>> what can i say? they call me a rambling man, don't they? anyway, god bless and we'll sign off. why are millions of young people hanging on the word of the 76-year-old texas congressman. >> i think the patriotic system is unpatriotic because it undermines our liberty. i remember voting on a declared declaration of war. >> tonight ron paul, one-on-one. >> i'm willing to challenge any of these gentleman up here to a

25 mile bike ride any time of the day in the heat of texas. >> how he has already changed the face of the republican party. >> my questions and your questions from twitter tonight. piers morgan interview starts now. good evening. tonight the piers morgan interview comes to you from las vegas. last time i dined in this restaurant was with sill vestor stuloan. you are the rocky of this campaign. how do you feel about that analogy? >> i have no idea how to respond to that. i hope it can be positive. >> americans love an under dog. you remain an under dog despite

this support that young people see you as an under dog. do you believe like rocky that you could spriepz everybody and actually win this race? do you genuinely believe you can become the nominee? >> yes. obviously so. i think the record of this campaign, the republican campaign these last almost 12 months now shows you that a lot of candidates are coming and going. they peak out and all of a sudden they are gone. we are down to four. one thing characteristic of our campaign is it is steady growth. i saw a clip on the internet that says once you become a ron paul supporter you remain a ron paul supporter. >> your supporters say you stick to that principal. that is definitely great because someone like mitt romney everyone knows he changes his

mind. he can be a stick to beat you with in the sense that if you never change your mind about anything is that in itself healthy? >> time and history helps change your views. i have changed and modified my views on what i think about the death penalty. so it is not overly ridged but i st see it as a refinement in growth and developing a fill aphilosop. we had a grand experiment here and i'm motivated by the fact that i would hate to see it lost. i would like to refine it and pick up the pieces where we left off and actually improve up on what we had in the past. >> you are the oldest candidate and yet the one that many say has the most energy and the biggest youth following. where do you get this energy

from? >> i don't know exactly where does our health come from. there is a lot of things. mental health is important. >> do you have a regime in the campaign? >> yes but it gets interrupted the campaign. i have had a strict regime that involves a lot of exercise and eating habits are very important. >> what do you do exercise-wise? >> when i have time i would get up in the morning and i want to get outside. outside gives me relaxation. i don't want to ride an exercise bike inside. i ride a bike and i walk. in the morning i like to walk about three to four miles. good health habits i think can prevent usage of a lot of

medication. i think my parents might have had a little to do with good health. >> what about diet? what about eating and drinking? >> not overly strict. i'm not fanatic but i watch the white things, the white sugars and all. although i do eat meat i think fish is better. but it's not overly radical. but i think fresh vegetables are good. most of it is probably more common sense than anything i learned in medical school. >> you look good. is this part of the reason that you think the youth are energized by you? they like the fact that you are this guy who sticks to his prince pals? >> i think that is it. sometimes they translates that in by health habits but i think it is the principles of liberty that are more inviting. i think their minds are more open. i don't think their minds are

cluttered. we live in an era today where the failure of government programs is so blatant. although i have been doing this for a long time and we have had a lot of interest in the last five to ten years, it really came to life once the financial crisis which many of us who have been involved in austrian economics predicted would come this sort of confirmed it and people were kind of uneasy. we are interconnected with global trade and global banking. i think that has energized the people because i have been warning about these things. >> does it help that you were a child of the great depression? you grew up through that depression and saw twhaut took to do that. i was fascinated to read the sheer volume of jobs that you did as a young man. you worked with your father on the dairy. you did countless jobs. you worked very, very hard.

do you see that kind of hard work ethic now in america? and if the answer is no, is that one of the fundamental problems, that that work ethic has evolved over the years? >> that's a big issue. people ask me about how my parents might have had influence on politics. they were conservative republicans. i think where they contributed a lot to my thinking was it was work ethic, depression and world war ii. the depression didn't end until after world war ii. i remember world war ii more than the depression and things got worse. there was rationing and no new cars. the work ethic was very, very important. i think that had a large impact on me. at the same time i worked that into a philosophy. i talk a lot about it at my speeches especially on college campuses of not depending on the government. they are not there. they are bankrupt. they try to give everybody a

free house. you have to assume responsibility for yourself. >> although i agree with you to a certain degree i think i take issue when it comes to something like health care. your belief basically is that if you can't afford the insurance for medicare or whatever it may be then you have to fend for wrourself somehow or get your local community to bail you out. am i misrepresenting you? >> it is much more compassionate than how it sounds. if you see the extent of total socialism it is not very compassionate. what happened at the end of the soviet system tlmpt was no soviet system. they were bankrupt. i was in medicine when we had no government. i don't remember the problems as badly as i remember the problems now. >> what about as we have in

britain the basic right to health care for every citizen. what is wrong with that as a principle? >> i think the basic principle is wrong in that you don't have a right to somebody else's life. you have a right to your life and your liberty and keep what you earn but you don't have a right to take food from somebody else. you say i'm not going to take it, the government is going to take the food. you don't have a right to somebody else's house but the government will get the house from me. we believe you can't get violence to get what you want and you can't use the government. >> what if you don't have the ability to get your own health care? you have no means to do that? what do the people who mitt romney was dismissive of the other day, what do those people do, absolutely the most vulnerable parts of society? under your presidency what would they do to get health care?

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campaign ad for ron paul. i follow what you say about how you get out of tough times and it is probably completely opposite to how barack obama is doing it. we saw jobless figures which are the best since he became president. do you give him credit for that? do you think he is doing a good

job in reducing jobless figures? >> i wouldn't give him too much credit. everyone should be pleased there are more jobs but they are pretty puny to what we should be doing. the figures are not that glamorous because during the last month 1.2 million people dropped out of the workforce. you get 200,000 new jobs and 1.2 dropped out you still lost a million jobs. you can't fudge the figures. that is what politicians do. let me try to finish that. if you do that actually the unemployment rate is 11%, not 8.5. >> is there a problem here? if all the republicans keep dumping on what are apparently good figures then the momentum, the positivity that america needs to get out of depression

gets stymied. this is from jed, a republican observer. he said today is an indication of another failure. 36 months in a row of 8% plus unemployment which is a ludicrous way of spending it. how can you say this is a problem of a president getting wrong? isn't the better thing, i suppose the more credible position is for republicans to say i'm encouraged by this? >> to me it is more important that you admit the truth. so if i'm speaking the truth. we might have to compare figures. let's assume that i'm speaking the truth and the 200,000 new jobs was a net benefit, we quit counting people. if i'm speaking the truth the most important thing is we know the truth. as a matter of fact, you'll probably have a hard time, you

probably haven't heard me in a speech. i do talk about the president maybe not doing enough about the wars. i'm not saying the president do enough. it is not all the president's fault. he hasn't done anything to come in my direction of going back to a market economy or looking at balancing the budget. republicans or democrats don't want to cut anything. >> what about mitt romney's comment that he is not concerned about the poor? >> i'm in this race because i care about americans. i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> it was a misstatement. i misspoke. i said something similar to that but quite acceptable for a long time. when you do i don't know how many thousands of interviews every now and then you get it wrong. >> he says now it was a misstatement. he didn't say that immediately. it sounded awful for somebody aiming to be president to talk about the poor in that way

seemed callus. >> i don't have probably any agreements with mitt on policies, foreign policies, monetary policy, spending policy. i think it was a big issue because of politics, because of the opposition, the media jumping on this. actually, i think i end up defending him. i don't believe for a minute that if mitt romney was sitting here and released everything in his heart and says the truth is i don't care about poor people. i don't believe that. >> what he did say unequivicly is they wouldn't be a priority. if i was president which i never would be because i'm british the poor would be my absolute priority. would they be yours? >> if you listen to what i've been talking about and understood free market economics you would say the most important

thing to do is give them a sound currency, contract rights, don't bail out anybody, no privileged classes. that's when the poor would get the benefits. that's when the jobs would come. this fallacy of saying -- i'm concerned about the poor more than anybody or as much as anybody but i don't think robbing one group and giving more money to the poor and saying you can have your house, just pay the bills but he can't do it so it is a failed policy. it is good intentions. >> when you have someone like warren buffet, one of the richest men in history begging to be taxed more, publicly saying tax me, give the money to those who don't have it, what is wrong with that? >> let him pay. >> what is wrong with having a tax system which just taxes people like him more? >> it destroys the economy. >> he says it doesn't.

>> i say let him pay. >> there is little evidence that raising taxation for the rich destroys the economy. >> i disagree with. what are they going to do with the money? are they going to subsidize the housing industry again? are they going to start another war? >> the problem with the housing industry wasn't that poor people got housing. it was that greedy bankers and financial institutions brought in the subprime mortgage scams which preyed on people who didn't understand the system. >> where would the speculation come from if he didn't have easy credit? >> i agree with personal responsibility. all the middle class people are rushing to support i think overmax their credit cards and spent money they didn't have and are trying to absolve themselves

from personal responsibility. when mitt romney said he is not concerned about the poor i felt offended for everybody in america. i was like you have to have a president -- >> now, if i had been confronted with that the answer would have been different. the answer would have been different from your answer. i would have said that is my deep concern. if you are a true humanitarian and care about not shrinking the middle class. we are getting more poor. you cannot do it without looking at the monetary policy. if you don't do anything else but you just depreciate the currency, the middle class gets wiped out. if you are eon the receiving en, they get tremendous benefit. the poor get poorer and the wealthy get wealthier. when the bailouts come they benefit more and the bad debt

which should have been liquidated is on the people. >> when you look at the car industry, barack obama did bail out the car industry and now they are doing very well. so bailouts can work. >> you're making an assumption it wouldn't have worked with honest bailouts. >> you don't know. it is chicken and the egg. >> it isn't. an honest bailout the people who own the bonds would have been protected. he turned the ownership to the unions. that is not fair. he used force. he was wrong to break the contracts. governments are there to enforce contracts, not to adjust the contracts for the benefit of their political constituency. >> even if it works. >> if a criminal robs the banks and it works. let's take a break and talk foreign policy and the threat of war are iran.

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right now my special guest ron paul. you have lived through many american military conflicts in your lifetime. how many of them do you believe were justified? >> justified plus legal? >> assume you are a pacifist.

i don't get the feeling you are pacifist. i think you believe in military action where legitimate. >> from a strict constitutional view point i don't want to fight wars that are declared so that means since world war ii nothing has been justified. >> do you support the conflict in afghanistan? >> i did but that was to go after those individuals responsibility for 9/11. not to go into nations not going into iraq. >> it was war, wasn't it? >> to go after al qaeda was like going after criminals. >> was it constitutional? >> yes to a degree because it was limited. what i introduced was a resolution to clarify this. don't turn it into an excuse to go into the building. when you are attacked say at pearl harbor that is legitimate.

even though we had a declaration of war in world war i it was a constitutional war but it was very foolish. >> what is the difference between being attacked in pearl harbor and the world trade center? >> a country didn't attack. a bunch of thugs attacked us, not a country. it is a difference. i imagine there weren't even 100 people who knew 9/11 was coming, maybe 50, maybe 40 for all we know. it was a band of thugs that had a grievance with us trying to get our attention. >> have you notified your opinion of what the motivation was? you got a lot of flack at the time although a lot of support, as well, suggesting that the main motivation of the attacks was revenge for iraq. you also said you didn't believe it was an antiwest sentiment.

i'm not sure that is true. if you were to interview the 9/11 attackers i'm pretty dam sure they would also say we are against western values. >> there is no evidence to that. if you read robert pape and michael shore that is not their conclusion. if you look at the 9/11 commission and the d.o.d. studies and c.i.a. and what paul has said, they have come to the conclusion that our presence in the middle east was the most significant event on why they want today come here and kill us. >> wlets let's assume you becom president ron paul and iran strikes at israel what do you do? >> i look at the rules. if the national security is threatened you explain it to the people and go to the congress and say is our national security threatened to such a degree that

we declare war against a particular country. >> if you believe iran had enough uranium to launch a nuclear attack against israel would that knowledge alone mean -- >> we should set aside our c.i.a., israel are not arguing that they have the case and israel said even if they had a weapon it is not a threat to them. >> so you wouldn't ever account any preemptive strike? >> that's aggression. we're not supposed to commit aggression. that's left for the dictators. we now don't do aggression but what we do is preemptive war. preemptive war is equivalent to that. >> he believes in wiping out israel if he got the chance. if you were president in the second world war and you were

given knowledge the japanese were planning pearl harbor you would preemptively strike. >> your first subject first and that is quoting ahmadinejad. what he said on the proper interpretation was that the regime from jerusalem should be removed from time. just think of removing a regime like getting rid of our administration. i'm trying to defend honesty and trying to defend openness and willing to stop a war just -- please let me finish my sentence just like john kennedy was able to talk to crushp. why can't we talk to a country that doesn't have a nuclear missile. >> a lot of americans who may

like you personally. they think you're weak on this because of the preemptive issue. if you had knowledge and you were president when pearl harbor happened, would you have attacked japan? >> imminent attack, we are seeing the planes come over, yes. >> intelligence it may happen. >> it is quite different when the planes are coming versus this fiction. we shouldn't have such short memories. everything they are saying about iran were said about iraq and they were all lies. this is the same principle. >> i opposed the war in iraq vigorously and loudly. >> then you should oppose us going into iran. >> i think iran is a different situation because i think they would if they could consider

attacking israel. if you are america you can't let that happen and the israelis are looking to america. >> why shouldn't they depend on the british? why don't the british take care of them? let the british kids die. why is it assumed that we are the police men of the world? besides, we are broke. >> aren't they times when you have to be the police men of the world? >> no. we should provide for our national security. we do not have the authority. we do not have the money. and we don't have the moral authority to do this because it leads to trouble. let's take a break and come back and talk social issues. i want to talk to you about marriage, gay marriage, abortion, see what you really think. . [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain.

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i think ron paul's views are totally outside the mainstream of virtually every decent american. >> newt gingrich calling ron paul totally outside the mainstream, the man who wants a moon colony. let's talk social issues because people often say you are a conservative liberal. there aren't many of those around. let me ask you about your view of gay marriage because i have read differing twists on this.

what is your honest opinion? >> i am totally neutral when people want to be married and call it a marriage it is none of my business. i don't think government needs to be involved. >> state by state enforcing it. >> it is better than the federal government either legalizing or prohibiting. >> you are a practicing baptist and you take your religion serious. you don't travel with a woman on her own. is that right? >> not if it was out of context of what i believe is normal, no. >> what do you think of gay marriage in terms of values in. >> i'm not into the value judgment. i know my values but i don't know other people's values. freedom is -- >> what does your religious belief and your personal value

tell you about gay marriage? >> i personally think married to one woman is what is natural and good for me and it serves me well. one of the reasons maybe i have been married for 55 years. i believe i should set examples. i should teach my children a certain way but i don't believe in the use of force whether economic or social. i don't want to force people into accepting my value. that is what is so miraculous about freedom is that i have become more tolerant. >> have you become more tolerant about this issue? >> because of the politics i have been more forced to talk about it. most of my growing up it was a nonissue. >> it wasn't so much a nonissue as most people have been opposed to it. >> in high school and college i don't remember having a single discussion or a classroom discussion or a political

discussion ever. it has only been the last ten years or so. >> if you became president and asked directly, do you personally approve from a values perspective of gay marriage what would you say? >> i would say to each his own and i approve it because thatset the way they want to run their life and i respect their freedoms. that is why freedom works because it recognizes what other people do, if i don't recognize what others want to do i can't have my freedom. my freedom depends on their freedom so i can set my standards and others can decide whether they want to follow me or not. >> i don't believe in abortion under any circumstance, something diven as your time as a doctor. i read that you once delivered a two and a half pound baby. >> i wasn't a participatant. i was a casual observer. >> you witnessed this?

>> i walked in a room. it happened. i walked out the room and i was like what did i see? it is a lack of respect for life. >> here is the dilemma that i put to rick santorum. i was surprised by his answer although i sort of understood that he would come up with this. it is a dilemma that i'm going to put to you. you have two daughters. you have many granddaughters. if one of them was raped and i accept it is a very unlikely thing to happen but if they were would you look at them in the eye and say they had to have that child if they were impregnated? >> if it is an honest rape, that individual should go immediately to the emergency room. i would give them a shot of estrogen. >> you would allow them to abort the baby? >> it is absolutely in limbo. an hour after intercourse or a day afterwards there is no legal

or medical problem. if you talk about somebody coming in and say i was raped and i'm seven months pregnant that is a little different story. somebody arriving in an emergency room saying i have just been raped and there is no chemical, medical and legal evidence of a pregnancy -- >> life doesn't begin at conception? >> life does begin at conception. >> then you would be taking a life? >> you don't kboep. to decide everything about abortion and respect for life on this one very, very theoretical condition where there may have been a life or not a life. >> although it is a hypothetical it does happen. people do get raped and impregnated and sometimes they are so ashamed weeks go by before they discover they are

pregnant and they have to face this dilemma and they are going to have a president with a strong view about this. >> this is like the proposal that the people who like abortion endorse abortion because it is a woman's right to her body, does that mean one minute before birth you can kill the baby? i have seen this on a tv program where women were opposed to what i was saying. this woman has the right. do you abort this baby because this woman had unfortunate circumstances so the doctor gets paid a fee to kill this baby. that is what they are talking about. they are talking about a human life. so a person immediately after rape it's a tough one and i won't satisfy everybody there. to tell you the truth, what i saw happening in the 1960s and the change in the law and the change in attitude, people were

doing illegal abortions. to me it is a moral problem. it was to change the morality of the 60s, the lack of respect to life leads to the lack of respect for liberty and the things i believe in. it was a change in morality that had the supreme court change the law. i don't believe the change in the law is the magic cure. i do believe very sincerely if we don't have an understanding for life and a respect for life i can't defend people on their personal liberties. i can't be as tolerant on how they use their liberties. that is why i think it is really a moral issue rather than a legal solution to these problems. as a physician as a gynecologist i have had to face these difficult problems and i understand them. even before row versus wade many of those problems with no perfect answer they were taken care of but they respected the fact they were dealing with a

life. >> do you accept there is a slight contra diction between a candidate who is pro personal responsibility in almost every other area but on this specific area says you don't have choice. >> i don't see inconsistency because i see the baby within the mother as deserving some protection, too. that fetus has rights because if i do harm to him i get sued. if you have a car accident and kill a fetus there are legal rights there. to say it is only the mother it is very, very unique. if you carry your argument all the way through we have a right to our homes. shouldn't we have the privacy to our homes? do we have the right to kill the baby one minute after birth? we can kill the baby before it's born and the doctor gets paid. one minute after birth if the woman who was unfortunate to have the baby, if she

throwathize baby away she gets arrested for a homicide. to me the one minute before birth and after birth isn't a lot different. >> you understand people with serio serious conviction they say it is. they say life begins at conception. >> life begins at conception. it is a moral maze. let's talk about your family. you have five children. 18 grandchildren. let's talk about your extraordinary family and your wife. [ male announcer ] this is lawn ranger -- eden prairie, minnesota.

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a pretty extensive tour and my wife has been with me. she didn't make it this morning because this was her day i said that she could sleep in and i provided her breakfast this morning because it is our 55th wedding anniversary day. >> ron paul on how he and his

wife, carol, celebrated their 55th wedding anniversary. what is the secret to a long lasting marriage? >> i think a lot of respect and acceptance of both of our shortcomings. and i just think that if you have respect for other people and reject the whole idea that you force people, either intimidate. i don't like it in politics or a personal relationship you do it my way or else, i think people get in trouble to force their way on others. i think in a good marriage you shouldn't be using intimidation and force. >> what would she say your shortcomings are? >> she would probably be pretty generous. >> what do you think they are, being self critical? >> i can get upset. most people don't realize i do get upset. she gets on the receiving end.

if i get tired in the campaign or complain i complain to her. i think that has been part of it. if she has a problem or is not feeling well she comes to me. so maybe part of a good marriage is being a sounding board for the other person. >> what do you believe about discipline with children? were you a spanker when you were young? >> no, not really. but i wasn't spanked when i was growing up. our kids didn't get spanked. there would be a time you might have to give them a little tap or something to remind them. >> do you believe parents should have the right to give their kids a tap? >> yeah. as long as they are not practicing severe child abuse. i would work real hard to promote an understanding that you don't achieve a whole lot by

using force and intimidation just like in politics i reject the use of force telling other countries what to do. so raising kids would be the same way. i can remember growing up and we had certain real strong believes. i thought i wonder what my parents talked to me about behavior, drinking or anything. they never did. it was sort of through osmosis that you know what the standards are. fortunately we have had five wonderful children tlmpt must have been a little bit of osmosis there because i certainly wasn't a lecturer. >> what were the most important values your parents distilled in you? >> i think hard work. they had a lot of respect for religious values. we did go to church routinely. i was raised in a lutheran church. confirmation in the church was a major event. when we were old enough to decide we wanted to be confirmed that became a bigger event than

any birthday party. that was pretty important. >> two things has happened which in many ways some are the very best of america. one is the facebook situation where you have a young kid who has a brilliant idea and turns into a $100 million idea and creates a thousand millionaires. is that a good thing? do you see negatives? >> i think it is the american dream and i think you picked a good example because he provided a service. he didn't make money as much as he knew something that he anticipated people might like. he became wealthy because he gave a service. the consumer voted him to have the confidence. i'm on the side of occupy wall street when they complain about the 1%. i separate the two.

if you made your money because you provided a service and the people bought it and didn't get subsidies from the government or benefits from an inflation ary system. >> will you ever drop out of this race? or are you here to the bitter end? >> i will drop out if somebody gets inaugurated. i'm thinking where the next stop is, where i go this evening and where i sleep tonight and how to encourage the workers to get the vote out. >> hypothetically if you got to a point where you wanted to drop out, could you imagine endorsing another candidate? would you do that or are you opposed to doing that on principle? >> it would be a real challenge. i think people change their minds. some of them change their minds more easily than others. if they change them favorably and they