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show on e! keeping up with the kardashians. she said her dress is going to blow everyone away. >> that was actually chris hkri humphreys himself. anyway, the point is in news as in life, sometimes the best parts are happening in the background. thanks for waching. erin burnett starts now. a report by the world-top nuclear inspectors leaks today. tonight, we get the iranian side of the story. and mitt romney in michigan selling america on his tax plan. we crunch the numbers. do they add up or mean more dent? and a bizarre day at the day care murder trial. the wife of the victim thrown out when she hugs and kisses a witness. let's go "outfront."
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i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, iran. we begin with a new report on iran's nuclear program. got our hands on it today. it's an 11-page release from the international atomic agency. they reveal doubts and suspicions about what the iranian government is telling the world about its nuclear efforts. they say their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes. we read the report, and it does not say that iran is making a bomb, but it does say that iran is rapidly expanding its nuclear activity, and we consulted experts, including nuclear scientists and former u.n. weapons inspectors. the iaea in this 11-page report says that iran has tripled its enrichment of uranium since last year. they continue to block
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inspectors from getting inside a key nuclear facility, one that the watch dog group has been trying to get into for a long time. and the report says that 19.8 kilograms of metal is still unaccounted for. the u.s. government responded to the iaea report today. a scathing response, and there is confusion. something really important we want to point out, and we're going to get to that in a moment. but first, the iranian side of the story. just a short time ago, i spoke to a nuclear scientist and iran's permanent representative to the iaea, and i began by asking him ability the ramped up production of enriched uranium. >> i'm proud to say we will continue without interruption. we will nench neverering, ever suspend our nuclear facilities. of course we have to make nuclear fuel for tehran's reactor since nobody give us the fuel and this reactor has to produce radioizer for hospital.
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millions of patients in iran desperately need these isotopes and pharmaceuticals so they're obliged to fulfill the demand of the nation. this report, i'm proud to say, is a clean bill of health of exclusively peaceful nature of nuclear activities in iran. >> it doesn't appear to be that. it does say some activities may be ongoing and you've seen the headlines around the world. the report also says in the section on possible military dimensions to the iranian nuclear program this. and they cite their report from november 2011. they say that there's information available to the agency indicating that iran has carried out activities relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device. they say that that information has come from a variety of independent sources and is assessed by the agency to be overall credible. can you say categorically that
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iran is not developing or is not even planning to develop a nuclear weapon? >> i categorically reject any sort of allegation. i have been involved for almost the last ten years working with inspectors on this issue of allegations. in many cases, there have been allegations about military size. i categorically reject, therefore, we do not have any nuclear weapon programs, any activities related to nuclear weapon programs. >> one other question. in section k of the report, it refers to missing uranium that the iaea says they have been trying to account for for quite some time. 19.8 kilograms. where is that? of natural uranium metal? >> this is a very pity that such information in fact diverted public from the real scientific information. 20 kilogram is just totally ignorable. they just want to make a noise about something. >> this is crucial from a
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question of sovereignty for iran. even if iran has no intention of developing a nuclear weapon, do you believe that if iran made that choice, that that is its right its right to make that choice as a sovereign and independent nation? >> i'm saying that iran without nuclear defense is as strong and powerful as nuclear dependent states. this is a tragic mistake for iran to go to nuclear weapon. not only because of religious commitment, but strategically, this is a mistake. without nuclear, we are very powerful. having illusions creates sanctions. sanctions, which you know that sanctions have had no effect on our activities for nuclear energy because we are in fact self-sufficient in producing all components of centrifuge and only the scientists are disturbing somehow the public. i assure you all nuclear activities are peaceful. let's wish for peace and
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prosperity all over the world. >> thank you very much again. >> the united states government responded to the report. and the national security counsel spokesperson said this. quote, when combined with its continued stone walling of international inspector, iran's actions demonstrate why iran has failed to convince the international community that its nuclear program is peaceful. now, this statement was tough. but it seems to contradict some recent remarks from top administration officials. the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff martin dempsey said quote, the iranian regime is not decided that they will embark on the effort to weaponize, and today, "los angeles times" wrote an article saying u.s. intelligence officials last year believed that iran was not trying to build a nuclear bomb.
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what's going on here? our friend tonight, wesley clark. wonderful to see you, sir. >> thank you very much. >> what is your reaction to this iranian response to the report? the headlines are all talking about the surge in enrichment activity. the report itself said some of the nuclear activity in the weapons program may still be ongoing. what did you take away from what the ambassador had to say? >> i think this is a standard operating procedure of governments who want to conceal these activities. put out what looks like a credible spokesman, say he's all in the interest of peace. as you ask him, if he's all in the interest of peace, where is the missing uranium, why aren't inspectors permitted there 24 hours a day? if iran were worried about as it should be, about sanctions and other options still on the table, and they weren't after a nuclear weapons program, surely they could make a stronger effort to convince the world of their insnls. this is part of a diplomatic stall.
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i think what you're seeing in the intelligence reports and the iaea report shows they're moving towards the acquisition of the capacity to develop and field a nuclear weapon. they may not have it yet and when general dempsey says they haven't made that decision, he's got the access to the intelligence, he's looking at it. but our president is looking at all this information. he's doing the best he can to avoid taking us to another military conflict. he says all options are on the table and we think negotiations are still the way to go. the sanctions are having an impact on iran and let's hope that we can dissuade them from moving toward a nuclear weaponization. >> on the issue of sanction, as i have said before, even a year ago when i was there, they were affecting regular people for sure in so far as they were affecting the government's ability to fill subsidies for things like food. you heard the ambassador -- is
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that all just sort of bluster? >> well, sanctions have delayed the development of the nuclear program for years. they've had to create shadow corporations and big borrowed and steal bits of technology, and they have done it despite the sanctions, but it's been much slower. these sanctions are directed against the banking facilities of the iranian government. ilities central bank and its ability to operate in international currency mark tsz with other financial institutions, and this of course, strikes at their ability to export oil, and that's their principal source of earnings for foreign exchange, and that's a vital interest and that's being impacted. >> i wanted to play something for you. last night, rudy giuliani was a guest on this program. he said the president has made a mistake. he doesn't think he's handling the iran situation correctly. here's what he said. >> can't say the word bomb them. we need a president who can say the words bomb them and actually can do it if he has to in order
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to protect us from iran becoming a nuclear power and most importantly, they have to believe that our president will do that. >> some might say it's irresponsible to talk about bombing another country. >> i'm using their administration. they have this case in washington in which the iranian government paid money to have the saudi arabian ambassador killed. >> do you think he's correct or threatening to bomb you end up not having to bomb, or would that be irresponsible? >> well, i think when you escalate the rhetoric, that's not necessarily what's required at this point. but i do hope that the iranian leaders having seen shock and awe in baghdad in 2003, what we did in libya with just a small fraction of u.s. capability, understand there is a military option. they really have no defense against it. it's there. i haven't seen it. i'm sure when general dempsey and our men and women prepare it, it's going to be devastating and they should understand that.
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but this is not the time to inflate public fears on a military option, so i wouldn't agree on that point. what's being conveyed to iran is being conveyed in a variety of fact channels to them and i'm sure they understand or having given the information to understand. >> do you think we're doing a good job? >> i think we're on the right track because we don't want to have to use the military option until all other alternatives are exhausted. that's been the lesson of the last decade. the lesson of iraq. don't prematurely jump on the military option because it's easy to get into a conflict, but not always easy to see the end of it. and even though there is a very strong capable military option to take out iran's infrastructure and nuclear capabilities, you'd be left with a nation of 75 million people, which is a huge problem for the
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international community. you might be left with other regional problems, although i suspect that iranian's bluster is just that. that we could handle all of its retaliatory threats, but you don't want to be left with the aftermath of this and you don't want a lot of innocent people to die. so if there are alternatives, we should ask our leadership to do everything possible to use those alternatives rather than resort to the final option. >> before we go, one final question, we spoke to a former weapons inspector today, and he said iran doesn't have a civilian need for the uranium it's been enriching, which fits with your view. but he said if iran makes this decision, the whole issue of if and when they make the decision, it's highlighted by this point. that if they decide to go nuclear, they could be nuclear with weapons grade and rich uranium within six months, a dirty bomb within 12 months.
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but the bottom line as someone who has done what you've done in the u.s. military, are we obsessed over the wrong issue? should they be allowed, that issue of sovereignty, to make their own choice on a nuclear weapon? >> i don't think you could permit them to make their own choice because i don't think we want a nuclear arms race in this region. the region is central to the world's economy. and it's very unstable. you can look at what's going on in syria today, for example, which is more or less, in one dimension, a proxy war against iran. if you look at this and think, oh, my goodness, what if each of these states have had nuclear weapons in addition? that's what we're faced with. this is a very important decision. it is not in iran's sovereign right to make this decision. that's why they're trying to deceive the world on it. what the real issue here is for the leadership is they're going to continue to creep up as close as they can without having to say or indicate or let people
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believe they have made a quote decision to make a nuclear weapon. they've reduced this time from years to six months. maybe 12. we don't know. the question will be how close can we allow it to come before we take action and that's this subject of i'm sure that the best minds in washington and probably in tel aviv as well on this issue. >> thank you very much. seven states have filed suit against the federal government on the president's contraception rule. the attorney general from texas. one of the men, comes "outfront." and the producer of amazing race dead in uganda. police say it was a drug overdose, his wife says murder. one of his close friends talks next.
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tonight, the issue of birth control splitting this country down the middle. we have a new poll just out on president obama's rule which requires free birth control coverage for all workers even people employed by religious based institutions. you'll recall that the administration recently announced a compromise on the rule by exempting religious affiliated institutions from offering the coverage and making the inshrnls companies pay instead, but that's not enough for the critics. today, seven states filed a lawsuit saying the rules violate freedom of religion. one attorney general is greg
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abbott of texas. he's out front tonight. good to see you. thank you very much. >> great to be with you. >> polls show the country is evenly divided on whether birth control should be free. you feel you have the mandate to bring this kind of suit forward at this point? >> first, those polls really wouldn't have any consequence about whether or not a religious liberty or institutional principle has been at risk. if polls mattered, it would mean that the courts would base their decisions on polls to strike down obamacare as a whole because more americans are against it than for it. to your point, the issue that we are filing the lawsuit about is one that protects religious freedom and doesn't have anything to do with regard to whether or not government can or should offer contraceptives. very importantly, the government is perfectly fine in offering contraceptives to every single woman in the entire country. the issue is not whether or not
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the government offers contraceptives. it's the pathway they have chosen to get there, which is trampling the conscience and objectives of religious entities. >> i want to make sure i understand. you say you don't have a problem with them having birth control offered, but if someone works for a religious affiliated institution, the insurance companies are paying, which was the president's proposed compromise, you're not okay with that because of where they work. that's a violation of the religious institution's rights? >> well, there's all kinds of problems with that. for one, what the president said in his compromise is not what the rule and regulations say. the president saying something different than the final rule that is being imposed. on these religious entities. >> so would you be all right if his compromise became the law? >> well, his -- the second thing is that his compromise still does require religious based organizations to provide contraceptives as well as
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abortion inducing drugs contrary to the religious faith. the third thing, if the government wants to ensure contraceptives are available to everyone, the government can do that in legal ways su s such as tax and spend clause. they can make exceptions for everyone. they don't have to force this down the throats against religious organizations, against their faith-based principles. >> i'm still not totally certain how if the compromise would violate that because the insurance company not the religious institution. i understand your point that's not yet law, but i don't understand why that would be a problem. but i also want to ask you this -- >> let me be clear. >> okay, make it clear, please. >> there are many hospitals for one right here in austin, texas, a catholic hospital, that is self-insured. that hospital is going to have to provide those services for free out of their own pocket or otherwise have to come out of pocket and pay for them.
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point one. point two, those that are not self-insured are still going to bear the burden of the cost of the insurance in providing the product. >> i understand the self-insurance point. seven attorneys are behind the lawsuit. they're all republican. is this political? >> it is not at all. what we have seen is there are 26 attorney generals who have sued the administration for the obamacare lawsuit itself. they all happen to be republican because i think the democrats are afraid to step up and challenge the administration. this is about the constitution. it's the reason why we have won twice in two federal courts in our case so far and why the case is going to the u.s. supreme court next month. the same will happen with this lawsuit. this is all about up holding the united states constitution against an overreaching institution that is casting aside fundamental institutional principles in order to reach certain conditions. >> six of the seven involved are men. i didn't look at attorneys general across the country.
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but in this case, are you worried that creates an image problem? that it is men suing an issue that frankly applies to women? >> right, the issue we're concerned about is the constitutional issue of freedom of religion and women can have full access to contraceptives, health care across the board, in ways that the government can provide in a legal, constitutional way that doesn't trample the constitutional liberties of men and women in this country. >> thank you very much. appreciate you taking the time. now to a strange story. an american reality show producer was in uganda and he died. jeff rice was found dead last week on the balcony of his hotel room. police say he died of an apparent cocaine overdose. his wife told fox news it points to him being poisoned. rice's assistance, a womaninate
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catherine fuller, was also found unconscious on the balcony next to rice. she's alive and recovering in a hospital, but is alive and not able to speak. so don't know what she's be able to tell us about what happened. was it a drug overdose or did someone poison rice? appreciate you coming in. what is your take on this story so far? this issue of a cocaine overdose. is this something that would fit with the man you knew? >> no, not at all. jeff rice was not a drug user. i worked with him as recently as december. for ten days, i never even saw him get drunk. he's an absolutely professional and works hard all the time. great family man. two beautiful kids. a lovely wife. he's not a habitual drug user. not somebody i've ever seen do drugs. in the four years i have known him. so none of this makes any sense to me. >> had you heard him talking about catherine fuller?
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met her, did you know anything about her? >> i knew katie. she was his production coordinator. worked at his company. she was terrific. really energetic. really hard worker, very straight laced. very sweet girl, yeah. >> again, the question about cocaine involvement, is that something that would be inconsistent with katie, as you call her? >> i didn't know katie as well as i knew jeff. i worked with jeff now on two different shows, so i really don't want to speculate about katie. i didn't know her well, but she had worked for jeff for some time and jeff would never have somebody work for him that wasn't a true professional. >> and there's nothing strange in their relationship? right? >> not that i saw. as recently in december, i spent ten days in south africa working with him on a show. he was somebody that i could say, i said, jeff, i think it
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would be really cool if we had a shark expert, and in 24 hours, he could find me the best shark expert in the air yerea to put camera. he was really knowledgeable and really professional. he's the guy that we show you pictures of his kids not do drug. i've never even seen him drink too much. >> you do interact with a lot of local people, right? not sure what the full nature of the project he was on might have been, but there could have been something else i suppose that would have been involved. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, what i'd like to see is an independent investigation. all week long, we've gotten these bits and pieces of reports from the government over there and the authorities. first it's poison. then cocaine in his stomach. now heroin's found? every day, it gets more ridiculous and extreme. i'm sure the authorities there are good at what they do, but i
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would like to see somebody come in and investigate this who has you know, who's completely objective. >> well thank you very much. appreciate your coming "outfront" tonight. we'll keep following that story. very, very strange. gas prices are rising. iran is part of the reason. how much of it is costing us at the pump? and mitt romney, his tax plan was a lot shorter than the 500 pages of his tax returns, but we ran all the numbers. and the question is, do they add up or mean more debt and we have an answer. [ male announcer ] this is lawn ranger -- eden prairie, minnesota. in here, the landscaping business grows with snow. to keep big winter jobs on track, at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting,
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we start the second half of the show with stories we care about, where we focus on our own reporting, do the work, and report on the "outfront 5." first of all, iran. the report says iranian won't let inspectors look at a key facility. 19.8 kilograms of uranium is missing, and that iran is ramping up production of enriched uranium. iran's permanent representative told me tonight clearly it is for peaceful purposes and that iran has nothing to hide. wesley clark had a different take, he doesn't buy iran's story. >> i think this is a standard operating procedure of governments that want to conceal these activities. put out someone who looks like a credible spokesman, have him deny everything, and claim he's all in the interest of peace, but as you ask him, he's all in
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the interest of peace, where is the missing uranium, why aren't inspectors permitted and allowed there 24 hours a day? >> number two, the problems iran and the debate and rhetoric has caused oil prices to rise to $109.70 a barrel. now, the last time oil traded that high was may, 2008. the last time the market was as high as it is. rising oil prices have meant higher prices at the pump. according to aaa, gas prices rise 3.5 cents overnight. national average now $3.65 a gallon. >> three, sources tell cnn that sheldon adelson has made another sizable donation to newt gingrich's super pac. we don't know the size of the donation yet, but the sources did say that it was made recently. he and his wife have already donated $10 million to newt gingrich's super pac.
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february four, prosecutors requested a hard drive and financial information dating back to january 1998. we looked at the subpoena and found several prosecutors also requested all out of court statements penn state made relating to sandusky. penn state's spokeswoman tells us they're fully cooperating with the authorities, saying the victims, the penn state community, and the public deserve to see the facts and see that justice is done. it's been 203 days since america lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? getting over the 13,000 hump would help. mitt romney has been hawking his tax plan in michigan. the plan will lower individual marginal tax rates by 20% and lower the corporate rate to 25%. here's what mitt romney had to say when giving details about the plan in michigan today. >> these changes i will not allow to raise the deficit.
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stronger economic growth. spending cuts and broadening the base will off set the reductions. >> is he right? will his plan avoid categorically adding to the deficit? this is going to be really, really hard. we have been looking at the numbers. this is going to be a problem. to be fair, it's going to cost a lot of money, but mitt romney has not really gone into the spending cut side of his plan. he wants entitlement reform and wants to repeal president obama's health care plan, but a lot of money is going to have to come from economic growth. plain and simple. according to analysis done for "outfront", the plan when you include the bush tax cuts being extended and then the romney cuts, will cost, prepare yourself for sticker stock, $8.2 trillion over the next ten years. now, economic growth for at least a few of those years would have to average, get ready for this one, 5.4%.
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just for those of you out there who don't track this all the time. i mean, we didn't get that kind of growth in the late 1990s during the internet boom and last year for comparison, 1.7% was the growth. can mitt romney pull this off. we're joined now. thanks for all of you for being with us. you have been writing about this, working on this all week. even if he has cuts, he is betting on epic economic growth. >> that's rights, and a lot of the cuts he's talking about were cuts of tax expenditures that were very popular as well as spending cuts that are going to be a real red flag to voters. this is a plan that is a real hail mary pass, i think. >> suspending cuts are come on entitlements. so he doesn't want to get specific because he can alienate voters. >> absolutely. i think a lot of those are very sound, very smart, but they don't necessarily deliver, if
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you're looking at a cbo analysis, the savings he's going to need to balance the tax cuts. >> david frum, what's your take on the plan and on the speech where he promised it will not affect the deficit? >> mitt romney in september released a 59 point plan that you can download on to your kindle. it's available on his website. it's extremely detailed. carefully considered. a preface written by renowned economists. it was a careful piece of work. he's ruled out here, it's a hail mary pass. there are no details. it's now got a big additional tax cut beyond the one he proposed in september. it's impossible to avoid thinking this is about republican primary season politics and since romney since september, he locked himself in december into an endorsement of the ryan plan, which basically says we're going to have big cuts in medicare beginning ten years from now, but we're going to hold harmless the medicare population for the next ten years. that means all of the cuts are going to have to come from programs like food stamps and unemployment insurance at a time
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when the recovery remains very, very fragile. so not only is this not a carefully considered piece of work, no real numbers, but a big additional tax cut with most of the off setting savings coming from not the wasteful medicare program, but programs for the neediest as we recover from a recession. >> and that, doug, is not something that will go over with a lot of americans regardless of your political affiliation i would imagine. >> i would agree with everything your two panelists have said. there are three take aways for me from this plan. the first one is that mitt romney meant it when he said he didn't really care about the very poor because as david mentioned, a lot of the spending cuts are to those to help the struggling. two, it doesn't really look like he cares about the middle class because a disproportionate about of tax cuts will go to benefit the top 1% and three, it doesn't look like he cares about the deficit. so this really is about winning michigan.
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it's about winning the republican nomination, nothing more. but in the end, it's going to cause him some real problems with independent voters if he's lucky to be the nominee in the general. >> i don't necessarily agree with all the details of the tax plan, but a president does not unilaterally decide what the tax code looks like. what you do is you draw out what are your broad areas, what are the things you want to do? a lot of the broad principles a pretty reasonable. but one thing i want to push back on, david had said he endorsed the ryan plan. he offered his own which said here's the thing. we are going to preserve the basic medicare bftd for seniors that you have today, but we're going to allow private firms to compete to offer the benefit at lower cost. now, the good thing there is that you're actually unleashing the private firms so they can actually offer new, more innovative ways of delivering care. the problem is it doesn't deliver guaranteed savings and when you're offering a plan like this, you're offering guaranteed
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savings and sometimes, those are going to be a losery. that's the attention he has. he has a a really good plan that could deliver big savings, but there's no guarantee. whereas when you're having a big tax cut, that's a guaranteed revenue loss, but that's not guaranteed. >> cutting health care costs is something that if anyone can find a way to do it, please, come forward. thanks to all three of you. bizarre testimony during the day care murder trial. the defendant claims he have told to kill by a demon that looked like barry white. and also today, violence in afghanistan. a journalist embedded with soldiers in the region "outfront." that's next. the most awarded cars in 2011. the volt's battery has been tested for more than 395,000 hours. ♪ and, most importantly, the volt has received the highest overall vehicle score for safety possible. [ cheers and applause ]
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now turning to a bizarre murder trail in georgia. a 49-year-old is accused of shooting his alleged mistress's husband as he was dropping off his kids at day care. a surprising twist in court today. newman's alleged mistress and the wife of the victim was thrown out of court. the judge tossed her out after she hugged and kissed a witness who had just testified that he was having an affair with the alleged gunman and killer. he admits to the murder, but this is also very strange. he said he did it because he had gone insane, that he was visited
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by an angel rezimbling olivia newton-john and a demon resembling barry white, who instructed him to kill. okay, let me ask you a question here. i'm a little confused. does this, is this -- is this -- do you get a sense, how do you know if someone's insane? this is almost so insane as to be fake insane. >> exactly and that's my thoughts. i don't know how midwn feels about this, but in georgia now, their standard is could this person differentiate between right and wrong. so the mental illness portion is separate. whether the person is mentally ill and in this case, they're saying he's bipolar. and has delusional disorders. you can be bipolar and have delusions, but you still might know what you're doing and what is right and wrong. >> one of the problems, too, that i think the defense has with that argument, that this guy was guilty by reason of
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insanity, is that this was a man who was operating at a high level. he was a high level operations manager at general electric. he managed about 5,000 engineers and managed the budget of $800 million. it's very difficult to have someone come from that background, no history of mental illness, and then say that you are insane. >> how do they test you, when you have gone through this before? how do they test someone to be insane? could you fake it? >> i'll tell you how i can tell. don't you have the clients that come to you and say, i see little green men. then they're lying. that's the test right there. in all seriousness, what we have gone through as prosecutors and defense attorneys, is that if the defense puts forth the insanity defense, then the defense attorney will have the client interviewed by a psychologist and or a psychiatrist. then the prosecutor gets a chance to have the person interviewed by a psychiatrist and or psychologist.
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>> what makes the cases so difficult is typically the prosecutors have the burden of proof in criminal trials, but in a case where you're pleading guilty by reason of insanity, it's almost a burden shifting and the defense has to prove that the person was insane at the moment. that definition is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. when you look at the fact of this case where this guy fled from the scene, those are things that point to him knowing what he did was wrong. >> what about the role of the mistress? people have said she didn't have, show remorse when her husband died and people can have all kinds of reason and shock at that moment, but is this something they're going to be pursuing whether she was involved? >> i think at this point, it's all about the mistress. she's been banished from the courtroom. >> when you put forth an affirmative defense like insanity, the trial becomes all about the insanity plea and
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that's it because then, the defense puts on their experts for the insanity plea and then the prosecution has to rebutt with the prosecution experts, and they're going to forget about the mischerotress by then. >> the mistress in this case, the relationship she had with the man who died is what makes this case so interesting and what keeps everybody watching. >> i was going to say sexy, but i didn't want to because someone died. that's what draws attention to this case is the mistress and the lack of emotion she displayed when he died is doing tool be something people are watching throughout the duration of the trial. >> this is going to be a fascinating one. there's insane people who do a lot of things, including $800 million in revenues, they can manage whole countries. >> those korans burned in afghanistan has caused a lot of anger.
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president obama has apologized to the afghan people. alex is no stranger to afghanistan. he was embedded with soldiers. he's also the author of "the shadow patrol" and he's "outfront" tonight. >> unfortunately, oupgs have an expiration date, and ten years is a long time. this happened, you know, because we accidentally burned the korans, but there would have been some reason that this happened. >> what about the issue of accidentally? there seems to be a lot of people in afghanistan who don't believe that, people in the united states who are skeptical of that. what do you think? >> what would we gain by intentionally burning the sacred book? people don't recognize these books are almost always in arabic, and the soldiers who are doing this don't read arabic. it look like another book that a detainee had that they weren't supposed to have. >> you obviously spent a lot of time in afghanistan. you were embedded with troops in afghanistan.
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in your most recent book, you talked about the difficulty for the u.s. troops in trying to -- the frustrations a lot of them feel. >> in "the shadow patrol" i tried to embed, i did embed, i tried to get a sense of what was going on over there. there's no question that our guys have an incredibly difficult job because what we're trying to do is convince the villages you shouldn't side with the taliban. you should remain neutral if not friendly to us. the problem is we're leaving. they know we're leaving if it's not next year, three years, five years from now. the taliban are staying, they're afghans. it's very hard for us to win that battle. >> and you talk about in the book, it's fascinating, the guy in the cia who is coordinating with a couple soldiers, a sniper, to basically do heroin deals, the afghanis make a lot of money by selling it into europe. would it surprise you if
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something like that were not just fiction? >> it would not. there have been small drug rings uncovered. the british, i think it is, started searching their returning soldiers' stuff more carefully because they were concern about this. the fact we haven't found a major drug ring doesn't mean there isn't one. it may just mean that the people running it are doing a good job. >> you said something ability occupations have an end date, an expiration date. >> after ten years, you have probably done all you can. it's also pretty clear if obama wins, we're going to be out, aside from the special forces and probably the cia. we'll probably keep those programs, special forces and drones, but the guys on the ground will be gone. >> what will happen when you look at the situation are the koran. someone said, something like this happened, accidental or not, it sets us back ten years. it was a throw away comment, but
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i'm curious to your perception how much an event like that really does hurt the view of the united states? >> it certainly hurts us. set us back ten years? no, does it undo -- we could build 100 schools, when one koran gets burned, it undoes that. it certainly undoes all of the soft efforts to builds goodwill that we spend a lot of time and money on. >> global steel production is way, way down, but you know what? that is good news for the rebels alliance. tonight's number is next. cript and had them read it. no, sorry, i can't help you with that. i'm not authorized to access that transaction. that's not in our policy. i will transfer you now. my supervisor is currently not available. would you like to hold ? that department is currently closed. have i helped you with everything you needed ? if your bank doesn't give you knowledgeable customer service 24/7, you need an ally. ally bank. no nonsense. just people sense.
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so, the world's steel production fell about 8% in january. hardest hit, china and japan. output in each of those countries fell by 10 persh. not hurting, the united states. steel production was up 6%, which is a good piece of news for this country's economy is apparently for our defense. which brings us to tonight's number. one quadrillion. one and 15 zeros. that's how many tons of steal it would require to build a death star. this is true, apparently. aaccording to a pair of lee high students, it's 87 miles in diameter and has the same denlsdenls density as a modern