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i'm allowed to squeeze their head and anow them. say awful things and send them around the world. >> only in america. how do you put a price on the insanity? one fan wants to know. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening, the big story tonight, details on the whitney houston investigation. her ex-husband bobby brown will attend. kevin costner, her co-star in "the body guard" will break his silence. performances by alicia keys and stevie wonder. later, ricky gervais on the price of fame. >> i think it was oprah who said if you don't know who you are by the time you become famous, it
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will define you. i think, you know, these things don't command me. i love the work. >> we begin with the latest on the whitney houston investigation. don lemon has been all over the story. what's the latest tonight? >> we are learning the latest from a source close to the death investigation, piers. they are saying investigators are aware that whitney houston was partying even the night before she died in the hotel room, in the hotel, rather and other venues throughout the area. hotel personnel confirm that whitney houston was partying the night before she died. investigators are saying they are looking at television video, footage of whitney houston to see what her behavior was like. they are looking for and asked for a surveillance video from the hotel. they won't confirm it exists. they are looking at that as well. they want to know all her activities and how she was
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acting the night before she died. also, the same source says that or confirms that xanax was among the prescriptions found in whitney houston's hotel room. piers? >> she's taking xanax. we know according to various reports you have been giving me the last few nights, she was drinking wednesday morning, thursday morning, thursday night she went to the club, friday night she was drinking. she's been on a week long bender while taking precipitation drugs which say don't mix with alcohol. >> yeah. it would appear, if you look at the video and according to the source reports and also to other guests who were in the hotel room and from her own friends, some of whom you have interviewed on your show say she was drinking and was at the club. now, what we know is she had a prescription for xanax and family members and staff members confirm she had the
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prescription. they don't know if she took it the day she died. >> it's important to say, until we see the official reports here, this is speculation. certainly, it's beginning to add up to a pretty grim picture of the last week of this radiant superstars life and sad as we hear it. let's move on to the funeral. we'll be co-anchoring. reports bobby brown wasn't going to be invited by whitney's family, now he is invited, right? >> yes. cnn confirmed bobby brown will be at the memorial service. you know, he was on tour, the reunion tour from his old group new edition. he's going to perform with them, go away and to the funeral, then go back and perform that night after the memorial service. he is going to the funeral. >> whitney will be buried in
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fair view cemetery. the significance of that, it's the new jersey cemetery where her own father was buried. >> reporter: absolutely. that is what's on the death certificate. we haven't confirmed with the family. the family won't say. if you look at the official death certificate, she's going to be buried in that cemetery where her father is buried. most likely, it's where the family plot is and where she will be laid to rest. >> the family slightly opened up the occasion. they are going to allow live streaming from the funeral service on the internet. television cameras are being allowed in. it is becoming more public possibly as a result of so many fans wanting to share in what will be a hugely emotional occasion. >> absolutely. many fans, as you know from social media have been upset. they felt they were being deprived of saying good-bye to
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whitney houston. it's going to be a star-studded affair. a lot of her friends, big stars in the entertainment business will be there saying good-bye. >> remarkable. don, thank you very much. you have done some terrific reporting on this. i'm sure it will carry on with lots of twists and turns yet. thank you. i want to bring in a woman who knew whitney houston so well she called her family. take a look at this video singing a hit, "ain't no mountain high enough" in 1986. ♪ >> great records. joining me is barry simpson. you had a rough time. i was a huge fan of yours.
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whitney, a great long-time friend of yours died. how did you feel when you heard whitney had died given what we know about her lifestyle? >> i was in california. this was my first weekend. i was there. i told myself, i'm going to enjoy this weekend and go to the parties. this will be like a coming out for me, put myself back in the music business again. i was going to go to clive's party. i went to music cares and i was going to go to the grammys. i was sitting in my hotel room. they said turn on cnn. i was just dumbfounded. i could not believe what i was seeing. some things knock you off your feet. this did that for me. it knocked me off my feet. >> were you shocked? the reason i ask is people close to whitney were aware she's had a lot of issues in her life.
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many people pointed it out. how shocking was it to people who knew her well? >> very. totally. i mean, we felt like she was in a pretty good place right now. i was looking forward to seeing her. i hadn't seen her since my husband passed. i wanted to touch bases and to hear this, it was just, no, it can't be. just completely threw me. completely. >> of all the things you have heard this week about whitney, it's been wall-to-wall coverage. everything you have heard, what are the biggest misconceptions from what you knew about her? >> the thing that bothers me the most, i feel, is that where is the grace? where is the waiting to find out exactly what happened? why are we in such a rush to
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print things. out of respect to her mom and daughter, i don't understand why this shouldn't be a hush. you tell me, do they have to fill papers? what is it? >> it's magazines, television networks, cnn like everybody else is covering this. there's an appetite. >> we don't need falsities. >> i suppose what it is is some people feel it's inevitable about what happened to whitney because she was battling demons with drugs and alcohol for so long. prescription drugs and alcohol can be a lethal cocktail. that's a valid part of this. i take your point. if i was a friend of whitney houston or a member of her family grieving for my loss, it must be unbearable, the scrutiny.
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have you spoken to the family? >> i have. i spoke to her mom. >> how is she? obviously grief stricken. >> there are no words. we will come together as parents who know something about something. you know, later on, after the services, but i mea -- i don't feel like if she had a glass of champagne, i don't think she thought this is going to hurt me, you know? earlier i might have taken a pill. >> do you think it's as simple as that? >> all i'm saying is we don't know. >> it's a fair point. we don't know the facts. >> we really don't know. i feel like it wouldn't hurt for people to give it a little bit of time. there's no need to just come up and make up some stuff, you know, until you hear what the
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coroner has to say. >> the family obviously opted to not have a public memorial like michael jackson's family chose to do. what did you feel about the decision? do the fans have a right to be part of this or was it the sensible thing to do? >> whitney houston came from the church. her mother has every right to want to do this in a way that will give her closure, dignity to it. when things are huge, they become circusy. i think that's what she was afraid of. she wanted to have her time. they gave us whitney houston for a long time. i respect whatever her wish is, whatever will make it easier for her to bear, i'm in complete accordance with. it's a hard, hard thing. she's got a daughter almost 18 years old. this is devastating. >> when we come back, we are going to talk about one of her biggest hits one that you wrote, i'm every woman." ♪
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an amazing union you had. >> yeah. >> personally and professionally. >> great guy. >> you were saying that cissy houston, whitney's mother came to his funeral. >> yes. >> you are going to her daughter's funeral. >> yes. >> how much does the power of prayer help the houstons? >> it's going to be back at the gospel church where she first sang. >> there are people around this country right now praying for cissy houston. that's what's holding her up. she really, literally, if she's feeling like i was feeling, you feel like you want to fall down. it's only the prayers that are holding you together, making you go forward. you do what you have to do it's really the collective prayer of friends and fans who will keep her going, keep her sane.
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you know, you really want to concentrate on what you have to do. that's what we are doing for her right now. we are holding her in our thoughts, prayers and arms, as i told her. she's in my arms right now. that's what's going to carry her through. >> it will be an emotional day. >> oh, yeah. >> i'm part of the cnn team co-anchoring it. kevin costner is going to speak for the first time. aretha franklin and stevie wonder singing. it's going to be an extraordinary occasion. it reflects her status as a singer. chris christie, the governor of new jersey saying i'm going to lower the flags. i'm going to salute her genius as a musician. it's one of the four great musicians. do you think it's the right thing to do? >> absolutely. some people might find fault with that idea and want to bring in her personal trials and tribulations. it has nothing to do with her
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artistry. her record is her music, that incredible voice. >> when you wrote, "i'm every woman" then heard her sing it, has there been a singer that you have heard that could have sung it better? >> you are in dangerous territory. it was written for chaka khan. >> i know. >> she sang it heavenly. it's a writer's dream to go from chaka khan to whitney houston. >> they said whitney at her best was the best voice they have ever heard. >> well, whitney's voice is a voice that you ask any good and great singer, you know, if you could have another voice, what voice would it be? i would pick hers. it had everything. it was elastic.
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it had meaning. it had range. it had soul. it had pop sensibility. an ability to interpret a lyric in a way that made you feel it, you know? a lot of singers can sing and have a lot of stuff going on and do a lot of tricks. she did flat footed singing. she could stand flat foot and sing. and cause the hairs on your arms to raise. you could feel it. it was emotional, yeah. >> when people look back at her singing, they see an incredible range of songs. how do you think she would like her legacy to be in terms of the music? >> i think she will be, you know, it's interesting. during this time, we get to hear so much whitney coming at us at once, then we say ahh. now i remember the greatness.
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now i see it. now i hear it. again, it's like it's happening all over again. hundreds of years from now, that will still sound the same because it's great. >> does any part of you, as someone who knew her well, do you feel not angry is not the right word, but frustrated that everyone is celebrating whitney now and for the last ten years of her life, you know, they didn't care that much. if they had, maybe it would have made a difference to her life? >> that's the musical sensibility of our world. i will give credit to clive davis who always held her at the forefront. she was always number one with him whether she had a number one hit or not. because he is such a musical icon himself, his recognition of her made others recognize that, you know, he felt it was something she would be able to
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do musically. i'm going to write him a letter. >> i had one by peer chance. first time i interviewed him, hours before whitney died. he was with jennifer hudson and we talked about whitney at length and you could tell the devotion he had with her. >> there's no one i can think of that did that. >> within an hour of whitney dying, you had to decide where to go ahead with this event. whitney's body was on the fourth floor, upstairs as people were partying below. you did go. >> i did. >> was it a hard decision and what was it like in the room? >> it was a very -- i can appreciate chaka khan's feelings but for me, it was the right thing to do. i was alone in a hotel room and
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heard of whitney's passing. it was either stay there and cry all night or try to get amongst a community of musicians and friends who loved her and share collective grief that's what we did. we told whitney houston stories. clive was very -- very much, how do you say? i don't know how he got through it. i know what she meant. he was moved but felt the need to carry on. he celebrated her in a dignified way. i was pleased that the people who celebrate, everybody who got up said something about whitney houston. it felt like that was why we were all there. the party had become something else. >> how will you remember? >> i will remember a young woman
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who always had a bright smile, brought joy to my life. through personal times of us being together. quincy jones says, i told him he should sign her when she was 16. he let her get away. we always had that chuckle. she's someone who was a light in my life. i'm grateful for the time i had with her and the fun. we had some good fun. we went together up to barbra streisand's house and watched her sing. she came to connecticut for my husband's birthday. she sang "ain't nothing like the real thing." these were the greatest times of our lives. i have had some of the greatest times of my life with whitney houston. >> thank you.
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>> they were jokes. >> they were jokes? >> yeah. >> i got together with a few pals after the awards and wrote jokes about you. i want you to know this and carry it with you for the rest of your days. no one makes fun of tim allen on my watch. >> that was a clip from ricky gervais' third sitcom. welcome back, ricky. congratulations. >> yeah. i thought i nailed the two things i have done. >> the common theme is discomfort. >> it's following me around. the human behavior. that affects anyone. if you are in a society where you are flexible and you are not
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being shot at, what's the worst thing that happens to us? embarrassment. it's fundamental. i do deal with that. you write about what you know. i love the tiny things in life, you know, there's little things that affect everyone. >> what do you feel about the whole whitney houston? i ask -- for a long time, you would never imagine being in hollywood. now you are a bonn fied superstar that does movies. what is the reality of hollywood success, the type we have seen that caused the death of whitney houston? >> i don't know about that. i'm in my pajamas by 6:00, after i work out. i like a glass of wine. i don't mix in those circles. the people i know in hollywood
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are directors and show writers and producers. i came to this business when i was nearly 40. i'm 50 now. >> is that the trick, to not be famous too early? >> i think so. that wasn't intentional. i didn't hold back saying i'm going to be famous when i'm 38. i feared it. >> is it easier to be older and become famous? >> i think so. i think it was oprah who said if you don't know who you are by the time you become famous, it will define you. i think these things -- i love the work. you know, everyone knows that we get paid very well. you know, nice reviews are good. awards are great. it's the work. it's the i can't believe my luck. i get up and i can start writing and it will get made.
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>> what i can't believe is the way we look. we all fall in love with fat, chubby ricky. >> i was not fat. >> you were fat. you drank a lot of beer. >> people come up and say you look terrific. i keep throwing these trousers away. another pair shrank. >> how much weight have you lost? >> not much at all. i think about 25 pounds. >> that's quite a lot. >> i have done it by working out. i still eat too much and drink too much. the next day, i punish myself in the gym. i work out like rocky, then i feel great. it makes you feel, genuinely -- >> even your teeth look gleaming. >> i haven't had them done? >> anything?
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>> there's things in a luxury lounge once. they made me gag. >> what made you -- >> i have always been clean. suddenly, i'm fat and disgusting and didn't clean my teeth. i had a few pounds. the beard helps. >> what made you go on this vanity kick? >> it wasn't a vanity kick. it was a health kick. the truth was, it was christmas, i was 48, a couple christmases ago and i had 11 sausages and i sat there feeling ill. i said jane, i'm going to have a heart attack. i thought, you know what? life is good. i don't want to blow it. i don't want to go hold on, just sit -- what? >> by the way, it wasn't just me. this dashing feature in men's health magazine, the feature we never thought we would see of you.
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how ricky gervais totally lost it. he went from barely employed chubby loser to bad ass comedy. his next act, losing the gut and gaining respect. >> yeah. that's good, isn't it? i'm glad i lived this long to get to that. otherwise, it would be -- >> where would you be without that? >> the death of a chubby loser who never cleans his teeth and stinks. he died at the age of 48, three sausages. death by sausage. it's a prison term. >> do you get more groupies now? >> never got groupies. >> really? >> no, i dated my girlfriend for 13 years. >> does she prefer you as a svelt or a loser?
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>> when she met me, i wasn't a chubby loser. also, i used to do judo, karate, you know, every day. i was so fit. then i hit 30 and got a job and went to the bar afterwards. it's easy. it's gradual. i got heavier and heavier, i'd say through my 30s and 40s. then you go, when did that happen? you say it will never happen to me. it does. t it's so easy. it's easy to lose it as well. i haven't given anything up, which i couldn't diet. i can't do that. i can't give up my cheese and wine. i can, lucky, because i'm self-employed, i have my own gym. i have no excuse. i have no excuse. >> he doesn't like me advertising it. i'm good for his brand.
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>> this show is hilarious. >> history of television? >> seinfeld was lovely. >> thank you. it was good. >> i love broad comedy. >> i will treasure this. >> ricky gervais on the hbo hit show. classic. classic. >> i have had a few. i have been very lucky with the things i have been asked to do from the "simpsons." that was a joy. it made me realize why people come and do extras. when you plan yourself, you find out the worst you make yourself people go he can't be that bad. you really go for it to make it obvious. yeah. >> let's talk about twitter. you came late to the game, even later than me. you became equally obsessive. why do you like it?
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>> it's the whole of humanity in your pocket. the best and worst of the world on twitter. there are brilliant people out there and people that shouldn't be allowed sharp objects. i treasure them both. >> talking sharp objects, you tweeted this picture of yourself. on my way to piers morgan on cnn. what were you getting at? >> as a comedian -- >> what do you mean? >> i thought i looked intellectual. cnn is the home to intellectuals. yeah. >> you get tense on twitter. you get into proper battles with people. >> yeah. >> why do you take it -- >> at home i'm smiling. >> of course. >> when someone is arguing with me, it appears they are 5,000 years old. yes, i'm smiling. of course i'm smiling.
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the fundamental dispute is like an episode of the flintstones. i have to laugh. >> how does your atheism that you are passional about play with your american audience given that so many people in america are god fearing people. >> they shouldn't. why should they take offense that i don't believe in their god or any other god. tell me the reasons you don't believe in all the other gods. that's the reason i don't believe in yours. i have nothing against them at all. in fact, if it did make you a kind of person, if you are into good things, then great. there's the road. it's when i see some of these religious fundamentalists that told their 5-year-old children, they will burn in hell. that's child abuse. it has nothing to do with religion.
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>> what do you think of the republican race. some of them position themselves to say antigay marriage, all that thing based on their religious beliefs. >> just because they are offended by someone being gay doesn't mean they are right. it's a strange thing. being gay is a choice. being gay isn't a choice. you know, you try it. if it's a choice, have a go. see how much you like it. >> you come to america and the personification of the classic old american dream of, you know, they take anybody from anywhere and anyone can make it big here. they don't care what you have done anywhere else. >> i came fat with terrible teeth. >> a chubby loser, now look at you. >> he's huddled. america is fantastic. it is the land of opportunity.
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there's you know, bits of culture that i love and hate. the wonderful thing about being between england and america, they are both the land of freedom and criticize them all you want but know that you are in a place that allows you to criticize it. that's lucky. you know? it's great. it should be cherished. freedom of speech for me is one of the most important things that, you know, discovered. i fight for the right. even though i don't believe in god and i don't believe, unlike most religions, i treat them all the same. i think they are all wrong. not morally wrong. i don't think there is a god. but if someone said we are banning religion, i'd march to not have it banned. it's your right to believe what you want. it's your right to be wrong. i'll fight for that right. >> let's take another break. i want to play what steve carell
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tonight, the controversy surrounding the super bowl halftime show. joining me first is the woman at the center of that controversy, m.i.a. >> that was my debut on "saturday night live" last week. i don't know about you, but i thought the accent was shocking. >> i'm glad he said held do it. that's the test. >> it was well done. a badge of honor that we have been humiliated on america's number one comedy show. >> it's very flattering. you are fine. because we are british, we see the difference. to america -- >> we -- we -- we -- >> just do that now. >> i don't do that. >> i don't think so. at least to make you out, things that aren't that bad. >> should we play what steve
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carell said about you? >> yes, please. he's a lovely man. i'm sure he didn't say anything bad about me. >> did you do what ricky does in. >> not in a million years. >> why? >> i think i would just get too skiddish. >> you can play a ricky gervais character. >> perhaps. to go in front of people -- >> and offend them to their faces. >> it doesn't mean i'm a better person. i don't have those guts. he always makes fun of me, always. he's always sweet to me. he said hey, i have a few things i wanted to go after you with, is that okay? i said of course. there is a side, a gentler side that people don't necessarily see. >> you are all heart, aren't you? >> he's such a lovely man.
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>> he thinks you are sweet. you go up before the awards and say i'm going to call you [ bleep] i just want to warn you. >> if i had access to them, i would warn everyone. it's not -- i have nothing against people, you know? >> do you like steve carell? >> he's great. he's fantastic. he's one of the loveliest people in hollywood. a family man. honest, hard working guy. i don't know how he does it. >> he's got -- a great interview. i'm going to run it soon. he's got a head that is just funny. >> he's nearly handsome. he's got that. he's got -- he's like bob hope. he's old and gray but he's got beady eyes. he's good. i like him. that was a compliment by the way. he's very handsome. he's not imposing. he's not bland.
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>> why are we going on about how good looking he is. what am i? chopped liver? >> let's talk about love. >> go on. >> how many times have you been properly in love in your life? >> romantic love? >> i'm assuming women. >> yes. i meant as opposed to family and kittens and romantic love. >> that's why i say, once. >> and you've been with the same woman for 30 years? >> yes. >> lovely, smart, attractive, long-suffering woman. why haven't you married her yet? >> well, we are, really. we are. >> and yet, you're not. >> well, i mean, we've -- we share everything. >> do you think you ever will? >> never say "never." there's no reason that we're not getting married other than there's no point. i'm not digging my heels in saying we can't get married.
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there's just no point. we don't want our families to meet. that's the thing. >> how do you show your romantic side? >> i don't know. should it be -- is there a definition? i think i am a romantic. i think i'm very romantic 'i mean, the fact that we've been together for 30 years. we're soulmates. no one knows as much about me. no one loves me as much. and that's mutual. i don't think you can get morrow man tick than that. i think that buying someone a card once a year is irrelevant. it doesn't do it for me. that's not romance. that's a tick on a calendar. it's nothing, you know? we love each other's company. we don't like anyone better. >> you've had this amazing career path, amazing in many ways. if i was -- if i had the power to relive for you one moment,
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not personal, professional, a moment in your life, what would it be? >> umm, loads of things whizzing through my head but they're all from childhood? >> like what? >> i remembered one, my brothers and sisters are a whole lot older than me. the next one is 11 years older and then 13 and 15. i was 12 and i was eating my corn flakes and i said, mum, why are they so much older than me and she went -- because you're a mistake! and i just laughed. honestly, so it's little things like that that i just -- little magical moments, so sweet. so sweet! i remember when i went to -- i was good academically in school. i did sciences and i went to college to do biology and after a couple of weeks i changed to
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philosophy and i was like -- my mom got me a book on biology, so sweet and i said, i'm not doing biology anymore. i'm doing philosophy and she said, what good is that? she said -- she said, pop star is another word for junky. and i told her what the advance was. and she was like, mick jagger, always had a house in wales. >> ricky. it's been a pleasure as always. you fly the flag brilliantly for my little country. >> thank you. >> long may it go. >> thank you, cheers, man. >> ricky gervais. there's only one. >> thank god. >> carry on, mate. >> only in america! ugh. [ zipper, heavy breathing ] ♪ [ male announcer ] linens and duvet
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tonight, only in america, putting a price on "linsanity." by now, everyone in the country has heard about new york knicks sensation, jeremy lin, the harvard grad that led his team to convict ray in eight straight games leaving sports fans gasping across america and, indeed, across the globe. even the man himself is finding this whole thing a little hard to believe. listen to what he told the msg network. >> it hadn't sunk in yet, to be honest. i'm still kind of in shock about everything that happened. but, you know, i'm just trying to soak it all in right now.
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>> i bet he is, with a bathful of dollars. but lin, himself, is not the only one cashing in. the 29-year-old new yorker took a big gamble on february 6th, the day after lin made his first start for the knicks and just before "linsanity" exploded. he bought the rookie card and signed the piece of jersey for $1,000. there's only 25 official lin rookie cards that were signed and have the jersey cloth embedded like mr. roz marions. and he's number 17. lin's jersey number. pretty crafty because that makes it one of the most prized cards in sporting memorabilia right now and that's why he's hoping to make an absolute killing. tonight he put the card on sale at ebay for a current bid of $12,000. that's to start. he covertly predicts it will eventually sell for at least $75,000, as "linsanity," jeremy
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