police in vancouver. there was a small riot in vancouver after the loss of the stanley cup. she was knocked down. her australian boyfriend went there to pick her up but right before the pick up there was a kiss. we're going to try to do this every day around this time. >> that's really sweet. thank you, chad. have a great weekend. cnn new zealand room continues right now with fredricka whitfield. hey, fred. >> hello to you. have a great day and weekend. hello, everyone. i'm fredricka whitfield in today for randi kaye. it's 1:00. let's get straight to the news. even if you've never seen or held a euro in your hand, you have a stake in the european debt agreement hammered out today in brussels. eu leaders signed on to a plan that would force their country to balance their budget or pay a steep price. the goal is avoiding unsustainable debt that puts a drag on the whole group potentially undermining the common currency and threatening global recession.

but one eu member, the uk, is refusing to give up any of its budget powers. we'll get details from our own richard quest just moments from now. and still no agreement in washington on the future of payroll tax cuts. both parties say they want to prevent what amounts to a tabs hike on 160 million americans come january 1st. but they differ on how to pay for it. democrats want a surtax on millionaires. republicans want spending cuts. well, now republicans in the house want to tie a tax cut extension to approval of a controversial oil pipeline. if nothing passes, anybody who draws a paycheck will pay 6.2% into social security in 2012. all this year we pay 4. 2%. that tax cut extension it on the lips of of the gop candidates campaigning in iowa today. front-runner newt gingrich is not there. he's signing copies of his book in washington, d.c.

and just four weeks until the iowa caucuses we're seeing more attack ads. now rick perry is being attacked for his attack ad. >> i'm not ashamed to admit that i'm a christian but you don't need to be in the pew every sunday to know that there's something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military, but our kid can't openly celebrate christmas or pray in schools. as president, i'll end obama's war on religion. >> there was apparently division even within perry's camp about that ad. liberal activists call the ad anti-gay and perry desperate. we'll get an update on where the candidates stand at the bottom of the hour in "fair game." family and friends are holding a wake later today for the 7-year-old georgia girl who was murdered just north of atlanta. the suspect, ryan brunn, made his first court appearance yesterday. he was wearing a bulletproof vest. his court appointed lawyer says that brunn will plead not guilty. brunn is charneled with beating,

sexually assaulting and killing the 7-year-old girl after abducting her last friday. her body was found monday in a trash bin outside the apartment complex where she lived and brunn was a maintenance worker. the air force says it regrets having caused any additional grief by the way it once disposed of unidentified or unclaimed body parts of fallen troops. the military acknowledges that for years before 2008, it cremated partial remains that arrived at dover air force base and dumped them in a nearby landfill. since 2008, unknown or unclaimed partial remains have been cremated and buried at sea. investigations are under way and just yesterday on this program a member of congress accused the pentagon of "unwillingness to face the extent of the dishonor." the pentagon rejects that attack. >> i don't think there is another federal agency in this

town. i don't think there is another institution in the country that doesn't understand more than we do about how to properly treat the remains of our fallen troops. >> later this hour i'll speak live with an army widow who helped bring the landfill disposal to light. we'll also give you a phone number to call if you want more information from the air force. these images just in to cnn. militants in pakistan attacking tankers carrying fuel to u.s. and nato troops in afghanistan. militants reportedly armed with rocket pro tepelled grenades an automatic weapons destroyed at least 22 oil tankers. the trucks had been strand there had since pakistan closed the border to protest coalition air strikes that killed 24 pakistani troops. about 30% of supplies for the u.s.-led troops in afghanistan travel through pakistan. and this urgent plea. a retired fbi agent missing in

iran for nearly five years appears in a video posted online. robert levinson says he is not in very good health and is running out of diabetes medication. he says he is being treated well, but he urges the u.s. to "please help me" to get home. levinson's family posted the video on its website, "helpboblevinson.com. last hour his wife told cnn why the family released that video. >> since we received that video, we've tried to get in touch with the group that's holding bob. unfortunately, we have not received any response from them and we feel that this is a way to try and reach them with our plea and the video to get them to let us know what the family need to do to get bob home alive and quickly. >> levinson went missing on iran's kish island in march

2007. strong new evidence that there was once water on mars. scientists say nasa's mars recoverier "opportunity" has found the most convincing evidence yet that water flowed on the surface of the red planet long ago. the rover discovered gypsum that was formed when water passed over it. standing on the top of the face of this crater may help unlock the history of this earth. meteorologists say this crater near winslow, arizona could help them get a better understanding of how the planet was formed and may also help in future planning of missions to the moon or mars. this giant hole was formed when a space rock slammed into earth some 50,000 years ago. euro zone leaders reach a deal but will this new agreement help stop the global economy from bleeding even more? richard quest joins me next on why americans should be paying close attention.

but first, deployed in afghanistan. thousands of miles from home. marine corps master sergeant robert allen wrote a christmas song for his wife. it's moving and heartfelt and it resonates with a lot of military families and you can check it out on youtube. sergeant allen and the thousands of men and women in the military this season, thank you for your service and you are all rock stars.

if you're used to watching gridlock in washington, you might be pretty impressed by what happened today in brussels. the latest in a series of do-or-die summits aimed at saving the euro and ending the european debt crisis could have been just another photo-op. instead, at least 23 of the 27 countries that make up the european union, including the 17 countries that use the euro, agreed to strict and enforceable new caps on deficits. three other countries said they'd think about it. britain is not on board but the deal is done and the markets are relieved. european shares are up sharply. wall street, too, is bouncing back from yesterday's sell-off, up 159 points on the dow. my colleague richard quest had a front row seat for the ear bending and arm twisting. so richard, who wins, who loses in this agreement? >> in the short term, the mere fact that they managed to do a deal to have stricter rules on

deficit, the way they're going to do their budgetary conditions, all that sort of stuff. there's no question, the your row zone has made good progress today. but they're not going to be able to do it in the way they wanted to, and that's because britain basically said you're not giving us anything for what we want, we're outside the euro, we're outside of all of this, go your own way. the british prime minister david cameron firmly and decisively said no. >> not easy when you're in a room with many other people who all want to press ahead, who all say forget about your safeguards, forget about your interests, let's all just sign up to this thing together. it's sometimes the right thing to say, i'm afraid i cannot do that, it is not in our national interest. >> so that's the way it seemed from the british. the problem is the british say no, the rest are all going to continue with their plan. the british are going to be

classically like that person sticking spokes in the wheels of everybody else because they're saying it is not a european deal. the potential, fredricka, is for a mess. but the principle is clear. >> okay, so we have an exclusive poll from the eurozone. more people than not actually say their country should use the euro, 49%, and a huge majority say the eurozone should ensure the euro survives. so do you think then today's eu action will be popular overall? >> i think that anything that creates the stability that's required and that's sought is going to be highly welcome in the ordinary bars, the brasseries and beer houses across europe. there is no question, people love the idea of the euro. they just hate the fact that there is this super national body called the european union. look, it is very similar -- ask americans what they like and what they think about

washington, d.c., and they'll give you a very short, sharp answer. it's the same when you ask europeans what do they think of brussels. they hate the bureaucracy, they hate the money and the perceived waste. but the reality is, to gain the benefits you have to have the euro and there has to be stricter rules. >> but in very short circumstances, very short term here, there was a consensus, maybe not everyone is on-board but the great majority is. >> they are moving forward. the most immediate question that needs to be watched -- keep an eye on this next week -- is have they got enough firepower to put out the fire of contagion of problems from greece, portugal, spain, italy. they think they have so they believe that they're leaving here having solved the immediate crisis, put in place reforms for the future, but they have got this troublesome relative.

you know, the miserable uncle that's going to sit in the corner and tell you why everybody's doing wrong and if only you'd done it their way. that uncle is uncle england and the uk ain't going anywhere. >> so, richard, what can americans learn from this process or why should they feel like what is taking place in europe, impacting this global economy, should indeed be something that they care about? >> if they don't care about it, then they're foolish. the european union is the single largest economy in the world. it makes up 20% to 30% of dploe global trade. it is a huge, huge trader with the united states. over $180 billion a year in trade, exports, go from the u.s. so anybody in the u.s. who thinks that this is just some european nonsense is delusional. unfortunately, the core message is, if there's problems, they are similar to those that you've

got in the u.s., those of deficit. they have to be addressed. when you come to address them, it usually is a mess. >> all right, richard quest, thanks so much from brussels. back in this country now, some prescriptions for oxycodone, per co-set and other pain medications won't be filled at one pharmacy chain. we'll tell you why it is refusing to dispense potent prescriptions to some. ♪

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painkillers. let's bring in a spokesperson from the national center on addiction and substance abuse. just as cvs says the move is in response to the growing addiction to pain pills across florida, a letter was sent to o what cvs says is a small number of florida physicians and this is what the letter says. "cvs pharmacy, inc. has become increasingly concerned with escalating reports of prescription drug abuse in florida, especially oxycodone abuse. we will alert you if cvs pharmacy stores will fill these schedule ii narcotic controlled substance prescriptions in the future." so what's the real objective here, joseph? >> well, i think the objective is that, they obviously see some physicians who are prescribing these drugs in a promiscuous way, i mean too frequently for

what they -- whatever their screen is in terms of medical practice, and they've decided not to fill prescriptions for those physicians. remember, oxycodone and vicodin and pain pills particularly are important to -- they're also concerned about their own liability, i'm sure. >> real quick. let me just show you a statement from cvs. "while we regret any inconvenience this may cause for our customers, we treat the dispensing of controlled substances with the utmost care and seriousness. cvs pharmacy is unwaivvering in its compliance with keeping controlled substance

prescriptions from being abused. cvs says they are targeting specific doctors where cvs believes there's been a pattern of overprescribing these drugs. can a pharmacy chain legally do this, single out certain doctors whose prescriptions will not be filled by them? >> oh, of course they can. of course they can. and what they're looking at here, they're now in possession with all the computer days of prescriptions, they possess enough knowledge to know when doctors are prescribing too many oxycodone pills to the same patient or prescribing them in ways that seem abusive. and what they're also concerned about is their liability. i mean it is protecting themselves because, you know, there are -- for example, you recall the actor, kurt douglas and ann douglas, their son who died of an overdose in new york

city. the doctor there was prescribing these pills to their son and ann douglas, his mother, brought action against the doctor and finally had the doctor disbarred in california. cvs is concerned, i'm sure, in addition to their desire to help prevent prescription drug abuse the most rapidly growing drug abuse in our country, is also that they don't want to be liable. somebody comes along and sued a doctor who promiscuously prescribed these pills to a child or spouse who was badly damaged or even died from an overdose. because in addition to the doctor, it is the pharmacy that's going to be sued these days. >> all right, thanks so much for your time. appreciate it. >> nice to be with you, fredricka. apparently these days, meth can be made just about anywhere. even at a retail store. police say this woman was caught trying to cook the illegal drug.

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when news broke around this time yesterday of a shooting at the virginia tech campus, it was hard not to remember the 2007 shooting there. then 32 had been killed by a gunman. yesterday, one was killed. for many, the death of officer derek kraus was no less tragic than the slaughter four years ago. >> i'm not sure i have words to describe how i felt an the emotions i went through when i was told. derek was a friend to many in our department. derek was a husband. derek was a father. derek was a son. >> a u.s. army veteran officer kraus was 39 and married with five kids. a memorial fund has been set up to help his family. police say kraus and the apparent gunman did not know each other. it is believed that man who was not a virginia tech student used the same gun that killed kraus to take his own life.

a vigil was held on the glaxburg campus last night. another is planned for tonight. former penn state football coach jerry sandusky is at his home now. he's underhou house arrest with electronic device attached to his ankle. he left jail one day after getting arrested on 12 new charges of molesting children after two new accusers came forward. his wife dottie sandusky says this, "as the mother of six children, i have been devastated by these accusations. i am also angry about these false accusations that such a terrible incident ever occurred in my home. i continue to believe in jerry's innocence and all the good things he has done." this time of year retailers want you to feel right at home, spend a little time in their store. this 45-year-old tulsa woman did just that and allegedly started building a meth lab in an

oklahoma walmart. workers say she went between aisles mixing different cleaning supplies together, tipping one container into her bottle, then putle it back. employees then called police and by the time officers arrested her, they say she had already mixed two containers of sulfuric acid. tulsa police say she's been jailed on drug charges in the past. newt gingrich is now the man to beat but there's one candidate who could be his biggest threat and it is not mitt romney. plus, rick perry is out with a new attack ad that just about everyone else seems to be attacking and poking a lot of fun at as well. we'll show that to you next in "fair game." but first, our political junkie question of the day. in 2001, the annual salary of the president of the united states was raised to $400,000 a year. but do you know how much george washington was paid? the answer on the other side of the break. [ male announcer ] going a little overboard with the holiday spirit?

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before the break we asked you how much george washington was paid as president. the answer? $25,000. that's roughly $320,000 a year by today's money standards. he is leading the being a in the national polls and now he is even ahead in iowa. with less than four weeks until the caucuses, could newt gingrich's lead be threatened by yet another come-from-behind candidate? the race for the top spot out of iowa is "fair game" for my guests today, cnn contributors maria cardona and will cain. take a look right now at this new cnn/"time"/orc poll. gingrich on top but just three points behind romney is the surging three-time presidential candidate, ron paul. will, you first. could ron paul ultimately take iowa? >> you know what? i don't want to say no because -- obviously the traditional analysis is twist

ron paul, everyone does so easily but for months ron paul's had a pretty consistent polling number in the teens. now it is climbing up into the high teens. ron paul delivers a consistent principled message over and over. it obviously passionately appeals to some people, and as more people get exposed to it i think more and more like it. the traditional analysis is no, he can't win iowa. the question is can he win the nomination because he goes much, much beyond iowa. >> i'm going to somewhat agree with will here because first of all, this season, this political season, has been so bizarre that anything can happen. and in general, a day is a lifetime in politics anyway, and anything can happen. and i think what you're seeing with ron paul is that voters are really trying to look at the candidates and feel who is it that they can trust. and you know what? will's right. ron paul is the only candidate in the field right now that has never put up his hand to the

political winds and changed positions because it benefits him politically. gingrich and romney have huge instances of that. they have more flip-flops than the international house of pancakes and i think voters when they go into the booth to vote for somebody who's going to potentially be their commander in chief at the most basic gut level, they want to be able to trust that person. and i think for those voters they're taking another look at ron paul. i'm not going to say that he's out. >> will, what's this mean for romney in iowa? >> you know, let me say this about mitt romney. everyone wants panic from mitt romn romney. what should he do, gingrich has this strong lead. look, mitt romney has the support of people to the extent they are willing to say newt gingrich is not the right guy. newt gingrich has the support of a group of people who have shown

a finicky interest in now like three candidates. over the last six months it would be unique. >> we're kind of assessing where all these candidates are just a few weeks away from iowa. rick perry, he once enjoyed being at the top. now he's very much at the bottom and he's been rolling out these new ads. look at this one. it's getting a bit of traction. >> i'm not ashamed to admit that i'm a christian. but you don't need to be in the pew every sunday to know that there's something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military, but our kids can't openly celebrate christmas or pray in school. as president, i'll end obama's war on religion. >> maria, is this going to change things? the tone of that ad? will it change things for perry? will it get him back out in front like i would imagine he wants? or is this going to keep him at the bottom? >> i think it is backfiring and we are already seeing it. we know from reports that this

was an ad that was fiercely debated within the perry camp and, unfortunately, those who thought it was a good one won and i think that is going to backfire on perry because frankly, i think the majority of people don't think that there is a war on religion in this country. there is a white house christmas tree in the front lawn of the white house. there are 13 christmas trees within the white house. most people in this country are not afraid or ashamed to admit they're christians. so i just don't think it resonates with a whole lot of people. it might resonate with the most extreme of evangelical voter in iowa and perhaps that will change their minds and go for perry? but i just don't see it happening for him right now. >> will, real quick. you get to button this one up. what happened here? because there was some in-fighting with perry's camp even before rolling out this ad. >> i don't think it can backfire on him that much. if you're down by five points, you're sitting on your own 20, 30 yard line and the clock's ticking down on you?

what do you do? you throw the hail mary. and if it doesn't work you don't blame the hail mary. the game was already lost. with rick perry the game is kind of already lost. this ad really can't sink what's already been sunk. >> that's "fair game." thanks so much, will cain, maria cardona, thanks so much. coming up next, we're going "globe trekking." contra contrary. human activity dating back to more than 100,000 years. many dynasties have ruled this country. terrain featuring deserts and mountains. so where in the world are we? that's next. with less chronic low back pain. imagine living your life with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is a non-narcotic treatment that's fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one pill a day, every day, can help reduce this pain. tell your doctor right away if your mood worsens,

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intact. most of the damage would have been underneath. but another expert says that's just not the case, that when you look at that drone, the wings are pointing downward, compared to a picture of what we know to be the drone in which the wings are positioned higher for greater stability and one u.s. official says they have satellite footage of that crash site and it shows that the drone suffered significant damage. fred? >> thanks so much, chris lawrence at the pentagon. finally, to libya and the violent civil war that unfolded there. you may recall the heart wrenching story of this woman. last march she burst into a crowd in a tripoli hotel room claiming she had been raped by moammar goodty's soldiers. government security forces dragged her out of the hotel to an unknown destination and attacked the journalists who tried to help her. well, now eman is in the u.s. facing a different struggle. she sat down for an exclusive interview with our suzanne

malveaux. >> translator: when i came, i never imagined life would be this hard. there's nothing easy. you have to work. you have to work. i mean as we say in libya, you have to kill yourself working just to survive. and i wish there even was work. the state i'm in seems cut off. there are no work opportunities. i've been going to the employment office for four months. >> eman says the pain is too great right now to go back to libya. suzanne will have more of her exclusive conversation with her monday in the "cnn newsroom." also still ahead, the u.s. air force's secret practice. some are calling it a national disgrace. >> i don't think any family thinks that human remains in a garbage dump is appropriate disposition. >> at least 274 u.s. troops' remains dumped into this virginia landfill. up next, i'll speak to the army

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yesterday. the air force dumping the remains. more than 200 u.s. troops in a virginia landfill. that number is far more than the military originally acknowledged. newly obtained records reveal that during the years of 2004 to 2008, the remains of at least 274 american troops cremated at dover air force base were dumped in this landfill in king george county, virginia. the practice was first reported by "the washington post." the air force has said that the practice was dignified and respectful. a spokesman for defense secretary leon panetta says panetta is comfortable with the way the air force has handled this. relatives and loved ones directly affected are expressing some outrage. one joins us right now by phone. gary lynn smith's husband, army sergeant scott smith, was killed in iraq in 2006. some of his remains were dumped in that landfill.

do you agree with the military's explanation? >> absolutely not. i believe the military's explanation is a means to not own up and take responsibility for the actions that they've been dumping our soldiers and service members' remains in a landfill and i am very disappointed they are taking this stand. >> the military had expressed to family members that the remains would be managed and handled in a dignified, respectful manner. what did you expect that would entail? >> i always pretty much assumed that they would be cremated and have the ashes spread at arlington because that's what made most sense to me as far as a dignified, honorable way to discharge the remains that were either unidentifiable or that family's request. >> you pressed the military for four years before you finally

received a response from them explaining what had happened. >> i was furious because i was initially told by a chief warrant officer at the more wtu that no one wanted my husband so he was cremated and thrown in the trash. and when i demanded an apology and that this person be disciplined and not allowed to interact with family members anymore, nobody really seemed too appalled that that's what took place. so i started thinking what -- nobody had given me a straight answer. i put through those requests and finally met up with trevor dean and finally received the letter. >> what did they say to you in that letter specifically? >> they said that up until 2008, the policy was that they incinerated -- cremated ashes, then handed them over to a medical contractor where they were further incinerated and

then dumped in a virginia landfill in king george county. >> at the end of that letter, i just have a copy which says they stated, "i hope this information brings some comfort to you during your time of loss." did it do that? >> no, it did not. i don't even know how they could have been so insensitive to put -- that they said it would bring comfort. they just told me my husband's remains went into a garbage dump, then ended the letter, "i hope this brings you comfort." it was insulting and just added more injury. >> so now the air force has also set up a call center so that families, loved ones such as yourself, can call to get more information about what may have happened to their loved ones' remains. do you like this option? >> i don't like this option. i believe that it is the air force's responsibility to call the family members themselves. this is not -- our husbands went over there, our sons, our

daughters, they went over there and freely sacrificed their life for this country. and all that they ask for in return was to know that their family members would be taken care of. it is not our job and our responsibility to make sure that they're doing the right thing. they shall want to do the right thing and the right thing is to notify these family members and own up to the fact

worked tirelessly and got a lot of private investment. we sold our apartment in brooklyn, new york, to invest ourselves. we truly felt the story needed

to be told. >> so what was it about the story, the experience of being a lesbian in america, that you felt that needed to be portrayed in "pariah." what was the real arc that you're trying to convey? >> well he, the biggest things in the film are about not checking the box and not keep your life to others' expectations. in this film, she comes to discover herself and transforms the people around her as much as she transform her. support in that people have freedom and they're allowed to proclaim and live in their own identity. >> so you apparently used some rather unconventional methods into which get your actors to get inspired to tell the story. for one, i understand you didn't have any traditional rehearsals. what do you mean? >> yes. i don't like typical lined readings because for me as a

director it's more important the actors understand the why of what they're saying versus what they're saying and have clearnesses about the relationships and dynamics. i sent the two lead actors in costume to dave & buster's times square. then i sent them to a lesbian club to see what it felt like to be in that environment. it gave them a chance to see how it felt. i had the actors who play the family members go to psychotherapists, i had mock therapy sessions where they could sit on the couch and bounce off each other and have talking points that this family was struggling with. in that way they were able to relate to each other as a family. >> writer and director dee rees,

congratulations on a thought-provoking project. >> thank you so much. there will be something everybody will be able to relate to in this film. now some politics with paul steinhauser. let's talk about this debate that donald trump was going to be moderating. is it up in the air now? >> yeah, i guess this is something donald trump is not used to hearing -- no. i guess that's what's happening. we've put a graphic together. here's this proposed debate trump wants to do december 27th in iowa. look at this, five kacandidates saying no. the two that are in, newt gingrich and rick sansantorum. who's not coming? mitt romney, ron paul, rick perry, michele bachmann and jon huntsman all of them say thanks

but no thanks. trump is upset especially with bachmann. listen to what he told wolf blitzer yesterday. >> people are afraid i'm going to run as an independent candidate and some of the people that are supposed to be in the debate have are expressed that. ayinde don't want to give up that option because it certainly is an option if the republicans pick the wrong candidate or if the economy and everything continues to be bad and we have the wrong candidate. that would be the worst thing. >> stay tuned with donald trump. you never know what will happen. >> never a dull moment. thanks, paul. much more in the "newsroom" straight ahead with brooke baldwin. >> thanks so much. happy friday to you. let's get you caught p up on everything making news this hour, beginning with rapid fire. great britain will go it alone. europe's emergency summit, british prime minister david cameron refuses to back in new eerp 18 treaty. >> i wasn't prepared to take

that treaty to my parliament and agree in that way. that's why i rejected signing this treaty today, the right thing for britain, a tough decision but right one. >> meantime, german chancellor angela merkel prevailed. britain wanted exemptions but couldn't get them. now there's talk britain could leave the union altogether. the deal in europe today, apparently, some decent news translating on wall street, the dow up about 170 points, about two hours from the closing bell. meantime, to pennsylvania where the wife of jerry sandusky says she is shocked and dismayed by accusations of child sexual abuse in her own home. dottie sandusky says this, let me quote for you, we don't know why these young men have made these false accusations, but we want everyone to know they are untrue. the former penn state football coach is under house arrests after being freed on bail. had his arraignment is scheduled

for next tuesday where some of his alleged victims are set to testify. we'll talk more about that coming up next hour with sunny hostin. also this -- >> reporter: authorities say rob by had set up a webcam in his dorm room to capture his roommate's encounter. >> talking about this former rutgers student accuseed of streaming live video of his room mailt's sexual encounter with another man. today he turned down a plea deal that would allow him to avoid jail time. his roommate tyler clemenklemen killed himself after finding out about the video. police are searching for culprits of a letter bomb in rome. one person was hurt according to reports. an italian anarchist group are claiming responsibility. a bomb earlier in the week was deactivated. back here at home, voter s

want to give congress the boots. 76% of americans according to a poll don't think congress deserves their job. as of now, taxes could still go up on your paychecks, that fight heading now to the house. and a woman accused of dousing fellow black friday shoppers with pepper spray at a california walmart, turns out she will not be facing felony charges. >> my eyes are burning! my eyes! >> their eyes burning, as a result of that pepper spray, firefighters had to treat ten people there on the scene. the los angeles city attorney's office will consider possible misdemeanor charges now. and have you heard about this? the woman who police say tried to mix up a batch of meth at a walmart, in the store? police arrested the woman in tulsa, oklahoma, yesterday, alert employees apparently

noticed this woman mixing up cleaning supplies in a bottle. what did they do? they called police. one police officer suffered minor chemical burns as he took the bottle out of the store. country are singer mindy mccready speaking out today saying she did nothing wrong when she took her son across state lines, which by the way violated a custody order. her son zandter was taken into police custody last week in arkansas. mccready spoke on abc's "good morning america" and alleged her mother was an abusive guardian to her child. >> zander was being beaten with a wooden spoon. there are scars on his back, his bottom and legs from the spoon. >> abc reefed out to mccready's mother who denies the allegations. texas police have a new weapon to battle drug dealers and smugglers along the border, arlorred gun boats. this fleet of patrol boats will

be used along rio grandand lakes. it comes equipped with four machine gun turrets and night vision cameras. we're just getting started for you. a lot more to tackle in the next two hours, including this. he disappeared in iran almost five years ago. now video surfaces of this retired fbi agent who is asking the u.s. to save his life before it's too late. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. dozens of paivts are dead after flames rip through a hospital. and some staff members now charged with leaving them to die. sara sidner joins me live. there's something wrong in this country when wigays can see openly in the military but our kids can't openly pray in school or celebrate christmas. >> rick perry under fire accusing president obama from

waging wash on religion. an emotional story of a veteran's biggest battle. >> there was a lot of partying going on, aloft drugs. >> as thousands of troops get ready to come home, a big effort to keep them out of jail. and noosasa says the best pf that water existed on mars. so what about life? the next i'm saying... i have this thing called psoriatic arthritis. i had some intense pain. it progressively got worse. my rheumatologist told me about enbrel. i'm surprised how quickly my symptoms have been managed. [ male announcer ] because enbrel suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal events including infections, tuberculis, lymphoma, other cancers, and nervous system and blood disorders have occurred. before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis and discuss whether you've been to a region

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breaking developments today. a retired fbi agent disappeared five years ago in iran. ever since then, bob levinson's

fate has been unknown until now. >> i have been held here for 3 1/2 years. i will not in very good health. i am running very quickly out of diabetes medicine. i have been treated well, and i need the help of the united states government to answer the requests of the group that has held me for 3 1/2 years. and please help me get home. 33 years of service to the united states deserves something. please help me. >> please help me, he says. you'll notice he says twice 3 1/2 years even though he vanished in march of 2007. so it appears this video was shot sometime late last year. i want to bring in jill dougherty in from the state

department. i saw your interview with his wife, i read the transcript. i know that the u.s. government has and the family has had this video for a while. the wife christine told you, in seeing the video, she's happy to see him alive but sad for the way he lfooks. you asked her why now, why release the video now. here's what she told you. >> since we received that video, we've tried to get in touch with the group that is holding bob. unfortunately, we have not received any response from them, and we feel that this is a way to try and reach them, with our plea and the video, to get them to let us know what the family needs to do to get bob home alive and quickly. >> and i know you've been dealing with the state department, secretary clinton back in march referred to that proof of life. i'm presuming this is that proof of life. did you give that video to them? are they able to help?

>> yes, that is the same proof of life that she spoke about. the fbi has an ongoing investigation in in the case. so we're hoping we'll get some results. >> jill, you asked the state department about this case just today. what did they tell you? >> well, they were -- they said that there's nothing to indicate it's not a real video, number one. they do not know where he is. remember remember, secretary clinton in march said that the indications are that he's being held some place in southwest asia. enormous place. that's not very specific. so they say they do not know. the u.s. has been in touch with a number of different countries about this, and they have been in touch with the iranians with whom we have no diplomatic relations. so they've been in touch through the swiss trying to get more information. and, finally, there is an fbi investigation that's taking

place and has been for a number of years, and so when it gets into the nitty-gritty of the issues, they're referring to the fbi. but, again, brooke, there's just so little information known, who exactly is holding him. that's why the family put that video on their web site. >> he mentioned in the video, he's saying help me, he's running out of diabetes medication. again, that was late last year. does the wife,s christine, believe he's still alive? >> she does, and she's held that belief. i've talked to her a number of times. she had has held that belief since the beginning. she has a lot of faith that he's going to get out, but there have been some very, very arocky times. at this point, that video, if you listen to it, he says this is 3 1/2 years into captivity, that's a relatively old video now. >> rocky times, tense times, with regard to iran and the united states. is she worried at all that that relationship, that rocky relationship, will impact the

u.s.' ability to get her husband home? >> boy, i asked her that, too, but it's so hard to say. she referred to the fact that president ahmadinejad of iran did pledge that he would do what he could. but obviously nothing has emerged from that, and she is hoping that he'll continue to work for it. but there's no guarantee, and the weird thing is the iranians continue to say, we have no idea who is holding him, we have no information, we don't have him. so every time that issue is raised directly with them, there's a wall. no information. >> still so many questions, as you mentioned, southeast asia a big place. the fact they still don't know, that's stuff for them. jilltory di, thank you. dozens are killed in a fire that damaged a hospital in india. plus, a tragic end to a seven-hour standoff at a texas state welfare office. a mother goes in, she wants food stamps, pulls out a gun. major developments in this case,

sad. and also this -- do you remember this woman? she created one of the most intense memorable moments in the battle for libya, begging reporters to save her from being brutalized by gadhafi'ses forces. she is now in the united states talking exclusively to cnn. you'll hear more from her, an update just ahead. i've been eating progresso and now my favorite old jeans...fit. okay is there a woman i can talk to? [ male announcer ] progresso. 40 soups 100 calories or less.

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i want to take you to calcutta, india, heartbreaking tragedy. the latest number we have, 89. at least 89 people perished in this hospital when this fire broke out in the basement. most of the victims were bedridden. worse, we're now hearing they were abandoned by hospital workers fleeing the smoke and flames, six hospital managers have been arrested for negligence. i want to bring in sara sidner who's reporting from india on this this. 89 people and of all places in a hospital? how did this happen? >> absolutely horrific. what we are are seeing outside of this hospital, family members wailing, screaming, weeping,

begging someone to help the patients inside, their loved ones who were going into that hospital hoping to be healed and more than 80 people ended up dying from smoke inhalation. now, what happened inside the hospital, according to witnesses, is that this fire broke out somewhere in the basement. and in that basement, investigators say, there were patients, there were lots of hospital supplies, and there were cars. it was big enough to have, for example, a small garage inside, a big no-no to have all of those things in one place. this fire breaks out, and, according to witnesses, the hospital staff, some of them, simply ran out and did not help those people who were absolutely helpless, sick and lying in their beds. let me let you listen to what one witness said in this tragic fire. >> such a big fire, how can only the patients die and not a single casualty from the hospital? they all came down, leaving alone all those patients and

they choke to death, you know? they just choke. >> you hear her screaming, they choked to death, they choked to death. she mentioned there are wasn't p anyone from the hospital who died but that's not true. there was a doctor and two staff members in the hospital who did perish in this fire. but the rest of the casualties were patients, including children. and you saw some terrible scenes of the firefighters didn't seem to have enough equipment. they were lowering children, for example, with ropes outside of windows, people said that some of the exits were actually blocked, just an absolute tragedy. now an investigation is under way, brooke. >> absolutely horrendous. as we mentioned, six of those hospital managers arrested for negligence. sara, what about the hospital itself? how much damage was done? will it even be able to reopen? >> well, at this point in time, the government has decided to

revoke the hospital's license so that is a big development. the hospital's license now taken away and the six managers have been arrested. now, we have been hearing on local channels from some of these hospital administrators who are saying, no, we did not violate any safety measures, however, the big question is, if this fire raged on for such a long time and so many people perished in a place where most people think that you have really strict safety procedures and ways to get patients out, there are a lot of questions that need to be answered. the big thing happening right now is dozens of family members are at a morgue trying to identify the bodies, hoping beyond hope, their loved ones are not among the dead. brooke? >> sara, thank you. now this -- how could we forget this moment? this woman who says moammar gadhafi's men raped her. she is now in the united states, the only place that would take her. but this is no happy ending.

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obeidi. she stormed between the report hes saying she was raped. authorities dragged had her from the room, calling her a whore. she borrowed cash for a one-way ticket to washington, d.c., the only country where she found asylum. in an exclusive interview with suzanne malveaux, she explains why it's been so tough to move forward. >> translator: when i came, i never imagined life would be this hard. there's nothing easy. you have to work. you have to work. i mean, as we say in libya, you have to kill yourself working just to survive. and i wish there even was work. the state i'm in seems cut off. there are no work opportunities. i've been going to the

employment office for four months. >> reporter: do you have any support from your family? >> translator: my family support me. i've been here for four months, and, without the aid they send me every month, i could not have survived. $300 a month can do nothing. >> reporter: what with would oue to do? would you like to go back to your family in libya? >> translator: i'm sure everybody wants to go back to their country. but i'm not mentally ready for that. i also feel personally i'm not ready to integrate back into this society. i feel life for me is hard because everything is so different, from culture to language. >> on it that note of whether or not she wants to return home, she explains to suzanne the pain is simply too great to return to had her home country of libya, but she went on to say the united states is not her home. we hope you're counting down

with us to sunday, very exciting for us here at cnn, that's when we'll reveal the cnn hero of the year. we've been telling you about the amazing honorees and how they're working to make this world really a better place. i'd like to introduce you to renowned chef bruno sharato. >> a family who has nothing else. you live if a motel. the motel environment is extremely bad. drugs, prostitution, alcoholics. when they go back after school, in's there's no dinner, no money. my mother is like, bruno, you must serve them the pasta. i listened to my mama. now my mission is feeding the hungry children. >> we're going to l.a. to kareen wynt wynter. i was reading about bruno serato. go to cnn.com/heroes and read about the heroes.

he's really helping these kids, living in motels, they need food. >> reporter: in an unbelievable way, brooke. i have to say the first time i watched bruno serato's story it actually brought tears to myize how an unselfish act like this could have gone so far in terms of touching the lives that bruno has touched out there. bruno serato joins me now. isn't he fantastic? it's so great to have you here, bruno. hearing your story, you really wanted to make a difference in these lives by basically just feeding children, a simple act like that. >> i know. the first time, like i said before, when i went there with my mama, see a boy with potato chips for dinner? it's not acceptable, especially here in america. mom said, bruno, why don't you feed him pasta? i said, yeah, you're right. she's the inspiration behind all of this. if she only knew the magnitude

of what cnn is doing for us today, she would be, like, oh, my god, because it's the most amazing week ever. >> reporter: i'm sure she's so proud of you. you speak a lot of mom. mom can't be here sunday, all of your brothers and sisters will be. she's in italy. will she be watching? >> oh, yes. my brothers and sisters might be crazy here, i'm kind of worried. mom will watch it. >> reporter: what would you like people to take away the most from your story? >> i think the story is, we can all do something. just a step forward, do something about it. don't just talk about it. this is what i want people to know. >> reporter: brooke, isn't he lovely? and he held my hand the entire time. bruno serato, you can see why he's one of cnn's top ten heroes who will be honored on sunday in this very auditorium, this stage behind me. i was out here all day yesterday, brooke. i can't believe the progress they've made. >> what's going on on that

stage? >> reporter: well, they're setting up the lights, getting things in place. to my left here, i'm not sure if you can see it, they have the cameras in place. it will look a lot different on sunday, but they're making a lot of progress here. there will be so many celebrity presenters and performers taking the stage. but, brooke, what's really great about this show, we he love the stars but we forget about them for one night because they turn the spotlight on the real stars, individuals like bruno serato, who are making an incredible difference in their communities, touching lives in a remarkable way. we can't wait. we're just a couple of days away. i also have to tell you about "showbiz tonight" cnn heroes, the live show before the actual all-star tribute, it will hosted by a.j. hammer, his special co-star j.r. martinez from dancing with the stars. i'll also be there, brooke, in the thick of things. it's going to be a fabulous time. we can't wait. >> i can tell you're psyched.

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a very, very sad ending to a story we first told you about earlier this week. two children now have died after their own mother pulled out a gun and held a seven-hour standoff in this government

office all over food stamps. these kids were 10 and 12. they had been in critical condition ever since their mother shot them and then turn the gun on herself monday. she was 38-year-old richelle grimmer, and her two children had left ohio, they were living in this tiny travel trailer. this is laredo, texas. neighbors say the family looked hungry, unkempt. she applied for food stamps in july and say her application was denied. officials say she didn't provide enough information. she was denied again last month. she went to the welfare office in texas for a third try, brought these two kids. she also brought a gun. grimmer took two workers hostage until a supervisor convinced her to let the pair go. the supervisor was released a couple of hours later. but the grimmers stayed inside and she stopped talking to police. >> throughout the entire incident, the woman basically had her 12-year-old daughter right in the proximity of her

front lap. in essence be using her daughter almost like a human shield. >> the daughter while at this welfare office was online posting to facebook about this ordeal. she updated her status, quote, may die today". a couple of hours later, she posted, i'm bored. her last post as police took action, tear gas seriously. just before midnight, police heard three gunshots. grimmer shot her children and then herself. grimmer died. her children were hospitalized and later died. and this next story leaves me without words. it's not something that happens very often around here. this story involves this little gir girl, 7-year-old. after going missing from her apartment complex, her body was found in a trash compactor. her hands and feet were bound.

her mouth duct taped shut. she was just 7. police say she died from blunt trauma to the head. she had been sexually assaulted. she had been stabbed. her tiny body then left in a trash compactor. an apartment maintenance worker is now under arrest. he also lived in the same apartment complex, even helped in the search for this little girl. right now, her family and friends are gathering in canton, georgia, to remember her. i want to go there live to hln's mike galanos. mike, there are no words. there are no words. just do me a favor. set the scene. i know it's been a very, very raw week for her friends and family. >> reporter: i'll say this, brooke. as you reeled off the details, it hits me all over again and it hits this had community all over again to think of what happened to this precious little girl. i had a chance to talk to a few of the residents, and that's what they are, shock, disbelief. i talked to one resident, he said he just cannot wrap his

mind around what has happened to this beautiful, precious little girl. but behind me is where a public viewing, brooke, is going to take place 5:00 to 8:00 p.m. eastern as the public can come, pay their condolences to the family, respects to this beautiful little girl. and really the theme i think from this community is, let's for a night, remember how this little girl lived and not how she died. >> what about, mike, these other two kids? she had siblings. they i know earlier in the week were removed from this mother, removed from the home. but they're back home. what happened there? >> reporter: well, from what we gather -- and we're not getting a lot of information -- we know a 4-year-old and 1-year-old cybil siblings are back home. there is family coming from all across the nation to be here, to be together as a family. you get back to the victim, i've had a chance to look at home video with her little siblings. again, you just see this bubbly little girl and we hear what a

sweet personality she had. she liked to write her mom and teacher. one of the last notes she wrote her mom was, i love you, mom, i want a dog. it just -- you know, it speaks to the emotion here. forgive me, but i'm really close -- >> you have little ones. >> reporter: i do. i have two little boyz. at this time in a square time this time of year should all be with b lighting a christmas tree and singing carols. that's what we should be talking about. this little girl should be preparing for a christmas pageant, not her funeral. that's where we are and it screams of how wrong this really is. >> so horrible on so many levels. she was 7. mike, thank you. now this -- >> this has always been the best place in the world to be middle class. i want to help people in the middle class of america. >> mitt romney fired up on the trail as we approach a critical campaign weekend for these kand dands a. as romney loses track

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well, some hospitals are now facing some mega fines for some pretty disturbing mistakes. elizabeth cohen joins me live on that one. plus, an emotional story of a veteran who faced his biggest fight right here at home. now there's this huge effort to keep the troops coming home out of jail. we'll go in depth next.

right now we are waiting word from blacksburg, virginia, on the idea of that man who shot and killed a policeman yesterday at virginia tech. they say the man who killed officer derek krauss approached on foot as krauss sat in his car during a routine traffic stop. the assailant took off, apparently stopped and changed clothes, was spotted half a mile away in a campus parking lot. at that point, authorities said this morning he turned the gun he used on krauss on himself. >> he had over a hundred

officers and deputies responding there. they were canvassing the campus, looking for the suspect, and here is a lone male subject walking through kind of some furtive movements, little suspicious. he was just going to approach and talk to him. by the time he got over there, the individual had taken his life. >> authorities say the assailant acted alone. they say the police response was bolstered from lessons learned from 2007. a vigil is set for tonight 6:30 p.m. whether it is anger issues, drugs, post-traumatic stress syndrome, some returning u.s. troops and older veterans are getting in trunneouble with the. one group is offering them an alternative to jail. they're calling it the veterans treatment court. randi kaye goes in depth with us. one man turns his life around and gets a second chance. >> reporter: when you think about american troops coming home from fighting overseas you probably have this picture in your head, not this. american veterans in court,

arrested on any number of charges. and that's exactly what happened to this man, manny welch. >> i come from a very good family, and my father gave me a choice. he said, you either go to college, you get a job, or you go to the service. and so i took the naval exam and went to the navy. >> reporter: welch was stationed in alameda, california. he worked aboard the "uss coral sea" aircraft carrier from 1975 to 1979, right after the vietnam war ended. >> we were sort of in the peacetime, you know, so there was a lot of partying going on, a lot of celebrating going on, a lot of drugs going on. >> reporter: after the service, welch's addiction took over. >> i was addicted to cocaine, marijuana, alcohol, you know. they talk about drugs of choice,

but whatever was available i used. >> reporter: he was arrested more times than he can remember. it robbed him of everything, his family, his kids, his job, his home, his dignity. >> october 25, 2008, when i was rearrested in amherst, that was my darkest day because i was at the end of the line, and i was tired of being sick and tired. >> reporter: so, after 30 years of drugs and jail time -- >> hello, sir. >> how you doing, your honor? >> reporter: -- he made his way into robert russell's veteran treatment court, the first of its kind in the nation and a model for dozens of others. it helps veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, brain trauma and chemical dependency. >> what judge russell seen were veterans coming through his drug and mental health court like manny and decided, with his

coordinator hank prous ki, that maybe we could schedule a day and call it veterans day. that's exactly how it started. >> reporter: jack o'connor is manny welch's veteran treatment court mentor. >> the motto, leave no veteran behind, because they wouldn't leave me behind, they wouldn't give up on me. they kept me in there. i'm proud to be around jack. jack does a lot for me. he's done a lot for me, you know. he's my friend today, my buddy. >> how's the job going? >> the job is going good. >> reporter: o'connor is a vietnam vet who helps veterans in trouble with the law reclaim their lives. >> a few weeks ago we had a situation where a mentor actually a vet lost his job and lost his house, a series of tragedies. and in one day two mentors actually -- very proud of this -- one got him an apartment and the other one hired him. so in one day that person's life

was changed. those mentors don't want their names mentioned or anything like that. they just do it. >> reporter: following his latest arrest three years ago, welch was sent to rehab instead of to jail, reunited with his family. he got a job with the veterans administration, became a mentor himself in the veterans treatment court, and is now about to graduate from college. >> i am responsible, you know, a productive member of society today. >> reporter: his message to other veterans in need of help? >> if i can do this, they can do this. because, over 30 years of using in my life, if not more, you know, i found a way out. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. >> randi kaye, thank you very much. i want you to take a look at some of these pictures here. so here's the deal. nasa says they're bulletproof evidence that there was once

water on mars. so why is that such a huge deal? we're going to talk to chad myers. he is standing by to explain all of that here as he's looking at those pictures in the weather center very closely. we'll talk to him in a moment. first, here is a question for you. what were the most popular topics on twitter for the past year? to find the answer, tally the hash tags. trending p topics. number 8, january 25th, the date that became synonymous with the reform movement in egypt. number 7, super bowl. sports fans tweet a lot we've noticed. next, the phrase i'm proud to say, tnumber 5 japan which quickly started to trend after the earthquake and tsunami this past february. in fourth place, i don't understand why, as in hash tag i don't understand why you're not tweeting me right now. so what are the top three trending topics of the year 2011? think about it, the answer after this.

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. back to today's list of twitter's top eight trending topics of the year 2011. number 3, three words to live by. second place, oh, boy, remember this? tiger blood made infamous by charlie sheen's winning escapades this year. the number one trending topic of 2011? hash tag egypt. allow me if we can, space

geek time. remember last summer nasa announced that it looks like water once existed on mars? this week, nasa scientists say what they're calling a slam dunk sign of evidence. for this trending story we're going to go to my fellow space geek chad myers. so in reading about this, this is all from the mars rover opportunity. >> correct. still working. >> still working. still working. and gypsum. >> yes. the same thing in the sheetrock of your house, but it cannot be formed without water. water being forced through gaps in rock, and that water -- it's almost like when wiyou boil you pot of tea to too much and the calcium is left in the bottom? that's the kauls yum here, it wouldn't be in this stratos form, it wouldn't form like

this, if water wasn't present when this little rock was formed. >> okay. so let's take it a step further. water, you have gypsum, then if you think, in was possibly this water environment -- >> liquid water. >> -- it begs the question, might there have been something else? >> absolutely. there's no question at some point in time the sun was warmer or mars was warmer and it had something to -- there was water there. if water is anywhere, there's going to be some type of life. no question about it. do you know if you have a lake and there's no fish in it eventually fish will come into it even if you don't populate it, stock it? >> where do the fish come from? >> the birds walk on other lakes, fish eggs get stuck in their claws and it come noose the other lake. you cannot keep it, a fresh water lake, it will have fish eventually. >> if you take the same premise -- >> some type of microorganism will grow in water. >> ms,