many times. first he blamed this on a leak from the perry campaign, then he blamed it on the media, then he blamed it on a democratic conspiracy against him, and so those kind of shifting blame also i think causes him a lot of problems with his own credibility. >> if it is the end of cain, who does this benefit most? i interviewed a very upbeat newt gingrich, which we'll be seeing later in the show. he clearly feels there's an

opportunity. i would bet jon huntsman is thinking the same thing. could this open up doors for these other candidates? >> among conservative voters i've talked to, particularly in iowa, the real problem with herman cain is he's shifting his position on abortion, as you know very well, since it was your interview. so i think that he's losing credibility in a lot of areas. i think newt gingrich may appeal to those voters, rick perry may appeal to those voters. mitt romney still has problems with evangelical voterses. michele bachmann would like to get some of those voters, but i think they have other problem with herman cain aside from the sexual harassment charges. >> yeah, let's go back to joel bennett for the last word here. would you bring your client on with other women who made accusations, maybe sharon bialek or others if they come forward on to this show and discuss this live?

>> the first step will be the joint press conference. after that we'll certainly consider what else to do. >> joel bennett and gloria borger and to amy holmes. thank you very much. today's election day. tom foreman joins us with an update on some significant votes around the country. >> all eyes on battleground ohio tonight. earlier this year the governor signed a bill into law to limit the collective bargaining power of union employees. the voters seem to be crushing that by the governor, calling for a repeal, the union's mobilized strongly there. importantly, many of these votes to overturn this restriction on collective bargaining, many of these votes are coming in areas that aren't really strong union areas. that's encouraging to the union folks, probably encouraging to democrats. we'll see how it shakes down.

in mississippi, this question of defining a person. is it a person the moment an egg fertilizes -- is fertilized? that's the question down there. would that restrict abortion rights? we have very little there, less than 1%. but that small percentage says we don't like it being that restrictive on that measure. a couple of other things over in kentucky, we have a projected win are in the governor's race there. steve beshear seems to have wrapped that up pretty easily. obviously, everything, everything, everything, piers, is about the presidential race next year. so everyone's reading the tea leaves on all these votes. >> tom, thanks very much indeed. when we come back, i go one on one with one of the gop's comeback kids, a resurgent and fascinating newt gingrich.

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joining me now is a man who wants to be your next president. former house speaker newt gingrich. he's the author of the novel "battle of the crater." good to finally sit down with you. you've been described as one of the great abba fans of the

world. we heard your cell phone ring tone go off a few months ago with "dancing queen" bellowing to the world. this has led to a whole lot of speculation about the abba factor of newt gingrich. are you aware of it? >> i was not aware of it. i welcome all abba fans. >> rather like abba, you're a guilty pleasure. they don't want to admit liking you, but every time you speak at the moment, they burst into applause and feel like dancing. >> well, if i can do as well as "mamma mia" did, i would feel very happy with the outcome. >> to be serious, you are very suddenly coming up the rail. it's been a long summer and we're heading into the long fall and into the winter. and people are beginning to talk about you now in a much more serious way than they were a few months ago. what do you put that down to? >> first of all, i tell people that the tortoise is the motto of our campaign. we're trying to go one foot at a

time. well, then the fable story the bunny rabbit runs by and falls asleep and the tortoise just keeps coming. hopefully mitt romney will be the bunny rabbit and i'll be the tortoise and it will work out perfectly. >> there have been five front-runners so far in the gop race, most of whom have fallen by the wayside. mitt romney appears to have plateaued around the 24% mark as he has done before, indicating that with the main body of gop support, he has limitations with that vote. and he may have reached them. this is leading people to think, okay, we need an alternative. who is it going to be? your friend herman cain -- and we'll come to him in a moment -- has got problems which could be the depth charge to his campaign. rick perry because of the debates where you've done much better than him, appears to be in a bit of free fall. people are thinking, okay, well, who else? and the obvious person to many people's minds now is newt gingrich. >> well, i think what i've tried to do is very much like reagan

in that i had laid out a set of ideas. i've now written 24 books. i've had a long public career. i tried to develop a series of things like a personal social security count for young people, a very aggressive lower taxes and less regulation approach to creates jobs, a strong american energy plan. it is not about which of these guys do you like, it is who do you think can get the country back creating jobs, creating a better future, fixing the housing crisis, giving our young people a chance to live a life of freedom and opportunity. >> when i watch the debates, i always think as a dispassionate observer who can't vote for any of you, so i don't have a horse in this race, i look at all of you and i think, newt gingrich, smart guy. you're known as the professor. probably the smartest guy in the room and certainly an excellent debater, which is a skill that will be needed against barack obama come the real election battle. why is it that you haven't until now got more support, do you

think? what is it about you that to date hasn't really electrified the republicans? >> there are two things. one is that i entered this race with a huge amount of background story, some public, some private, which led people initially to think, well, i'm not sure i want him. and part of what the debates have done is they've been able to see me without editing. and therefore they've been able to say, gee, that's not the guy i thought he was. they had to take a second look at me before i had a chance. the debates began to do that. the second reason was i made a mistake in the spring. i brought in very smart traditional consultants and i'm not a traditional candidate. i run a very, very ideal oriented campaign. think of it as a long form where most consultants want to do 30 second attack ads, i want to do 30-minute speeches. we got off track for four months. even today we're still about eight or nine weeks behind where

i had hoped to be at this point. >> the infamous holiday you took, which led to most of your staff quitting. do you regret that? hindsight? >> that's exactly -- it was the perfect thing to do, for two reasons. first of all, those people needed to leave. they had a vision of a traditional campaign, which i couldn't possibly run. i had a vision of a very different ideal oriented, solution oriented solution based on the internet which they couldn't run. i'd love for you to run my campaign. i can't be the candidate for your campaign. there's a second reason, though. and this is where i got, frankly, a little bit of exhausted about this sort of gossip approach. being in greece in june was very helpful. >> why? >> because we talked to people who were explaining the greek view of the world. and you realize, this is going to be a real mess. i mean, you have deep resentment of the germans who, from the

greek standpoint, occupied the country in world war ii, stole all of their gold, and if they repaid it at compounded would be about the amount that the greek owe the germans. >> is this part of a cunning plan to preguess the economic crisis? >> no, what i'm going to tell you is having leader that actually take time off to go learn something -- >> today the "usa today"/gallup poll has mitt romney and herman cain tied at 21%, you were the third most preferred candidate at 12%. let's start with herman cain. he's getting engulfed at the moment in the firestorm of scandal? >> sure. >> how credible is this scandal for him? how should he be dealing with it? what's your advice? >> i think we'll know in a few weebs. clearly herman has to answer the allegations and he has to answer them convincingly and compellingly. people have to conclude that whatever answer he gives -- and

i'm not trying to prejudge it -- that he has leveled and told the country the truth. now, if that happens, two or three weebs from now he can still be the front-runner. >> you've known him for 16 years. >> i don't want to prejudge. he has to deal with the allegations. i don't. i like herman cain a lot. i think he's had enormous courage. he's clearly had a much better run than he thought he would. he's the front-runner in some polls or tied to be the front-runner in other polls. that's pretty amazing achie achievement for someone who hadn't run for president before. >> although he's a friend of yours and political ally -- >> you're more fascinated by this than i am. >> i am. >> i'm not. >> he's the front-runner. he sold pizzas. the nonpolitician, yet he's being sucked into the political system of whack, whack, whack. >> because the american news

media is devoted to gossip and obstruction. let me give you an example totally different than herman cain. some graduate student some day will do about. you go back and take the total volume of time give on the anthony weiner's utterly stupid tweets. then you say to yourself, we could is spent that time talking about alzheimer's, spent it talking about energy, why our space program is totally messed up. there are dozens of serious, substantive topics none of which could compete in the american news media with a congressman who was utterly idiotic. >> as someone who has been through a few scrapes yourself of a personal nature, does your bitterness to the media -- >> it's not bitterness. >> it is, a bit. >> it's a fact. >> you were whacked more than a political candidate. do you think that's a vote getter whacking the media? >> i think somebody who stands up and said a great deal of what

the media does makes it harder for us to gover ourselves. >> let's take a break and talk about mitt romney. he's the steady eddie of the race. how will you blow him out of the water? >> i don't know that that's what i'm going to do. [ male announcer ] what if we told you that cadillac borrowed technology from ferrari to develop its suspension system? or what if we told you that ferrari borrowed technology from cadillac to develop its suspension system? magnetic ride control -- pioneered by cadillac, perfected in the 556-horsepower cts-v. we don't just make luxury cars. we make cadillacs.

the two big differences between this contract in 1994. the first is the scale of change i am suggesting is so enormous that i couldn't possibly as a single leader show you everything i'm going to do. so this is the beginning of a conversation. >> newt gingrich on the campaign trail in iowa in september. talk about mitt romney. he is, as i said before, he's the steady eddie. very consistent.

yet hasn't really made the leap into out and out front-runner. why hasn't he? and how are you going to beat him? because we're now at the stage where that's what you're going to have to do. >> no, i think what i have to do is find a way to get a majority of the republican voters including in states like new hampshire independents who are allowed to vote republican to vote for me. if i can get majority of republican voters as a by-product of that, mitt romney will lose. but my goal is not to go out and figure out how to beat mitt romney. my goal is to find a way to talk to every american who cares about alzheimer's, mental health, autism, bring them together in a positive way talking about a brain science solution that's really different from normal politics. >> but that i totally agree is very important, but the reality of politics -- >> no. >> -- is that you're probably going to be, whether or not you like it or not, is the anti-mitt candidate thncht is what i find fascinating. i've been involved with politics

since 1958, i helped grow the republican party of georgia and you're explaining to me the reality of politics. if you have a good enough leader who is positive enough, they can ignore the other candidates. they can create a positive majority around a positive set of solutions. and let the other candidate worry about me. >> but actually, look, don't mean to teach you -- you've been involved in politics as long as i've been alive. i wouldn't be so impertinent. >> however, you will be impertinent. you're the host. go ahead. >> no, but rather provocative. you're a smart cookie and you realize that you're in a race here. and in a race, yes, you can be positive, positive, positive, but you're also going to have to offer a differential to other candidates. >> no, you don't. >> so you won't be doing that? >> first of all, i think i am a differential to the other candidates.

>> how do you differ to mitt romney. >> no other candidate is talking taking on the judicial brain, brain science and how you would modernize the federal government decisively, no other candidate is talking about -- in all fairness herman cain is, we are the only two talking about a personal social security account for young people modeled on chile and galveston, texas. my goal is to say to the american people, look at what i'm doing. if this is what you think we need in order to fix america, come with me. i never ask people to be for me. stand with me, and let's get this done. if i get 50% of the people to do that, then mitt romney will have a problem. how will he beat newt gingrich? >> is he a conservative in the true sense? >> much more conservative than barack obama. >> but not as conservative as you. >> i'm not just conservative. i'm different. i talk about things most people don't talk about because again

i've spent 53 year looking at what america needs. i believe we need profound change. i think we need to implement the tenth amendment in a serious way. and very dramatically reshape our approach to the judicial branch. that makes me in some ways conservative, but i suspect that also means that i'm probably the most change oriented conservative certainly since ronald reagan. >> how important are social issues for the conservatives, the candidates, abortion, for example, has got herman cain into big problems where he apparently seemed to be pro life and pro choice in an interview i did with him. i was surprised by his response. he seemed very naive to try to adopt both positions and clearly got him into trouble with the conservative base. gay marriage and stuff like this as getting a lot of traction now. five states now supporting it. can the traditional hardline conservative values still be successful, do you think? >> majority of americans now believe in the right to life. and gallup has said that has

grown steadily ever since the supreme court fundamentally misinterpreted the constitution in a decision that's intelle intellectually incomprehensible. what you see happen is the country is ask itself a very profound question, when does life begin? if we're endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, when do those occur? >> are you anti-abortion under any circumstances? >> i think there are exceptions for life of the mother and rape and incest. but i would be deeply committed to right to life. i would take the money we currently give planned parenthood for abortions and i would turn that into money for adoptions and try to make it easier for young women who end up being pregnant to carry the child to term. >> let's take a break and come back and talk about the tea party, how you differ from them, maybe how much you feel an affinity to them. how you would beat barack obama if you're the guy the republican party chooses. hey, everyone'ss outside bill's office.

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newt, newt, newt, newt! >> i'm newt gingrich. >> i, newt gingrich. >> do solemnly promise to continue to be a good speaker. i promise that my book will be way less boring than al gore's book.

>> for republican committee roast in 1995, newt gingrich is back about me now. you have a sense of humor about yourself. >> you have to or else you'd go crazy. >> you have thick skin as well. you seem like the classic washington bruiser, able to deal with all the slings and arrows that get chucked at you. >> this is a free society. i'm allowed to have an opinion. other people are allowed to have an opinion. i relax and try to live it up. >> the key thing of the next election is going to almost certainly be not just the economy but jobs in particular. how to get americans back to work. that will be the battleground. where do you think you have the answers that barack obama doesn't have? and also, where do you think you differ, if you do, from the tea party and their aspirations in that area? >> well, first of all, i think with obama, he's the best, most effective food stamp president in history. more people are on food stamps thanks to his policies than any

other time. i'd like to be the best paycheck president. the contrast is dramatic. >> with any of these things with a $13 trillion debt to deal with, if you're being fair about this. it's a lot harder with an intransigent republican party trying to stifle your every move chrk is what barack obama's had to put up with. >> wait a second. first of all, bill clinton was president. so you had a republican speaker who had to figure out how to work with the libberal democratc president and everything we did, we did together. we reformed welfare together. we balanced the budget for four straight years together. and we shut down the government twice. >> do you regret that? >> no, it was the right thing to do. >> it ultimately led to me losing my job. >> it had nothing to do with me losing my job. i resigned. in 1995, we shut down the government twice. we communicated seriousness about getting to a balanced budget. we were the first re-elected majority since 1928. always amazes me, the elite

media says that was painful for republican. we're the first re-elected majority since 1928 and not a single reporter wrote about how did we do it. it's never been covered as a serious story. yet that happened after the shutdown. >> do you think you don't get the credit you deserve? >> i don't worry about it. >> i think you do, when you hear you talk that passionately about no one understands what we do. >> i worry about it because the lessons people learn. i don't worry about it for newt gingrich. because modern republicans are too timid, they're afraid to go nose to nose with obama. the fact is the country valued seriousness and the country said, wow, these guys actually want to balance the budget. so no republicans had been elected for more than two years since 1928. we were elected for 12 straight years as a majority. now, that's an interesting story. it's a very profound change in american government. second, clinton and i together

balanced the budget for four straight years. so when you say to me, gee, we had these big deficits. sure. nobody thought you could balance the budget when i was elected speaker. unemployment came down from 5.6% to 2.4%. we paid off $5 billion in debt. >> what would be your simple remedy to get america back to work? >> repeal the dodd/frank bill immediately, repeal sarbanes objectionly, repeal obama care. eliminate the capital gains tax. have 100% expensing for all new equipment for factory, farms and new businesses. abolish the death tax. create a flat tax for those that wouldn't it. develop american energy, open up american lands in places like alaska. we own 1 1/2 texases, the american people own 69% of alaska. that's 1 1/2 times the size of texas. give the environmentalists half of texas, open up the other 250,000 square mile. there are tons of things you can

do to get this country moving again. >> how frustrated do you feel as an american, as you say, you've been in politics for 53 years, incredible career, when you look at what's happened to america and particularly the emerging superpowers, china, india, it's sort of stealing a march in termses of business, commerce and so on. do you despair for what's going on? this is not just about barack obama, this is about george bush and everything else. what has happened to america? >> i think that we got off on several wrong tracks. first of all, i've had a wonderful life. i mean, to be an army brat born in pennsylvania, growing up around the world while my dad served the country, to be able with no great personal money as a yankee-born republican to win a seat in georgia, to be allow to serve my country, to be speaker of the house for four years. i've had a wonderful life. "new york times" best selling books, "land of liberty," i have a new novel. it's fun. >> are you an incurable

romantic? >> i'm an idealist and romantic and permanent optimist. that's the american tradition. >> hold that thought. i want to come back and talk to you about what kind of president you would be if you get the chance.

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>> piers: back with my special guest, newt gingrich. if you became president of the united states right now, how would you -- we talked about euro man theic notion really, of what being an american should be really all about. what would be the first things you would do to restore american pride? >> well, let me say, first of all, i think the recovery will begin late on election night, because i think as people realize that obama's gone and the democrats have lost the senate, you will see investment

decisions, hiring decisions, all sorts of things starting to shift literally that night. somebody said to me that the press conference the next morning ought to have a big sign behind me that says america's open for business again and i think that's part of t say up front, look, i want to create jobs, i want to focus on getting people off of food stamps, took having paychecks. >> there areal polls coming out now, statistical-backed polls, for example, countries like south korea, the students now earn 20% more a year than the average american student and seeing huge leaps forward in the area of education wery is america falling so far behind in education and science and so on? what do you do about it? what would you do about it? >> i think two answers why we have fallen behind, the first is cultural. we don't require to our students to study, we don't expect really good, hard work to get grades we don't focus on math and science and learning things that involve facts. we went into this period of

psychobabble, where we wanted you to have self-esteem, even if you couldn't read. . >> piers: i couldn't agree more. nonsense, half that stuff. >> and the second is bureaucratic. the teachers union, go to los angeles unified, the teachers union is dedicated to the protection of the most incompetent person at the expense of the children whose lives they are ruining an the teachers unions are enormously power. >> piers: what have been your biggest regrets to date and what have you learned about yourself from things that haven't gone the right way? >> i think there were names my life when i was too lonely and when i would have been much better off to have sat down with very close friends and opened up and talked through that phase of my life and tried to do things. i think there were times i tried to carry too much on my own shoulders and i couldn't. i mean, i think in the end, that i had to go to god to ask for forgiveness and to ask for reconciliation. you know, i would not advise others to necessarily lead the parts of my life that i've led.

i think also we came really close in the '80s with pope john paul ii and president reagan and prime minister thatcher, we came very close to breaking out and really expanding freedom. and for some deep reasons, we failed. be it on -- what they achieved was historic and extraordinary. the elimination of the soviet empire, the expansion of freedom in eastern europe, that was a remarkable period. >> piers: you say you have this had this extraordinary life what has been the single greatest moment of your life excluding marriage, children, whatever, nothing like that built moment, if you could relieve it again before you die? what would it be? i'm not, by the way, i'm not assuming this is going you have to do for a while? >> i'm thinking, i don't think the way you asked that question that i can give you a very good answer. >> piers: what instinctively comes to mind, the great moment of your life? >> i think probably one of my

greatest moments of my life was going to africa and seeing animals. look, if i weren't so concerned about the future of this country, i would have spent my life as either a paleontologist or a zoo director. >> piers: would you really? >> you say to me about really great moments of happiness it is hanging out at zoos. >> piers: come on -- >> being with jack honor. >> piers: you were in africa, what was the moment? what was the animal spot or whatever it was? >> oh, i think it was probably being on the serengeti plain. i mean, there taking pictures like crazy and you are in a -- in the range rover and they tell you to stay in. and you're 15 feet away from three lions, you're watching two cheetahs who have just finished eating an antelope and sitting up on this rock, you know, sunning themselves. you look around and you think, wow, this is -- this is so extraordinary a thing to be allowed -- >> piers: a year from now, you

extend the metaphor, seeing antelope, barack obama, cheetah, newt gingrich? >> no, no, no. i think of barack obama as somebody who sincerely believes things that are totally nuts. and i think of him who somebody when the country has a choice in seven debate to us watch two of us in the lincoln/douglas style at the end of the seven debates go, he is a nice guy, he meant well, he doesn't have a clue what's doing, we need to replace him with somebody who actually has the experience to get the job done. >> piers: newt gingrich it has been a pleasure. >> good to see you. a facing soe tough challenges right now. two of the most important are energy security and economic growth. north america actually has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. a large part of that is oil sands. this resource has the ability to create hundreds of thousands of jobs. at our kearl project in canada, we'll be able to produce these oil sands with the same emissions as many other oils and that's a huge breakthrough. that's good for our country's energy security

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>> piers: back to our top story, herman cain's dramatic press conference today where he forcefully denied doing anything inappropriate to any woman, again and again didn't note woman who brought accusations to this show last night answered said he didn't do anything wrong either with karen craw saw when she worked for him for the national restaurant association in the '90s. cain said he would be willing to go the whole limit by taking a lie detector test. >> of course i would be willing to do a lie detectors test. co