arts. "n newsroom" continues right now with fredricka whitfield. hey, fred. >> thanks, suzanne. it is hard to move forward when hearts are broken, faith shaken, our heroes fallen. that's what they're trying to do at penn state. just hours after students unleashed their anger and hurt over the firing of joe paterno, the man who is replacing the legendary football coach, at least for a while, faced reporters. interim head coach tom bradley says he takes his emotion with mixed emotion but his feelings toward paterno are pure and undiminished. >> joe paterno will go down in history as one of the greatest men -- maybe most you have know him as a great football coach. i've had the privilege and the honor to work for him, spend time with him, and he's had such a dynamic impact on so many, so many -- i'll say it again -- so many people and players' lives.

and so it's with great respect that i speak of him and proud to say that i worked for him. >> it's been a seismic cascade of events since last weekend's arrest of a former penn state defensive coordinator on charges of raping and molesting a number of other boys. two of the university officials are charged with failure to report those crimes. paterno is charged with nothing, but says he wishes that he had done more than simply tell his superiors what an assistant reported to him back in 2002. i want to go now to penn state campus and cnn's jason carroll. jason, we know it was a pretty rough night last night. what's been the atmosphere on campus today. >> reporter: things much, much calmer out here today. vast difference from what was experienced out here last night by many. so many of the students trying to get a handle on things today. just about half-an-hour ago some students gathered just behind us

here trying to speak out, trying to speak in terms of the victims. but just as another student walks by, they shout more obscenities at the press. so some of that anger is definitely still there, that lingering anger from yesterday. and a lot of the passion surrounding this man, joe paterno. you heard the way tom bradley spoke about him. those are the feels a lot of people at penn state have towards paterno. want you to listen to a little bit more about what bradley had to say about his new position, having to take over for a man who he respected and has honored for many, many years. bradley saying he has no reservations but there are challenges ahead of him. >> we're obviously in a very unprecedented situation that we find ourselves in and you know, i'm going to find a way to restore the confidence and to start a healing process with everybody and i'm going to try to go about it. as i said earlier, it is with very mixed emotion an a heavy

heart that this has occurred that i'm going through this. >> reporter: well, bradley getting the call, fredricka, last night at about 9:45 from the new interim president here, rodney ericsson. bradley also saying he had the opportunity to call paterno at about 11:00 last night. when asked about what that conversation was like, he said that conversation was private. fredricka? >> jason, now, there's the last home game this weekend. has there been much discussion about their concerns about security, what the tone of that game might be? >> reporter: well, i think from the aspect of how people feel about how they're going to act at this particular game this particular weekend, it is really anyone's guess, fredricka. i can't put my mind in the heads of what students will do. i can just simply tell through are a number of students here who feel that the board of trustees made the right

decision, but you obviously see from what happened here last night there are a number of passionate students on the other side of the issue as well. >> jason carroll, thanks so much. moments after hearing the board's decision, students looked to joe paterno. here's what he told them after learning that he had been fired. >> get a good night's sleep. all right? study. all right? we still got things to do. all right? i'm out of it maybe now. a tough call put me out of it. good luck, everybody. >> thank you for everything! >> thanks! and pray a little bit for those victims. >> we are! >> penn state!

>> until recently, no one could have seen this ending for paterno, including yahoo!'s sports writer pat ford who joins me right now. pat, what is your take on all of this, at first the coach said i'm going to retire, i'll be there until the end of the season, then suddenly this decision from the board last night. >> well, fredricka, i think that was obviously something of a bargaining position from joe paterno yesterday, it was his announcement. it wasn't the school's. he was hoping they would go along with that. clearly the board saw it the other way and felt like this was something that had to be done. i did speak briefly with one trustee member this morning who said any decision we made was going to be unpopular with a large segment of people. it was just such a hot-button issue. people are very conflicted here on campus on what is the right thing to do. >> i wonder the way the coach handled it early in the day, did that really speak to the amount of power that he would have on

campus, that perhaps he thought he was calling the shots on how two end for him. >> well, sure. joe paterno has called hits own shots for decades around here and has somewhat wired the place with his people, his kf danconf, his supporters. tom curley was under him. he has his own pr person as opposed to someone who works more closely with the media relations' office in general. this has been a joe paterno operation. he's always wanted to do things his own way but especially wanted to call his last shot. to not get toshocking and unset thing who supported joe paterno and wanted him to have a decent good-bye. >> mike mckwery was one of the first to see the assault take place and yet he still has a job. is this just the tip of the igberg where others may lose

their jobs, be fired, face charges, after the handling of paterno now? >> oh, yeah, i think as the attorney general said on monday, it is onion going investigation. when she was asked specifically about the university president, she said he was not going to be a target of the investigation. we still don't know a lot of very important questions that need to be answered. i think people are -- look at this -- are puzzled by the fact that he will be coaching this game on saturday giving his very material role in what transpired and what was brought up the food chain and what wasn't brought up the food chain. i think that that -- there's been some inference that he may be in the coaching box as opposed to on the sidelines. maybe purely from a security standpoint because he is -- his presence at the game will be pretty controversial. >> pat ford, thanks so much. a shocking report about the handling of the remains of some nation's war dead. u.s. air force says partial remains of american service

members were cremated, then dumped at a virginia landfill. the families of those fallen troops were never informed. an air force spokesman says the practice by the dover air force base mortuary in delaware ended in 2008. cremated remains are now buried at sea. in a statement today, the air force admits, "we could have done better." in just a few minutes, i'll speak live with the head of the nation's largest organization for combat veterans. meantime, a military court in washington state is deciding the fate today of a u.s. soldier accused of murdering afghan civilians. staff sergeant calvin gibbs is the highest ranking of five soldiers charged in the case. they are accused of killing afghan villagers, planting weapons on them and severing their body parts to keep as grizzly war trophies. several other soldier face lesser charges. gibbs has pled not guilty.

he's known for his famous recipes and his restaurants. but chef mario batali getting some heat now for a comment involving bankers and hitler. he's now responding to critic. it happened at a "time" magazine event. take a look. >> i would have to say who's had the largest effect on the planet across the board and everyone is the entire biking industry and their disregard for the people they are supposed to be working for. now europe has to realize they haven't been paying the bills for a long type and they're going to get hosed. people who are going to get hosed are education and health people first, just like our system because they've been relying on it. the way bankers have toppled the way money is distributed an taken most of it into their own hands is as good as stallen or hitler and the evil guys that you guys have. >> they're not here. they are people who really have had a huge effect on the way the world's operating. >> he started getting a whole lot of criticism from followers

on twitter after that. today he is responding. look at this tweet, "to reof move any ambiguity about my appearance at yesterday's "time person of the year" panel a, i want to apologize for my remarks. they died serving our country and instead of resting in peace with honor, their remains rest in a landfill. how the military mishandled remains of america's warriors. and up next, i'll ask the commander of the nation's largest group for veterans who should be held responsible? stay right here. emily's just starting out... and on a budget. like a ramen noodle- every-night budget. she thought allstate car insurance was out of her reach. until she heard about the value plan.

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in 2000. americans were shocked by substandard care for wounded vets in walter reed. in 2010 outrage over grav mismanagement at arlington national cemetery. now comes what one veterans advocate calls a national embarrassment. word that from 2003 to 2008 the mortuary at dover air force base routinely cremated portions of the remains of fallen troops and dumped them in a nearby landfill unbow noens to their families. the air force says the parts that can't be recovered followed by burial at sea but it also acknowledges losses, mix-ups and desecration of troop remains as outlined in multiple federal investigations. "the washington post" seas three discoverier mortuary supervisors

have been disciplined but none so far fired. i want to bring in the national commander of the veterans of foreign wars, richard denoier. you say the dover revelations expeed on many levels the scandals i just mentioned a moment ago -- walter reed and even arlington. in what way? >> well, fredricka, it seems to me that i hope we're not having a pattern here of services that are provided to the fallen or wounded not being policed properly and supervised and basically handled in a dignified manner. i hope that this is not the case. >> you're hoping that this is an anomaly and this was not common practice, even though, as i mentioned, it apparently was reported to that have happened between 2003 and 2008 but it is no longer taking place. >> as we understand, it is no

longer being -- that's what we are told, yes. absolutely. >> so the air force chief of staff was forced to answer to all of this on capitol hill just this morning. let's hear what he said and then i'll ask for your reaction. >> secretary of the air force mike donnelly and i take personal responsibility for this. our obligation is to treat our fallen with reverence and dignity and respect and to provide the best possible support an care for their families. that is our mission. the people who did not fulfill our expectations were disciplined, and there's no doubt what our expectations are today. >> what are your thoughts on that response? >> i agree with what the general said. this should not have happened

and that he agrees that the level of care should be, bar none. but he mentions that people have been disciplined. well, as i understand it, the discipline doesn't necessarily meet the crime, shall we say. one individual lied. he falsified records. he tried to fire a couple of the whistle blowers. we're very concerned that that person is still working for the federal government. we don't think that he should be. >> what assurances do you need, do you want, to make sure that this practice does not carry on? >> well, we want people in place to supervise properly the processing of the remains from the battle front to dover. we want to be assured that this will never, ever happen again because policy and procedures will be in place to prevent that from ever happening again. i might add that i was in afghanistan last week and i watched a transfer of remains

leaving afghanistan, and the dignity and humbleness that transpired during that ceremony, we would like to think on the other end that the same type of dignity and care would be executed as well. >> commander richard denoyer, thanks so much for your time. it was called a progressive family planning. young girls, poor people mea mentally disabled, sterilized against their will. stay tuned. up their credit score ♪ing ♪ she bought a pizza party for the whole dorm floor ♪ ♪ hundred pounds of makeup at the makeup store ♪ ♪ and a ticket down to spring break in mexico ♪ ♪ but her folks didn't know 'cause her folks didn't go ♪

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they were targeted because they were poor. undereducated, institutionalized, sick or even disabled. some had low iqs or simply weren't photogenic enough. well, all of them were ultimately labeled to be unfit as parents. as a result, more than 7,000 people were sterilized under a state program in north carolina. this went on from 1929 through 1974. this is an undercovered story we told you about several weeks ago. now north carolina officials are trying to track down the survivors. some 1,500 people thought to still be alive but so far they've only matched four dozen people. sharmane fuller-cooper is executive director of the foundation in charge of finding these sterilized victims. she's joining us right now over the phone. miss cooper, why is it so difficult trying to locate these people? >> one of the biggest difficulties in north carolina is that u genics existed so long in this state like over 30 other

states. not only does the state have a mandated stair stair liesation. we've had hundreds of callers call the foundation each month but unfortunately only 48 of those callers have been matched to the state program. >> you're executive foundation of this program in charge of finding these victims. is it your discovery that there's still so much mist trust as a result of that program that perhaps many victims simply don't want to be found or their families don't want to be located? >> one thing that we're finding out is that some people just don't know what happened to their family members. a lot of families have hidden secrets. for other people that do know, there's a lot of shame and embarrassment that came with them being labeled as unfit or feeble minded. a lot of people were targeted because they were poor or they were undereducated or they didn't dress appropriately or speak properly or they may have been epileptic or a person with a disability. so a lot of people are hesitant

to come forward. >> so you kind of spelled out the criteria. this program sought out people based on that criteria. then what would happen in this program? take us back a little bit. once they identified people that they thought fit the category, this characteristics that you just mentioned, then what? from there was a five-member panel in north carolina under the name of the north carolina eugenetics board. they would review petitions of individuals who were brought up for sterile liesatiization whet person should be sterilized. once the order was given by the five-member panel, there was little voice by the victims to stop the stair liesation. we have victims as young as 10 years of age in north carolina. >> in all 7,500 were in the midst of that program and it's believed that about 1,500 may be i live to this point.

to what extent will you or this program try to reach out and find these 1,500 since you've only located 41? >> the next step in north carolina is the governor has established a tax force to give final recommendations by february 1st as to what type of justice to give victims. that will be very important because a lot of victims will be hesitant to come forward until they know what the end product will be, whether that's some sort of compensation or -- >> what would that compensation be? >> right now the task force is looking at an amount of anywhere from $20,000 to $50,000 per victim who was sterilized. >> maybe it will be incentive for many of them to step forward now. thanks so much, charmaine fuller cooper. a former football coach accused of raping children and the school is blamed for not doing enough to stop him. my next guest says there's something fishy about who was let go and who remains on the sidelines. plus, questions about the safety of the students at this weekend's game.

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the fallout at penn state from the firings to a widening federal investigation has already reached university's very top and rocket its very core. just hours after legendary head coach joe paterno said he was resigning at the end of the season, the board of trustees made it more immediate. he was fired. penn state's revered and adored university president graham spanier also removed. at the center of the allegation -- this man, once considered paterno's number two, his potential successor, former defensive coordinator jerry sandusky. sandusky is charged with 40 counts for alleged child rape, sodomy and molestation of eight alleged victims. so this all raises so many legal questions about the school and several key people about

accountability and responsibility, and now about lie ability. paul callen joins us live from new york. first, talk about the extent of this federal investigation. at the center here is whether penn state failed to comply with the cleary act which requires colleges and universities to disclose the numb berp of criminal offenses reported on campus. what happened here? >> well, the cleary act investigation probably is not the most important of the investigations going on. the cleary act basically says that if a school doesn't properly report crimes, they can lose federal funding and they can be find $27,000 for each violation. >> do you think that all that is at stake for penn state? that's pretty serious. >> oh, it's very serious in terms of the financial liability but obviously, nobody's going to be going to jail as a result of that, and i think people are going to be going to jail as a result of what happened in this horrible, horrible incident. >> okay. you think this is the tip of the

iceberg, those who may be facing charges? yes, we know that a couple of administrators were dismissed and then a couple others were actually facing charges. but do you see that many others may be facing charges, including perhaps the former head coach, paterno? >> well, this is such a stunning and just the most unfortunate kind of case you could ever imagine at an educational institution. of course we know that everybody is presumed innocent. i want to start by saying everybody who is charged has a right to a trial. but, pedophiles tend to be repeat offenders. i've read the indictment in this case, and there are at least eight named victims and there's one other out there who sort of obscurely is referred to. i'm betting knowing how pedophiles operate that there are many more victims out there. and then you have a situation where sandusky had been -- had admitted showering with little

kids to investigators as far back as 1998. the athletic department had to know about it and they did nothing. he wasn't charged and he went on to do this horrible rape which occurred in the early 2000s that's the subject of paterno's firing. >> that's why the probe would widen. it would widen because it is hard to believe just a handful of people knew about this alleged behavior, that an awful lot of people might be complicit in knowing but failing to report it properly. >> absolutely. and i mean just to give you an example of how wide the circle is, you can start with someone who's been described as an assistant coach -- well, he is assistant coach now, but he was graduate student at the time. mike mcqueary. now he is a guy in his 20s. he's a tough football player. he walks into the locker room and he sees a man in his 50s

raping a little boy. and he does nothing about it. he doesn't pick up a chair or a bat and throw it at him and break up the rape. he goes home and tells his father about it. and then the next day, they tell paterno about it. who apparently conveys something on to higher-ups at the administration. this is a rape! >> why wouldn't he be facing charges of failing to properly report? >> well, that shows you how crazy, fredricka, these laws are. first of all, there's a general presumption in the law that you don't have an obligation to report a crime when you see it. recent years because of what went on in the catholic church and with other things going on with child abuse, a lot of the states adopted requirements that you must report abuse -- >> yeah, except two people are already being charged with that as a result of this. >> you know, mcqueary is not charged with it because he reported it to paterno. but what kind of a man was he not to try to save this child?

and yet he's going to go out on that football field as a representative of penn state? i think it is disgusting and it is utterly shocking that he didn't intervene to help that child. and that's where this case -- that's where the wrong starts in this case and it goes all the way to the top of this university, which is essentially a company town for the football team. >> potentially do you see former coach paterno facing perjury charges or any other kind of criminal charges as a result of this? >> well, i don't know. the d.a. has so far -- law enforcement authorities have said they aren't bringing charges against him. but, if more victims turn up, if more evidence is out there indicating that he should have known and he should have acted, we don't know what's going to be out there in the future. not a pleasant future though for all concerned. >> it is very uncomfortable for a whole lot of people. something tells me it is going to get -- i guess it is going to broaden as this investigation probes on. paul callan, thanks so much.

oh, big oops. he did it again. perry has a brain freeze forgetting details about his own fiscal plan. >> i may not be the best dye debad debater, the slickest politician on that stage. but what they do know about me is for ten years i've been the chief exive officer of the state that created more jobs than any other state in the nation. >> but will that be enough? what perry calls his human moment next in "fair game." but first, political junkies, let's test your knowledge mop was the first sitting president to appear on "saturday night live"? the answer after this. [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic low back pain. imagine living your life with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine you, with less pain.

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before the break we asked you to name the first sitting president to appear on "saturday night live." answer -- gerald ford. ford was often mocked by chevy chase on the program. he showed a good sport by showing up and delivering the

tag line "live from new york," it's saturday night. political watchers are calling governor rick perry's debate gaffe last night one that will go down in modern political history. the debate and perry's self-described brain freeze are "fair game" for my guests today, democratic political consultant ed espinoza. good to see you. and associate dean christopher m metzler. i know it will make you squirm but let's just take another peek everyone's talking about. >> it's three agencies of government that will get there when i'm gone. commerce, education and, what's the third one there? commerce, education and the -- >> you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of got, i would do away with education, the commerce -- commerce, and

let's see. i can't, the third one, sorry. oops. >> oh, big oops. okay, chris, you first. how do you recover from this? the day after, all morning long, all the morning programs, he was laughing about it, he was very self-deprecating. is that all he really can do? >> yeah. i mean that's all he can do. i mean there are two things. it reminded me of a couple of things. if you remember admiral stockdale -- >> yeah, who am i and why am i here? >> yeah. it reminds me of that. and i also for a moment thought that i was actually watching an episode of ""saturday night live."" it's not, houston, we have a problem. there is absolutely nothing he could do. and the problem is not just this gaffe. the problem is he has been gaffing so poorly throughout the entire thing that his had best strategy is probably going to be to skip a couple of debates and fade away. >> so ed, do you agree with

that? there really is nothing he can do to recover from that? just kind of maybe poke fun at yourself as he continues to do? he's going to be on letterman tonight and i'm sure that's going to come up. >> look, in rick perry's defense, three things is a lot to remember. but you can't really sink a ship that's already been sunk. rick perry hasn't been a player in this series for a couple of months. i think the bigger story here is that rick perry actually gave a bail-out to the other candidates who had some gaffes on the stage, too. romney said that his economic plan doesn't have a housing plan. well, that doesn't equate to a good answer. and i think that this issue with perry is taking away from those things right now, particularly when you look at swing states like nevada, florida, michigan, all with major housing crises right now and today we're talking about -- oops. >> yeah. i think leading into this debate though i think many people anticipated lots of questions were going to go herman cain's way about the sexual harassment

scandal and a question did come his way. let me play for many of you who may have missed it just what happened in the room. >> in recent days, we have learned that four different women have accused of you inappropriate behavior. here we're focusing on character and on judgment. you've been a ceo -- >> the american people deserve better than someone being tried in the court of public opinion based on unfounded accusations. >> so chris, the support from the room really silenced the question. >> well, the support from the room silenced the question, but here's the problem. the problem from herman cain's standpoint are multiple problems. problem number one is he then also went on to call the leader of the opposition congresswoman

pelosi princess nancy. if i'm being accused of sexual harassment, i'm not exactly going to call a woman "princess." >> you agree? he kind of shot himself in the foot there in a big way? >> yeah. well, that's a problem. with this audience, there's two things that really viable candidate needs to do, play to the audience. it was red meat for the audience. problem with everyone else is it is a red flag in light of these allegations. stick to your message. stay on your message and repeat. ad nauseam. i think for the night he might have success ffully got around by talking about 9-9 -- something. >> chris, i cut you off. >> in 9-9 thing, it is becoming a bit of a joke, a bit of a crutch at this point. at the end of the day the race is going to be down to two people. it is going to be newt and it is going to be romney. that's where we are.

>> it is going to be a fascinating year, nonetheless. it already is, right? we're just getting warmed up. all right, that's "fair game." happening right now -- rescue under way for survivors of a deadly earthquake. they are trapped beneath the rubble and we're just getting in new video right now. plus, another search. this one for a major league baseball player. a catcher from the washington nationals kidnapped? taken from his own home. now, new clues. we'll be right back. and startedg loads of points. you got a weather balloon with points? yes, i did. [ man ] points i could use for just about anything. ♪ keep on going in this direction. take this bridge over here. there it is. [ man ] so i used mine to get a whole new perspective. ♪ [ male announcer ] write your story with the citi thankyou premier card, with no point caps, and points that don't expire. get started at thankyoucard.citi.com.

but when they come home, they don't want a parade; they want a job. the postal service employs more veterans than any other civilian employer. but congress is debating a bill that would force the postal service to fire tens of thousands of vets, close post offices, shut mail processing plants, and disrupt mail delivery. drastic cuts won't fix the postal service and aren't needed. tell your representative to vote "no" on house resolution 2309. it's time to deliver for our veterans -- and america.

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in eastern turkey, rescuers are digging through mounds of debris in search of dozens of people still trapped after an earthquake struck last night. at least 25 people have been pulled from the rubble. at least seven others were killed. the 5.7 magnitude quake collapsed two dozen buildings, including a pair of hotels. the tremor occurred less than a month after a 7.2 quake devastated parts of the same area. at least 500 people died in that october 23rd quake. a new assignment for britain's prince william. he will be deployed to the falkland islands next year. it is part of his role as a search and rescue pilot for the royal air force. the prince will spend six weeks at the falklands base living in military quarters. islands off argentina's south atlantic coast have been under british rule since 1833. a major league baseball player has been kidnapped in venezuela.

washington nationals catch er ws abducted last night from his home about 100 miles of the capital of caracas. ramos was back in his home country playing for a venezuelan winter league team. now with more on this story, carlos, how could this have happened? >> reporter: hi, fredricka. yeah, this case has shocked venezuela and is being investigated closely by the venezuelan authorities. according to preliminary reports, two heavily armed men stormed the home of raramos' parents' house where ramos was staying. we have been trying to talk to the family directly but friends have told us that family prefers not to talk. ramos finished his rookie season with the washington nationals this year. he was back in his home country

playing in venezuela in the winter league. witnesses say the gunman pl threatened to kill the player if he refused to go with them. they believe they've found the car used in the kidnapping and they believe that will help in the investigation. also they have assembled sketches of the two alleged kidnappers. now kidnapping is becoming a common practice in venezuela. mostly performed by small criminal organizations that demand money in order to relieve their hostages. >> so sad. let's hope he gets a very safe release as a result of that. luis carlos velez, thanks so much. to the big board now, the dow up 148 points one day after the chaos in europe sent markets plunging. how should you be reacting? what should you be doing with your cash? ali velshi and christine romans are standing by. their advice, because you know they teamed up for a book and everything. they've got predictions, too.

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since the end of 2007, we've all learned a lot of words and phrases we never really wanted to know. toxic asset, credit default, swap, hair cut. knowing how to speak money at home, at work and in school is everyone's, in everyone's best interests. nobody speaks language better than my cnn colleagues, ali velshi and christine romans. their book is how to speak money, the good you need to know. >> many people don't remember this but in fact my legacy of speaking money on cnn started with you. >> i know! >> years ago, you and i used to

do a show on the weekends talking about money. >> that is true. we're going to talk more money. we're going to talk about your book in a minute. let's talk about the markets. while the dow was up 145 points, that is good. the markets really tanked yesterday. the european situation, italy, greece, in large part, why? a lot of people 401(k)s took hits just as a result of yesterday. what are people to do? what are investors to do? how do you move on and try secure your investments? >> in the commercial break what did you say? >> you said i want to punch the dow in the face. >> it is confusing everybody. your blood pressure goes up and down with that chart. and in fact, it's not that should you ignore it. it is very relevant. it has to do with your 401(k) and your retirement. but you make decisions, you don't follow everything else in your life that closely and you make decisions in a poor way because it is all in front of

you. these are real issues you discussed. europe and growth and the rest of the world. >> there's an old phrase on wall street. when plarkts like this, the real professional say don't just do something, stand there. because people are moved by emotion. especially if you don't speak money. you're not fluent in investing or markets or moving money in markets. you can make lot of mistakes. our advice, have a plan, follow the plan, make sure you're invest in the your company 401(k), you're getting a match, you have the right balance for your age. you're holding sxred paying 10% or 12% or higher, you can't get that return in the market. your best return on anything is paying down your credit and then investing. so your plan is more important than the world's plan at the moment. >> you know what? let's talk about bailouts. it seemed like a great idea and then the next minute people were criticizing it and it became a dirty word and now the word

bailout is being used again and now we're talking about the seventh largest economy in the world, italy, and then greece. could it be for an economy the size of an italy? >> italy is too big to bail out. there's the agreement, when you're looking at the size of that economy. the third largest bond market in the world. what they need there, they need a comprehensive plan from their government to get themselves out thch trouble and learn to pay back their debt. and austerity american purchases will not hurt growth but help. what they need is a plan and a strategy. the european central bank, there are thing the central banks can do. call they will bailouts or not but they can buy back italian bonds. the borrowing costs -- >> when people look at it and say why can't they get their act together? is pain next? it is the same way they look at america and say why can't they get their act together the budget? how come they had to wait until the last minute to trays debt ceiling? every country has its own

political squabbles and they don't get entire world is focused on them and they should just do the right thing. everybody in the italian parliament thinks they're doing the right thing. someone said look what's happening in italy and you're looking at your future. >> that's the whole bottom line for your book. it's called how to speak money. the knowledge you need to speak money. this was inspired by a lot of people who were skill perplexed about all the, the equations of money talk and this will break it down for them. ali. >> that's all we need to say about it. >> thank you. >> get the book, peel. you'll have a better understanding about money. thanks so much. appreciate that. >> from papers to no water for you. illegal immigrants now being refused water and electricity. it is sparking a firestorm. plus, it was supposed to be history in the making.

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section 30 of a new law that makes it illegal to do business with immigrants. the department justice is following that law. and alabama's biggest county is broke. a $4.2 billion debt. jefferson county which includes the state's largest city of birmingham has filed for chapter 9 bankruptcy. it is the largest municipal bankruptcy in its history. he said i am disappointed by the commission's decision as bankruptcy will negatively impact not only the birmingham region but the entire state. end quote. if you're watching cnn or our sister network around this time yesterday, this is what you saw. under a minute. millions of americans will witness history. for the first time ever. the government will launch a test of the emergency broadcast system. we want to let that you know at 2:00, there will be a brief test

of the emergency action notification system. it is just a test so don't be concerned when that come up at 2:00. >> if officials wanted to find flaws in the emergency alert system yesterday, consider the test a success. senior political editor mark preston joins me from washington. what happened? >> i was one of the millions of people who were watching you, waiting to see this test come on. i kept seeing don lemon. all i saw was don lemon. this was the first ever test and it did not work properly. but fema and the fcc said it was not a failure. after all, this was a test to try to find weak points and flaws. and there were problems. some tv and radio stations never played the 30-second alert while others kept it up for longer than 30 seconds. the emergency alert system is often used on a local and regional basis, and it is used to notify people of events such as tornadoes. but to emif a spies this was not a failure, the head of fema said in an interview with cnn if we

don't test it we don't know what we need to fix. clearly they know they need to fix something. >> that's the glass half full. sometime you need learn from mistakes. >> no doubt. >> appreciate that in washington. that will do it for me. brooke baldwin is in washington, d.c. as well today. brooke? >> i'm in your home turf. nice to be here in washington. i love this place. thank you so much. i'm brooke baldwin. joining live right now from the nation's capital, let's go rapid fire beginning, huge story this week. head coach at penn state, joe paterno out. his plans to retire at the end of the season preempted by the board of trustees of the university. the board stepping in amid charges of serial child sex allegations against a former long time assistant, charges that paterno knew about but never reported to police.

the university president out as well. much more live from pennsylvania in just a matter of moments. also, armed kidnappers grabbed one of major league baseball's most promising lookies in venezuela today. washington nationals catcher wilson ramos was taken from his family home just south of caracas. ramos was home in venezuela to play with his winter team. no word yet on the kidnappers' commands. the abduction raises all kinds of questions about the safety of pro athletes playing in venezuela. what a story this one is. at dover air force base, the air force ad militarying cremated body parts of dead troops were sometimes dump in the landfills as medical waste. the practice only applied to severed body parts. families were informed of the disposals but not of that particular method. top brass did address a disturbing revelation today on capitol hill. >> secretary of the air force

mike donnelly and i take personal responsibility for this. our obligation is to treat our fallen with reverence and dignity and respect. >> the air force says it changed to burial at sea back in 2008. . more on that story as well coming up in our second hour. the national archives has just released new richard nixon files, including trans scripts of the former president's testimony. also audio tape made by nixon included in the collection is his recollection of an impulse visit to the lincoln memorial to visit anti-war protesters. later on in the show we'll play just a piece of that audio. an x-banker is the new interim prime minister of greece. lucas papadamos said his main job is to have a controversial

bailout. he has to sell the greek parliament on this plan which calls for a new round of cost cutting american us. if it passed, more greek work letters lose their jobs. celebrity chef mario is apologizing for saying bankers are like brutal dictators. specifically aid. on hitler and joseph stalin. >> to the 28 bankers have kind of toppled, the way money is distributed and taken most of it into their own hands is as good as stalin or hitler and the evil guys. >> well, of course now he is apologizing via twitter. take a look. he tweets, to remove any ambiguity about my appearance at yesterday's time person of the year panel, i want to apologize for my remarks. it was never my intention to equate our banc industry with hitler and statin. >>. a race against time in

turkey to save more than 100 people buried in the rubble by that 5.7 quake. at least seven people are could not fimd dead. the aftershock clachollapsed mo than a dozen buildings. and new revelations about arizona congresswoman gabrielle giffords and her recovery from the shooting in tucson. in an excerpt from the new memoir she could wrote with her husband, she said she was destined to be a moefrl she wanted to have a child. she had been undergoing fertility treatments when she was shot. she also describes the intense struggle to regain the ability to speak. prince william putting his royal air force training to good use next year. he is being deployed to the falkland islands. no frills for wills. he will be living in basics facilities. he will have to be back in the u.k. for the queen's diamond

jubilee next year, marc her 60-year reign. and we are a couple minutes here in washington, d.c., a lot more to cover for you in the next two hours including this. ment? the head coach is fired -- >> for the first time in 60 years, coach paterno will not be coaching. >> the president removed. >> joe paterno is no longer the head football coach effective immediately. >> and students are rioting. penn state is unraveling over child rape charges against a former assistant coach. plus, two young women are accused of kidnapping a teenager and torturing him for two days. cutting him 300 times. plus, the new reality show all american muslim. we'll talk live to cast members with the risks of coming out as muslims on national television.

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8:15 p.m. >> joe paterno is no longer the head football coach effective immediately. >> you hear some of that yelling? that set off pandemonium outside. what seemed to begin as a tribute to joe paterno quickly descended into chaos in this normally placid town of state college, pennsylvania. students flipped a news van, chanted expletives. look at the crowd trying to take down that light pole. at the same time, a recognition of these horrendous allegations seems to be sinking in. i want to you listen quickly to the newly named interim head coach tom bradley speaking late this morning. >> first off, i grieve for the victims. i grieve for the families. deeply saddened by that. it is with great emotion that i say that. and you know, the football part, we will get working on that right away. right now, i think you should

know where our team is toward this whole issue, is toward those children. toward their families. and our thoughts and our prayers are with them. >> let's go straight live to the penn state campus. jason carow, you've been there all week. talk about this, the last 12 hours. if you can set the mood for me there. is it anger? is it bitterness? or do students there realize, there really may have been no choice at all but to fire coach paterno? >> reporter: honestly, i think it's a combination of all three of what you just mentioned. there today obviously, things feel much calmer out here. then all of a sudden when you think it's calm, you'll have a student who will walk just behind our camera here and give us the finger or shout some sort of obscenity. so a lot of the anger directed at the board of trustees and directed at the media. because a lot of the feeling is

that too much attention was focused on paterno and not enough attention was focused on the man at the center of the investigation. jerry sandusky. but if that is the case, i asked the penn state student body president, why then flip over news vans in terms of taking out your anger in that way? why not find a way of having a vigil or finding a more decent way to express yourself? that is the question i posted to the student body president. take a listen to what he had to say. in terms of taking ownership of what you do, there could very easily have been a candlelight vigil here for the victims last night. that would be a way to show support for the victims. how do you show for the for victim by turning over a news van? >> i think that is a great question. i think it is something that a lot of students are struggling with. fundamentally it just the emotions are running so high in the student body. there are so many questions that are really unanswered in the community. and students just don't know how

to react. they haven't really been guided by anyone in this institution as of now. >> reporter: so i think that's what some students are looking for this morning, brooke. looking for a little bit of guidance in terms of how to deal with everything that's happening. you've got the victims you have to deal. with you have this beloved man at this university who is no longer going to be allowed to coach. you have to remember these people are young and trying to find ways to deal with a lot of what's happening here. >> sure. and i think to your point, let's steer conversation back to the center of the story which is as you mentioned, former defensive coach. defensive coordinator jerry sandusky. bring to to speed as far as where the allegations stand. are there any new feadetails an any more alleged victims? >> reporter: as you know, sandusky is out on $100,000 bail. a source close to the investigation has told me that even though he is currently charged with assaulting, sexually assaulting eight

victims, we are told there have been calls into the tip lines for more than a dozen people saying they, too, were victimized by sandusky. show the investigation is not over. and when i think things start to die down about who is resigning, who is staying, who is going, the thrust of the story will turn back to what it really should all be about. and that is the victims and this man at the center of this investigation. >> let's take a quick look at some of what happened in the hours following the big announcement. the paterno is out. >> the board of trustees have decided effective immediately, notes longer president of the university. in addition, joe paterno is no longer the head football coach effective immediately. >> with very mixed emotion and a heavy heart that this has

occurred, that i'm going through this. i want to do the best job i can do for this football team. [ shouting ] >> we're here to get joe pop for one more game. it's that simple.

[ yelling ] >> it's been absolutely crazy. it's really overwhelming. it's hard to study. it's hard to concentrate. i'm here for my school. i'll stand behind my school. >> i love joe pa. to see him go is such a disastrous thing for our penn state community and for the student pop nation general. >> thanks. pray a little bit for those victims. >> just the emotions, jason, the anger, the passion, these young people have for this man. 84 years of age. does the depth of the anger speak to the love, the respect they have for him? i suppose that's not so unusual in a place like state college. >> reporter: no, not so unusual

at all. i think the larger question becomes, brooke, if you believe what the attorney general has laid out in the grand jury report, that this man jerry sandusky is guilty of sexually assaulting these young boys, where is the outrage and the anger for them? and i wonder, brooke, if a number of these students who are young and look back at the tape and realize, was that the best way to represent their school? was that the best way to think about the victims? imagine what the victims if they are out there, are feeling when they see images like that. >> that's a good point, jason carroll. jason carroll for us in state college. thank you so much. let's talk politics. one time front runner gop rick perry squirmed. is that the right word? we'll call it squirming for nearly a minute as he tried to remember his own plan to shrink the government. one man who certainly knows perry best joins me live.

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rick perry has done it again. he had another awkward moment in

a televised debate. maybe the worst yet. you could call it, let's call it a brain freeze. watch and listen. >> and i will tell you, it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education, and the -- what's the third one there? >> five. >> commerce, education and the -- >> epa? >> epa, there you go. >> seriously? is epa the one you were talking about? >> no, sir. we're talking about the agencies of government. epa needs to be rebuilt. no doubt about that. >> you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government, i would do away with, education, the -- commerce and, let's see. i can't. the third one, i can't. sorry.

oops. >> oh, oops is right. let me read you a couple of quotes. quote, i think his campaign just ended. political science from the university of virginia, painful, embarrassing, like a stricken high school student. wayne slater, dallas morning news. mr. texas politics, we'll call you with us now live. wayne, wayne, wayne. when rick perry officially entered the race in august, a lot of folks thought he would blow doors. instead, he keeps blowing tires. what is going on with your state's governor? >> unbelievable. i am at this moment with mitt romney. maybe i've switched candidates. i'm at a wonderful polish american center in troy, michigan. oops is right. this is astonishing. i have to say that much of what i've seen over the last couple of, the last few weeks has not totally surprised me but this

did. this total inability to debate. to keep his mind on things. these brain freezes. this is not the rick perry i've seen in the past. and to be serious for just a moment, i think in part it's because rick perry has been sort of in a bubble for the last ten years. easily can win elections, no problem. so his political team has discouraged him from engaging in debates. engaging in exchanges. this is what you get in the end. >> so one thing to be the governor of texas for many a year. quite another to strive to be the president of the united states. you mentioned the last couple of weeks, wayne slater. lest we forget, rick perry is still trying toly down this one. from youtube, it was manchester, new hampshire. >> you know, it's pretty easy math, subtract it, send it in, it's awesome.

why not? that little plan that i just shared with you doesn't force the granite state to expand your tax footprint. if you know what i mean. like 9% expansion. >> okay. the narrative was supposed to be that perry had thought money to burn. he would use to it his advantage. flood the airwaves with tv and raid he wrote spots, rise in the polls. what's the use of all the money if he continues to look less and less presidential? >> well, you're exactly right. he's burning it. this campaign more than any campaign that i have seen at a presidential level, certainly in the last few decades, is one in which the debates have defined the event. there are candidates who barely have a real, sort of what we would traditionally call a campaign operation. and their basic campaign is to show up at debates and they're

doing pretty darn well with that. now, this is a real, an amazing problem. i don't think it is over for him but i think this is not necessarily the end. i do think you can see it from here. >> you mentioned you're in troy, michigan. i guess you mentioned facetiously you're switching candidates. you're at this romney event. have you had a chance to talk to the romney folks? did they expect this implosion we're seeing from rick perry? are they saying anything? >> they are. this event that i'm at right now, a lot of reagan democrats. some moderate conservatives from michigan. these are folks who knew romney's dad, some of them. i recall when romney's father was the governor of michigan. i have to say, i was surprised when i talk to several people here and they basically were giving perry a pass on this night last night.

they said, well, this kind of thing happens. one woman and this could manifest itself and represents the upper midwest. one very delightful woman i talked to said the thing i think about perry, he is from texas. and those texans are really proud. and i don't like that. i think they sort of, the texas myth of, you know, mythology of something that doesn't play well here in the upper midwest. >> quickly, wayne, did you hear cnn was able to confirm that perry will be doing the top ten list on the late show tonight? will you be watching? >> you betcha i'll be watching. sounds absolutely great. i assume it is the top ten reasons why he forgets stuff. >> maybe he'll just do one through seven. >> what is it? >> maybe he'll just do one through seven. >> he can all, he can always say, look. i forgot because i was distracted because herman cain put his hand on my knee.

>> wayne slater, we'll all be watching. thank you so much. our guy that covers all thing rick perry. we cannot overlook herman cain at last night's republican debate. this was his first debate since those allegations surfaced of sexual harassment dating back to the late 1990s. cain was stone faced. he was defiant. when moderators put the questions to him, the audience seemed to relish his response. >> why should the american people hire a president if they feel there are character issues? >> the american people deserve better than someone being tried in the court of public opinion based on under founded accusations. and i value my character and my integrity more than anything else.

>> lawyers for of two cain's accusers say the women are considering holding a news conference to tell their side of the story. and we know the defense of marriage act or doma, a union between a man and a woman. a senate panel has just voted to repeal it. is this a tipping point for same sex marriage? we'll ask the first openly gay man to serve this country as u.s. ambassador. plus, a bit of breaking news. by this man here, piers morgan. quits, but it's not what you're thinking. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation.

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together, for your future. ♪ as expected, a senate committee voted 10-8 to repeal the defense of marriage act. the federal law defining marriage as the union between a man and a woman. it was strict party lines. the repeal effort is not expected to get much further

through congress, especially not in the republican majority house. i want to bring in foam ambassador james hormel. the author of fit to serve, reflections on a private life, private struggle and public balance to become the first openly gay u.s. ambassador. he is good enough to join me today. live from new york. mr. ambassador, nice to meet you. i know your good friend, senator diane feinstein, the bill's chief sponsor. even she says she doesn't have the votes for a full passage. for you, what does today's vote on the defense of marriage act, what does it mean for you? >> thanks for having me on. what it means to me is a great start, actually for a bill like this to get out of committee hearings is a major move. the so-called defense of marriage act which is patently unconstitutional is one of the worst pieces of legislation that

we've ever had in the administration or in any other. so getting rid of it will be a blessing for our constitutional republic. >> i want to get back to defense of marriage act. i do just want to ask you about your story. in your book fit to serve, it was the late '90s. you had your eye on this diplomatic post and you could have gone, as i've read, to bermuda. i hear there are pretty beaches there. you could have taken a general counsel drive. you wanted an ambassadorship even if that meant facing a pretty nasty battle over your nomination. how brutal was that? >> it was not even that. it was because, because i fell it was important for the senate to go on the record on a nomination of that kind. >> why? >> unfortunately, they didn't. unfortunately, they managed to block a vote from coming to the senate floor for almost two years, until finally the degrees

a recess appointment. >> right. he did the recess appointment. but at the time, you were willing to take risk, put yourself out there as the first openly gay potential hopeful ambassador. what was that like for you? >> well, as i describe it in the book, it was not fun at all. but at the same time, i felt that it was very much worth it. every time i visited the state department, somebody would come up to me and say, i can't till how much we appreciate what you're doing for us, for the in service officers. that about it self made it worth it for me. >> on the flip side though, how ugly did it get? >> well, it got pretty ugly. pat robertson went on the 700 club and told people that i was a pedophile advocate. and that was one of many charges

that were just shamelessly drawn out of thin air. and put out as if they were real. so i heard a lot of that and i had to say to myself, well, they're talking about something, they're not talking about me. >> are you hopeful, mr. ambassador, that the defense of marriage act will be repealed in your lifetime? >> i'm very hopeful. i'm very hopeful. i'm approaching 80. and nonetheless, i'm hopeful. i think that the law is so bad that people are beginning to recognize that all it does is deny equal rights to a whole constituency. and when people realize that, when they realize that being gay is not a choice that we make. being gay, like being left-handed, is innate. then when people come to that understanding, i think many more will be supportive.

and frankly, i believe the general public is way ahead of its legislators on this now. i don't know why republican senators and congress people are so afraid to go on record about this. they ought to show a little courage themselves. >> former ambassador james hormel's book is fit to serve. thank you so much. >> you're very welcome. how about this story? this is a tough one. a man allegedly tortured and held for two days, escapes, calls 911. now two women are accused of a sadistic crime. [ umpire ] strike 3. you're out!

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i want to you look at these two women. two milwaukee women. they're in jail accused of luring an 18-year-old man into their apartment, tying him up, and torturing him for 48 hours. police say he was cut, he was stabbed and slashed more than 300 times during this alleged satanic sexual encounter before he was able to manage to escape, find a phone and call 911.

according to court documents, one of the women admitting to cutting the man during consensual second but she claimed her roommate who says, is apparently into satanic rituals, joined in and the cutting got a little out of hand. police found knives, bloody robe, duct tape and occult book, and the werewolves guide to life book. our affiliate says charges are expected in this case by the end of the week. colin powell, a pillar of the george w. bush years, secretary of state for half of them, remember when he shook things up by endorsing obama back in 2008? >> i think as he transformational figure. he is a new generation coming into the, on to the world stage original to the american stage. for that reason i'll be voting for senator barack obama. >> so one whole election cycle later, is he going to rock the boat or is he going to endorse

obama yet again? piers morgan got an exclusive interview with mr. powell. here is a preview. >> piers: the argument people have with obama, oh hue supported, is that he hasn't fought back against the modern weapon which is multimedia, the internet, all these things. he hasn't beaten his chest and behaved leak you would in a battlefield. >> i think that's a fair criticism of the president. he is somebody who was used to getting people to compromise and seeing if we can not quietly find a way in lamb lawyerly manner. but he still has that spark, that these grenthusiasm about h that got him elected in the first place. >> you can watch that entire interview tonight when colin powell answers the many questions including where he was when osama bin laden was killed.

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the super committee is under deadline and they are under huge pressure to get something done. the latest is that democrats and republicans on the committee have been trading offers. for the first time this week, republicans put tax increases on the table. something they call a major concession. something some democrats even say is significant in these negotiations because that has been a major sticking point throughout the talks here of how they can get more revenue. will republicans put more revenue on the table. i should warn you, of course, unfoptly the bad news here, that doesn't mean they're necessarily any closer to a deal as some democrats are accusing republicans more of a pr effort to show they're working, rather than engaging in substantive negotiating myself colleague caught one the top democrat in the senate, a short time ago, harry reid who called the republican offer of tax increases, quote, phony. saying he isn't encouraged by it at all. i'll tell you bottom line, the co-chairs of the committee,

brooke, they say they're still working. we spoke with them today. they're still working, they're still talking. they understand the deadline. and both sides say they've made major concessions. democrats offering entitlement cuts, republicans offering tax increases. the problem is that both sides stay other has not offered enough. in the meantime both sides seem to be engaged in a bit of a jockeying for position on who should be to blame if the super committee fails. we're watching. i know you are and the clock is ticking. >> the old line in the sand. thank you. you talk politics here in washington. i don't really not talk politics. in other cities, i know sometimes, you're brought up. you don't really talk politics and religion at dinner, let's say. what if you're an american muslim? can you avoid it? two new stars, they're about to be stars. just regular neeks live in dearborn, michigan. they're part of this new show, all american muslim. they'll join me. share their story.

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this upcoming sunday, get ready for the latest entry into the wofrl reality television. this slice of real life will not take you inside the secret lives of celebrities or behind the scenes of high maintenance house wives. you take a look yourself. >> the city of dearborn, michigan. dearborn is a whole other world. number one most concentrated community of muslims outside the middle east. being in dearborn has allowed us to practice our faith without losing our sense of american

patriotism. >> after 9/11, the environment was a bit more hostile. >> unexpected unrest at the international festival in dearborn. >> they say we're barbaric. >> it got bad. >> so you are a semi newly married couple. they told me on the commercial break, the day was july 3rd. taking part in the tlc series, it is called all american muslim. if mcdermott doesn't exactly sound like your typical muslim name, jeff converted. that's part of the show. when tlc first approached you, said they wanted to make should show, how did they pitch it to you? what was your initial response? >> well, when tlc had pitched it to you, we are pretty interested. my family has been very active in the community and trying to dispel misconceptions all our

life. with it being tlc, it was a lot more comforting to us. i think that was a big selling point for us. it is a great opportunity to come in, get into our homes, get into our hearts and see how normal we really are. well, some of us. >> so part of your story is the fact that jeff converted. and as you say in this initial show, he wasn't like all the muslim boys. you wanted to marry him. therefore, he had to convert. you're this modern couple. the show features some very, very religious people as well. both of you, what do you want people to take away from this? >> for me, i would hope this show will open the minds of people who are curious and who don't have the opportunity to ask others questions that they've been wondering. i want people to see a muslim and not be afraid to smile. we're just like everybody else. we really are. >> i would love to dispel any misconceptions about muslims and

arab american community. >> jeff, the show doesn't shy away from what must have been a pretty tough moment for you and your mom. was she, let's say, a little hesitant that you wanted to convert? is that putting it lightly? >> she was very hesitant at first about it. as many of us were. it was something that i was full blown ready to do it. i took a lot of time researching and learning about the religion and i spent a lot of time talking with her parents, her family, her extended family about it and i felt it was the right decision. my mother supported it. she supported me. she loves the family. >> final question for both of you when you look at the title of the show. something i was thinking about. it's called all american muslim. when you talk to some americans, they may say that's an oxymoron. doing my homework to talk to you two, apparently tlc has said

they've gotten hate mail that they're even doing the show. what's your message for americans on both sides here? >> you know, it's amazing to me that people think that you cannot be american and muslim. this country was founded on being able to the freedom of religions and we work like everybody else. we follow the laws of land like e else. for the few lunatics who hijack the religion's name, we don't claim them. we are a very diverse people. we're very different. >> and give the show a chance. it hasn't even aired yet before you make your decision about it, please. >> speaking of sunday, tlc. what time? >> 10:00 eastern. >> 10:00 eastern. jeff and shadia, thank you so much. so imagine this. imagine being on top of that wave. 90 feet. the ride was record-breaking. we'll talk to the man who makes it look like no big deal. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

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