really slow. what's the score in the red wings game? >> oh, the red wings score. the caller a police officer who confiscated the pot from suspects and the guy who called 911 about his phone not working is due in court next week. we called the number to ask for comment but not surprisingly got no answer. thank you for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com herman cain and newt gingrich are now in his way as perry and the bottom line on the penn state child rape scandal. mcqueary on paid leave. joe paterno out as coach and a super committee set up to

investigate. that's our hour. let's go "outfront." >> "outfront" tonight, breaking news, a big day for the markets. the dow up 260 points, just shy of that, all three of the major indices back in positive territory for the year. the trading volume was light. it was veterans day but better than expected data in terms of american consumer sentiment and positive news out of europe was enough to encourage toward to buy. it's a big number. we wanted to highlight it. it has been six days since penn state university was rocked by child rape charges by jerry sandusky. they spoke out saying the university is dealing with the situation. assistant coach mike mcqueary who first reported witnessing the sexual abuse to joe paterno in 2002 has been put on paid administrative leave.

a special committee has been set up to investigate sexual abuse on campus. penn state will play football tomorrow as a sign of support of for the victims. and they hired an attorney for joe paterno. >> joe paterno has left tremendous legacy at penn state over many years. i'm sure that in due course the university will find a way to recognize that, but now is not the right time to get in to any specifics on that. >> there are a lot of questions, though, out this. we want to answer as many as we can tonight. we will be covering this through the the hour. we have cnn senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin and mike galanos and the professor who runs the penn state communications

department who teaches a class called joe paterno, communications and the media. he started to cover penn state football in 1979. okay. jeff, toobining i want to start with you. looking at the headlines that came out today, you have a well-known respected attorney now confirmed that joe paterno has hired an attorney. why lawyer up? >> it's the only prudent thing to do. this criminal investigation is probably closer to the beginning than the end. new witnesses are coming forward. apparently new victims are coming forward. the attorney general, when she made her announcement, said joe paterno wasn't going to be charged. that doesn't mean he's not going to be charge down the line. plus, you have the absolute certainty of many civil lawsuits by these victims, by their families. he's going to neetd a lawyer for those. he's going to keep that lawyer busy. doesn't mean he did anything wrong, but he should have have a lawyer. >> professor, what's your take on this after teaching a class, as you have, for all these years? is this going to truly crack, if

not permanently ruin a legacy he has worked many decades to build? >> well, it's been a crazy week, so i appreciate the thought. i'm not head of the communications department, but i'm working on it. as far as joe's reputation, obviously crack is a good word. i think we'll have to wait and see how much it's really going to impact that. the media obviously will have a huge role in that. right now, they're trying to find a lot of dings, that's for sure. >> all right. i'm curious as to your view, professor, about one thing that really has stood out. there's been allegations and incidents that have happened right over the past 15, 20 years. but this spring, the grand jury came out with a set of results. they were talking about all these things that jerry sandusky was alleged to have done. but no one covered it in the national media. why? >> why wasn't it covered by the national media? >> yeah, what's your thought as

to why? >> i think part of why joe has always liked it here. it's a tough place to get to. access is really, really difficult whether you're local or national media. i think paterno's reputation is so strong that outside of this area, even the national folks in new york and l.a. and across the country, really have bought into that image. for the most part, that image is true. they didn't think there was fire where there was smoke. >> obviously, it appears on some level there has been. mike galanos, let me ask you about one of the big issues today, which is why is penn state going to be playing football tomorrow? >> the president somewhat addressed that. that was a question that came to that. you got the feeling there was a discussion of whether or not they should continue to play football. as the press conference went on, it sounded like football is going to be a way for us to move forward. the world is going to be watching. really urged the students to act

to show penn state is strong. obviously a lot different from what we saw the mayhem in the streets a few nights ago. >> mike, do you know where jerry sandusky is? obviously, he posted bail. >> i talked to somebody who actually knows him and spoke to him, but this was a couple weeks ago, pre-scandal. said he saw him at the grocery store. never would have thought anything was coming down the pike. since that time, we heard he's in hiding. he's not been seen, that i know of, anyway. i'll speak for some of the sources i've talked to. >> jeff toobin. >> i don't understand why he is out on bail frankly. if you look for the standards at what judges think about, risk of flight and danger to the community. if i were jerry sandusky, i'd be looking to get out of dodge. it's a very weird world where conrad murray is detained and not allowed to go. sandusky can go anywhere he wants. he's been ordered to keep away from kids, but that doesn't have

much impact. >> clearly it doesn't. let me ask you, what do think the punishment be? hold on, one second. what will the punishment be, jeff. >> if he's convicted? >> he will never get out of jail. >> life. >> he's a 67-year-old man. this is a very serious crime, to say the least. he'll never get out of prison. another reason why he shouldn't be out on bail. >> right. mike galanos, was that you jumping? >> it was the professor. >> erin, he is out and about in dodge. there's been a lot of reports in the past two days from people i know, very credible reports. he's been seen a lot of places in town. >> that is amazing in and of itself. >> it's astounding. >> it is. >> it's incredible. >> how many people do you think -- >> i think it goes to the heart of his mind set about this whole thing. >> jeff toobin, how many people do you think will go to jail here? there are people who saw these horrible acts or were directly told about them by people who saw them.

>> only three people have been charged so far. sandusky, who is going to prison forever if he's convicted. the two administrators, the athletic director and vice president. those are unusual crimes. particularly the crime of failure to report. not a lot of people go to prison for that. they are also charged with perjury. i would imagine the magnitude of this case they would go to prison if convicted. but i think it is a close question. as for anyone else, i think it is just too soon to tel tell. >> mike galanos, i'm curious about the security situation on campus given there was violence the other night, given there's debate over whether they should play. what is it like there? >> they've told us, erin, they've beefed up security for the game. everyone saying, let's not act like what we saw, those wild students a few nights ago. security's beefed up. we do not know what kind of atmosphere it's going to be.

i've talked to people who are going to the game and they say it will be weird. a different atmosphere as they go to the game. how will people respond? football's the backdrop, but after the scandal, who knows? >> all right. gentlemen, thanks very much to all three of you. we appreciate it. "outfront" next, a second mile foundation. that's the non-profit organization serving the youth where jerry sandusky met his alleged victims. an honorary board member of that group is nfl member frank o'hara. he's with us again tonight. former nhl player sheldon kennedy, a victim of abuse himself, joins us to talk about these children and what happens to them next. we're also going to be talking about big questions with mike mcqueary, the guy who saw what happened in the locker room. explicit sexual act. only been put on paid administrative leave. is that right? we talk about that. and it's been more than a month since the decision appearance of lisa irwin. that's the baby who's been missing for a movant.

that's how many millions penn state football team made in profits. when you look at all of the sports at the end of the day the athletic department only made $32 million from the teams last year, so you can see that is all football. it is frightening to think that jerry sandusky found many of his victims in a place that was set up to be a safe haven for under privileged boys. the second mile charity was established in 1977.

this is him talking about the goals of the organization. >> we thought if we could help a handful of kids, we would do that. then the staff and people have looked at resources we had, at the needs that existed and grown and reached out and touched so many kids. >> sandusky remained a part of second mile until 2008. nfl hall of famer frank o'hara played football for sandusky at penn state. he's been an honorary board member with second mile for more than a decade. he's "outfront" with us tonight. thank you for coming back on. there's a lot i want to ask, but first, just to explain, when you say honorary board member, what did that mean your actual involvement was? did you have to go to meetings? were you aware of what happened in 2002 or in 2008 when the charity said that mr. sandusky could not spend time with the children? >> as an honorary board member it is usually by name only. you don't go to board meetings. your listed on their letter

head. so donors and people who give money and hopefully kids could see it to build up the pr for that charity. but there's no involvement in management or on any board that makes any decisions. >> do you, looking back on it now, feel differently about how boards work. i can understand how having your name on it would help kids come or donors give but i'm sure at this point you feel a little strange about it. >> well, it still comes as a shock to us about jerry. he reached far and wide. people that were very, very close to him just had no clue. when you work hard to get involved with program that helps kids, there's somethings you can do and some things you can't control. we all believed in what jerry

was doing. the second mile is a great program. it helps thousands and thousands of kids a year, and it has changed a lot of lives, but unfortunately, we did have a predator that you talked about earlier. and it's very unfortunate that this organization was -- that it is part of this. >> franco, you talked to me earlier this week about joe paterno before -- actually earlier in the night that he lost his position as head coach and you defended him that night saying you thought he should be able to the stay on. obviously within hours he was removed. how do you feel now? do you think it is the right decision now given we heard he heard an explicit rendition of what happened in the shower with the rape of the 10-year-old boy and did not go to the police? >> well, i'm still upset about the decision.

i thought it was -- a convenient decision on many fronts. when you look at what happened and we talked about what happened many times where joe did his legal duty. the grand jury is a legal entity. it is not a moral entity. and mike and joe did their legal requirement. like i stand by that. he did the right thing. and the big question now is going to be, have they ever found that 10-year-old boy because when they go to court that's going to be a tough situation there. and so we are hoping that people will come forward in this case. >> all right. franco, thank you very much. for those watching, there have been reports that a lot of people have been calling law enforcement in pennsylvania with reports of other abuse, but we

still have the eight boys right now that have formally been involved. former nhl player kennedy was abused by his hockey coach. he came forward in 1996. he is an advocate. do you think that so far the school is doing the right thing or not? >> absolutely. i think they had to take a stand, erin. they had to get rid of anybody that had any involvement with this, and my thing is that they have an opportunity to, you know, take a negative situation and really turn it in to a positive situation because i think that's what their expectation is. they have the ability now to reach out and help millions of kids in the country. >> sheldon, how many kids do you think are involved? i know last night when we were

talking, martha coakley, who prosecuted catholic priest in boston said when you have an abuser it is usually hundreds. you have been abused by a coach. what do you think is possible here? >> well, i know that in my case, in the investigation, the police figured there were 75 to 150 kids in their investigation. i know the fbi studies say that the average pedophile affects over 100 kids before they are caught, if they are caught. i think if we look at the situation, i think we could be in the hundreds. you know, the odds of all of them coming forward are probably not great, but there will be more i'm positive. and i'm thinking because of this case there's going to be more victims coming forward across the country, which is a good thing. >> it is a good thing. thank you very much, sheldon kennedy, for being with us again. >> yeah, thank you, erin.

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stories but this one is more seriously. the desert connect, a freelance service in utah wrote a dozen stories bay reporter. the stories which were picked up and published by the the desert news and utah's ksl.com focused on west valley city, utah and quoted the city's mayor mike winder. there is one problem, peter berwash was actually mike mayor winder. the mayor was so worried the press about his city was negative he invented a fake persona to write positive stories. he sent e-mail as richard and posed as him on the phone and let his sister write one of the stories. representatives for the duped newspaper say the articles were factually accurate except for the by line and they spawned an

positive image without fail. mike winder has been suggested as a possible candidate for the mayor. that's a promotion. he introduced a transparency standard for his city's government. seriously. in case you are wondering, that photo supposedly of richard berwash, the mayor found it on google images. it belongs to peter berwash, not richard. she a canadian coach and motivational speaker help is an author about ten books a about tennis. as far as we can tell, the mayor mike winder didn't write any of them. seriously. still "outfront," the "outfront" five. >> what are you doing to me? >> i need your help now. >> foul and flop. >> this happens in sports all the time. see a player throw a flagrant foul. benched --

>> assistant coach mike mcqueary has been placed on administrative leave. he will not be coaching or attending tomorrow's game. >> there is evidence out there, plenty of it. >> where's baby lisa. >> maybe there's some hope. >> all of this "outfront" our second half.

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first up, federal investigators are looking into the potential safety of lithium ion batteries. these are the batteries with power electric cars. investigators became concerned after a battery in a chevy volt caught fire three weeks after a crash test. here's the thing. despite all the advertising and celebrities saying it's cool to drive these cars, we looked at number, and it doesn't seem to be the truth. less than 1% of those company's total sales. number two, the plan just picked to lead an independent investigation into the handling of the war dead has quit. a senior pentagon official told cnn tonight this should not affect the probe. richard carmona stepped down so he could run for an arizona senate seat. they haven't said who will take over. number three, as we predicted earlier this week, call of duty, modern warfare three, is on its way to setting an entertainment

industry record. activision, the maker of the game, announced 6.5 million games were sold in the first 24 hours. video game analysts told us the game could sell 20 million by the end of the year. that equals $1 billion in revenue, which would be a record. number four, "outfront" learned that president obama called the coshare chairs of the super committee today telling them a deal must be reached. democratic senator patty murray received phone calls from the president. we're told mr. obama told them each side must make hard choices. the committee of 12 days to decide. it's been 98 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? if you did not know, this is amazing. colleges have debt and are rated.

by the credit rating agencies, too. penn state has debt. the scandal has caused their debt to be put on review. for potential downgrade. they will monitor the reputational and financial effects of the events there. that feeds all the way through to things like tuition. at this hour, students at penn state are getting ready for a vigil of the victims of the child rape scandal, which has rocked the university. even though head coach joe paterno has been fired, the school still has a football game to play tomorrow against nebraska. for some perspective on the game, the football program, and the culture of impunity that led to this point, we're joined from state college pennsylvania by andy staples, college football writer for sports illustrated. andy, really appreciate you taking the time. i wanted to ask you, i guess, a question first of all about the mood and what you're sensing there. obviously, there was violence earlier this week. now everyone is saying play this game in honor of child abuse victims. what's the feeling on campus right now?

>> it's weird. you know, i cover a big game pretty much every week. there's the same number of people in town. there's the same type of stuff going on. it's just kind of a different mood. for example, i was in tuscaloosa last week before the alabama, lsu game. the place was absolutely buzzing. everyone was having a great time. here, it's just a little different. people are quieter. maybe a little more somber. they're just trying to take in everything that's happened. people really don't know how to react. >> what is your reaction to a couple of the big headlines? we're asking some of these questions that are just hanging out there. i wanted to ask you about mike mcqueary, who is now on administrative leave. the school said they couldn't even ensure his security if he were to coach tomorrow. he is the one, though, who saw the graphic rape in 2002 by jerry sandusky of what he described at the time of about a 10-year-old boy. mike mcqueary is on paid leave. do you think that's -- what are you hearing in terms of reaction to that? is that the right thing? should he have been completely fired?

>> well, everybody wants him to be completely fired. you look at what he did, he basically ran away and ran it up the flag pole. when nothing happened, he didn't do anything. he saw the guy again and again and again and again and didn't do anything. but penn state's interim president said today that there's some complexities, was the word he used, with the firing of mike mcqueary. my guess would be he may be protected by a whistleblower law in pennsylvania. there may be a situation where they are worried about exposing penn state to another lawsuit. it's an interesting deal. obviously, they're beginning to get sued by the families of these victims. you think, what's another lawsuit? throw it on the pile. but this is a weird one. mike mcqueary knows a lot. one thing they may also be considering is, if he gets fired, he may blab to the media. and it could get really interesting then. >> well, it's amazing to me that in the state of pennsylvania it is not a crime to not report child abuse to the authorities, which hopefully is something that's going to change as a result of this. andy, before we go, there's only

been one other time in american history that a football program has been shut down. that was because of violations of ncaa laws at smu. what about shutting down the penn state football program to make a point about being quiet and covering things up? is that something anyone is talking about? >> i don't think that would solve anything. some people have mentioned it, but it's just crazy to think about -- first of all, these players had nothing to do with that. this is 100-something kids that are just going to school. they were in middle school when when the mcqueary sandusky incident happened. they were in elementary school when the 1998 investigation into sandusky happened. they had nothing to do this, so don't punish them. don't punish the alumni and fans who take so much joy out of this. also, economically, penn state football may fall in that too big to fail cat goimplt last year they reported to the federal government they made $72 million off of football. this is a huge revenue generator. >> all right. thank you very much, andy. we appreciate it. it is a huge revenue generator. compare that number of revenue

of $72 million to the overall gifts to the penn state endowment of only 170 million. just gives you a sense of perspective. we're now going to our political play of the day. a look inside the presidential war rooms. we're lucky. the john avalon that you see here every day night worked inside of rudy giuliani's campaign, saw the war room there. i'm sure there was a lot of war going on. >> there was. >> it has been a wild week for herman cain. he is accused of sexual harassment but he is leading. he's raised a lot of money. what do you think. >> he has raised over $2 million since the allegations came out. we're going to call it foul and flop. you see it in sports a lot. a player commits a flagrant foul and flops on want grounds. they play the victim card. in sports, they're going for points. in politics, they're going for money. it is proving very effective. herman cain raised almost as much money since these allegations came out as he did in the entire last quarter. you go on the web right now in

and type in herman cain sexual harassment, you get an ad that comes up saying the truth about herman cain and a plea to donate. >> that's amazing. >> that is one example of the foul an flop. >> that's pretty amazing. what are some recent precedents for this? he's not the first to play the card. >> he's not. here are two classics. remember joe wilson, south carolina congressman who shouted you lie at president obama? >> the reforms i'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegal. >> harsh moment. >> the only thing that eclipse is maybe the look on nancy pelosi's face. >> epically bad moment. he apologizes. he's admonished by his colleagues. something happens. in 48 hours, joe wilson raises $1 million. he puts up an ad saying joe's under attack. help him fight back. great example. he's making money off of this thing. fall of fame example.

we have to give credit where credit is due. michele bachmann. she has built a political career off of irresponsible statements saying president obama is bringing tyranny to the nation, running a gangster government. well, those statements were so effective, she raised $13.5 million off them online. so that is an example of how you play this sort of sick new twist on politics where you throw a flagrant foul and make a lot of money off. she more than any other congressman. that's how you play the sick new twist on politics where you can throw a flagrant foul and make a lot of money on-line. >> john avalon is staying with us. amazing how playing the victim, i think all of us at some point did that. like oh, hoping that someone else will get the yellow card. you turn a profit. but herman cain has come out on the top of the latest cbs poll. if you look here, cain is 18%. undecided 17%. that perhaps is equally as important. so many of the republicans are still undecide or say 14% want someone else.

that's one key thing. cain is still in the lead. people don't like anybody in the field and three is newt gingrich is now tied with mitt romney for second place. that's amazing. and they are in full-force mode. the gingrich campaign just sent an e-mail saying biggest fund-raising day was after the debate this week. there you have it. let's bring in bob strom and editor of red state.com. eric, let me start with you. the poll obviously taken after allegations surfaced but a few days ago. can cain sustain this lead? >> no. i don't think he can. in fact, erin, i have been on the phone this afternoon with people who directly work for herman. i am close to herm and are begging people to have an intervenge with him to fire some of his staff. the people who are working for him say they are making it worse. his polling has gone down. if you take the average of polling you have seen gingrich and rick perry going up as cain

is going down. the biggest shocker is mitt romney is flat lining. he is frozen in the polls, the most consistent thing in the past year. >> what about this rise up newt gingrich? >> well, they have been looking for the unromney for a long time. and erik wrote a blog that is right about his analysis of romney. he is not authentically conservative. he is out there trying to become president on a business plan. doesn't seem to believe in anything other than himself. newt gingrich is the next up as the unromney. the republican pros, some of whom i know and talk to are terrified of him being the nominee. they think he is a sure loser. but this is going to go on for a while. i think in the enit is romney. i think erik is right about that when he wrote it. but romney is getting collateral damage in the process. not only are conservatives are resisting him but there is a

poll in ohio. people are doubting his awe then 'tiscy. he's 48 unfavorable in ohio and you can't win an election with that. >> that's a serious implication. on top of the 25% ceiling mitt romney has got he can't seem to break above it. you look at the poll. it is amazing herman cain is on top and his numbers are cut in half among women. an indication of problems to come. >> 28% a few week ago and now 15. plunge. >> that is a sign of things to come. mitt romney's numbers going down inexpolice politicably as newt gingrich rises. what will happen tonight, as newt gets stronger, it will be release. >> rick santorum is the only one who hasn't had a surge. >> he probably is not going to. in the past 48 hours i have gotten um teen e-mails on newt gingrich already. >> unfortunately what happens. thanks to all three.

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we do in the same time every night. the outer circle. tonight we begin in syria where activists say 37 people have been killed by security forces in another bloody day of crackdowns. the arab league is expected to hold an emergency meeting tomorrow. ben wedeman is in cairo, the location of the meeting. could it help to put an end to the violence in syria? >> it is highly unlikely. nine days ago the arab league got syria to sign on to an action plan to diffuse the crisis, but little has been done to implement it. today dozens of people were killed around syria. the action plan to seems to have faded in to complete irrelevance and it is important to keep one thing in mind, the arab league is composed of dictatorships which themselves would be loathed to implement the kind of reforms they are asking of the syrians. if there's any light of the

syrian tunnel it is not from the arab league. next to italy, the prime minister supposedly will resign tomorrow once the austerity package has passed. matthew, what will italy be like without berlusconi? >> it may look a little less colorful place. silvio berlusconi has been a controversial italian prime minister, to say the least. dogged by sex scandals and legal battles. he's been divisive in his political life. people love or hate him. . erin. >> all right. thank you. now to the united kingdom where in the this famous wedding dress, but another dress of the dutchess of cambridge is making headlines for what it may have concealed. max, what is fuelling the chatter about a possible

pregnancy tonight? >> erin, the latest round of speculation comes from an event last night where the dutchess was wearing a grecian style dress with a lot of loose fabric and you couldn't tell if she was showing or not which frustrated pregnancy royal watchers but nothing substantive to say she is pregnant right now. >> that poor girl. all right. thank you very much. . baby lisa irwin, the missouri infant missing since october 4th turns one today. there is no celebrating about her whereabouts are still unknown. last night her half brothers aged 6 and 8 were interviewed by child counselors for the second time. attorneys for the parents say they have been unfairly targeted as suspects. just before the show i spoke to their attorney joe tacopina and asked where the case stands now and whether he thinks the baby is still alive. >> debra and jeremy believe that lisa is still alive and the fact

they haven't found one sled of evidence, no blood, no dna, no anything and they have searched repeetdly, dozens and dozens of times in the vicinity of the home, maybe there's some hope. that's what i have to hold on to and that's what they are holding on to, so, yes, they believe lisa is still alive and we are hopeful that this is one of the cases that turn up with a happen pi resolution. >> i want to ask you what -- you have a theory of perhaps what may have happened or something we need to look in to. >> there's evidence out there, plenty of it and investigators have uncovered things, witnesses have come forward. if you look at this one individual, this individual goes by jersey. >> he's a repairman. >> a repairman. >> stayed in the neighborhood. >> often homeless, sometimes a drifter. 11:30 last night, this individual jersey got off within three blocks of the irwin residence after debra was asleep

the house was dark, debra's cell phone, which goes missing with baby lisa makes a call to megan wright, the woman we see on tv with the pink hair. >> the girlfriend of jersey and we find out she is an off and on girlfriend of jersey and the call is made to her 11:57. debra doesn't know megan wright. we have checked the cell phone records from inception. she never called that cell phone ever before. so 11:57 that night, 25, 30 minutes after jersey is off work he called megan wright's cell phone. 15 minutes after that, two independent witnesses, a husband and wife couple, driving identify an individual who has characteristics similar to jersey. this individual jersey, carrying a baby with a diaper on. at 2:00 we see this grainy gas station video. >> some of our viewers may be

familiar with. there is a man that we have shown. that's what you are referring to. >> and police and fbi look at it. it is a man going from a gas station to a wood area. within the vicinity of that gas station a dumpster is put on fire at 2:15, 2:30 a.m. in the dumpster they recover burned clothes. the burned clothes they show to debra bradley, lisa's mom during the interrogation of her. that spot, by the way, that the green dumpster we are looking at, a month earlier, megan wright's car was set on fire there, the day after she broke up with jersey. not far from that location at 4:10 a.m., a third independent witness identifies a man matching the physical characteristics of jersey, carrying a baby with a diaper on. now, is it really that difficult to understand what's going on here? >> why is your version, obviously you lay it out. your point of view it seems

sensible. >> that is not my version, it is witnesses, videotapes, phone records. >> what has the kansas city police department said when you come and lay this out. >> okay. we'll look at everything. they have not -- the problem is, i'm not a criminal defense attorney in this case. i'm a victim's advocate attorney. i represent two parents who had their child abducted. okay. for some reason from jump street some of the initial interrogation from the kansas city, not necessarily the fbi, but the kansas city police department accused debra in the first hour. >> they indicated she wasn't being cooperative. >> within the the first hour, erin. they said we know you did this and she is on the floor trembling please find my baby. they start to the accuse her of murder. by the way, not cooperative. she spoke to them five times. a total of 19 hours, answered every question. 19 hours. she has nothing to add as to what happened to lisa. she doesn't know. >> joe, thank you very much. >> erin, thank you.

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on this veterans day we are thinking of the troops, especially those that come home disabled. an agency was founded by drexel hamilton to help those vets find really good jobs. i spoke to cal quinn and john

arnold, two vets who went through the program and now work there and i asked how it works and why it was started. >> this is really about veterans helping themselves all right? . that's wa we teach you in the military. it is mission driven and oriented. drive through the wall, complete the mission. for us the mission is employment of veterans, it has the unemployment rate of twice the national average. a group who is ever growing with the conflict that we are currently in. about one in four we are yielding twice as many disabled veterans than any other point in our history. this is about facilitating meaningful employment for disabled veterans. it is one thing to give the veteran the capacity to take

home a paycheck so they can provide for the families. something much more to allow them to bring home dignity with that paycheck. so they know they earned their paycheck. that's what we are trying to do in the financial services industry. >> john, you were injure withed by an ied in iraq. and did you ever think you would now be going through a program like this and working on wall street? >> no. actually i never did. it is pretty incredible. >> tell me, when you were injured, how did you make the decision to come to this? how did you find out about about program like this? >> funny story. i was at a hire a hero job event in san antonio. i ran in to a friend of mine who we served. we were in the hospital together. he is a fellow amputee and i saw him behind the table as one of the employers and it said wall street war fighters on the top. i didn't know what it was and never heard of it and he said, this sounds like a program that

might fit you. if you get to go out and are introduced to the finance industry. is it something you would be interested in. it sounded interesting and ended up on the wall street war fighters and now here with cal. >> it was a program of a couple of months. >> first phase is introduction and orientation. we visited the larger firms. saw a trading desk and the federal reserve. just all of the different aspects. there's also licensing. so when we come out of the program we are completely, we are fully licensed to start and then the third phase is employment where the war fighters actually help us schedule our interviews and interview with different firms and get hired. >> congratulations on stepping up and doing it and congratulations to you. real pleasure to meet you, jon. >> thank you so much, cal. next week you will see some neat guests, a student held for being a spy in egypt and plus an american woman who spent time