both of those things. those are things where conservative principles come from. so -- >> he made his money from laying people off. may not have laid you off. >> he laid off hundreds of people. >> i am going to call a timeout. maybe we'll continue it after. there's a woman waiting to have her program start. erin burnett with "outfront" ready to take it away now. thanks, john. we're on the front line at penn state. a team and school reeling from a child rape scandal. joe paterno out at the end of the season. turkey rocked by a second earthquake today. dozens trapped in the rubble tonight. and the bottom line on the economy, the dow plummets nearly 400 points. we're paying for the troubles in europe. let's go "outfront."

"outfront" tonight, u.s. markets fall big time. it was a miserable day on wall street. the dow down 389 points. nasdaq and s&p 500 fell by more than 3%. the markets' fear gauge sparked it. peter costas, a trader nearly 30 years, what happened today? >> well, there's a lot of uncertainty in europe. i think when the italian treasuries went over 7%, that scared a lot of people. if you're going to look at it, i am not negative on the market, today was a good day to buy, we will probably have a couple move intermittent dips. people are afraid with italy going through the debt crisis greece went through, people are afraid this will cause another recession in europe.

that's the major thing. one-third exports go to europe. if there's a recession, it could impact the u.s. economy more than we have been impacted by what's gone on the last three years. >> bottom line, even though it is volatile and fear from europe, you think it is a buying opportunity? >> i think it is a buying opportunity because i think my personal opinion is that i think the situation in italy is overdone. this is not greece. the italians have an economy. it is a vibrant economy. their debt problems are manageable in the short term if they stay above 7% on treasuries, they can manage that above 7%. i don't think it will stay there long. i think the italians will come to grips with this, having berlusconi resign after this, that will be helpful also, and it is imperative the french and germans back the italians. that's a major market for them,

too. >> peter, thank you very much. i know you don't just say it because you're an italian american. as an irish american, i know we will do it in defense of italy. italy is big an important. the eighth biggest economy on earth. it is the third biggest bond market on earth, and its debt as twice as big as europe's bailout fund. you know that means italy is too big to bailout. france and germany won't be safe from crisis if italy falls. their problems aren't getting intelligen help now. they hold more debt, more than portugal, ireland, greece, spain come piend. lenders charge italy more to borrow. anyone knows that game can only end one way, surging, unpayable

balances. it is easy to create fear about a borrower, to go on about how italians love the good life. by one survey, 42 paid days off a year. more than eight weeks. if you spend time talking about that, people get afraid, they stop lending, the country fill fail and everybody will get hurt. but it doesn't have to happen that way if we have confidence. that's all lending and borrowing is about. stop letting fear rip through the markets and media and build up confidence, things could be different. when the global economy was booming it was for one simple reason. people were confident tomorrow would be a little better than today. here is the truth. italy's situation is manageable, thanks to ma man, silvio berlusconi. italy is in a budget surplus after paying interest on the debt. and the unemployment rate is 8.3%, better than the united states, half of greece, less than france. and italy makes a lot of valuable, important things, like ferraris and chrysler the.

the world's best fashion design. when i googled today, there were 375 million results on google when i searched good things about italy. let's think about the strengths of italy and stop bringing down country after country because it may feel far away now, but this domino game of attacking countries will come back to roost in all our pockets. stability in the world economy can come from one place, and that's the number one economy and bond market and number one stock market in the world, the united states of america. the super committee charged with stepping up to the plate and dealing with america's deficit doesn't have a deal. if they make one, they won't be what you see on the screen, they will be super heros and could be superheros and save america from europe's debt crisis. senator, thanks so much, i appreciate you coming

"outfront." i want to ask you about your plan which i know you've gone through. comes out to 1.2 trillion. you get the majority of that from spending cuts. i believe more than 60%. and you do have some tax increases in there. what's been the democratic response so far? >> erin, i would rather not characterize my democratic colleagues and their reaction, but i will say we have two weeks left on the clock, not a lot of time, but enough time to reach an agreement. i really want to do this. you're exactly right. the importance of restoring some confidence in congress, in our government, in our ability to get our fiscal house in order is so important. and this plan that we've put together is very pro-growth. modeled in many ways after bipartisan commissions that recommended that as part of any deficit reduction plan we ought to be reform of tax codes to encourage economic growth, simplify the code, generate revenue from closing loopholes

and special interest favors, that sort of thing is in the plan, and certainly there are spending cuts. at the end of the day, run away spending created this problem and will exacerbate it. i think the pieces are there, and i sure hope we can find a way to find a solution. >> all right. a few questions. i want to talk about this issue of tax revenue because i'm confused. you keep talking on the republican side about new tax revenue. the republicans talk about taxes going up on an absolute basis for some americans. are you saying the same thing or are you saying we're going to cut tax rates, get rid of some deductions so most people get a tax cut. because those are very different things. >> what i have advocated we do, which i think makes a lot of sense is first of all, and frankly it follows the model of all of the bipartisan proposals i have seen, lower the nominal rates, lower marginal rates. i suggested a top rate of 28%, lower rates for all the other rates. then you offset that lost

revenue by limiting the value of deductions, writeoffs, credits, special favors. limit those significantly. i would limit them so much that for the upper income taxpayers, they would end up paying more than they pay now, but we would eliminate the risk of a huge tax increase looming out there that's providing a wet blanket on the economy. i think that would create certainty. it would certainly be pro-growth, would generate more revenue. most of that would come from added economic growth. >> but i think intellectually, that's a big statement. you say some will pay net more. and that's important. when you talk about deductions, people watching will say you'll cut the tax rate but get rid of deductions. what about my mortgage? >> i am flexible how we do this. there are lots of different ideas, different mechanisms we can use. i'm not led to any particular one. i am interested in more fairness, more simplicity, getting rid of the very targeted

special favors. you know, there's going to be things some people aren't going to like. there's nothing that's going to win the support of everybody. but i think there's a way to do this, generate more revenue with lower nominal rates. >> let me ask you one more thing. we did a simple breakdown to show how compromise is possible. you can get higher than 1.2 which is what they are charged with. if you let bush tax cuts go away, 2.8 trillion in revenue, match it with 2.8 trillion in spending cuts. 5.6 trillion over ten years, that solves it. what about that? >> there's a big problem with that in my view, erin. if we let bush tax cuts expire completely, biggest tax increase in american history by far. cap gains and dividends, lower rates now that drive so much investment, those go up to what i think would be a crippling level. we would guarantee to have double dip recession. we are not in the economy we were in in the 1990s, we had an

internet boom and innovation happening and breathtaking pace. that's not going on now. i think the worst we could do is have a gigantic massive tax increase. a better approach simplify the code, lower rates, generate revenue through that mechanism. >> thank you for coming "outfront." we care passionately about the super committee. >> thanks for having me. second earthquake to hit turkey. death and destruction. dozens trapped. and four women accuse herman cain of sexual harassment and worse. how will he answer critics at the debate. and the camel report. your best source for camel news anywhere on hump day. i can enter trades on the run. even futures and 4x. complex options, done. [ cellphone rings ] thank you. live streaming audio. advanced charts. look at that. all right here. wherever "here" happens to be. mobile trading from td ameritrade. number one in online equity trades.

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problem. as for goats and begonias? herman cain has dominated the headlines because of sexual harassment allegations in the past week. four women have accused him of inappropriate behavior. he claimed not to even know the latest accuser, sharon bialek. he is speaking again tonight. he is set to have a debate in michigan with other gop candidates. will talk turn from joblessness and foreclosures to the drama? david, will other candidates touch the harassment topic tonight? i'm thinking to the past few days. mitt romney is the only one that directly addressed it to begin with. >> they're going to be super careful. it remains true herman cain has an intensely committed following. i noted from reading

conservative blogs over the past 12 hours or so that that following is digging in. they're getting ready to do battle, to attack the credibility of the accusers, to attack the idea that the concept of sexual harassment is meaningful, and i think people on that stage aren't going to want to tangle with that crap. >> gloria? >> i agree. i agree. also honestly, it is up to the questioners, and i think that your former colleagues and mine at cnbc are going to want to talk about the economy. i think if they start getting into the whole sexual harassment thing, they're not going to get to the debate that's the debate the american people want to hear. i think there's a real risk to the other candidates to bring it up for the very reasons david mentioned, which is they want cain supporters at some point. >> talk to go some of the attorneys today involved indicated to me we could get a press conference with more of the women tomorrow. what's your sense of what's

going to happen next. >> i don't know if it is going to happen tomorrow. i know karen kraushaar wants the women to get together. i am not sure how successful she will be getting a whole group of women together at one time to discuss this, whether they can do it in short order. i think it is something she would prefer, when i spoke with her last night, she made it very clear that this is personally embarrassing matter, might be easier for women to deal with it if they did it as a group, but hard to say whether that will happen and when. >> david frum, is he done as a candidate or not? we have been saying it for several days, raising the question. poll after poll shows he's still the top guy. >> it depends what you mean by done. is he going to be the republican nominee? no. and that's never been true and never going to be true. >> right. >> but will the people that have

emotionally invested in him allow themselves at this point to drift away or will they rally? i think they'll rally. we have seen the pattern with sarah palin and michele bachmann, even donald trump. people that are immediately exposed by the hated media as in some way or other unfit for office of the presidency, their supporters are so much more hostile to the critics that they then rally around and don't want to give it up. >> what about vp, doesn't this change the vp calculation? >> what do you mean by the vp. >> oh, he was never candidate for vp either. if mitt romney is the nominee, what he is going to want is a fellow governor, he is going to want somebody that helps him with conservatives and evangelicals but won't cause stress. he will look at mcdonald from

virginia or marco rubio from florida. >> before this happened, why were you quick to dismiss him as a candidate. people like him, eschhe i is charismatic. >> he doesn't bring anything. >> he brought the tea party. >> if the tea partiers come out and vote, they will vote because they don't like barack obama. if you're a republican presidential nominee, you're going to look to somebody that can bring you a state like ohio, say, or florida, say, so rob portman, marco rubio, you want someone who can actually help you in the electoral college, i don't think herman cain does that. i assume he would support the republican nominee no matter who it is anyway and be out there campaigning. >> mitt romney as you watched in the last cycle, republicans make a long bomb vice presidential choice hoping that would alter the dynamic of the race, and sarah palin may be the one vp in

american history to have hurt her ticket. i don't think mitt romney about mistake avoidance will use that play again. >> i wonder before all this if it might have been different. thanks to you both, appreciate it as always. >> sure. a 5.7 magnitude earthquake rocked turkey. at least three people have been killed. dozens more trapped in the rubble. the epicenter was nine miles south of van, turkey. more than 500 people were killed on october 23rd by a 7.2 magnitude quake. what is the scene like at the epicenter now? >> reporter: well, the epicenter was already, there were a lot of aid workers and rescue teams present there, so everybody sort of mobilized around these buildings that have collapsed, and you know, 25 buildings collapsed, but only three of them were occupied. the turkish government crisis office has said that four people lost their lives and there are

still some people the rubble. remember, this is an area that was devastated just under three weeks ago by a 7.2 magnitude earthquake which claimed the lives of more than 600 people, and so it is a very tough area, and people are unnerved. luckily, there was rescue teams already present there. >> we are looking at live pictures. these are live that we're looking at from van, turkey. a very vibrant town. when i visited there a year ago, we received reports that one survivor was pulled from the rubble. do you have any sense of how many are missing? it didn't seem to be a town that was built in any way to withstand this. >> reporter: no, you're right. turkey has a problem with earthquake codes, and those buildings were definitely not up to par, especially after being hit by a 7.2 magnitude earthquake just three weeks ago.

remember that there were two hotels that collapsed there, and some of these hotels have journalists that have gone over to cover the story staying at them, and nobody knew really that they were unsafe. but we don't really have a sense of how many people are still under the rubble at this point. we do know that some of the people that have been rescued have been airlifted for treatment to the turkish capital city. >> thank you very much. we appreciate your time. on "outfront" next, latest details from the penn state child rape scandal. and a hall of famer, franco paris comes out front. toyota recalls more than a half million cars here in the u.s. and wednesday is hump day, right? that means the camel report next.

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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, focus on reporting, find the "outfront" five. two weeks left for the super committee to step up, deal with america's debt. tonight, republican senator pat toomey came "outfront." i asked him if increased revenue meant increased taxes. >> lower the nominal rates, lower the marginal rates. i suggest a top rate of 28%, lower rates for all the other rates. then you offset that lost revenue by limiting the value of deductions and writeoffs, credits, special favors, limit those things significantly. in fact, i would limit them so much that for upper income taxpayers, they would end up paying a little more than they

pay now. toyota recalling more than a half million cars, most in the united states over power steering problems. "outfront" spoke with toyota who told us there have been 79 reported defects. we're told the first warning sign is a noise followed by a warning light and steering then becomes harder. a list of recalled cars on facebook. adobe, jobs refused to allow it on the iphone. he said perhaps adobe should focus on creating great html 5 tools for the future, not criticizing apple for leaving them behind. it is all greek to me. a massive snowstorm is pounding the west coast of alaska. they say the strongest storm to hit the state in nearly 40 years. there are reports of wind gusts

over 100 miles per hour. the stormán( twice the size of texas. feels a lot like a hurricane, with 70 miles per hour sustained winds. waves as big as 50 feet. i mean, that's amazing. no one has been hurt so far. it has been 96 days since america lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? deficit super committee has two weeks to the day to figure out $1.2 trillion worth of deficit cuts. if they fail, department of defense will feel the biggest impact. one person who knows how important the defense budget is, welcome cohen. former secretary of defense from 1997 to 2001. he directed america's military actions sz in iraq and kosovo, comforted families of those lost in the attack on the uss cole. a senator, congressman, an author. his new book is a fictional thriller about a nuclear explosion on u.s. soil or u.s. waters. many of the situations in the book, though, appear to be frankly based on real life

experiences. secretary cohen is "outfront" tonight to talk about it. good to see you again, sir. appreciate you taking time to come "outfront." >> great to be with you. >> opening chapter is a scene similar to the incident with the uss cole. u.s. troops leaving iraq, a guy is on a small boat, goes to us carrier, causes an explosion. there was a hearing today for the man accused of plotting that uss cole attack, saudi man tried in a tribunal. there's been a lot of controversy where to put terrorists on trial. do you think a tribunal is the right thing? >> i think it is right and i think it should proceed, and hopefully they will convict this individual for a terrible, terrible act. there was a saying in the book, i tried to recreate that saying, had such an impact on us and me and all of us in the pentagon and the military that remember the cole. in the book i change, but it is remember the cole that was on my mind.

i hope the trial will proceed and he will be convicted. >> the attack took 17 lives. obviously it was important to you, an important part of your career. how severe of a sentence does this saudi man deserve? >> i would give him the maximum, whatever the maximum is under the rules at guantanamo. they tried it before, it was so laden with explosives, sank the boat. when it came in, it came in under rules of engagement in which the ship wasn't allowed to come in with its guns in preparation for any type of hostile activity, and as a result the ship was hit. >> so you have a scene in your book called good-bye day. you have a news network in your book which is, i am not okay with that, all i am going to say. >> tried to make it fictional.

changed cnn to gnn. >> okay. you have a seen troops are pulling out of iraq for good. secretary of defense in your book is very opposed to that. is that your position on the situation we are in now where our troops are leaving iraq for good? >> my personal view is i thought the troops should stay longer. i don't think scenes of democracy have settled too deeply. i think pulling all our troops out that iraq is going to be in danger of not being able to fully defend itself, particularly in nighttime operations which al qaeda elements and splinter groups are starting to filter back into iraq. so i would have preferred that, but on the other hand the president made the decision, unless we can protect our men and women serving under u.s. control, he was not going to submit to iraqi government control and i agreed with that. >> without ruining the story, you have a nuclear explosion in the book, a lot is made of iran as the country to blame.

yesterday, i got the latest iaea report on iran. they say they could be building nuclear weapons. iran does the usual propaganda analyze. it feels like déjà vu. the same old discussion. i wonder what you think about what the united states should do. are we in a position to put up or shut up, right? you go to war, attack iran ordeal with iran as a nuclear power and plan for that as opposed to this rhetorical game we play. >> there are three options, none are good. first option to intensify sanctions and get the chinese and russians to come down hard on them and force them to forego this nuclear program they have. secondly, consider a military option, either alone or with israel or israel acting alone. the third, deliver the bomb. those are the three options. my hope is to avoid military attack because number one, the military is not convinced it could be successful beyond stalling the program, delaying it a year, 18 months, two years.

then we have consequences in the meantime. that may be the only option. when perez who is seen as a leftist candidate historically in israeli politics comes out and says the military option is that much closer, that's something everybody should be concerned about. especially the iranians. >> i am curious, you talk about attack by the u.s. may set iran back 18 months. we talk about the super committee on the show. we are passionate about doing its job and making a difference. part of the cuts is it cuts defense if they don't do their job. it would bring a trillion dollars in the next ten years in cuts. in your view, if that happens, what happens to america's defense. >> it would be irresponsible to have that happen, to have automatic across the board cuts is not only imprudent, it is reckless in my judgment. we're going to have to do less

with less as far as the military is concerned. can't do more with what we have. we will end up doing less with less. we have to prioritize where we will be involved, under what circumstances, what are security rules going to be in the world. having across the board cuts is not an active responsibility, it is irresponsible. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. your book, blink of an eye. available now. for those of you out there, way to avoid the automatic cuts that are reckless and irresponsible would be for the super committee to do its job. let's check in with anderson cooper. >> new developments in the child sex abuse story engulfing penn state. the more you learn, the more sickening. the time line of what happened to at least eight young boys becoming more troubling by the hour. now joe paterno is retiring, that's controversial. and we speak to dr. phil about how it happened, what warning

signs to look for. and will partisan games man ship trump deficit deal making. rand paul says democrats walked away from the negotiating table. democratic leaders saying that didn't happen. senator paul is my guest. those stories and the ridiculous at the top of the hour. >> looking forward to it as always. and joe paterno's days are numbered. stepping down as head coach of penn state at the end of the season. frank oh harris comes "outfront" next to talk about that rape scandal. and dearborn, michigan, known as the arab capital of america. featured in a new reality show. we're going to talk about it. [ male announcer ] how can power consumption in china,

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we do this at the same time every night. our outer circle where we reach out to sources around the world. tonight, we begin in thailand where there are concerns in the flood stricken capital, bangkok. piles of uncollected garbage could taint the water and lead to disease and death. liz, how are cleanup efforts going? >> reporter: this is garbage collecting in bangkok. this is a typical city side street. it has become a river of toxic things. they have to go through with bare hands picking up what they can. this scene more and more familiar as they try to keep ahead of water coming into bangkok. and to greece.

talks between political leaders and the president ended without announcement of a new prime minister. diana nag anyway is in athens. papandreou was expected to resign. what happened? >> reporter: shades of ground hog day in athens. the prime minister gave a televised address that sounded almost like his farewell to the nation, but he didn't resign, and he didn't name his successor. talks are deadlocked how to get the country out of its deep economic crisis. it is real political drama that would seem farce cal if the stakes weren't so high. >> for sure. thank you. to london. students poured onto the streets to protest tuition. last year these protests were violent. phil, how did the protests go? >> reporter: after violence of the protests a year ago and riots in london in august,

police are under pressure to get it right. they followed the crowd of protesters all along their path, ensuring they didn't deviate from the approved route. there were 4,000 protesters, but also 4,000 police deployed here, ensuring there was one police officer in fell riot gear for every angry student. >> thanks to you. the most victories in division one football history. for joe paterno, this is not a game, and there are no winners. in a child rape scandal that devastated penn state, its surrounding community and shocked the country, paterno said he will retire at the end of the season after mounting criticism about his assistant, jerry sandusky, charged with sexually abusing eight children. in a statement, paterno said he was devastated. i have come to work every day for the past 61 years with one clear goal in mind. to serve the best interests of

this university and young men entrusted to my care. chang -- franco, i want to begin with you. start with your reaction when you heard charges against your former coach. >> it is a horrible situation with joe sandusky, also as you know our ad was also charged with perjury. right at this time i think there's too much attention put on joe paterno. >> even though as apparently happened he heard about very explicit events that had happened, reported them, but when nothing happened, didn't pursue it? >> well, when i look at the situation, i think about 1998

when jerry sandusky was part of the football program, when allegations were made in 1998, he was part of the program, it went all the way to the ad and to the local police. jerry sandusky was not part of the penn state program in 2002. then joe told his higher ups about what happened. now, there is some discrepancy about what was said. >> right. >> my feeling is that it doesn't matter what degree of abuse happened, joe mentioned this, should have taken action. i can see how joe could get lost in the situation because in 1998, no charges were made. and in 2002 as i mentioned earlier, he was no longer part of the football program, you

pass onto the university because the university matters. >> let me ask you, michael, you grew up and had one of jerry sandusky's daughters in your class, i believe. are you shocked? did you have any sense there was anything off or strange or wrong about this man? >> no. i mean, state college is known as happy valley. you don't think these things could ever happen. from what i have heard and talking to experts, this is often the way these things are. then somebody that's a pillar of the community nobody expects or thinks could be involved in this sort of stuff, who often is. so if the charges are true, i don't think it is something that anybody outside the program, you know, ever knew of or could have anticipated. >> franco, did you have a lot of contact with coach sandusky over the years? obviously you visit the school several times a year by my understanding. >> i visit penn state a couple

times a year. not a lot of contact with jerry. through the years, i have been in touch with him, you know, through his second mile program, which really is a great program, in spite of things happening with sandusky. but i haven't had too much contact with jerry sandusky in a number of years. >> the charity sandusky spent a lot of time with where apparently a lot of these boys he met and where they came from. michael, how is the community responding? what words would you use to describe? are they supporting paterno or are some people thinking that ethically, morally, given what he was told, he did the wrong thing? >> i think there's more facts that need to come out about this. i think in general, you know, my

parents are still there, they've been there for 30-some years. my dad's a professor there. i talked to my mom yesterday, she said basically everybody's walking around in a daze, you know. nobody knows how to deal with this. nobody knows what's coming next. the principals involved in this haven't spoken yet so we don't know what their side of the story is. it's kind of frustrating as someone who's also in the media that we haven't heard more from them. i want to hear from the university president. i want to hear from coach paterno. it's something we need to hear in the next few days. ? and to the point when he was supposed to give his weekly press conference, he didn't. and everybody does want to hear from him. fran franco, i know there's more information we need from coach paterno clearly, in terms of what he knew, acknowledged he knew and when he knew it. do you think if he knew this happened and didn't pursue it, he should coach for rest of the season? >> you know what, joe will do what's good for penn state. when he mentioned that he will coach to the end of this season,

i thought that was the right decision. as mike mentioned, there's still a lot of information to come out and unfortunately a lot of people are making a lot of decisions based upon just a few details. so i would like to see him coach until the end of the season. >> thanks to both youf. appreciate you taking the time. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> out next, the cast member of a new reality program called "all-american muslim." a side of michigan. yeah, michigan. oh, yeah? you've probably never seen before. >> they start calling us names. terrorists. >> a-rabs. camel jockeys. se. really? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels fights your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your stuffy nose. [ deep breath ] thank you! that's the cold truth! i have to be a tree in the school play.

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the second largest muslim community outside the middle east is actually located in the heart of the midwest in dearborn, michigan. this detroit suburb is the capital of arab america, and despite the fact that nearly 60% of americans have an unfavorable view of muslims, which is the worst of any religion, they are american. tlc is the learning channel and they're debuting a new reality show sunday night called "all-american arab." joining us is the producer and a cast member. thanks for being here. ? thank you for having us. >> i had a chance to look at it and i'm excited about it. i want to start with you. before this interview started, we were talking about how interesting it was in light of

this show that you're jewish and decided to come and do the show. why? >> well, you know what, to meitis sort of irrelevant. i mean, we do all kinds of shows at tlc about all different topics. >> let me ask you, why did you decide to be a part of the show? >> tlc approached us and, you know, nader and i are very fond viewers of the network. and we are just happy that nader and i got the opportunity to be -- and to open up our lives to the world. >> and you did open up your lives, obviously. he's your husband. you had a baby. i think in a scene that a lot of people can just understand -- >> relate. >> -- relate to, you said, when you were pregnant, you said i'm going to have this baby at 38 weeks, i'm going to do it this way and that way. and he goes, okay. >> because i want to have the baby at 38 weeks. >> i mean, what do you do, like you send him an e-mail or something? >> i am nine months pregnant. i want to get that baby out, you

know, and i'm glad it happened when it happened. >> there are a lot of people who still look at you and say a muslim-american woman and they expect you just by virtue of those things to be quiet. >> mm-hmm. >> to be secondary to your husband. >> mm-hmm. >> and you seem to be anything but. >> oh, yeah. >> you're a respiratory therapist. >> mm-hmm. >> you grew up in a family first generation, right? >> oh, yeah. >> where it was invest in women's education? >> oh, yeah. my mom came over from the middle east, and she came here and she started -- i mean, she went straight to school. she's a successful business woman. i mean, i was raised in a family of very strong, willful women. >> alon, is that one of the goals you had showing a different view of women and a stereotypical view as incorrect as it may be? >> our objective was let's give people a vantage point and then they can make up their own minds as to what they think about this group of people or characters or their actions. it's really about giving people

the opportunity to experience something. >> do you feel discriminated against? >> no, not particularly. no. i mean, i don't walk around with a chip on my shoulder think that i'm being discriminated against. but i do get looks and i do get questions. i mean, i'm open to all questions. i wish there was more dialogue. and that's why nader and i signed on to the show. we want more dialogue. and we want people to ask us questions. in public when i'm approached, i want them to come up to me and talk to me. >> one of the best parts about the one that i saw, and i don't want to give it away, but there's a room where you all sit, very sort of arab-esque, and you're all sitting there. one of the women who does not wear one, says you wear one and you come back and say i get my hair highlighted, i do all this. >> i'm just like everybody else. you just don't -- i mean, i just -- i work it a different way. >> a way she said fendy berber, you name it, they all make ha jabs. tomorrow a big show, we'll talk