casting their votes first in the first of the nation state of new hampshire. and you'll see right now. let's listen in. the first votes coming in. nam the polls are closed.

we do not count the ballots and as soon as we have the talent, we will report out on the other bell room. >> what is happening now is the town of honorare of the nearby town will pull out ballots that were just dropped into the ballot box seconds ago and this goes by quickly. he shows us the inside of the box to make sure the ballots will be counted and him and the town supervisor will count these ballots and as you just explained a few moments ago, they will report the results. in the next room, literally within minutes. this is pretty significant because since 1968, the winner of this very small boat in this town has gone on to win the

republican nomination consistently since 1968. what we are saying is that whoever wins tonight, whether it is mitt romney or rick santorum, given the track record for this town is voting for republicans, they could want to be the eventual republican nominee. the red ballots of 4 republicans and the blue ballots are for democrats. and you'll notice some other sport and declared, for the independents who are here. the breakdown of the nine register daughters, there are four independence in this town, three republicans and two democrats to go here. let's take a look at how they are verifying who voted for a room.

we want to make sure that we don't know which of these voted for which candidate. we know that there are nine of them and that four of them are independents, three are republicans and two of them are democrats. or whether they will maintain their votes, boating for their party, we won't know until the results are announced and that is the breakdown and it seems as if they are wrapping up pretty quickly. they have gripped some ballots and together and let's listen in on what is next. as you can see, this is happening quickly. we want him to talk more about this process. you are a veteran. >> this is my fourth. >> how is this any different or similar than what you have seen in the three times before? >> it is similar and the fact

the polls are open and closed very quickly. it took about a minute but it is different and the fact the hotel was closed for renovations this time around. in the past has been open with the lot more hustle and bustle. presidential candidates here. but the fact the hotel is close to didn't happen this time around. >> let's talk about the hotel being closed. normally the town is this hotel, correct? >> as a matter of fact, most of the registered voters are employed here at the hotel. and that is the livelihood of the people in this neck of the was. >> the hotel was recently sold and so that has actually decreased the population of this area. >> normally, we have about 17 voters, registered voters, this time we only had nine. that is similar, and a touch of irony in the very first primary they held her back in 1960. they had just nine daughters. >> we will listen to the

results. >> the results are in such. as far as the democrats, their three ballots cast for barack obama. that was all of the democratic votes. the republicans. there was 1 mote boat cast for newt gingrich appeared there were two votes cast for jon huntsman. plus mike there was one vote cast for ron paul. there were two the votes cast for mitt romney.

for a total of nine. thank you all for coming. >> said this and actually looks like there is no clear winner. there is a tie between mitt romney and jon huntsman for this vote.

and one for newt gingrich. ron paul got one. so what does this mean to you? you have been here three times before. >> new hampshire doesn't always follow the lead since the last time around. president obama won here in john mccain 1. mccain won on in the primary, in the vote here, president obama carried. exactly. and went on to win the general. what is interesting is jon huntsman is obviously putting his campaign in new hampshire's. he bypassed iowa and spend a lot of time here and the and declared, he was putting in the undeclared candidate, there are four and declared dollars. looks like a wet for the republican ticket is interesting one of them went for president obama. maybe they can draw solace in that. >> i noticed earlier when they were milling about that there

was a john ensign representative who made the trek and speaking with some of the officials are light and they were saying none of the candidates came this time around at that has mostly been because the hotel has been close and there isn't activity for them to compare it interesting that john huntsman representative would make the trek up here. >> jon huntsman, as you said, has made his campaign in new hampshire. he said and i whoa, they pick corn, in new hampshire they pick president's. i'm not sure that endear him to the people and i will but he said he wasn't paying any attention to that. he staked his run for the presidency on a strong finish here in new hampshire and a recent poll shows mitt romney head and he came out with two votes here. >> as we said before, we have picked the eventual republican nominee consistently since 1960. obviously here we have a tie between mitt romney and jon huntsman. this is probably going to bode well for the huntsman campaign picks

>> you would think so. and our poll taken over the weekend showed him in a tie for third place. ron paul was finishing second. rick santorum, jon huntsman tied. maybe an iowa bounce for rick santorum. but certainly jon huntsman has been pitching to the undeclared voters, the independents, and our poll showed that 56% of the voters still had not made up their minds. there is a big and declared out there and it will be interesting to see which way they swing and hopefully, it will be to :30 in the morning like it was an iowa before we get the results. >> thank you for joining us. there you have a, basically the result, the first voting results in hashers primary canning and right there, a tie between jon huntsman and mitt romney. we will wait to see until tomorrow how both of the campaigns spin that but the primary, the rest of the primary voting begins and continues tomorrow.

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satirist, p.j. o'rourke. let me start with you, john sununu. it would appear, mitt romney is in a good position. however, being the front-runner can be a poison chalist. we are seeing a slight softening in polls and massive acceleration in aggression from

opponents. are you feeling a little wobbly? >> you know, obama was 13 points ahead when hillary clinton beat him last time, 13 points ahead the night before. so in new hampshire, we know people can change their minds very late, so you're always a little nervous until you see the results of the election. >> mitt romney is currently polling 33%, roughly what he polled at last time he tried in new hampshire and came second. although everyone keeps calling him the apparently obvious winner of this race, it would seem it may not be quite so clear cut. would you accept that? >> sure. i accept anything that is realistic and understands anything can happen in new hampshire. the real measure of what the result is, is after the result comes in. too many people are trying to be predictive or trying to pretend they have a knowledge they don't have.

i have been around long enough to know, you work until the very last minute, which the governor is doing. he had events tonight. he'll have walk around and talk to people tomorrow as much as he can. and you keep working until -- until the polls close. then you are allowed to exhale just a little bit and then you get ready to go to south carolina. >> he definitely caught a little flak today for what his pursuers called major gaffe. let's take a look at what he said. >> i want individuals to have their own insurance. that means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy. it also means if you don't like what they do, you can fire them. i like being able to fire people that provide services to me. >> what was your reaction to that? you're a new hampshire man. was it a gaffe or saying the obvious? >> yes. he said the obvious and ouch, sometimes that hurts. all it made me feel was i wish i

had somebody to fire, being self-employed, the only person i can fire is me. well, i do frequently. >> but you have insurance, p.j. >> fire your insurance man. >> i am not firing my insurance man. they treat me pretty well. i actually like my insurance company. coming back to the polling thing, when people call us in new hampshire, when they call is in the middle of dinnertime, make us get up from the table and go answer our wall mounted phones in new hampshire, we tell them lies. you don't want to listen to polling too much in new hampshire. >> if i was spor to put you on the spot to say who are you supporting, do you have a candidate that has your eye? >> yes. but i may not vote for him, being a new hampshirite and therefore unpredictable. i'm going with romney because i'm looking at this line of candidates and waiting for ron paul's skull to explode and the tentacled thing to come out from inside there, waiting for newt

to blow up like the blowfish in "finding nemo." i'm looking at rick perry, the non-smoker's marlboro man. i'm looking at these. i may vote for huntsman just to send romney the message, look, we got another romney out there, okay? if you mess up, you can be replaced. you are fungible. >> the only saving grace we have. >> john, isn't this part of the problem with new hampshire, iowa is iowa, and they had their moment and it was very very close and very exciting. new hampshire likes to take itself a bit more seriously, they would argue, when it comes to these things and be more unpredictable and indeed trick the balloon of anybody they think is getting a little bit too super confident and complacent. >> well, look, new hampshire also rewards people for working hard. governor romney has been here quit a bit.

he has worked hard for the republican party, worked hard supporting republican candidates and even though we like to suggest that this thing is going to close down quite a lot over the last few hours, the fact is that he did build up an honestly earned base in the state. >> i've lived in new hampshire for a long time and i do what the governor tells me to do. >> the only problem we have is that -- the only problem we have is he might misspell the x. >> let me -- >> this is entirely true. >> let me leave you, p.j., with a final word on this. do you think whoever wins the nomination can actually beat barack obama, given the economic climate in america right now appears to be increasing and improving quite markedly. >> it's what i call the romney effect. i think people are beginning to understand the governor might get elected and a lot of the aggressive entrepreneurs are starting to hire and spend money and invest.

>> he's already having a positive effect on america. >> paradoxically, his success may be what makes it a much more difficult task for him to win. >> p.j., i did promise you the last word. i have to get you to jump in. go on. >> just that i think, you know, that the republican, probably romney, can beat obama, but it really will be a thumbs up-thumbs down judgment on the state of the american economy in the last four, three, four weeks before the november election. which is very sad, actually, because there are some big issues here on the table, some very important reasons to have this election and for it just to be -- for it to be determined by something that frankly the president can't do, the president is not in charge of the economy, in fact, one of the beauties of a free economy system is no one is in charge, no one person. >> on that bombshell, p.j., the

no one is in charge bombshell, i have to leave it there. thank you very much. today, newt gingrich picked up a palin endorsement, but not the top palin. sarah palin has herself yet to endorse a candidate. two of newt gingrich's top supporters are his daughters, kathy cushman and lubbers. >> thank you for having us on. >> i appreciate you being on. it's about time we had you on. we had the huntsman daughters on. are they your rivals in this race? >> not at all. we're all having a good time. i ran into them today. they're enjoying it with their father just like we are. >> tell me about your father. i've interviewed him a couple times now. he's obviously a very bright man. i get the sense he slightly boxed himself into this mr. nice guy thing and he's not really your dad, is he.

what he really wants to do is eat raw meat, previous which mitt romney. >> i don't know about the mitt romney part. >> he likes his steak medium rare. he's providing a clear contrast between himself and other candidates. that's what you see going forward, very persistent about people thinking about who they will nominate to run against president barack obama and he's done these things on a national level and positive vision for the future. >> he keeps using this word "baloney" and now a website devoted to this. the baloney website. did your father always use the word baloney? is he a big fan of baloney? >> i'm a big fan of baloney. >> it's a funny little phrase but his point is we need to be

very frank. the american people need to think very hard about who they nominate to run against president barack obama. i think in the last segment, you talked a little bit about the contrast. the contrast we need in the general election is a president who can't govern, can't pass a budget. and our father, newt gingrich who not only served as speaker but with a democratic president, reformed welfare, cut taxes and reduced spending and knows how to govern on a national level. >> let me put this to you. we have to wrap it here. he's also been a bit of a naughty boy in the past and people are using that baggage against him. he says he's a changed animal. has the leopard changed his spots, do you think? >> the great news about our father, he is a life-long lerner. he has converted to kat thol sirms, has his family completely behind him. my sister and i are behind him on the trail, love him and adore him. our husbands as well. being a grandfather has really

enlightened him and broadened his horizons and he is wise. he has governed and will do well. close your eyes and imagine newt gingrich debating barack obama and you know who will win. >> ladies, thank you very much. >> our pleasure. >> a lot of president candidates and jack welch saying mitt romney is the most qualified from a business point of view he's ever seen. we'll ask him why when we come back. [ kate ] most women may not be properly absorbing the calcium they take because they don't take it with food. switch to citracal maximum plus d. it's the only calcium supplement that can be taken with or without food. that's why my doctor recommends citracal maximum. it's all about absorption.

the biggest issue in this campaign is the economy. and one man who knows the economy is jack welch. says mitt romney is the most qualified leader from a business point of view he's ever seen run for president. welcome back, jack. >> last time, you were pretty pro tim pawlenty. many people think if he stayed the distance and not bailed out so soon, he would actually be in a very good position. >> what i like about pawlenty, i don't know him, i don't know romney very well. in pawlenty's case, he had a vision of 5% growth rate. put that up there, put every policy in the country around making that 5% and you'll get

real growth and get employment back. that's what we need. i liked that part of his campaign and wanted to take a good look at him on that basis. i think he might have had some runway if he stayed with it. we need a growth rate. >> mitt romney, you say from a presidential candidate point of view is the best you have ever seen. that's high praise. >> i'm talking about as a candidate. we never know what somebody will do when they get the big job, always a question. as a candidate, take john f. kennedy, nixon, go through them all, mitt romney has been to harvard law school, harvard business school. he went to bain consulting, first class company, built it, left to go to bain capital. consulting got in trouble, they brought him back and he fixed that. took it out of trouble for two years and brought it back. then he -- i was involved in the olympics in the 2002 one. we had bought it earlier, they were going down the drain, had a corruption scandal and they were

going to cancel after 9/11. romney went out there, rallied everybody and got the olympics on track and they had a very successful olympics after 9/11. then he came back in a democratic state and took on a $500 million deficit and turned it into a $2 billion positive budget gain. so he's fixed all kinds of things. he's fixed olympics, consulting companies, he's fixed government. he has a great background, family. you pick one. >> two things i would say to you. i wouldn't dispute anything you said. i interviewed him twice. he's a very impressive man and i liked them personally. his track record is obviously very good. what his critics say is, take the bain period of his life, actually, he's a classic asset stripper, hire em, fire em,

clean them out, his comment, i like firing people, to his critics way too close to home. he did like firing people. that's what people in that game do? >> stop it. i'm not in that game. >> is he neutral mitt? >> no, you rascal, you pulled that out of the hat. in private equity, that -- let's take -- i talked to a "new york times" reporter today, he was talking like this, i said, look what any "new york times" just did, laid off all these reporters in this recession, went down to mexico and raised money from a mexican, brought it back, to try and stay afloat. private equity goes in, gets the company lean, gets the company lean, gets it to win, gets it to grow and people win. if you look at the record, it's been studied by harvard, private equity grows faster than any traditional big business sector in the economy does once they go through this restructuring

piece. >> there was a young wise jack in the current climate with occupy wall street, was he unwise to use a phrase like "i like to fire people." >> look, he was using it in a totally different context. this is out of context beyond belief! out of context beyond belief! he was talking about his insurance company if they're not taking care of him in his health care problems. he likes to get rid of -- he was telling people, you'll have a choice, you'll have a choice with this plan and you'll be able to pick your own insurance company and be able to buy other insurance company you don't like. >> if he's as perfect as you think he is in almost every way, business-wise, family, everything, why is he unable to get his poll ratings any higher than that kind of 25% that he's been at now for months and months? why don't his own party see in him what you see? >> well, my wife saw this, when

you see people that perfect, you're always wondering what is there that isn't quite right? in his case, i think he really is perfect. as a candidate for the president of the united states in these tough economic times in these global waters that are tough. look at that background. you can't pick a candidate, you can't challenge my statement for the last 50 years on a candidate, you can't do it. >> i suppose what some people will say, look, he kind of personifies american corporate business and right now, they're the people collectively, many of them, who got america into its financial mess. >> he was governor of a state that was democratic and he went across the aisle and got all these things done. he went to the olympics, which is not -- he fixed that by rallying people. he's a leader. he's not a manager. you're trying to pigeon hole him into a corporate manager.

>> i'm saying what some of his critics say. i actually think a lot of what you are saying has merit. what i find be musing, many people do, why, given he on paper, looks to be such an ideal candidate, why wouldn't the republicans collectively racing to nominate him? why wouldn't they be getting behind him to take on obama because at the moment, they're not. >> this is early squirmishes. they will rally around and come to their senses and go with the right guy. this is the only answer. let's face it. we've got to grow. we've got to get jobs back. we can't keep throwing these regulatory burdens on the country. we have to get a businessman and a leader who's also been in the political front. >> we're talking of business leaders, i will now bring on somebody who may arguably be even more expert than you, jack, that is your wife, suzy, who by great coincidence, worked at bain under a certain mitt romney. she'll be fascinating, back after the break. [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day

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a story of greed, playing the system for a quick buck. a group of corporate raiders led by mitt romney. more ruthless than wall street. for tens of thousands of americans, the suffering began when mitt romney came to town. >> just when you thought it was safe to watch campaign ads, that's the latest pro gingrich super pac ad, winning our future. we established a supporter, jack welch. getting a few tweets saying, wow, jack looks good. what's your secret? your secret just arrived, your wife, suzy. jack says romney is perfect in every way. you're the perfect person to

ask, because you worked for him at bain. what's the reality behind the mist. >> when i see these ads by newt gingrich talking about how people began to lose their jobs when mitt romney came to town, it is such a stark contrast than what it was like to actually work at bain, there was this incredible almost bizarre rah-rah, go business, grow business. you were rated actually on your annual reviews or actually twice -- how you were with your client. it was keep your clients and get them to grow. >> was he ruthless? >> never in my experience ruthless. actually, quite the opposite. he was what you see now, sort of a boy scout. mitt is actually an old-fashioned person. you don't see that type any more. >> i got that sense when i interviewed him. he is quite old-fashioned in his values and the way he talks and his family.

you don't get many politicians like him. i'd ask you the same question, why if the credentials seem so good and testimony from people who worked with him so positive and great business leaders rate him so highly. why is he not polling better and not wrapped up. >> people look at him and think it must be phony. that affect can't be real. nobody looks like that, has that beautiful family. there's something we're not seeing. this is the "jersey shore" culture. he's too good to be true. >> is it the flip-flopping, the fact on many issues he has undeniably flip-flopped? he hasn't been consistent. people say rick santorum has been gathering momentum and traction purely because he's consistent. whether you agree with him or not, he has stuck to the same principles every step of the way. you can't say that about mitt romney. >> no. he's certainly grown and changed

his views on abortion and things like that. people do change their views. ronald reagan changed his views. i have changed my views. >> is it weakness or strength in a leader to do that? >> i think it's absolute strength. who wants some bullhead who gets a position at age 30 and stays with it until they put him in the box, end of game. you don't want that. you want somebody always learning, always growing, always thinking. i absolutely don't think that's a -- i think it's a great political argument. politicians can throw that at him. >> the big political ground is the economy, can hardly be anything else. you're the perfect thing to ask. on the face of it, the white house should be getting a little more excited. jobless figures improving, threat of double digit recession receding, europe is a basket case but the american economy would appear to be stabilizing, is that what you think? >> absolutely. i started saying that in august

when it was in the tank and saying it all along and now it's gaining momentum. however, to look at this recovery in some other context, we have 200,000 jobs that had a huge celebration after 7 million people have lost their jobs. in ronald reagan's recovery, we were getting 900,000 to a million a month. piers, here's what's zboeg going to be the irony of this campaign. david axelrod and the president out there saying, yes, i spent a trillion dollars but if i didn't spend a trillion, we'd be at 11 or 12% unemployment. >> is that true? >> i don't think so, because they spent it in a different way. let me go on with that. now, you have the republicans forced come this summer to say, yes, we have 3% growth, and, yes, we're getting economic jobs

back, we could be doing five times better if you let us get in there and deregulate, the flip argument trying to prove the negative. >> isn't the problem for republicans trying to go, hang on a second, you're the guys that got us into this mess so why should we believe you? >> they have to face that and say we have a plan to grow this economy not at a tepid 2 1/2 or 3% or 3 1/2, we've got a plan to take us to 5% and 5% unemployment and here's how we're going to do it. we will have an energy policy that makes united states energy independent, go right down the list. they have to have a vision that sells that. we can have a vision that we don't have this massive 8% unemployment come november and be teetering along and they've got to be able to sell we know how to get it to 5. >> suzy, if you're barack obama, you've had a pretty rough three years, it really has been one of the toughest presidencies imaginable because he inherited this huge part that nobody disputes.

has he done enough if you're being dispassionate about it, has he done enough to give him another run. >> i'm a republican so i don't think so. >> you seem like a fair-minded republican. >> wait a minute. there's an implication with that comment. >> opposed to some of our friends. >> i think at the end of the day, it actually doesn't matter because people end up voting on something quite different, vote on the humanity of the candidate. they say who do i trust more. >> does it matter if barack obama wins in a debate with mitt romney. people don't particularly warm to mitt romney and barack obama is a great campaigner and when he gets his gander up -- >> the problem is we know him more as a campaigner now. that worked the first time because all we knew was campaigner. you have technicrat versus technicrat, harvard law versus harvard business school and these two people's affect is similar and have a little bit of aloofness and feel both

unknowable and why it's incumbent upon romney to share the stories of himself and those close to him know. i was with him in a room after the lockerbie plane crash some bain consultants gathered together, he had us gather together and prayed for the consultants for the people in this room, it was a terrible disaster. he will need surrogates or himself to show it. >> let's take a break after talking about the concepts of st. nick and the campaign ads of the super pac that has been ruthless.

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>> my sons would tweet abuse about me. let's talk about the negativity that's come into this. i looked to american politics for years with a view people pretend they want it to be nice, they talk a good game about it being nice. isn't the harsh reality of an american presidential race, it always gets mean and nast city in the end, doesn't it? >> it always has been. this idea of polarization, go back to the founding fathers. this is a country that always has very heated positions on issues and will keep going on. >> what do you think of the sneakiness of this super pac system? it does seem to me to be very very sneaky. everybody knows romney supporters are behind his ones and gingrich's behind his. it's so transparent it actually defeats the whole purpose of saying you can't be involved in these things, doesn't it? >> this is what it has all come down to. they're super pacs. i'm no historian like newt gingrich. they used to have six hour

debates where they throw mud at each other and this is what it has evolved into and they will find a way to get negative messages out or a secret twitter campaign. this is what partisanship is. >> jack, you've been one of the best businessmen in american history, a rough tough world you operated in as is politics, what is this kind of person you're looking for in a president right now to deal with the president right now, when you hear someone like donald trump, another hugely successful businessman, he wants somebody getting into china and opec and protecting businesses and bringing some back to the country. do you agree with it? >> part of it but i don't agree with the trade war with china right out of the barrel. i want to deal forcefully with china but i don't think it serves anybody's interest to get in trade wars.

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blockbuster in "saving private ryan" and the envy of man everywhere in his marriage to christie turlington and a filmmaker for $9,000. congratulations. >> thank you. >> first question off the bat. why have you done this? >> there have been a couple of things happened in the last few years, the technological revolution that happened with digital cameras enabled us -- when i started with brothers mcmullen and made that movie for 25,000 you shot it on and old can 16 millimeter and looked like a cheap indy film. in the last few years, you had the red camera come out, pretty affordable. we shot this film on a cannon 5d, which is a still camera that also shoots video. i bought it at b & h for $2800. >> amazing.

>> the film looks terrific. >> let's see a clip and test this theory. >> listen, i appreciate you trying to be my big brother. >> i'm not trying -- but you are being crazy. you talked yesterday -- >> i know, i know. it happened. things happen sometimes. i'm handling it. >> you're not handling. what you're doing is sleeping with my wife's ex-husband. >> no, i'm not. i'm not sleeping with him. i slept with him. there is a defensive. >> you just couldn't tell that was some cheap relatively cheap way av making a movie. >> the exciting thing is -- i go to film schools all the time and talk to kids, what's exciting, the playing field has been leveled. now, these kids can get in and make a great looking film. you know, that point of entry is so low. there isn't the economic hurdle anymore. >> you also used, very cleverly, i thought, social media, twitter in particular, to help with the script for the movie, basically paying for nothing, you big 28 wad.

>> i've been very lucky with my twitter followers. >> them me how it worked. how did that work? >> i was coming up with the idea for the screen play, about a newlyweded couple on their second marriage, think they can stay above the fray, made the mistakes, and the second time around, something was going to happen to cause them to get to know one another in a real way. i tweeted out to my followers. what's the thing that happened in the first year of marriage you had the first big fight out, 9 out of 10 tweets that came back to me had to do with a family member, my crazy sister crashed on my couch and we had to move in with my in-laws. from there, it spurred and idea and i wrote the script accordingly. >> how will it fair this movie, do you think? >> the thing that's amazing is using social media to pub size the film. we did a digital distribution where it goes out on video on

demand and certain companies, like comcast and time warner have done a great job recognizing that the indy audience doesn't go to the theatre like they used to. they're sitting home on their couch pen and itune is a major component. and seven days of release, we have already made the budget back times five or six. and now the $9,000 budget. the budget after pro-post production is $120,000. >> and you already made $500,000? >> just a little shy of that. that's a properly good business. this makes money. >> we did not expect it to do this. we did a movie last year that did nowhere near that. it did very well, but this has surprised everybody. >> the advantages is -- if it flops, who cares. it's a shame for you artistically, but financially, you can do another one. >> we rook at it like this. we are an indy band. we're going to get together after work and rehearse.