in 2010 who they found were leaving the test exam and going to a test exam company and helping that company to generate a recall exam. the director there told us that this was a brain dumping, a case of brain dumping, called it grossly unethical and said it threatens the integrity of their standardized testing. >> thank you. >> that's it for tonight's show. >> that's it for tonight's show. i'm dr. sanjay gupta. >> i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for joining us. >> piers: tonight one of the coolest guys in rock 'n roll. ♪ i was born long ago >> piers: lenny kravitz's rock soul funk, is it possible to break it down? his music and life and vaerd loves. >> i just love women. they're incredible. i think they are god's most amazing creation.

>> piers: lenny kravitz exclusively for the house plus him at work on his new album. this is "piers morgan tonight." lenny kravitz may just be the coolest guy in america. he sold 35 million records, he's won four grammys among "let love rule," american woman" and plays every instrument you can imagine. he's never slowed down. you're the epitome of cool. just admit and get it out of the way. the kind of guy we all like to be? the kind of guy all women like us to be? >> i think you're doing pretty well, piers. i think you're doing pretty well. i'll play second for you in cool today. >> piers: now you said on the record you've just done it.

to be serious, i hope the answer is yes, because it gives me some suck ner this relationship we now have. is being so cool itself a terrible burden? >> i truly don't think about it. i think that if you asked my daughter, you know, i wouldn't be so cool. >> piers: but your daughter is cool. >> she's extremely cool. >> she's a cool rock chick. she's amazing. >> how could she not be, given the product of her parents. two of the coolest people. >> i'm buy that one. >> coolness runs in the genes, doesn't? >> a little bit. >> piers: how do you attain coolness? how does someone like me from all the many talents i probably doebt have, coolness certainly isn't one of them. how do you effortlessly without any effort get to be cool? >> what would make you cool is the fact that you don't try. >> piers: i'm trying too hard?

>> that's what's wonderful about people when you're a natural. >> piers: this is what i think. this is one of the coolest things i've seen. this is typical lenny kravitz. this is an album cover in vinyl, which is cool these days. secondly, amazing picture on the front. i turned it over, and there is your life in these extraordinary pictures. >> yeah. >> piers: i haven't seen an album cover or inside cover anything quite like had this, and yet for the theme you have of this, black and white america, there it is. there you are, lenny kravitz, the product of a black woman and a white man in america raised on the upper eastern new york. your dad was jewish, your mom is a christian. an almost unique perspective on life. >> i had an amazing childhood. i talked to a lot of people who didn't like their childhoods. they would not go back. they found it to be sad and

painful. i had the absolute opposite. i had a very rich childhood in the sense of experience. >> tell me about your parents. your mom was a famous actress, your dad was a television executive. tell me about them. >> reporte . >> my mother was born in miami, florida. her father came from the b bahamas. later the family moved to new york, and she wanted to be an actress. and her father, my grandfather, was going to do whatever he had to do to give her the tools she needed. my father was born in brooklyn, new york. his father from kiev in the ukraine. my father went to the military at a very, very young age. he was a green beret, he was a jungle expert.

you know, he was pretty scary, you know, when i was a child. >> piers: tell me about the mixture of your mom and your dad, then. your dad is this tough, hard-core green beret. your mom, from what i've gleaned, a softer character. >> yes. >> piers: perhaps a bit more creative artistic giving you that side of. the combination is pretty fascinating for someone going into the entertainment business. watching the way your career took off, you have that determination, that strength of character that i guess your dad had to not take no for an answer, to do things your way, to seize the moment, if you like. >> because of my father and just to let you know, you know, i loved my father dearly, and at the end of his life we became closer than ever. but it up wasn't always that way. >> piers: your parents divorced. >> yes. >> how old were you when that

happened? >> i was 21. >> piers: that's a hard age, actually, because you go through this amazing upbringing. >> at that point you think they've made it, but things happen. >> piers: what effect did that have on you? >> it had a very deep effect on me. it had a very deep effect on me. i was a mama's boy. i loved my mother. we were best friends. we were really, really close. and, you know, my father had his infidelities and so forth, and they came out. they were quite deep. i think she didn't know how to rebound from that. >> piers: the relationship kind of exploded because it wasn't like she'd seen this coming, really. this was just like -- >> to be truthful i think she knew the man. she knew who he was. apparently when i was a child,

my mother would have to go retrieve him from other women's apartments. >> piers: really? >> with me in her arms ringing the bell. which reminds me of that scene from good fellas. >> piers: i was going to say, i know that scene. i was thinking of that. >> you know, he had his demons, and i think that his father was the same. i think he tried to escape that, because on his deathbed all of this came out. >> piers: to you? >> yes. it was difficult, but my mother always taught me that that's your father. regardless of what he did it to me, he's your father, and you have to honor him. you have to love him. you have to respect him. she'd always refer to the bible and say it says, you know, honor thy mother and thy father.

it doesn't say but, or, unless, or if. it says honor them. that's what you have to do. her thing was always do what you're supposed to do. don't worry about everybody else. i was taught to be that way. so, you know i took care of him, i saw him, i loved him. there was always a plate of glass between us. >> piers: an emotional barrier? >> yeah. it was difficult. >> piers: when you had this time with him, when you knew he was dying, do you think because you realized he wasn't going to be around this was the last chance to have that conversation with him? >> i think he honestly had a spiritual awakening, because he, you know -- i don't want to paint him as this, you know, horrible man. if i ever bumped into anybody that knew him, oh, your father.

he's so lovely. he's so charming. he's wonderful. he was a wonderful man. >> piers: there are many people in the military who this kind of emotional -- >> that had a lot to do with it, because part of what he admitted to me when he was dying was that he was brainwashed in the military. he said, you know, i was brainwashed. i thought i had to be this way, and i was so young and i was trained to be this way. he said that it always felt like there was a monkey on his back, and he couldn't get it off. >> piers: what did he say to you when he finally opened up up? >> he made mistakes. he wished he could have change it had. he didn't know how. he admitted it, and it was beautiful. from that moment on he lived another maybe month. it was the best month of our lives. it made up for everything, because it's one thing to have your father in front of you and see him and say, you know, hello, and hug him and kiss him.

whenever i would be close with him, it always felt a little strange. like we'd hug and it would it be like a little uncomfortable. after that experience in the hospital, when everything came out and he explained himself, i could actually lay in the bed with him. i could rub his head. i could hold him. it was beautiful. >> piers: what an amazing thing? was your mother still alive? >> she wasn't. my mother's been gone for 17-some-odd years. >> piers: she never knew you had this amazing time with your father. how would she have felt about that? >> wonderful. she loved him to the end. >> piers: she knew that side of him as well? >> of course. my life wouldn't be what it is without the two of them, without both sides. i truly believe that god puts things in front of you the way they need to be. it was all wonderful. it was all wonderful. you know, i don't look back on it with any kind of animosity or

ill feelings. it's the way it was supposed to be. >> piers: incredible story. let's take a break and talk more about "black and white america." we have a black president of america. do you think america is more or less racist? >> obama's black? beth! hi. looking good! you've lost some weight.

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just because helen says she has a maid twice a week -- >> twice a week is a cleaning woman. we're going to have a real maid with a uniform, one that fits my position. i worked my way from the bottom up to the top. >> so does a gopher. >> tom, it feels so good to disagree with them again. >> your mother in the classic tv series "the jeffersons." very interesting because in that she played half of a mixed race marriage. >> what are the chances of that, right? >> and she was in real life. >> i remember when she auditioned, she was at the time in a play on broadway called

"the river niger" with the negro ensemble company and she got the call from norman leer. he had seen the play and she flew out to california to audition. she auditioned. he loved her. and he was getting ready to hire her. this is 1974. and so norman leer sat her down and said, look, i want you to play this part but, you know, are you going to be comfortable playing the wife of a white man? and she pulled out her wallet and had a picture of my dad and said, this is my husband. and he said, oh, great. you've got the part. >> an amazing thing. very groundbreaking time. >> kids in school -- because my father was white, they assumed that was my father. na that franklin coburn was my father. >> confusing. >> yeah. >> what are your memories of that? was it very controversial at the time in the sense did it attract racists? did they try to protest about it?

>> most definitely. my mother used to get hate mail, death threats. people couldn't deal with it. that was the first interracial kiss on primetime television and it was quite controversial. to me, no. it was completely natural. >> because you'd seen her with your dad. >> i grew up in a house i had no idea about racism or prejudice. no idea. >> did you get picked on at all once the tv show took off? >> yeah, but harmless. kids used to call me, you know, zebra or panda or my mother was mrs. night and my father was mr. day. ridiculous things kids say but it never bothered me. >> obviously since barack obama became president there's been a big debate about whether they feel instinctively america has gotten more or less racist as a country. since the first black president.

what do you think? >> it's funny because i've been in europe touring a lot lately. the first question they always ask because of this album, is racism over in america? what does that mean? they think it's over. are things better? are things great? yes. it's nothing like it was 40 years ago. but we still have a long way to go. what i think is interesting and what prompted the song "black and white america" is i had seen a documentary. i don't know the name of it or what it was, but there was this group of americans saying this was not their america. they were not happy with what america had become. they wanted it to go back to what it was, say, 100 years ago. they had plans on assassinating the president, all this horrible stuff. and it's just amazing there are people still like that.

but there's kind of a tug of war going on. in a lot of senses, because we've moved forward in so many ways that people would like it to go back. >> there's a line here i got from the notes in the album. martin luther king had a vision and that's a fact. he died so we could see this was his mission. don't look back. there is no division. don't you understand? very direct there. in 1963 my father married a black woman. when they walked the street they were in danger. and then it goes on, very personal, very poignant. i mean, my sense, i've been in america the last six or seven years, what it did was highlight racism in a way that probably hadn't been since the '60s. it focused people's minds. and that in itself is not a bad thing even if it's painful in the short term. >> no. >> it brings it all out. >> i thought his speech on race when he talked about his

upbringing, for me it was such a beautiful moment because there was a politician standing up there that understood exactly what i understood. both sides equally. and that was a beautiful moment because i thought he really laid it out. >> do you know obama? >> i don't know him. i spoke to him once on the telephone. >> i heard, and you can correct if it's wrong,that conversation the president said to you, i have a woman next to me who went to high school with you who says, tell lenny kravitz he's hotter now than he was in school. >> you have it verbatim. so i want to know who you're talking to. that was exactly the conversation. >> the president rang and filled me in. >> i figured. >> so that was right? >> exactly. >> so who was the woman? it wasn't michelle. >> no, no, no. we didn't go to high school together. >> do you agree with that assessment? do you think you're hotter now than you were in high school? i called you cooler. >> again, this whole hot/cool

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>> let's find the funk here on this verse. ♪ lenny kravitz in the studio working on his latest album. it's a great album. >> thank you. >> really enjoyed listening to it. let's talk about women. you have something that women like. it's not just your musical ability. >> and what is that, piers? >> i don't know. but even my wife as i left today gave birth to our child ten days ago, she said if i ever would leave you, it's for lenny kravi kravitz. a pretty sobering moment, i'll tell you. wasn't happy. but you have gotten this magnetic appeal to women. how do you feel? >> how do i feel? >> don't try and be too modest. >> no, no, no, i love women. i think that's the fact that i grew up around a lot of strong

women. >> what did your mother tell you about women and how to treat them? >> well, to treat them with respect and so forth. yes. >> you're a single man at the moment. is it changing, that situation? is it near to changing? have you got anyone? >> i would like it to change. i think it's a good time for that to change. >> what is it you love about women? >> i just love women. they're incredible. they're -- i think they are god's most amazing creation. >> are you easy to be with? >> am i easy to be with? >> you seem so effortlessly charming. most musicians are quite neurotic, difficult, edgy. it's the nature of the beast. >> i wouldn't say i'm the easiest person to deal with. i can be both. i can be very easy to be with and i can be difficult depending on what's going on.

because my life is a bit crazy. moving around, a different country every day, long tours. it's not easy to build something. >> very hard for relationships. >> extremely, extremely. it's an occupational hazard. it's difficult. >> do you worry that some of your father's behavioral issues rubs off? >> completely. i'm completely aware of that. and it's something that i have fought and that i consciously continue to fight and pretty much work my way through it. it took a long time. and i'll share something with you. i don't like to say it but i think you'll understand.

when my parents split, my mother sat me down with my father and basically said, you know, your father is going to leave. this is what happened. blah, blah, blah. i already knew but she wanted to have this conversation with the three of us. and then she looked at him and said after she explained the whole scenario and he was getting ready to leave, his bags were at the door. and she looked at him and said, what do you have to say to your son? and he walked up to me and he looked me in my eye and he said, "you'll do it, too," and he walked out. >> wow. >> that's quite deep. >> how old were you? >> 21. and i was a young 21. i was a young 21. i don't think i realized what that moment did until so many years later.

>> what did it do? >> it put something in me. it was just bizarre. i think -- i think the reason that he said that was because his father had done exactly the same thing. and he had ill feelings towards his father because of what he did to his mother. so i think that he just thought this was just the way it was going to be. >> and was he right? >> was he right? >> was there a moment for you when you did something and you thought, my father was right? >> oh, yeah. there were times where i did not behave properly. there were times i was not respectful. there were times i was just out on a limb. but i did let him know it was really detrimental.

>> you've been out with some of the most famous women in the world, allegedly. >> mm-hmm. >> madonna, naomi campbell, the list is long and illustrious. all it's cracked up to be? famous sex symbols? >> people are people. everyone on your list i did not go out with, by the way. >> really? don't disappoint me now, come on. >> you know if you're walking down the street with somebody and they get a picture and it comes out in the paper, then you're going out with them. but, yes, there have been -- there have been many and they have been wonderful experiences. >> you are 47 now. >> yes. >> i'm 46. >> you have to call me sir. >> you look about ten years younger than me. there are a few other things i'd like to call you actually. but do you dream wistfully of getting married, having more

children, that kind of more conventional thing that your mother certainly dreamed of? >> i do. and i wanted it for some years, but i wasn't ready. and now i'm ready. now i'm ready. >> i'm told if i ask you who the great love of your life has been you would say lisa bonet. >> most definitely. >> the mother of your child. >> that was a magical experience. >> she is an incredibly beautiful woman, very smart. i'm a big, big fan of hers. what went wrong there? >> young. >> too young? >> young. a lot going on. zoe was born, i got a record deal, i was on tour all at the same time. we were young. but the beautiful thing is that now we're best friends. she's like my sister. and i love the man she's with. i love her new children. we're all together, and it's great. but that was a very magical time.

>> and how do you feel about your daughter now going into the business? and very successfully. she's a great actress. >> thank you, thank you. >> are you happy or concerned? >> i'm not concerned at all. >> great benefits to you. >> i'm concerned about her but i'm not concerned about her being in the business. >> you are a classic example of somebody who has had such a fabulously successful career and yet you can see the detriment of being a famous sex symbol and all the stuff that goes with big success in this kind of business. it's not easy, is it? >> no, it's not easy. i think she is very grounded. at times i believe she is more grounded than i am. she is definitely smarter than i am. in a lot of cases. >> are you a good dad do you think? >> as my mother said, self-praise is no recommendation. you can ask zoe.

i've enjoyed every moment of it. we're best friends. so i think that speaks for itself. >> if i was interviewing zoe about you, how would she describe you? >> i think she would say i'm extremely funny and goofy and the opposite of everything you said today about being cool and all that. >> really? what the last mem memoriably goof where i thing you've done. i'll pin zoe down. how goofy does your dad get? >> you'll have to ask her. i'm ridiculous. >> let's take a little break. i want to talk about the move you made as a family from new york, upper east side, to beverly hills to l.a. a big move to make when you're young. >> yes. ♪ ♪ ♪ i don't know why we go inside ♪

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aren't you that guy from the black-eyed peas? you guys helped the packers win the super bowl. you remember what i'm talking about? when you and fergie were out there doing the dances. >> would you like some cookies lenny kravitz? it has walnuts and butterscotch chips.

>> i hate walnuts! >> so that's the goofy stuff. i'd forgotten. that was funny. absolutely hilarious. you've always laughed at yourself. >> of course. >> is that a key to survival in this ridiculous business? >> you have to laugh, baby. >> your family came to hollywood when you were how old? >> 11. >> 11. something different from new york. >> it was culture shock. >> completely different. >> completely. >> what was it like for you? >> i remember the first day it was quite strange. i'm coming from new york city. i'm 11. at 11 years of age you're independent in new york, taking the train, taking the bus, hanging out with my friends, we're running the streets. you know everybody in the neighborhood. flew to l.a. we moved to santa monica. that was the first place we lived. i remember the first morning waking up and walking outside and there was nobody. there was nobody on the street. there was nobody walking.

i didn't understand. where is everybody? your parents had to drive you somewhere. you couldn't just jump on the subway. it was really, really strange. everybody thought i spoke funny. i had a new york accent then. >> the one thing you have that many famous people these days do not have is you have got a lot of talent, genuine talent. not just the singing. on the first album you played many of the instruments on that. so you have got a huge, natural music ability. who are the most naturally gifted artists you've encountered in your lifetime? >> so many. i mean, starting with duke ellington who i knew as a child. miles davis. michael jackson who i worked with. prince. robert plant, led zeppelin, stevie wonder, marvin -- i can go on and on and on.

nina similar simone. >> what do they have that makes them a star? because you can be a great artist without being a star. >> that's true. >> what's the extra dimension that turned those people -- >> it's that thing. >> what is it? >> you can't really name it. >> can you describe it? >> it's just that thing, something special. that spark. >> when did you realize you had it, the whole package, the ability to take the talent and the artistry and be a star? what was the moment for you? >> i don't know if i've even come to that moment yet. >> well, 35 million albums isn't bad. >> i'm very hard on myself. >> you don't think you're a star? >> somehow i'm always still that kid trying to get the record deal. very strange. >> is that insecurity or is it hard work? >> i put myself up against the greatest people, the people i mentioned, the people that

influenced me that are amazing. that's what i'm weighing myself against. i think that i'm beginning to get there. and i think my best work is yet to come. >> let's take another break. i want to talk about what is the single most fascinating thing about you. you went to school with slash from guns n roses. >> yes, i did. >> who is a fascinating guy. let's talk about him after the break. ♪ ♪ it's barely morning ♪ the city is moving fast with your mortgage,

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what you see is what you get. he's honest. he's loving. >> two immediate questions spring to mind. >> okay. >> who has more tattoos? >> i don't know. i don't know what he's got now. maybe we're about the same. >> you have a whopping jesus christ on your back, right? >> not actually, the words and then i have japanese tattoos and all kinds of things. >> how many do you have? >> i can't even count. >> he's loaded. i've seen some of them. >> have you? >> not all of them. >> and the other thing, i suppose, you said you've gone 20 years on marijuana, so who has taken more drugs, you or slash? >> i don't know. that would be some stiff competition. i don't know. >> does it help the creative process? sergeant pepper was made entirely on lsd, one of the greatest albums of all times. >> of course. >> is the drugs process

so many musicians go through, is it tangibly better for creative music-making? >> i suppose at the time i thought it was. what i realized later was that i was just sort of protecting myself. i would just smoke weed all day and all night. i would wake up, yawn, and light the joint. >> just do it all day long. >> all day long. in fact, even at one point i had a guy on staff whose job was to roll joints. >> all day long? >> all day long. all day long. >> joint roller. >> all day long. >> what a great job. >> and he got to get high, too. and then i would go to bed and put the joint out and fall asleep. it was all day long. >> and what does that do to you over time? >> well, it just basically puts this wall of fuzz around you. but i realized that, you know, i was trying to protect myself

from something and i was keeping things out and then when i stopped, real life all of a sudden was so psychedelic and so -- i don't even know. it was weird for a long while because i hadn't felt that. >> are you pretty clean these days? >> oh, yeah, yeah. >> do you ever go recklessly partying? >> not really. not really. i have good fun. good fun. >> you're into french bordeaux. >> yes. >> that's my favorite stuff. >> all right. you're a bit of a connoisseur. >> when you come to paris, we'll go in the cellar. >> what have you got in there? >> i have some stuff. >> '61? >> of course. >> wow, really? >> of course. >> i'm coming to your place in paris. let's take another break for the final segment. i want to talk to you about your other career. you have a movie out. not content with being cool and

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i'm a male nurse. i'm nurse john mcfadden. >> are you married? >> no. i gotta go. that's all right. that's all right. >> hey. can i get a kiss, too? >> good afternoon, ladies. >> bye, nurse john. >> lenny kravitz in 2009's "precious." do you like the process of making movies, because i would imagine for someone from the world of music it's a very -- it must be very laborious. >> i just did "hunger games" and i was in the north carolina for a month. with music you get on stage and do it. you're in the studio and do it.

it was a lot of waiting in the trailer. >> sounds boring. >> you know, it was great. when you're doing the scenes, it felt really, really good. most of my scenes were with jennifer lawrence, who is wonderful. >> tell me about "hunger games." >> well, obviously, it's a trilogy of books by suzanne collins, and it's about this other world where they take the kids that live in all these different districts that are left to an arena, which is like a world of forests and so forth and they fight until one is left. and i play a character called seni who is the stylist. >> of all the things you experienced in your extraordinary career and life,

if i can give you five minutes to replay one of them again, what would it be? what's been the most magical? forget women or children for a minute, the birth of a child is obviously different. what's the career moment where if you had the chance, you'd relive it? >> the career moment? wow. you know, i've had so many where i had to pinch myself. >> what was the biggest pinch? >> probably producing michael jackson. there's been a lot of great ones, but that was something extraordinary. >> what made it so extraordinary? >> well, the fact that i wouldn't be here today if i hadn't seen the jackson 5 when i was 6 years old. that was the first concert that i'd ever been to. my father took me to madison square garden to see them. it changed everything. the universe was a different place the next day.

i was completely blown away by the music, the talent, the whole experience. and here i am in the studio. i've written a song for michael, and he's standing there telling me to, you know, be very hard on him. i want to do this exactly the way you see it, so up stop me every time it's not the way you want it and so forth. we're getting into it and working together, and we ended up spending a week together in the studio. it was just unbelievable. >> what kind of man was he for real? >> i thought that he, first of all, was just a beautiful being. extremely professional, a perfectionist. still having the passion all those years later, you know. he would stay, work all day and night, come back the next day all day and night. he hadn't lost that. a great father.

he was aamamazing with his children. i spent time with the kids. zoe would come, and we'd all hang out together. he was a good father and he was funny, very funny. >> great sense of humor? >> we laughed all the time. he could eat more than you think. >> really? had all the energy to burn off all the dancing. incredible time. >> the greatest ever. i would agree with that. >> how did you feel when you heard what happened to him? there's sort of mixed thoughts from people that knew him well. there was a kind of neve inability with his life and the way it was going. actually, not getting old may have been something that wouldn't have been his worst nightmare. >> well, it's interesting. i heard you speaking to jane fonda about that, and she had spoken about that. i mean, i was obviously devastated and blown away. i found out on stage in scott

lan land as i was coming off getting ready to go back out on encore and they told me. i had to go back out. i mean, it's -- it's extremely sad. i mean, i was really looking forward to seeing him come back and do those shows, even though i knew like, wow, 50 shows. that's really serious. >> is his legacy of our lifetime because you get the older generation saying sammy davis, pretty well the greatest entertainer of that era or whatever. do you think of our lifetime michael jackson was the best? >> of course. you can't touch him. >> the greatest naturally gifted as you said earlier entertainer of them all? >> yes, completely. and i think people -- people think about michael jackson and his solo career which was obviously phenomenal, but the deepest genius i saw