>> imagine him saying, you are a very, very guy. >> the first time i met him, i didn't get a hey, how are you? i'm donald. he said, you're going to make big money because of me, big money because of me. >> you've got to love the donald. darrell, it's been great meeting you. inspiring book. i hope people read it in that way. >> thank you. that's all for now. ac 360 starts right now. it's 10:00 p.m. on the coast. anderson will be back in a moment. the cnbc republican debate just wrapped up in detroit, michigan, a short time ago. the focus, the economy. since it was the first debate of sexual harassment allegations against herman cain, everyone was wondering, would that issue come up and the answer came on earlier in the debate. take a look. >> in recent days we have

learned that four different women have accused you of inappropriate behavior. here we're focusing on character and judgment. you've been a ceo. >> yes. >> you know shareholders are reluctant to hire a ceo where there are character issues. why should the american people hire a president if they there are character issues? >> the american people deserve better than someone being tried in the court of public opinion, based on unfounded accusations. >> governor romney, when you were being capital, you purchased a lot of companies. you could fire the ceo and management team or keep them. would you keep a ceo? are you persuaded by what mr. cain has said? would you keep him on if you bought his company? >> i -- look, herman cain is the

person to respond to these questions. people across the country can make their own assessment. >> joining us live in washington, former bush speechwriter, david frump and in cincinnati, fellow former ceo ohio of state. good evening, gentlemen. david frump, if i can start to you, before i get to the herman cain issue, he couldn't name three agencies of the federal government that he wanted to eliminate even though he vowed to eliminate precisely that number. some are calling this potentially a fatal blunder to his campaign. what's your opinion? >> it was agonizing to watch. anything who has spoken in public has been through it before but never in so many eyes. it was painful because it ex acted pain. rick perry has been in trouble for a long tichlt.

there is question whether he's up to the job of moving from the state level to the national level. i think his detractors saw that. i think his contributors are going to be discouraged. >> david, what's your reaction to this blunder? >> i think it was a stumble. i don't think it was fatal. >> stumble, but not fatal, considering his performances in these past debates, he needed the performance, right? >> i think he, in this debate in total, he did just fine. did he present an easy target for those who want to youtube and underscore the stumble? yes. rick perry is in this for the long haul. he has the money. he has the determination. he has the organization. and there will be more debates. >> all right. well, paul, you saw in that clip that we played at the top of the segment that there was some really vocal members of the audience that didn't appreciate the moderators asking herman

cain about those sexual harassment allegations. let me ask you this, do you take that as a signal that the larger republican electorate doesn't want to see mr. cain questioned about all of this? >> well, it was hard to tell. the audience at a later point cheered when congressman ron paul called for abolishing all student loans and that's really not a proposition for polling. i doubt if it's important for republicans. i thought mr. cain handled it as well as you could. he didn't get into any more specifics, which i think was wise. he sort of blanketly said it wasn't true. the audience lifted him up a bit. and i thought that governor romney was asked to comment on it and did a smart thing. no. no. it's for mr. cain to answer it. not me. >> were you surprised by the fact that he didn't take the opportunity to go after herman cain? >> i'm not at all surprised by it. it's the right thing to do. there's a lot about this that is unknown and it's not all

allegations. there are two settlements. we know about that. money was paid. but it's not something that another candidate needs to get in the way of. it's between this candidate and the voters. i think to your earlier question, it will matter. half of republicans are women and the other half, the other half that is men, i have my daughter who is starting her first paid job this year. she's 20. i look at this -- this kind of story with a pretty flinty eye. i think there are republicans in the party that feel the same way. >> you saw mitt romney standing aside and not taking advantage of the opening to go after herman cain. but if the poll numbers remain strong and these allegations remain in the news, will that change? will they change that strategy and go after this issue? >> well, i think when you look at the -- two of the first three states in particular, south carolina and iowa, i think the

voters will sort this thing out and the other candidates don't have the need or nor is it smart for them to go on the attack. the voters are pretty smart. they take the measure of all of the candidates, their character, their policies and herman cain will work through the scrutiny of the voters. >> let's focus a little bit more on mitt romney. david, mitt romney was pressed on his perceived flip on the government bailout in the auto industry. i want to look at his answer. take a look and then we'll discuss. >> i care about this state and the auto industry like no one else on this stage having been born and raised here, watched my parents make their life here. i was here in the 1950s and 1960s when detroit and michigan was the pride of the nation. i've seen this industry and i've seen this state go through tough times. i think people understand that i'm a man of steadiness and constantcy. i don't think you're going to

find someone with more of those attributes. i've been married to the same woman for 25 -- excuse me. i'll get in trouble. for 42 years. >> aside from the gaffe about his wife, how did he handle all this? it's a central criticism of mitt romney that as a politician he shifts with the political winds? >> well, i don't think it's a fair criticism, especially on this point. there he is on the stage in michigan and defended bankruptcy for the automakers. that takes some derv the managed bankruptcy has been something that they talked about for a long time. and i think some of the questions about the flip-flopping occur because mitt romney is trying to hold on to some more knew wants positions in a party clamoring for meat

and doesn't want to tell the audience that they are wrong but clearly there is a difference between them and the primary voters and there is a line between the nominee and the president. >> gentlemen, we have to leave it there. paul, ken, david, thank you all for joining us. coming up next, an emergency meeting about the university board of trustees. the latest, next. also, raw politics. ron paul says president obama is not interested in getting a budget deal from the super committee. only getting re-elected. we're keeping them honest. that and more when "360" continues. i was taking a multivitamin... but my needs changed... i wanted support for my heart... and now i get it from centrum specialist heart. new centrum specialist vision... helps keep my eyes healthy. centrum specialist energy... helps me keep up with them. centrum specialist prenatal... supports my child's growth and development.

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keeping them honest with the scandal rocking penn state university. serious questions about why so little was done for so long about the alleged rape of children, multiple abuse charges against a former assistant to the legendary coach joe paterno. today paterno, who's coached the nittany lions since 1950 and been head coach for the last 46 years, announced his retirement. this is new video of him today at a team practice for saturday's nebraska game. that is part of the controversy. he said he's stepping down but not immediately, not until the

end of the season. in a statement today he said -- paterno, who is the nearest thing to a secular saint in pennsylvania and hero to his players drew their praise today for his decision. >> i think as long as he's been here, he hasn't really ever made a wrong decision. he knows what he's doing. he's been doing it for so long. if he thinks it's best for the program, chances are it's going to be the best thing for the program. >> more and more as you'll see, people have doubts about his decision now not to immediately step down. here's former penn state legend matt millen today on espn. >> to be honest with you, and you can probably hear it, and i apologize to you, i get mad. it's -- it's pretty disturbing. it makes you sick. to see that this could happen to this level, if, in fact, it has

happened, then, you know, there's a part of me that, like i mentioned earlier, just viscerally, you just want to go take care of it yourself, which is what i've always done and which is the wrong thing to do. but this is more than just a program. this is more than a football legacy. this is about people. and if we can't protect our kids, we as a society are pathetic. >> that's one criticism of his decision to stay on until the end of the season. the other even more so is the decision back then, nine years ago, when the coach first heard allegations from a graduate assistant that paterno's former assistant coach, jerry sandusky, was in the team locker room raping a 10-year-old child in the locker room. sandusky is now charged with 40 counts of child sexual abuse involving eight minors over a 15-year time span.

until today he was featured on a massive mural on campus. now he's gone, painted over by the artist replaced by an empty chair with a blue ribbon signifying child abuse prevention. jerry sandusky founded and ran a program for at-risk children, the second mile, which he allegedly perverted, turning it into a place, according to authorities, for grooming young victims. in his statement today, joe paterno said, "this is a tragedy, one of the great sorrows of my life. i wish i had done more." that's what troubles some of his staunchest supporters. paterno himself has said, talking about football, "throughout my life i've always had the ability to concentrate on what has to be done. if i can do something about it, i go after it and try to get it done by giving it my best shot." on field and off, paterno has always preached doing the right thing, even if it's not easy. >> the thing that i feel strongly about, whether it's

football and you want to learn something, is you listen. we've lost civility in this country. nobody listens anymore. >> well, the suspicion for some of the outright allegations that when it came to his former assistant's alleged abuses, he did not do the right thing, that he did not give it his best shot, that instead he did the bare minimum, that he kicked the can to his superior. breaking news right now. pechb state university. the university board of trustees just announced the president of the university is stepping down. there's a press conference going on right now. let's go live to that press conference. >> about that at that point, there's been no change in his status. >> what was the driving reason of removing coach paterno? >> in consideration of all of the facts and the difficulties that we are encountering during this time, it was the trustees' view that it was in the best interest, long-term interest of our university to make that change. >> when did you tell him?

>> i can only answer one at a time. >> when did you learn. [ inaudible. >> the process is a process that requires some time. there was information that we sought, although we don't know any more about the actual details than the grand jury report and whatever you all right. we were working through the not entirely consistent process cease of wanting to act swiftly and desize civil but also to be thorough and fair. and that resulted in these actions. >> sir, given the popularity of coach paterno, on this campus, how difficult of a decision was this for you and your colleagues to make? >> well, these decisions are never easy in any walk of life and this one for many reasons

including those that you described, but in the unanimous view of the trustees, was necessary in the long-term interest of the university. >> can you confirm or deny -- >> i have no basis to comment on that report which i guess we found imagine na tif but not anything that we can comment on i can only do it one at a time. as i mentioned, rod eric son, our distinguished provost has agreed to act as interim president of the university. >> in the board's mind should coach paterno have alerted to the police the sexual allegations back in 2002? >> i don't know that i can characterize the board's specific determination on something like that. our view is a larger view of

what was necessary to move the university in the right direction the specific aspects of these terrible things that were done really remain to be established by whatever law enforcement investigations are yet under way as well as our own investigation by the board of trustees that we provided more details on on friday. it's really premature for us to comment on because we don't know what the actual facts and circumstances were. as i said, we've read the grand jury report, as i'm sure you all have. beyond that, there are very -- there is very little information that's available beyond that and we have to await the completion of multiple investigations. >> when did you tell paterno? >> when did you tell joe paterno of these decisions?

>> i think that's more or less the same question. we made that notify asian earlier this evening. >> what did he say? >> that's a private discussion. we made notification and that's really all we can say or should say. >> did you do it in person or over the phone? >> i would rather not characterize that either. we made the notification that we thought was appropriate. >> we had a phone conversation. we were unable to find a way to get to do that in person and without causing a greater distraction. >> did you have the courtesy to go to his house or talk to him in person? >> there's really nothing that we can comment on that. we did what we thought was best. >> what is your decision letting paterno go now and letting tim

krurley remain on leave? >> in time those matters will be dealt with. there's no change there at the moment. what happens in the long term will help. >> what about mike mcqueary? >> as i said, there's nothing new in his status at the moment. >>. [ inaudible. >> i don't want to get into what individuals should think or not think. i would hope that our students and we would hope that everyone who care ts about penn state, 95,000 students, hundreds and thousands of alumnis, outreach for agriculture and every county of the commonwealth, i would hope that everyone would agree that what we're doing is what we believe in our best judgment is in the best long-term interest of the university which is much larger than athletic programs. >> do you think you're making

him the fall guy for this? >> i think people can believe what they wish but as the fact ts come out in a longer term and we don't have them here in front of us, no doubt additional facts will come out. >> what would you say to those that say this is a rush to judgment? there has not been a full investigation so how could you reach this conclusion at the time? >> as i said, these are judgments and decisions and balances that we have to make with thoughtful deliberation and argue things reached a point that it's in the best interest of the university. >> is the board aware of the larger message about how penn state responds to allegations on campus? >> i am just recently aware of the matter that you just described. i have no information on it and no real knowledge of it if there is an investigation by federal authority. of course, the university will

cooperate in every means possible and beyond that, i have no knowledge of it and i think as we indicated in our statement yesterday, we intend to be as responsible as we can and make whatever changes are necessary to ensure that we have the highest standard of conduct. >> will he be allowed to go to the game on saturday or told to go away? >> we did not discuss that either. >> what do you say to the board of trustees that handled this matter poorly? >> we handled the best way we could with the information that we had and the time available to us, again, wanting to be divisive but thorough and others are welcome to their own opinion. we believe we did the best job that we could.

>> i think i'll leave it all to you to describe. the current situation that we're in, which by all accounts has its roots in a certain organization zags of the university, the situation we are in today is not in the university's best interest. >> what would be the harnl in letting the coach continue until the end of the season, the rest of the games? tell me specifically. >> well, i'm not sure i can tell you specifically. in our view, we thought a change now was necessary to enable -- to allow this process to continue we thought was going to be detrimental to the university. >> one at a time. >> beyond personnel changes, are their cultural changes and what is the board going to do about it? >> i don't know that i can put -- and whole penn state is ex am pla ree and i think we have a good culture and we need

to improve it in certain areas. we will put our full energy into doing that and i hope it will be result of the investigation conducted. >> but does the board believe there was any wrong done here and, if so -- >> the board doesn't know that and no one else does either. the facts are not established. the board doesn't know that more than anyone else does. we will respect the law enforcement process under way. >> but the process that was taken, the steps of the people involved for whom they told, do you think that was enough? do you think the authorities should have been alerted? >> i don't know that we know all of the steps that were taken. i don't think we know all of the activities that took place. i'm sure that we don't know that. >> you know who curley told. >> there is an investigation that will be under way by our committee and all of the investigative resources that they need. there are law enforcement activities under way. so we are certainly not rushing to a judgment that suggests that we know all of the fangts. >> so you don't rush to judgment when it comes to facts but you

rush to judgment when it comes to dismissing paterno? >> is that a question or a statement? >> i'm asking you. did you rush to judgment by letting go joe paterno? >> no. >> is there more information than the public knows about paterno's involve plt in this case? >> not necessarily, no. this was a collective judgment that we weighed all of the factors and we thought we needed to do to move the university in the right direction. there's nothing more that i can say about that. one at a time. >> with respect to the previous answers that you've given, why now? >> well, today was the day that our board felt we had sufficient

deliberation and sufficient views that was consistent among the board and trustees and we reached that decision today. i can't say why it was today versus yesterday or tomorrow. it's the way the board works. we hope in the short run and long run that the students and alumni and children that are in hershey depend on this and it hasn't been within the last week. i'm sorry. one at a time. the president serves pursue want to a contract that was entered and has a variety of contractual provisions that deal with certain circumstances. this is probably one of those and it will be adhered to, whatever that may be a he i think there was probably some

financial settlement in that case. >> was the board caught off guard by paterno's retirement announcement and was that part of the decision, sir? >> i'm sorry. better answer? >> are you concerned about the students' reaction to this at all? >> of course. the students are important but our job is to do the right thing and in the long term i think we did the right thing. >> sir, are you aware about the number of students marching back and forth on campus when they thought there was a possibility of this happening and therefore, what are you concerned about happening tonight? >> i think we have to do what we think was the right thing to do and the circumstances. there may be actions and reactions that flow from that.

we have to do what we think is right. i'm confident that the university and our students -- have -- >> have you made any contingency plans -- >> not that i'm aware of? our administration is adept at handling these situations. >> can you give us an idea if the vote was unanimous? >> unanimous. >> to what extent was the board caught off guard by the retirement announcement and -- >> i don't know what offguard means. it was a piece of information that arois at the point and i don't think it had any effect on what we did tonight. so really not much i can say about that. >> was this in the works yesterday? was there a plan being formulated? >> well, we've been discussing the matters at issue and our response to them on a very

regular basis and on the phone since this occurred. so i think the entire sweep of activities has been under discussion and certainly that was among those and tonight is where we ended up. >> i think i answered that. >> no, you didn't. >> there are a number things that we have to attend to that flow from everything that has happened and we'll deal with things point by point. >> i have no idea how to answer that question. >> if the department of education has launched an investigation failure to comply with federal laws, does that factor into your decision at all? >> no. to be honest, that report came in during our discussions and

i've not even read it. >> what was coach paterno's resnacks. >> i'm not going to characterize that. that's not fair for me to do. >> will remain in tact for the rest of the games? >> i don't know any reason not but i don't really know how to comment on that. that's a mearlt that we're going to leave to the administration, the acting president and director. if there's anything to say about that, you'll hear it from them. >> how do you justify the firing of two people?

>> we thought that because of the difficulties that have hit our university, and they were grave, it was important to make a change in the leadership to set a course for the new direction and i'm not about to try to attach that to specific issues. that's the board's collective judgment. >> maybe there should be a new board. >> are aware that -- >> considering i'm here, probably not. >> have you considered changing the board? have you considered changing the board? >> there is a process for trusteeship. you can read about it on the trustee website. >> people are asking you for justification for tonight firing coach paterno instead of letting

him finish out his kree with -- >> i've told you all i can tell you about that. >> why is that all you can tell us about that? >> is he subject to compensation? >> is he what? >> subject to compensation? >> will he be paid? >> again, there are some contractual arrangements that will be respected. those details have not been addressed and i'm really reluctant to speak to them because i don't have the details at hand. but there will be some -- >> are you considering any other personnel decisions? >> on our immediate agenda tonight, no. these were the matters that we were focused on. we're sort of answering the same questions again. so -- >> i think you can all make your own determination. >> we want to you make them. >> i'm not prepared to. >> he's made a great contribution to the university. we all agree to that.

>> we have i think a number of work schedule -- work discussion times schedule whether we use them or not. we don't have them figured out yet. >> who is going to pay the legal fees of curley and schultz. >> i'm advised by my colleague that there are two more questions allowed. >> will you still pay the legal fees of curley and schultz? >> i don't know the answer to that. >> is there any pressure from outside, like the governor's office or -- >> no. no. we received -- we saw

information from different opinions but, no, our deliberations were always the board and just the board and our decisions are the board and just the board. >> what do you say -- >> last question. >> what do you say to the perception that the board has been trying to get rid of paterno since '04 and this provided the perfect opportunity to -- >> i have no knowledge what you're talking about? >> a trustee to help the team from losing so -- >> i can't talk about that. >> okay. i think we've got to go. >> there you have it, the press conference ending at penn state. coach paterno is also being removed from his position effective immediately. that was just announced just moments ago after an emergency meeting of the penn state board of trustees. >> the board of trustees and

agreed that dr. spanier is no longer president of the university and joe paterno is no longer head football coach. >> let's go live to mike galanos. how surprising is this that spanier and paterno are out of their jobs immediately? >> reporter: not as much spanier. he's the one that okayed the final punishment of the 2002, just to take the keys away from mr. sandusky so he couldn't go back in the locker room. what you're hearing behind me, students are flocking to the old building, isha, they are upset that joe paterno is out. 46 years, 46 seasons he has been the head coach at penn state. no more. the man they call joe pa is out.

singing the al a mater. one of the chants was joe paterno. another one, we want joe back. they continue to chant and students continue to flock on this historic night in state college pennsylvania. because i don't think anybody thought joe paterno's career would end like this. he's the winningest coach in college football history. we know that. he won a squeaky-clean program. but what we did not know about came to light and joe paterno, did he do enough? that's been the argument. students are continuing. he knew. he didn't call police and i think that's one of the points of contention here, isha, as we continue to follow this and just hear their voices that are going to be heard tonight and they are just beginning. >> mike, as we look at these pictures of the students gathering there, it looks as if some have signs. is this just a spontaneous

congregation in response to this news? was it planned? what do you know about what is taking place here? >> could you catch the buzz. i think they expected the president to go. they did not expect joe to say, can you not coach here. across the board, 100 of the students were in support of joe paterno. >> people watching this at home are going to find this hard to wrap their heads around, considering the gravity of these charges, help us understand because i think it speaks to the kind of school that penn state is and the culture of the

football. >> that's a great question and i keep talking about that 2002 incident. let's go back there. a graduate assistant says that he sees sandusky, the former assistant, sexually assaulting a 10-year-old boy in the showers. he goes and tells his father. then his father tells him, go tell coach paterno. so he tells coach paterno and coach paterno tells his smear subpoena peer yors but subpoena peer yors and that's what we're talking about as we listen to the chants from the students. >> list listen to the site and take in the scenes.

♪ >> okay. now they are chanting about jerry sandusky. again, he is the assistant coach at the eye of this storm, facing seven counts of deviat involuntary sexual intercourse with eight potential victims over a 15-year period. he is the one that this is all about, the investigation is all about, did joe paterno do enough and that's the question and debate all along. here on the campus they thought he should have done more. >> did you say that there were -- one of the challenges now was about sandusky? >>. >> yes, i couldn't make it out. obviously he is the villain here

in all of this. and the beloved joe paterno's out because of the actions or alleged actions of jerry sandusky. >> it was brought up in the press conference as to whether there would be some kind of backlash there on the campus to the board of trustees' decision. you've been there. you've been talking to students. what do you think? >> reporter: well, the way things are going right now and the way we've seen students flock to this old main building, they are pumped up, to say the least, and you can hear it and see it and we hope, and everyone said, we hope cooler heads prevail. their hero is no longer the coach of penn state. we hope that it's all -- only that. that's it. >> mike, stand by for us, if you will. the crowd is getting more and more vo ichlt cferous. on the phone is a reporter for espn radio.

corey, what do you flake of this news tonight that paterno is out, as well as spanier as the university president. >> well, this is the most stunning day in the history of pennsylvania sports. when you see headlines on a tv station that says joe paterno fired as penn state head coach, we all knew that the end would be coming at some point. we've all talked about how it might end, might lead to the end, but this is absolutely shocking and stunning that it would come down to this. >> is this the right move, in your opinion? >> it's absolutely the right move. joe paterno could have said in his statements, lee step down. he could have shown leadership today by stepping down and heeching his young mini no

longer could be the head of the football team after this. >> i don't know if you can see the incredible scenes playing out. the students have come together and they are clearly voicing their displeasure at the decision that paterno is out. what goes through your mind? >> this is absolutely tragic. these young people need to understand that there is more to this situation than football. there is more to the situation than a football coach. these are young people's lives that have been destroyed through this scandal. this sex scandal that has taken place since 1998. college kids, they get fired up and riled up easily. they follow their friends down there's alcohol involved and no one wants to see this young people destroy penn state.

that would further damage the reputation of this terrific place to live. >> yeah. and you know, what makes this scandal and these allegations all the more shocking is that, as you know, penn state is a school that, till this scandal, was known as being squeaky-clean. we've seen other schools deal with scandals of lessor degrees but to have this come out of penn state makes this scandal all the more shocking for other people. >> absolutely. their motto is success with honor. they are one of only a handful of conference football programs that have never been found guilty of a violation. they have always been above board. joe paterno has been a legend and created an institution here that helped create an institution here that shaped and molded the lives of so many people and to see it come to this, i mean, just really for

all of us who live here in central pennsylvania, this is it stunning events that no one will forget for the rest of their lives. >> corey, stand by. we're getting a statement from penn state president. we're going to have a few in just a moment. stay with us. ans. quicken loans understood all the details and guided me through every step of the process. i know wherever the military sends me, i can depend on quicken loans. [ tires screech ] [ crying ] [ applause ] [ laughs ] [ tires screech ] [ male announcer ] your life will have to flash by even faster. autodrive brakes on the cadillac srx activate after rain is detected to help improve braking performance. we don't just make luxury cars. we make cadillacs.

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more now on the breaking news from penn state university. just announced a short time ago, the university president and legendary football coach no longer have jobs in the wake of the child sex abuse scandal. the board of trustees announced that president granl spanier will be replaced and vo joe paterno is being removed from his position immediately. grief for the children and the family and prayed for their comfort and so many allegations against former assistant coach

jerry sandusky. joining us again, mike ga lan no, sir and sports reporter for the altoona newspaper and jason carroll in state college. he's been on the story since the beginning. and sarah hoy who just spoke with joe paterno. sarah, what can you tell us? >> there was about 20 to 30 campus students here who came to his house. his wife visibly upset said joe would come out. he came out and addressed the students. he said, listen, all i can tell you is i'm not the coach anymore. he shrugged his shoulders. it's going to take some time to get used to. it's been 61 years. and the students began to cheer. they said, we love you joe, thank you joe, thank you, joe. everybody clapped. >> sarah, this is a guy who, from people who i've spoked to is considering him a legend. >> he really is.

this is somebody who people have grown up with, somebody's grandparents for that matter. he has a very well liking, a very big following and they seem to be in their 20s and all very sport sif of him. he said thank you and retreated back into his house. >> and i don't know how long ago you left that location. what was the scene there? >> literally, literally he just closed the door. >> describe the scene outside the house now. >> right now the street is very quiet, no street lights. it's very, very quiet. students are still milling about, in pairs, if you will. murmuring amongst themselves, not making a scene at all. talking it through, almost like a wake, if you will. >> so stand by for us. i want to bring in mike galanos. what you describe is a very different scene than what he is seeing at his location on the campus there where the crowds of

students appear to be growing. mike, describe what you're seeing and hearing. >> well, what's going on here, they gathered at the old main building. they had students speaking and chanting and then yelled beaver canyon and that's where you see the students running towards us and towards our cameras. it's quite a scene. these students are emotional. they are going to have their say. they are running right towards us right now. >> and you say they said -- i hear them shouting beaver. where are they going? >> reporter: they are running towards the downtown areas and the restaurants and bars and they will probably continue to be on the streets and tell their story tonight. >> jason, you've been speaking to people, you've been speaking to officials as well as students. are you surprised by these

scenes that have erupted there on campus? >> i'm not surprised simply because you could see throughout the week how so much has been growing on this issue. those on the other side of this issue, i remember the other need when students gathered in front of joe paterno's house and chanted joe, joe, joe, we want you to stay and you also have to remember what he said when he said he was going to try to stay on. he even admitted at that point, in hindsight i wish i had done more. so it's very clear that joe paterno, in the wake of all this, having time to sit and think about his actions, what some people would say his inaction, that he actually has regret about what he has done even though he obviously thanked those who came to his house, he said at that moment that his

heart went out to the victims as well. and you have to wonder, is that what joe paterno would really want at this time? also, you know, i did have an opportunity to speak to some of paterno's players. a few of the players earlier today. and they basically told me, look, we feel as though in terms of his him trying to stay on, that was the right move for him and the team and the university. you have to wonder now what these players are going to think now that the board has decided to remove him and not allow him to finish the season. a stunning end in some ways for a man who, up until this week, had a very distinguished career. >> and corey, if you're still with us, what will his legacy be now? >> his legacy has clearly been tarnished by all this. this will be in the first chapter of his legacy.

i don't know that it's the first sentence. i was asked that earlier today. someone phrased it that way. he still has done so many things on the field, off the field, he's raised an incredible amount of money for this university. his legacy will be -- most of his legacy, i do believe, a large portion of it, will still be that he has been a huge figure at this university, at this state. but there's no doubt about it that it's so disgusting, the biggest college scandal in sports history, it's stunned everyone and whether or not it's all his fault -- no, it's not. this all falls on jerry sandusky. but the way joe paterno and many other penn state officials have handled this, they have tarnished not only his legacy but the legacy of a great university, a great town. and these kids out here doing what they are doing, they are tarnishing the legacy of penn state university because they are acting like morons out there

and hopefully no one gets hurt. this is embarrassing. they are making themselves look even worse. >> mike galanos and sarah, stay tuned. coming up next, more on the breaking news from penn state university. we'll take a closer look at the time line of this scandal and how it got to this point. both joe paterno and president of the un out of a job immediately. we'll be right back. [ dr. banholzer ] every once in awhile

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. legendary football coach joe paterno out as head coach and the president of the university is also out of a job. that was just announced by the university board of trustees. here's a closer look at the time line and how we got to this point. >> reporter: the allegations of rape and sexual abuse of jerry sandusky stretch back as far as

1994 when he met his first alleged victim, a 10-year-old boy, through his charity of troubled youth, the second mile. >> this is a case about a sexual predator, a accused of using his position to prey on numerous young boys for more than a decade. >> reporter: and at least three times the alleged abuse was witnessed by and reported by employees at penn state. in 1998 it's alleged that sandusky inappropriately touched an 11-year-old boy in the shower. the boy's mother reported the incident to university police. that prompted an investigation by the university that included listening in on phone calls of the mother confronting sandusky. ak0rding to the grand jury report, sandusky said, i was wrong. i wish i could get forgiveness. i know i won't get it from you. i wish i were dead. he also admitted it to the

republican of welfare. he was advised not to shower with children again. >> joe paterno. >> despite being the one time heir apparent to head coach joe paterno, sandusky retired after this but maintained an office as professor of ameritus at penn state. a janitor allegedly saw sandusky in the showers with a young boy performing oral sex on the boy. he reported it to the immediate supervisor what he saw but neither reported it to penn state authorities or law enforcement. then in 2002, an alleged incident at the same facility. >> sandusky was seen performing a sexual assault on a boy at a young age anwa