says he's too old now to entertain such an idea. >> i would be hesitant to have anything to drink right now. althou although i'm hammered at the moment. >> pat sajak and alex trebeck and me. now that would be a game show worth watching. super pacs are spending millions and millions and millions of dollars on candidates, but we don't know who the donors are. we may be about to find out. and is it just what president obama needs to seal it up? and a lawsuit filed today, seeking millions of dollars, actually hundreds of millions of dollars for the passengers onboard the cruise ship that crashed into rocks in italy. as a matter of fact, we're looking at more than $450 million. a lawyer joins us tonight. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone.

happy friday, everyone. i'm erin burnett. the million dollar election so far. $35 million have been spent in only four states on the republican side. and 85% of the money that gingrich and romney's super pacs has spent have been on negative acts. >> gingrich exaggerating, dropping reagan's name 50 times. but reagan mentions gingrich only once. >> there are a lot of reasons not to elect me. >> all right. but $35 million super pac damage so far is just a scratch compared to the gash this money will inflict on candidates before november. american crossroads and priorities usa action are two names we all need to know.

they're the big super pacs for the republicans and the democrats. and they say they will raise millions of dollars for their candidate. who is bank rolling all of this. you may find out a little bit on tuesday. that's when super pacs are required to reveal their donors. but guess what? there's a loophole and both american crossroads and priorities usa action are exploiting it. this is a bipartisan loophole as frankly most loopholes are. here's how it works. super pacs are allowed to have a nonprofit arm. so, for example, the nonprofit for the conservative pac, super pac, american crossroads is c l called crossroads gps. so if a donor writes a check to crossroads gps, then the donor's name never has to be disclosed. so a super pac expert tells "out front" to expect these anonymous

donations to add up to big, big, big money. we wanted to ask whether we can close this loophole. so at least we know who is bank rolling the candidates. well, will it happen? not likely. i asked bill burton, the head of the democratic super pac that we're talking about, priorities usa action, whether he would be open to disclosing his donors. >> no, what we're going to do is we're not going to give karl rove, the koch brothers, the private equity guys supporting mitt romney any more advantages. we're not in position of saying we'll step aside and let you playing by a different set of rules. >> instead of everyone shaking hands saying we should all disclose. like we said, a bipartisan loophole action.

great to have all of you with us. i know i say it with a little bit of a smile, dave, this is bipartisan in a sense, but it truly is here. what i fail to understand, and maybe you can explang why this loophole exists. >> of course, the democrats want to blame the pruns and the republicans want to blame the democrats. but you're right. this is not exclusive to any one party. and is this going to change? well, congress tried to change it back in 2010. they tried to pass a piece of legislation called the disclose act. well, it went nowhere. and right now, the federal election commission, congress again, the irs, pretty much everyone is thinking about weighing in, but really not going anywhere with it. you've got to wonder if the supreme court is going to actually get involved again. of course, back in 2010, there was a major court decisions called citizens united versus the federal election commission that set all of this into motion as we know it now. i know you see a use for super

pacs. ear demonized and they run negative ads. i want to ask why you think there's a role for them in american politics. but first, if you give massive amounts of money as a company or wealthy individual to a super pac and you write a little check to its charity, it really seems ridiculous that you should not be able to disclose who you are. how does the lack of transparency here make sense. can it? >> i absolutely understand where dpoeks are. co-ing from. but the charitable arms do fundamentally different stuff. they're work on larger ideological products, not necessarily on campaign advertising as such. and the thing is, anonymous political speech has been a part of american life for a really long time. james madison and alexander hamilton didn't use their real names when they were writing the federalist papers. there's a reason for that. there's a space for protecting anonymous political speech. >> the bottom line here is that a lot of people wouldn't give a lot of money if they were going to have to disclose. a lot of wealthy people don't

want that kind of attention. so the fact that there is a way to give an awful lot of money without disclosure actually encourages contribution to these super pacs. it's one of the reasons politicians like that. >> but shouldn't we need to know, dave? that's exactly my point, right? a wealthy individual or a big company gives a lot of money in the hopes that, well, they're going to get something. i'm not saying they're trading for a spefrk something but yeah, they want influence. shouldn't we have the right to know? >> these nonprofit groups in some cases are spending seven, even eight figures on political advertisements. advertisements that are if not overtly going for or against a political candidate are getting pretty darn close to that line. and really what the internal revenue service says if you're a nonprofit group, you can be politically engaged but you can't have it as your primary purpose. a lot of people are arguing that many of these groups are being set up to exploit that loophole, to include their donors but really when it comes down to it, have a primary purpose of

playing politics. >> and gloria, i guess this kind of comes back to congress and the frustration that so many americans feel with congress that, of course, when this comes in front of them, they're going to say keep the loophole because they benefit from the super pac money. >> right. you know, i mean, to be fair a lot of democrats includeding the president didn't like the citizens united decision that allowed these super pacs to flourish. but now that you've got them, you interviewed bill burton there, nobody is going to unilaterally disarm and say okay, i'm going to disclose but then again, you don't have to disclose, right? and in a way, these super pacs as you know, erin, they service the candidates' purposes so well. they have denyability. okay, they can do the negative ads, we really hate them but we can't talk to them. it's not us, it's them. >> we need something like the last nuclear disarmament summit.

you were in the position tonight of trying to explain why super pacs have a relevant and important role to play and are not just negative vehicles for big influence and big money. >> super pacs have become a huge vehicle precisely because we made it hard for the political parties to be accountable and effective. you could write a check to a political party and then was able to put money into a little known candidate. candidates have to be able to raise huge amounts of money and we need to have other organizations that request have a voice and allow people to influence the larger political environment. that's what super pacs are doing. they're not doing it as well as the parties would, but that was caused by this desire to regulate the system into the shape that people wanted to be in. >> makes you want to go back to the old days. although that would decimate our industry.

>> what are we going to find out next week when we find out we're going to get disclosures from the super pacs and they don't have the nonprofit loophole. so we should get a full list, right? >> sort of pit's only going to be through december 31. all the spending that's taken place in january, which of course has been millions upon millions of dollars, we won't get a chance to see yet. but really, this is a -- strikes to a very interesting situation that we have here in that we have all of the things that have been spent, all the ads that we know are out there, we know how much these super pacs are spending, yet we don't know who's been fuelling the ads going up on television. there's a big disconnect with the law right here and we're finally going to be able to close that down just a little bit. >> if you're afraid of people knowing what you're doing, maybe you're doing something you shouldn't be, right? that's what kids learn? thanks to all of you. we appreciate it. does a growing economy, even

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tonight, his captors say they'll execute him if they don't get his ran some. on tuesday, nine pirates died when special forces, u.s. s.e.a.l. team 6 rescued buchanan who was held by pirates. let me just start by asking you this, obviously a lot of these pirates are young kids, they're desperate. they don't have a lot to lose. do you think, though, the raid from the s.e.a.l.s earlier this week actually put his life at greater damage? >> i really don't. first of all, it's a semantic difference. these are pirates. they're kidnappers. they're hanging on in this case in a hostage situation. i have no doubt that if there's another assault that they would use any means necessary. but i think that we see in every situation in somalia, whether it's pirates or kidnappers, they're willing to use force,

they're willing to kill their hostages as a method to get the ransom they kbhademand. >> how serious do you take their threats to execute? >> well remember, this is a business. they have no intention of killing as long as they can the money that they're looking for. but they will use, as i said earlier, extraordinary means. we had a situation where recently, a taiwan captain had his hand cut off. >> so u.s. policy is the united states of america does not negotiate with pirate, does not negotiate with terrorists. behind the scenes, obviously sometimes the united states of america does just that. should nit this case? or does that then just open the door for these things to start escalating. should the united states back off and try to call these guys' bluff with someone's life hanging in the balance?

>> first of all, we never leave an american in the hands of kidnapper, either here in america or abroad. it remains a policy in the united states that we don't negotiate with terrorist, but that doesn't stop the government from rely on the commercial sector to get their people out, to get their ships out. those captains have a duty to care and it is part of this commercial exchange, this commercial transaction. and that's really what we have at root here, a simple commercial transaction. the pirates and kidnappers want money. the money is paid and the people are released. >> well, thank you very much. appreciate you taking the time tonight. the first lawsuits were filed against the cruise ship company that ran aground last tuesday. this. co-s the same day the cruise line offered $14,000 to each passenger. the cruise line, of course, is

carnival. the captain is now under house arrest, facing possible charges of manslaughter and abandoning ship. 16 bodies have been recovered from the wreckage, 16 still missing. my next guest represents the six passengers who just sued cruise line company. good to see you, sir. we appreciate it. the cruise ship came out. they limit damage to about $16,000 a person. thaf are offering about $14,000 as well as psychological counseling for passengers. why was that enough? >> why was that not enough, did you ask? >> right. >> it is an insult. this was not an incident that could be covered by the ticket limitations. erin, this is an act of horrendous negligence. it was careless disregard for human life and property.

this was not covered by any limitations. >> how did you find the six client tlas you have? >> well, clients have found us in a number of different ways. we have a lawyer in italy, a consumer group who sent us a number of italian plaintiffs, and the americans, we have two miami and two from new york in this particular suit. they know us by reputation. we just handled the world trade cent center litigation. another litigation where people said you could never recover. >> here's my only thing about this. i think some people struggle to understand it in lawsuits. economic and compensatory damages if your clients, punitive damages of $450 million. that sounds obscene and frankly, well beyond the damage of people who got off the shipper fectly

healthy and sound. is this just a number you throw out there for dramatic effect? some may say you're the example of why we need tort reform in america. >> absolutely not, erin. first, nobody got off that shipper fectly okay. that's a fallacy. nobody that was on that ship that faced that terror, that faced death and ultimately got off the ship will remember that for the rest of their lives. whether or not they have a scratch. the psychological aspect is with them for the rest of their lives. it's impossible for them to understand the emotional suffering a person is going to have to undergo the rest of their lives as a result of this absolutely reckless and careless conduct by the ship and the captain and carnival itself. >> but how do you get a number of more than $1 million a

person? >> these are numbers that are put into lawsuits. it gets the attention of the defendants here. >> so it is -- so i understand. so you are doing it to get attention. you're not doing it because you think that's the number you're going to get or that you think is there. >> we do not know the nature and the full extent of the damages that these people have suffered. that may not be known for years. so we have to make sure that they are covered adequately. >> well, thank you very much, sir. we appreciate it. thank you for coming on. and obviously people did go through a great deal of pain. we're going to hear more about what people are doing about it and we're going to keep covering exactly how these lawsuits go forward. a tragic accident or horrific honor murder? that decision right now is in the hands of jurors right here in north america. and what's your favorite airport? think that's an oxymoron, huh? well, maybe not. we'll be back. i wouldn't do that. get married?

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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, what we focus in our own r reporting, do the work and find the "outfront" five. number one, the shady super pacs. $35 million have been spent by super pacs so far in just four

states on ads. the powerful political groups are required to disclose donors next tuesday, so we're going to find out who's giving the big bucks, right? not exactly. there's a loophole and the biggest super pacs are exploiting it. a lot have non-profit a.r.m.s., so your identity doesn't have to be disclosed. so we may never know who is bankrolling the biggest super pacs. you could be looking at a billion on this campaign. two, a judge sentenced joshua komisarjevsky to death. he said quote i did not rape, pour that gas or light that fire. he was convicted of killing william pettitte's wife and two daughters before setting their house on fire. dr. pettitte was the sole survivor of the attack. number three, proctor and gamble announced its quarterly profit fell 49% last year. there were some one-time charges that hurts company.

if you take those out, the company did better than wall street was looking for and p&g actually cut its outlook for the quarter because of a higher tax rate. number four, the u.s. economy grew by 2.8% in the last three months of last year. now that was weaker than expected. they were looking for 3%. now, there was a pick-up in consumer spending, but it wasn't as much as people were looking for and the cut in defense spending hurt gdp in the quarter. nigel gault tells us the data does not show the recovery taking off. this is consistent with improvement, which may be enough to get the president re-elected. it's been 175 since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. cypress, which is a really interesting, you know, money laundering center. spain, italy and belgium. the president out in the

important swing state of michigan today selling his state of the union message and fighting back against republican attacks that he's trying to redistribute wealth and engage in the, quote, politics of envy. >> nobody envies rich people. everybody wants to be rich. everybody aspires to be rich and everybody understands you've got to work hard if you're going to be financially successful. that's the american way. >> thousand miles away, the president's republican opponents fighting for 50 delegates in florida because every delegate counts. romney is ahead of gingrich by nine points and this was taken before the debate last nigh, which by most accounts, romney seemed to have a strong performance. now, john avlon, jamal simmons

and rick willen. great to have you with us. >> happy friday. >> we finally got here. with a few minutes to spare. john, let's talk about this politics with envy charge. it's something the republicans have been talking about. it's become a little bit of a phrase. it's going to be something people talk about on the campaign trail this year. is the president's push back on this convincing? >> well, the president needs to push back. republicans are going to label anything they can class warfare and the president is trying a populoust appeal. that's his key edge. pitting mitt romney or whoever the republican nominee is, mr. 1%. the democratic base, particularly, the liberal base, is limited. only 20% of americans say they're liberal, so he's walking a fine line on the republican side that he is talking about

wealth redistribution. >> jamal, let me ask you about what the president's plan is. the economic numbers were disappointing, but they may be enough to keep getting the kind of job growth we've been getting, which may be enough to get the president re-elected on that key point that matters so much. do you get the feeling they are concerned in the white house, that the economy is not cooperating? >> i think they're more concerned about what mayo cur. if the president can make the argument that we've turned the corner, the trajectory is going in the right direction, get a new president, it's going to take a long time for him to get up to speed and get moving. if he can make the argument, he's okay. the problem b is you've got europe dangling out there. you've got iran out there. there are all kinds of things that could put a shock to the system they can't control. that may make them more nervous. >> let me talk about what went on in florida. it was interesting to watch the debate last night. how many times did we hear the

word despicable in debates? two times. one by newt and one by mitt. by most accounts, romney came on strong, fought hard and seemed to win. what do you see in terms of momentum? is it affecting newt gingrich or not? >> well, i think people had come to expect that newt is always going to perform this parlor trick and it just didn't happen for him last night. he had a situation where wolf blitzer, you know, was ready for him and just cold cocked him when he went after him. the audience was not with newt gingrich last night and they're complaining the audience was stacked, but the fact of the matter, he didn't connect with a audience like he did in south carolina and when voters predicate their support and he doesn't deliver, then he's going to obviously have a night where he can't sustain the mojo. >> can't be amazing every night. i like the wolf blitzer cold cocked one. you've been following mitt romney all day. does he seem to feel more

confident? it was actually part of the reason he performed so well last night is he was feeling the heat, so he lashed out. >> that's right. today, we're just at an event with him, an hour ago on the space coast at cape canaveral. relatively small turnout and a brief speech by romney. but he's not trading his fire on newt on the other candidates. he's focusing his fire on president obama. that's a sign of someone who feels pretty confident. sarah palin did an all but endorsement of newt online, but i think newt's folks are hoping will change the momentum here, but when you turn on the radio in florida, what you get is a lot of anti newt ads by mitt romney affiliated super pacs. it's the money versus momentum thing and it's a factor here in florida. >> jamal, what's your feeling of what the white house is doing? still assuming it's going to be mitt romney as bill burton has openly admitted or not? >> i think most democrats

believe that mitt romney will be the nominee. the hope is that gingrich continues to stay in there and santorum maybe has another win left in him so this fight will last a little bit longer. but it does look like romney's got what it takes to finish the nomination fight. lasting night when you watched him, he was clearly more confidence. the rumors, i guess he had a new debate coach. i think wolf blitzer with his feet planted in stone last night continuing that line of questioning. >> wolf blitzer was immovable. don't mess with wolf blitzer. >> his name is wolf. what are you going to do? >> your name is wolf blitzer. don't mess with him. before we go, i want to play a moment from the debate that stuck with me. i want to know whether it's possible mitt romney didn't know about this ad. here it is. >> i haven't seen the ad, so i' sorry, i don't get to see all

the tv ads -- did he say that? i doubt that's my ad, but we'll take a look and find out. there are a bunch of ads that are being organized by people, but i think our position on english is the same. >> that ad was from -- i mitt romney approve this ad. is it possible he didn't know about it? >> it's absolutely possible. they would have cut that disclaimer early in the process. campaigns are large, complex moving pieces. it's very possible that he didn't know about the ads specifically and the campaign's media team and that was that. >> erin, i got to jump in here because i've been on campaigns. i've been in the limo or van when you pull out your, back then, your phone or whatever it is and you play the ad for the candidate before it goes up because his name's going to be on it. i just don't believe he didn't know about that ad. >> we'll see. >> hundreds of pieces moving at one time. >> thanks very much to all of you. we appreciate it.

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tragic accident or brutal honor murder? that is a question before a jury in north america tonight. three family members are charged with committing four honor murders. he and his wife and son are accused of killing his three teenage daughter, his other wife, their mother. the three girls and their stepmother were found dead in their car in a canal in kingston, ontario, on june 30, 2009. it appeared to be an accidental drowning, but police were suspicion and it led prosecutors to charge the three with first degree murder. during the almost ten-week trial, the jurors heard from 58 witnesses and examined more than 160 pieces of evidence, evidence that patrick mccann, the lawyer calls weak and circumstantial. he is "outfront" tonight. it's good to talk to you. thank you very much. so why are you convinced your client is innocent? >> well, i -- i think the real issue here comes down to as you

said, a tragic accident or was it something horrific. the horrific part of it sort of depends on a lot of other sort of incidental evidence, but the real issue comes down to what happened. for it to be an honor killing, which is the prosecution position, there has to be a murder and you know, the scenario they're presenting just sort of doesn't stand up. doesn't make sense. involves -- >> the scenario they're presenting, i'll give everyone a summary an correct me if i'm wrong, that they were found with some bruises. obviously, drowned in their car in the canal. seemed to be an accident at first, but then they found a headlight from the car that hamid and his father and mother were driving and that they think

they twil literally in that car, pushed the other car into the canal, leaving that headlight behind was part of the proof in evidence this was a murder. >> yeah, that's right. the problem with that scenario, there's no question there was an accident between them and there's no question of that, the the lux us which my client was driving and he's given an account of this, there was an accident and then the road that the girls were in turned right into the area where the canal is and went into the canal. there's no question there was an accident there. the problem was he never called anybody, never told anybody about it, so as soon as the police found this out, went on a murder investigation. >> is it possible the father could have done it, not the son? some of the quotes when the police wiretapped the car were horrific, obviously.

he said if i could do it again, i'd do it again. they were whores. talking about his daughters. >> i think you've got to put that into context and understand the way people talk. we've called expert evidence on usage in afghanistan and the way men talk in afghanistan and swear words that are used there versus here. some of the stuff, once it's translated into english, it sounds horrific, but it's common usage. some of the things in there, the devil made them do stuff on their grave is equivalent roughly to somebody saying to hell with. it's pretty innocuous. you've got to understand that getting back to the scenario, it involves some how or other the car gets hung up on the edge of canal. >> okay. >> and pushing it into canal. all the time, the four women are sitting there not doing anything, so the crown -- they have to come up with some sort of theory they were drowned ahead of time. but that's phenomenal when you think of taking four women, one

at a time. >> thank you very much for coming out front and giving your angle on the story. as we said, this went to jury today in canada. more than 100 million people are going to be watching the super bowl and people have a lot of fun, but for the players, the next big hit could be ats trosk. a lot of these men end up with real hits to their lives, for the rest of their lives because of playing football. and today, we're taking a closer look at these collisions on the field. dr. sanjay gupta's documentary appears on cnn 8:00 on sunday. here's a preview. >> i remember getting hit hard.

that actually rang my bell. >> for the first three week, a headache. >> the trainer was asking me questions, i was answering them all wrong. >> there are a few impacts that simulate a car crash. >> he does have symptoms of a concussion. >> i parent came to you and said, coach, my kid wants p to play football. but i need you to tell me he's going to be safe. >> i can't guarantee that. >> sanjay is out front tonight. you've bone so much reporting on this. 3.5 million athletes in the country get sports related concussions every year. i find that shocking and how much of a long-term effect do these things have? >> i think for a long time, people sort of anecdotely thaukt those hits look hard, like they're bad, but we didn't have the evidence of what it was doing to the brain. that's the average a high school player takes every season. we know over time that can cause something known as chronic

traumatic encephelopothy. it's similar to what you would see in a patient with alz hiem e -- alzheimer's disease but now you're seeing it in kids as young as 17 years old and retired football players. >> i grew up playing sports, and when people think about sports injuries, they don't think about their daughters. but that didn't the case. >> yeah, there i am. gosh, that's not a mirror that needs to be -- yeah, yeah. >> you know, it's funny, i have three daughters so i think about this quite a bit. but it's actually surprising to a lot of people, and i found this surprising as well. girls are in fact more susceptible to concussions than boys. it could be the anatomy of the

head, the amount of fluid in the head. the strength of the neck muscles. playing soccer for example, a boy playing soccer, a girl playing soccer. girls get more concussions than boys but for a long time they didn't pay attention to girls getting concussions more. it's a very valid point. >> sanjay, a whole lot more, obviously sanjay's special tonight, 8:00 on cnn. and up next, the way you watch television changing forever, and the man behind it, our guest.

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so in the next few years, half of all american homes are going to be have web enabled televisions. and tonight's idea guest, ceo of vice who launched mtv are out to make it the way you watch out

front. just five years ago, vice was a free magazine about tattoos and models. now it's one of the largest youth driven media brands in the world, spanning 34 countries, projected worth, $1 billion. vice media has graduated from racy center folds to offbeat stories about the world's most infamous danger zones. >> let's go, let's go, let's go. >> reporter: labor camps in siberia, the heavy metal music scene in baghdad and the warlords like this guy. >> is that why you were called general buck naked. >> yes, because i fought buck naked. >> how are a bunch of hipsters in brooklyn giving tv a run for its money? vice is streamed over the internet.

it doesn't hurt that vice has captured the most highly prized demographic in the industry. and vice has one more trick up its sleeve, tom press son, the same formula preston used to launch mtv is now the formula for vice. giving young viewers what they want, when they want it. so there was -- the cover of the new yorker talking about youtube and that youtube is going to be television, that we're no longer going to be using our televisions. having bought a new l.e.d. television. >> plenty of people are going to continue to watch tv, but i do think that the youtube's new introduction of 100 channels is going to be sort of a tipping point for web video. more people are going to be able to use web video on web enabled sets and we'll be moving toward the web as more and more content producers get a chance to come to the foreground. >> so this is in terms of content, and the cable provider loses which i think a lot of people would like. >> i think it could be a smart tv, it could be a phone, it

could be a computer. it could be a hologram. everyone's spending money on the platform. but no one's spending money on what goes into the platform. so content that's made for mobile, content that's made for online, content that's made for smart tvs, that's the key. that's what it's been forgotten. we have 1900 contributors who are in 700 countries. >> what's the primary screen for a career in media? >> i think the primary screen is going to be watching things for any length of time. and with web enabled tvs and web producers beginning to create longer and longer content, i still think that television will be the paramount place, but mobile, if you think about it

worldwide, i mean china alone, has 800 million mobile users. so there's going to be an increase in technology and lots of people walking around the street looking in their telephones. >> it also depends on where you're talking. we just got back from india and india doesn't have a huge penetration for television or online. but they just got the 4g. so now they're going to sort of skip going from sort of newspapers -- >> they have so many newspapers in india. >> it's the biggest newspaper in the world, the biggest newspaper consumers and they're going to go straight from like 1,800