history shows the voters are often quite forgiving. governor perry has enough money to make a run at it, and the guys in his way have their own liabilities. again, it's a steep hill. if he's asked in the next debate what agencies he would cut, truth is, he better be ready with three, four, maybe even more. that's all for tonight. have a fabulous weekend. see you here monday night. erin burnett, "outfront," starts right now. thanks, john. we're on the front line with herman cain. despite the accusations around him, he's leading. can he hold the lead? and baby lisa irwin. today is her first birthday. the attorney has a very specific person in mind about what happened. and the bottom line on the penn state child rape scandal. joe paterno out as coach. assistant mike mcqueary on paid leave. a super committee has been set up to investigate. that's our hour. let's go "outfront."

-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight breaking news. a big day for the markets. the dow up 260 points. just shy of that. all three of the major indeseize back in positive territory for the year. it was veterans day, but way better than expected data in terms of american consumer sentiment and positive political news out of europe. that will help, greece and i italy. it's a big number. all right. it has been six days since penn state university was rocked by child rape charges involving the former assistant coach jerry sandus sandusky. the interim president spoke out today saying the university is dealing with the sifgs. here's the latest. assistant coach mike mcqueary, who first reported witnessing the sexual abuse to coach joe paterno in 2002, has been put on

paid administrative leave. a special committee has been set up to investigate sexual abuse on campus. penn state will play football tomorrow as a sign of support against child abuse. joe paterno has hired a lawyer to represent him. >> joe paterno has left a tremendous legacy at penn state over many years, and i'm sure that in due course, the university will find a way to recognize that, but now is not the right time to get into any specifics on that. >> all right. there are a lot of questions, though, out there. we want to answer as many of them as we can tonight. we're going to be covering this through the hour. we have cnn's senior legal analyst with us as well as hln's mike galanos and professor mike poorman. he runs the penn state

communications department and teaches a class called joe paterno, communications and the media. he started covering penn state football in 1979. jeff, i want to start with you. looking at the headlines that came out late ted. you have a very well-known respected attorney now confirmed that joe paterno has hired an attorney. why lawyer up? >> it's the only prudent thing to do. this criminal investigation is probably closer to the beginning than in the end. new witnesses are coming forward. apparently new victims are coming forward. the attorney general, when she made her announcement, said joe paterno wasn't going to be charged. that doesn't mean he's not going to be charge down the line. plus, you have the absolute certainty of many civil lawsuits by these victims, by their families. he's going to neetd a lawyer for those. he's going to chekeep that lawy busy. doesn't mean he did anything wrong, but he should have have a lawyer. >> professor, what's your take on this after teaching a class, as you have, for all these

years? is this going to truly crack, if not permanently ruin a legacy he has worked many decades to build? >> well, it's been a crazy week, so i appreciate the thought. i'm not head of the communications department, but i'm working on it. as far as joe's reputation, obviously crack is a good word. i think we'll have to wait and see how much it's really going to impact that. the media obviously will have a huge role in that. right now, they're trying to find a lot of dings, that's for sure. >> all right. i'm curious as to your view, professor, about one thing that really has stood out. there's been allegations and incidents that have happened right over the past 15, 20 years. but this spring, the grand jury came out with a set of results. they were talking about all these things that jerry sandusky was alleged to have done. but no one covered it in the national media. why? >> why wasn't it covered by the

national media? >> yeah, what's your thought as to why? >> i think part of why joe has always liked it here. it's a tough place to get to. access is really, really difficult whether you're local or national media. i think paterno's reputation is so strong that outside of this area, even the national folks in new york and l.a. and across the country, really have bought into that image. for the most part, that image is true. they didn't think there was fire where there was smoke. >> obviously, it appears on some level there has been. mike galanos, let me ask you about one of the big issues today, which is why is penn state going to be playing football tomorrow? >> the president somewhat addressed that. that was a question that came to that. you got the feeling there was a discussion of whether or not they should continue to play football. as the press conference went on, it sounded like football is going to be a way for us to move

forward. the world is going to be watching. really urged the students to act to show penn state is strong. obviously a lot different from what we saw a few knignights ag. >> mike, do you know where jerry sandusky is? obviously, he posted bail. >> i talked to somebody who actually knows him and spoke to him, but this was a couple weeks ago, pre-scandal. said he saw him at the grocery store. never would have thought anything was coming down the pike. since that time, we heard he's in hiding. he's not been seen, that i know of, anyway. i'll speak for some of the sources i've talked to. >> jeff -- >> i don't understand why this guy is out on bail. if you look for the standards at what judges think about, risk of flight and danger to the community. if i were jerry sandusky, i'd be looking to get out of dodge. it's a very weird world where conrad murray is detained and not allowed to go. sandusky can go anywhere he

wants. he's been ordered to keep away from kids, but that doesn't have much impact. >> clearly it doesn't. let me ask you, what do think the punishment be? >> if he's convicted? >> right. >> he'll never get out of jail. life. he's a 67-year-old man. this is a very serious crime, to say the least. he'll never get out of prison. another reason why he shouldn't be out on bail. >> right. mike galanos, was that you jumping? >> it was the professor. >> erin, he is out and about in dodge. there's been a lot of reports in the past two days from people i know, very credible reports. he's been seen a lot of places in town. >> that is amazing in and of itself. >> it's astounding. >> it is. >> it's incredible. i think it goes to the heart of his mind set about this whole thing. >> jeff, how many people do you think will go to jail here? there are people who saw these

horrible acts or were directly told about them by people who saw them. >> only three people have been charged so far. sandusky, who is going to prison forever if he's convicted. the two administrators, the athletic director and vice president. those are unusual crimes. not a lot of people go to prison for that. they are also charged with perjury. i imagine the magnitude of this case, they would go to prison if they're convicted. i think it's a close question. as for anyone else, you know, i just think it's too soon to tell. >> mike galanos, i'm curious about the security situation on campus given there was violence the other night, given there's debate over whether they should play. what is it like there? >> they've told us, erin, they've beefed up security for the game. everyone saying, let's not act like what we saw, those wild students a few nights ago. security's beefed up. we do not know what kind of atmosphere it's going to be. i've talked to people ghoing to

the game. they say it's going to be weird. a different atmosphere as they go to this game. how will people respond? football's the backdrop, but after the scandal, who knows? >> all right. gentlemen, thanks very much to all three of you. we appreciate it. "outfront" next, a second mile foundation. that's the non-profit organization serving the youth where jerry sandusky met his alleged victims. an honorary board member of that group is nfl member frank o'hara. he's with us again tonight. former nhl player sheldon kennedy, a victim of abuse himself, joins us to talk about these children and what happens to them next. we're also going to be talking about big questions with mike mcqueary, the guy who saw what happened in the locker room. he's only been put on paid administrative leave. we talk about that. and it's been more than a month since the decision appearance of lisa irwin. that's the baby who's been missing for a movant.

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for other sports at penn state like fencing, volleyball, and a whole lot more. the athletic department only made $32 million from its teams last year. that's all football. it's frightening to think jerry sandusky found many of his victims in a place that was set up to be a safe haven for underprunde underprivileged boys. sandusky was an a integral part from the beginning. this is him talking about the goals of the organization. >> we thought if we could help a handful of kids, we would do that. then the staff and people have looked at resources we had, at the needs that existed and grown and reached out and touched so many kids. >> sandusky remained a part of second mile until 2008. nfl hall of famer frank o'hara played football for sandusky at penn state. he's been an honorary board

member with second mile for more than a decade. thanks again for coming back on. there's a lot i want to ask you. first, just to explain, when you say honorary board member, what did that mean your actual involvement was? did you have to go to meetings? were you aware, for example, of what happened in 2002 or in 2008 when the charity said that mr. sandusky could not spends time with the children? >> as an honorary board member, it's usually just by name only. you don't go to any board meetings. you're list on their letterhead so donors and people who give money and hopefully kids could see it to build up the pr for that charity. but there is no involvement in management or on any board that makes any decisions. >> do you, looking back on it now, feel differently about how boards work? i can understand how having your na name on it would help donors give or help kids come.

at this point, you probably also feel a little strange about it. >> well, it still comes as a shock to us about jerry. he reached far and wide. people that were very, very close to him just had no clue. when you work hard to get involved with programs that helps kids, there's some things you can do. there's some things you can't control. we all believed in what jerry was doing. i mean, the second mile is a great program. it helps thousands and thousands of kids a year. it has changed a lot of lives. but unfortunately, we did have a predator that you talked about earlier. it's very unfortunate that this organization was -- that is part of this. >> you talked with me earlier this week about joe paterno

earlier in the night he lost his position as head coach. you defended him that night saying you thought he should be able to stay on. obviously, he was removed. how do you feel now? do you think it's the right decision given that now we learned he heard such an explicit rendition of what happened in the shower with the rape of the 10-year-old boy and did not go to police? >> well, i'm still upset about the decision. i thought it was, you know, an easy, convenient decision on many fronts. when you look at what happened -- and we talked about what happened many times where joe did his legal duty. like the grand jury is a legal entity. it's not a moral entity. mike and joe did their legal

requirement. i stand by that. he did the right thing. the big question now is going to be, you know, have they ever found that 10-year-old boy? when they go to court, that's going to be a tough situation there. so we're hoping that people will come forward in this case. >> all right. franco, thank you very much. for those of you watching, there have been reports that a lot of other people have been calling law enforcement in pennsylvania with reports of other abuse, but we still have the eight boys right now that have formally been involved. former nhl player sheldon kennedy was abused from the age of 14 to 19 by his youth hockey coach. he came forward in 1996. he's an advocate against sexual abuse. he joins us tonight as we. sheldon, thanks very much to you. as we have learned more today, do you think so far the school is doing right thing or not? >> absolutely.

i think they had to take a stand, erin. they had to, you know, get rid of anybody that had any type of involvement with this. my thing is that they've got an opportunity to, you know, take a negative situation and really turn it into a positive situation because i think what their expectation is. i mean, they have the ability now to reach out and help millions of kids in the country. >> sheldon, how many kids did you think are involved? i know last night when we were talking, martha cokely said usually when you have an abuser, it's hundreds. you've gone through this in the context of highly competitive sports, being abused by a coach. what do you think is possible here? >> well, i know that in my case, in the investigation, the police figured anywhere from 75 to 150 kids. in their investigation. i know that the fbi studies say the average pedophile affects

over 100 kids before they're caught, if they're caught. i think if we look at the situation, i think that we could be in the hundreds. you know, the odds of all of them coming forward are probably not great, but there will be more. i'm positive. i'm thinking that because of this case, there's going to be more victims coming forward across the country, which is a good thing. >> yeah, it is a good thing. all right. well, thank you very much, sheldon kennedy, for being with us again. >> yeah, thank you, erin. i appreciate it. a new poll has herman cain leading the gop despite the controversy surrounding his campaign. we're going to talk about that. and the unlikely, amazing number two. and italy close to passing an austerity package. is this really the end of silvio berlusconi. and serious, what's the way to get good press? write it yourself.

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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, we focus in our own reporting and do the "outfront" front. first up, federal investigators are looking into the potential safety of lithium ion batteries. these are the batteries with power electric cars. investigators became concerned after a battery in a chevy volt caught fire three weeks after a crash test. here's the thing. despite all the advertising and celebrities saying it's cool to drive these cars, we looked at number, and it doesn't seem to be the truth. less than 1% of those company's total sales. number two, the plan just picked to lead an independent investigation into the handling of the war debt has quit. a senior pentagon official told

cnn tonight this should not affect the probe. richard carmona stepped down so he could run for an arizona senate seat. they haven't said who will take over. number three, as we predicted earlier this week, call of duty, modern warfare three, is on its way to setting an entertainment industry record. they announced 6.5 million games were sold in the first 24 hours. video game analysts said the game could sell 20 million games by the end of year. that equals more than $1 billion in revenue, which would be a record. number four, "outfront" has learned that president obama called the co-chairs of the super committee today telling them a deal must be reached. democratic senator patty murray received phone calls from the president. we're told mr. obama told them

each side must make hard choices. the committee of 12 days to decide. it's been 98 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? if you did not know, this is amazing. colleges have debt and are rated. penn state has debt. the scandal has caused their debt to be put on review. they will monitor the reputational and financial effects of the events there. that feeds all the way through to things like tuition. at this hour, students at penn state are getting ready for a vigil of the victims of the child rape scandal, which has rocked the university. even though head coach joe paterno has been fired, the school still has a football game to play tomorrow against nebraska. for some perspective on the game, the football program, and the culture of impunity that led to this point, we're joined from

state college pennsylvania by andy staples, college football writer for sports illustrated. andy, really appreciate you taking the time. i wanted to ask you, i guess, a question first of all about the mood and what you're sensing there. obviously, there was violence earlier this week. now everyone is saying play this game in honor of child abuse victims. what's the feeling on campus right now? >> it's weird. you know, i cover a big game pretty much every week. there's the same number of people in town. there's the same type of stuff going on. it's just kind of a different mood. for example, i was in tuscaloosa last week before the alabama, lsu game. the place was absolutely buzzing. everyone was having a great time. here, it's just a little different. people are quieter. maybe a little more somber. they're just trying to take in everything that's happened. people really don't know how to react. >> what is your reaction to a couple of the big headlines? we're asking some of these questions that are just hanging out there. i wanted to ask you about mike mcqueary, who is now on

administrative leave. the school said they couldn't even ensure his security if he were to coach tomorrow. he is the one, though, who saw the graphic rape in 2002 by jerry sandusky of what he described at the time of about a 10-year-old boy. mcmcqueary is on paid leave. do you think that's -- what are you hearing in terms of reaction to that? is that the right thing? should he have been completely fired? >> well, everybody wants him to be completely fired. you look at what he did, he basically ran away and ran it up the flag pole. when nothing happened, he didn't do anything. he saw the guy again and again and again and again and didn't do anything. but penn state's interim president said today that there's some complexities, was the word he used, with the firing of mike mcqueary. my guess would be he may be protected by a whistleblower law in pennsylvania. it's an interesting deal. obviously, they're beginning to get sued by the families of these victims.

you think, what's another lawsuit? throw it on the pile. but this is a weird one. mike mcqueary knows a lot. one thing they may also be considering is, if he gets fired, he may blab to the media. >> well, it's amazing to me that in the state of pennsylvania it is not a crime to not report child abuse to the authorities, which hopefully is something that's going to change as a result of this. andy, before we go, there's only been one other time in american history that a football program has been shut down. that was because of violations of ncaa laws at smu. what about shutting down the penn state football program to make a point about being quiet and covering things up? is that something anyone is talking about? >> i don't think that would solve anything. some people have mentioned it, but it's just crazy to think about -- first of all, these players had nothing to do with that. this is 100-something kids that are just going to school. they were in middle school when the incident happened. they were in elementary school when the 1998 investigation into

sandusky happened. they had nothing to do this, so don't punish them. don't punish the alumni and fans who take so much zwrjoy out of this. also, penn state football might fall into the too big to fail category. this is a huge revenue generator. >> all right. thank you very much, andy. we appreciate it. it is a huge revenue generator. compare that number of revenue of $72 million to the overall gifts, only $170 million. just gives you a sense of perspective. we're now going to our political play of the day. a look inside the presidential war rooms. we're lucky. john worked inside the rudy giuliani campaign. saw the war room there. it's been a wild week for herman cain. he was accused of sexual harassment. when the dust has settle, he's leading. he's raised a lot of money. what do you think? >> he's raised over $2 million

since these allegations came out. we're going to call it foul and flop. you see it in sports a lot. a player commits a flagrant foul and flops on want grounds. in sports, they're going for points. in politics, they're going for money. herman cain raised almost as much money since these allegations came out as he did in the entire last quarter. you go on the web right now in and type in herman cain sexual harassment, you get an ad that comes up saying the truth about herman cain and a plea to donate. >> that's amazing. what are some recent precedents for this? he's not the first to play the card. >> he's not. here are two classics. remember joe wilson, south carolina congressman who shouted you lie at president obama? >> the reforms i'm proposing would not a pli to those who are here illegal. >> that's a lie! >> harsh moment. >> the only thing that eclipse

is maybe the look on nancy pelosi's face. >> epically bad moment. he apologizes. he's admonished by his colleagues. something happens. in 48 hours, joe wilson raises $1 million. he puts up an ad saying joe's under attack. help him fight back. great example. hall of fame example, we've got to give credit where credit is due. michele bachmann. she's built a political career off irresponsible statements saying president obama is bringing tyranny to the nation, running a gangster government. well, those statements were so effective, she raised $13.5 million off them online. so that is an example of how you play this sort of sick new twist on politics where you throw a flagrant foul and make a lot of money off. . >> john is staying with us. amazing how throwing a foul, playing the victim -- you know, i think all of us at some point

did that. all right. hoping that someone else will get the yellow card. you turn a profit. but herman cain has come out still on the top of the latest cbs poll. if you take a look here, cain still at 18%. undecided, though, 17%. that, perhaps, is equally as important. so many of the republicans are still undecided or say 14% want someone else. that's one key thing. two is people don't like anybody in the field. three is newt gingrich is now tied with mitt romney for second place. that's amazing. they're in full force mode. the gingrich campaign just sent an e-mail saying, guess what, biggest fund raising day ever was after the debate this week. let's bring in bob strom and eric erickson. okay. good to have both of you here. eric, let me start with you. the poll taken after the allegations surfaced, but it was still a few days ago with can cain sustain this lead? >> no, i don't think he can.

in fact, i've been on the phone this afternoon with people who work directly for herman begging me to -- i'm close to herman. begging me or people i know to have an intervention with him to fire some of his staff. these people say they're making it worse. if you take the average of the polling over the last three weeks, you've seen gingrich and perry going back up as cain's going down. the biggest shocker is that mitt romney has still flat lined. he's frozen in the polls. >> bob, let me ask you about that. what about this rise of newt gingrich? >> look, they've been look for the un-romney for a long time. eric wrote a blog the other day that i wouldn't agree with him on issues, but completely right in its analysis of romney. he's not authentically conservative. he's out there trying to become president according to a business plan. doesn't seem to believe in anything but himself. newt gingrich is the next up as the un-romney. republican pros, some of whom i

know and talk to, tell me they're terrified of the thought of him being the nominee. they think he's a sure loser. but, you know, this is going to go on for a little while. i think in the end it is rom fee. i think eric was right about that with he wrote it. i think it is romney. romney's getting collateral damage in this process. there's a new ppp poll in ohio. as he goes through this process, people in the general electorate are coming to doubt his authenticity. >> wow. >> that's a serious implication. on top of the 25% ceiling that mitt romney's got, he can't seem to break above it. you really look at this poll. first of all, it's amazing herman cain is still on top, but his numbers have been cut in half among women. >> that's right. now 15%. plunge. >> that's a plunge. that is a sign of things to come. mitt romney's numbers going down too inexplicably as newt

gingrich rises. as newt gets stronger, all the other campaigns are going to release the hounds. >> rick santorum is the only one who hasn't had a surge. >> probably not going to. in the past 48 hours, i've gotten so many. e-mails of research on newt gingrich already. >> it's unfortunately what happens. all right. thanks to all three. appreciate it. now let's check in with anderson. what do you have tonight? >> erin, we're keeping them honest tonight on 360. we're going to keep up with the latest on the penn state and child sex abuse scandal. i have an interview with a psychologist who is helping young man known as victim number one, the young man who was heroic in coming forward and starting this whole investigation. we're going to dig deeper into who knew what when. plus, the bloodshed in syria is escalating. government forces killing at least two dozen civilians just today. we're going to speak with unincredibly brave man inside

the country are ri who says this is the first time in his adult lif life he's been able to hear his own voice speaking freely. and since gaby giffords was shot in the head, tonight, new information about her health. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. >> thanks, anderson. see you then. still "outfront" tonight, italy's austerity package going to pass. does this mean silvio berlusconi is really going to leave us? and it's been more than a month since lisa irwin disappeared from her home. her attorney comes out to explain what he thinks happened. and it's veterans day. we're going to talk about a foundation set up to help them get jobs. [ male announcer ] tom's discovering that living healthy can be fun.

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we do this at the same time every night, our outer circle. tonight, we begin in syria where activists say 37 people have been killed by security forces in another bloody day of crackdowns. the arab league is expected hold an emergency needing tomorrow. could the arab league help put an end to the violation? syria? >> erin, it's likely unlikely. nine days ago, the arab league did get syria to sign on to an action plan to diffuse the

crisis, but little has been done to implement it. today, dozens of people were killed around syria. the action plan seems to have faded into complete irrelevance. it's also important to keep one thing in mind. the arab league is composed of dictatorships, which themselves would be loathe to implement the kind of reforms they're asking of the syrians. if there is any light at the end of the syrian tunnel, it's not going to come from the arab league. erin. >> all right, ben. well, next to italy. prime minister silvio berlusconi will reportedly resign tomorrow once the austerity measure has pass. matthew, what will italy be like without berlusconi? >> it may look a little less colorful place. silvio berlusconi has been a controversial italian prime minister, to say the least. dogged by sex scandals and legal battles. he's been devicive in his police

call life. erin. >> all right. thank you. now to the united kingdom where in the this famous wedding dress, but another dress of the dut dutchess of windsor for what it might have concealed. what's fuelling the chatter about a possible pregnancy now? >> this latest rounds of speculation comes from an event last night where the duchess was wearing a grecian-style dress. you couldn't tell if she was showing or not. certainly nothing substantive. >> that poor girl. thank you very much. well, baby lisa ere win, the missouri infant missing since october 4, turns one today. there's no celebrating because her whereabouts are still

unknown. last night, her half brothers were interviewed by child counselors. meanwhile, attorneys for baby lisa's parents say they have been unfairly targeted as suspecteds. just before the show, i spoke with their attorney, joe tacopina. i asked him where the case stands now and whether he thinks the baby is still alive. >> deborah and jeremy believe that lisa is still alive. the fact that they haven't found one shred of evidence, no blood, no dna, no anything, and they've searched repeatedly dozens and dozens of times in the vicinity of the home. maybe there's some home. that's what i have to hold on to. that's what they're holding on to. they believe lisa is still alive. we're hopeful this is one of those cases that turns up with a happy resolution. >> i want to ask you, you have a theory of what might have happened or something we need to look into. >> there's evidence that's out there, plenty of it. investigators are feeding us information.

our investigators have uncovered things. witnesses have come forward. if you look at this one individual, this individual called tanko. he goes by jersey. >> he's a repairman. >> often homeless, stayed in the neighborhood. sometimes a drifter. 11:30 that night, this individuals got off of work within three blocks of the irwi resident. at 11:57 that night, well after deborah was asleep, the house was dark, deborah's cell phone which goes missing with baby lisa makes a call to megan wright, the woman we see on tv with the pink hair. >> the girlfriend of jersey. >> and come to find he's the on again, off again girlfriend of jersey. this call is made to megan wright at 11:57. now, deborah doesn't know megan wright, megan wright doesn't know deborah. we've checked deborah's cell phone from inception. it's never called megan wright before. so 11:57 that night, 25 minutes, 30 minutes after jersey is off

of work, it calls megan wright's cell phone. 15 minutes after that, two independent witnesses, a husband and wife couple driving, identify an individual who has characteristics similar to jersey, okay. this individual, jersey, carrying a baby with a diaper on. at 2:00 we see this grainy gas station video of an individual -- >> some of you are viewers may be familiar with. we'll show it to you again. there's a man that you can see on the side that we've shown there, right, that's what you're referring to, correct? >> and the police and fbi have looked at it. it's a man going from the gas station into a wooded area. within the vicinity of that gas station, a dumpster is put on fire at about 2:15, 2:30 a.m. in the dumpster they recover some burnt clothes. those burnt clothes, by the way, they show to deborah bradley, lisa's mom, during the interrogation of her. that spot, by the way, that green dumpster we're looking at, a month earlier megan wright's car was set on fire there the day after she broke up with

jersey. not too far from that location at about 4:00, 4:10 a.m., mike thompson, a third independent witness identifies a man matching the physical characteristics of jersey carrying a baby with a diaper on. now, is it really that difficult to understand what's going on here? >> so why is your version -- i mean obviously you lay it out. that's your point of view, it seems very clear. >> that's the witnesses. it's not my version. it's witnesses, videotapes, phone records. >> so what does the kansas city police department said to you when you come and lay this out? >> okay, we'll look at everything. i mean they have not -- the problem is, you know, i am not a criminal defense attorney in this case. i am a victim's advocate attorney. i represent two parents who had their child abducted, okay. for some reason from jump street, some of the initial interrogation from the kcpd, not necessarily the fbi but the kansas city police department accused deborah within the first hour. >> well, they indicated that she wasn't cooperating or being as cooperating. >> no, no, within the first

hour, erin. they actually said to her, you know, we know you did this as she's on the floor trembling, please find my baby, they start accusing her of murder. the last time -- and by the way, not cooperative, she spoke to them five times, a total of about 19 hours, erin, answered every question. 19 hours. what other questions -- she has nothing to add as to what happened to lisa. she doesn't know. >> all right, joe, thanks very much. >> thank you. so today is veterans day and we are joined by two men who are really making a difference helping disabled vets find jobs. we'll be back. an online virus has never attacked a corkboard. ♪ give your customers the added feeling of security a printed statement or receipt provides... ...with mail. it's good for your business. ♪ and even better for your customers. ♪ for safe and secure ways to stay connected, visit usps.com/mail

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on this veterans day, we're thinking about the troops, especially those who come home disabled. there's a special foundation called wall street war fighters which was founded by the financial services firm drexel hamilton to help those vets find really good jobs. i spoke to two vets who now work there an went through the program and i asked them how it works and why it was started. >> this is really about veterans helping themselves, right, and that's what we teach you in the military. it's mission driven, mission oriented, drive through the wall, complete the mission. for us, the mission is employment of disabled veterans, a group who has an unemployment rate about twice that of the national average, right. a group who is ever growing with the conflict that we're currently in. about one in four veterans who

have served since 9/11 are service disabled. that's a pretty stark number, especially given the contrast, which is 13% historically, so we're yielding twice as many disabled veterans in this conflict than any other point in our military history. this is about facilitating meaningful employment for disabled veterans. it's one thing to give a veteran the capacity to take home a paycheck so they can provide for the families. it's something much more to allow them to bring home their dignity with that paycheck, right, so that they know they have earned their paycheck. that's what we're trying to do specifically in the financial services industry. >> john, you were injured by an ied in iraq. >> correct. >> and did you ever think you'd now be going through a program like this and working on wall street? >> no, actually i never did. it's pretty incredible. >> so tell me, when you were injured, how did you make the decision to come to this? how did you even find out about

a program like this? >> funny story. i was at a job event in san antonio and i ran into a friend of mine who we served -- we were in the hospital together. he's a fellow amputee and i saw him behind the table as one of the employers. it said wall street war fighters on the top and i had no idea what it was, i had never heard of it. i sat down and started talking to him. we caught up and he said, hey, this sounds like a program that might fit you. you get to go out and you get introduced to the entire finance industry. is it something you'd be interested in. so it sounded interesting. headed up to the war street war fighters and now i'm here with cal. >> it was a program of a couple of months. >> in three phases. the first phase is kind of introduction and orientation, so we visited some of the larger firms, you saw the trading desk, the federal reserve, just all the different little aspects. there's also licensing. so when we come out of the program, we're completely