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able to help others through organ donation. in just about 2 1/2 hours, the high school sophomore accused of shooting five fellow students, three of whom have now died, is due to appear in juvenile court. the state's attorney general says that it is likely that 17-year-old tj lane will be tried as an adult. people who knew him said that lane was a guarded boy, from a troubled family. for more on that and the victims and the fallout from yesterday's terrible attack, i want to bring in my colleague, ted rowlands, who is live from chardon. this young boy is in a lot of trouble, likely adult trouble. and now with a third death in this case, i'm hearing that the sheriff is saying, we're moving to another phase. what exactly does the sheriff mean by that? >> well, clearly, we're talking about a triple homicide and this is a premeditated homicide, actually, and to say that he's in a lot of trouble is an understatement. and yes, he is a juvenile at this point, but we have seen in

case after case where the crime, if it exceeds a certain level, there is a move by the prosecutor to try to get the individual responsible moved up to adult court, and we absolutely expect that to happen today, in a few hours, in the building behind me here. at this point, he is being treated as a juvenile, not even releasing his name. but i think after this hearing is over, it will be a much different story. >> and ted, his attorney was all over television already this morning, talking about the remorse and how this young man feels bad about what's happened. but i can't imagine that that will bode well for any kind of insanity defense. do we have any idea what the defense might be for these actions? >> well, i think it's way too early to look at that in terms of a strong for a defense attorney. i think that, clearly, this defense attorney was getting out in front, because the community had so many questions. and he was working with the family. and it sounded like the family

really did want to communicate on some level with the community, and in cases like this, you see this very often, one of the victims, if you will, in this, is the family of the accused, a lot of times. you know, we don't know what signs were there, if any, but clearly they are going through a lot of pain as well, lang with this entire community, and now that pain is even deeper, within the last hour, this news that a third student has died. >> ted, do we know anything at this point about witness accounts? i mean, other than what's been said on the news and those who ran for their lives and scrambled from that school, what about those who might be able to give more critical information about what actually happened inside that cafeteria, at that table, where now three have died and two more still are in the hospital. >> well, i think one thing it's safe to say in this case, ashlei ashleigh, there not be a lack of information, in terms of eyewitness accounts. and also, there is a

surveillance tape that recorded the entire episode throughout, from the beginning, until the shooter left the cafeteria area. and one of the people that has seen this tape has talked to the cleveland plain dealer, and he says that it is very clear, you see the accused here, tj lane, walk in, sit by himself at a table in the cafeteria. you see him reach into a backpack, pull out a handgun, and then go directly to a table where there were four, three to four children at the table, young men, and he just shoots them all. then you see him actually leave. so with the witnesses, with this tape, i think they have a very, very clear picture of the details as to what happened during the actual shooting. now, the motive, that's another story. >> motive is always another story. but as you know and i know, you don't need to prove any motive in order to get a conviction in this case, or any other. ted rowlands, thanks very much for that. ted rowlands reporting live for us in ohio. and we'll have more on this story straight ahead.

but we do want to turn to our other news of the day, politics, another very big story today. crucial primaries playing out in arizona and michigan. for mitt romney and for rick santorum, 59 delegates. that's the number up for grabs when both of those states go to vote all day today. a lot of attention on mitt romney's home state of michigan, where his father served as governor back in the '60s. a lot of political pundits say losing michigan could certainly sting mitt romney's bid for the republican nomination. some recent polls show that romney and santorum are in a statistical dead heat in that state. and while the republican candidates face off, president obama took an opportunity to shore up support with the united auto workers. he told them he was proud of them and he knew the 2009 auto bailout would succeed. >> it wasn't because of anything the government did, it wasn't just because of anything management did, it was because i

believed in you. i placed my bet on the american worker. and i'll make that bet any day of the week. >> despite his critics, president obama says since the bailout, the entire auto industry has added more than 200,000 new jobs over the past 2 1/2 years. more than 7,500 syrians have been killed in the nearly one-year revolt against syrian president bashar al assad. that's the latest word from the united nations today. and the slaughter just keeps continuing. [ gunfire ] opposition groups say at least 60 people have been killed so far just today. many of them in the opposition stronghold of homs. among the dead, three women, two children. yesterday, it was even more deadly. 144 people were reported killed across the country. and on capitol hill today, secretary of state hillary clinton denounced assad's year-long assault on his own

people, saying that he could be tried for war crimes. however, the secretary said that pursuing charges against assad could hinder efforts to persuade him to simply just step down. an italian cruise ship disabled in the indian ocean with 636 passengers on board is now being towed by a fishing vessel to the seychelles. assisting in the rescue, a seychelles coast guard ship and two tug boats who are navigating this ship through pirate-infested waters. a fire knocked out the engine of the "costa allegra" yesterday, and if that name sounds a bit familiar, it's because it is the sister ship of this one "the costa concordia," which you'll remember remember ran aground and capsized off the italian coast last month. in japan, a rare visit to the fukushima nuclear plant. we want you to be able to take a look at some pictures we have exclusively. cnn is the only u.s. network permitted to tour the plant nearly one year after the triple

meltdown. look at those pictures. you'll recall that happened after the region was hit by a massive earthquake and a tsunami. here's cnn's kyung lah just after she arrived. >> reporter: this is the heart of the nuclear problem in japan. what you're seeing over my shoulder are the reactors. the two over my shoulder, those are the two reactors that exploded in the early days of this disaster. an army of 3,000 workers is now working around the clock to try to control the melted nuclear fuel and also contain the further spread of radiation there. and still with our developing story in ohio today, the shooting at chardon high school near cleveland, three of the students are now dead and two are in the hospital as the tragedy has many people wondering, is there anything that can be done to protect kids from a rogue teenage shooter?

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14-year-old boy kills three classmates and wounds five at a high school prayer meeting in west paducah, kentucky. in march, 1998, two boys, 11 and 13, kill four girls and a teacher outside a middle school in jonesboro, arkansas. just two months later, may, 1998, a 15-year-old boy kills two students, one day after being suspended for bringing a gun to school. and, of course, april, 1999, columbine. eric harris and derek clooebl kill 12 students and a teacher and wound dozens more before kill themselves. since then, teachers, administrators, first responders all have had to learn about how to keep schools safer. and my guest is coming up now has done much of that teaching. ken trump is president of national school safety and security services. a private consulting firm based in cleveland. and he comes to us today from chardon. mr. trump, thanks so much for

being with us. and i'm sorry that it has to be under these circumstances. i've been watching some of the video of these kids running for their lives. i've been listening to their comments, saying that they thought that it might just be another one of the drills that they do so often. do you think, sir that this actually might have been a much, much worse story today, but for the kinds of procedures that have been put in place since those other stories have all played out? >> ashleigh, it's unfortunate that we have to say that we have a textbook response to school emergency situations and school shootings, but we do have one. and they followed to it a tee, from what we can tell here in chardon, ohio. we look at situations with mass parent notification systems, lockdowns, evacuation at the appropriate time, having a site, an elementary school designated to reunite parents and their students, law enforcement response. this afternoon, i talked with the sheriff's spokesperson who said that they had done active shooter training here three years ago with a regional

s.w.a.t. team. these are all things that we've talked with school officials about, in the past 13 years, especially with columbine, and by all accounts, they followed that yesterday. >> well, it's just awful to have to read a list that i did while introducing you, and that was just a snapshot of some of the worst ones. my question to you is, are we getting any better at this? are there fewer school shootings? more school shootings, where do we stand? >> well, the good news is schools are actually getting better at preventing these incidents. the bad news is, we still see sfents slipping through the cracks. school officials are better train today, but we have some new challenges. one, for example, is social media. right after columbine, we talked about training students to report incidents, threats, concerns that they heard in the hallways and the cafeteria and challenge today, ashleigh, is how do we police the internet? how do we police facebook and twitter and get those early warning signs there? things that used to be said in

the cafeteria that are now being said out in cyberspace somewhere. so there are some new challenges, but i think that, still, the first and best line of defense is a well-trained, highly alert staff and student body. and it's the relationship with kids that's going to come through to determine if we can continue to prevent these incidents. unfortunately, some are going to slip through the cracks. >> and let me ask you about one of the staff members who's really being considered a hero. his name is frank hall. he's the assistant football coach. apparently, if the story is correct, he was able to somehow usher this story out of the school before any further shootings could happen. and that student was then arrested. while that is incredible and heroic and thank god there were no other kids shot, is that the kind of thing that teachers should be doing? i recall a story in florida where barry bruno, a teacher confronted nathaniel brazil and was shot dead because he did so. >> i've worked with with schools across the country from all 50 states and i've talked with

teachers who have not had to think twice to take a gun out of the hands of a child. it's not something that we can train for. this is something that's in their heart, in the body, in who these teachers are. they care about their kids. during the course of the day, those are their kids, in place of the parents, and teachers take that to heart. we've seen time and time again, across the country, i've worked in a school where a kid brought a machete and attacked students and an assistant principal chased him down the hallway and tackled him, and had it not been but a couple of inches in the different direction, that machete would have gone into his head. our teachers are truly heroes, but they also don't look at themselves as that. they look at it as just doing their jobs and caring for their kids. >> well, ken trump, it's good to talk to you, and i'm sorry it's about this topic, but it's good that you do the work that you do. thanks for being with us today. >> thank you, ashleigh. still ahead today, you pay for your kid's cell phone, but did you know that you may not be

able to access their text messages? not without a court order, anyway. one state is hoping to change that and we'll talk to the state senator who's behind the bill to do so. but is there a catch? that's all coming up.

you only have your kids' best interests at heart, right, their safety? but just try to take a look at their text messages, and you might need a subpoena. i'm not kidding. you think it'd be as easy as grabbing their phones and taking a peek through. but they're pretty stealth and tech savvy and they know where the delete button is. so you call your cell phone company, ask for a record of your kids' texts, because you're the one paying the bill, right? it's under your name. yeah, i got news for you. you probably need a court order to get access to your child's text messages. not kidding. but one lawmaker in arizona doesn't like that one bit and is pushing to change that. he's proposing a law that would require cell phone companies to give parents access to their children's texts, if they want it. even if it has to cost them a little money to do so. if the bill's approved, it would likely be the very first in the nation. arizona state senator rich crandall is the lawmaker who's proposing more open access for parents, and he joins us live

from phoenix. it's good to have you with us, senator. let me just ask you, right off the bat. it sounds like an awesome idea, and i'm the parent of a 6-year-old, who's soon to be a texter, i'm sure. but methinks there's got to be a catch here. is there? >> well, it's a challenge. the big four are really putting up a fight on this. so it's interesting to see where we go from here. >> so here's the -- maybe i buried the lead on you, you have six daughters and a son, so you have seven kids. so clearly you know what you're up against with the texting. but there's also that pesky little thing called federal law. and federal law tells us that we just can't have that kind of access, unless we're the creators of the content, right? so how are you going to get this bill to pass muster when the feds will be coming down to crack down on the issue of, you know, privacy and that sort of thing? >> you bet. you know, ashleigh, let me just give you a little bit of brief background. in our education can committee i chair here in the senate, we've been talking about bullying, and

specifically we're talking about cyberbullying. it's a big issue as we're seeing, and the folks in ohio are learning also. my wife happened to be at the verizon store with one of my daughters and casually mentioned to the clerk, hey, what if i want to see my daughter's text, and the clerk said, oh, you would have to have a court order to make that happen. as we were talking over dinner, we decided, that's not right that you don't have a right to look at your children's texts, even if you're paying the bill. so one thing we're finding, it's really not black and white, it's very much a gray area, what the federal law is. so we decided to move forward with a bill and we're receiving tremendous support nationwide from parent always ovs all over, it's incredible. >> and i know while parents probably won't like to hear this, i know i'll probably be one of them at some point, and i know with your seven children, you may be, the supreme court has hashed over at length the issue of the right to privacy and the reasonable expectation of privacy. and that constitutional thing applies to all of us, whether we're minors or whether we're

parents. don't you see an issue here, whereby kids could have a reasonable expectation of privacy while they're texting? >> it the fends what your role is as a parent. does my 12-year-old with a cell phone have a right to privacy? but i'm more concerned about the opportunity for someone to bully one of my children, and for me to be able to intervene as a parent, before something drastic should happen. >> so here's the thing. i got to thinking, if it's hard for us to get these text messages from the cell phone companies for our kids, can we get them for ourselves? like, can i call verizon and say, hey, i think i said something i regret, i really need to re-read it. >> what a great question. and i am not sure most people in the u.s. realize that if you want to see your own text messages, you also have to have a court order. and our legislation here, we're only talking about minor children for this legislation. and it tells the big four, hey, you don't need to change any of your practices, any of your procedures. just that when i approach and ask for this, i don't have to have a court order. if you're one of the big companies that doesn't even keep text messages on your server,

you don't need to begin keeping them now, should this bill pass. >> well, that's the other question. i've covered a lot of criminal cases, whereby the evidence may have been there, but the cell phone company just cannot give the pros of the text. they can give the numbers going back and forth, but they can't give the actual content. so wyou're not suggests for a moment that these big cell phone companies have to start changing their standards and practices and start keeping huge vaults of data, do they? >> not in the least. and i'm impressed, verizon says, if you want to know what the phone number is of texts sent or received, you can go online and access that right now for no cost. verizon told me, as we were going through the bill, they keep the text messages for three days and then they purge them. that makes a lot of sense, depending on the volume of text messages that are sent, day in, day out. but if i want to see those three days' worth of text messages, it may take me two days just to get a court order. >> well, i should have that same policy, because my data is is just cramming up on all my devices. i should have the three-day rule. senator, it's good of you to

join us to talk to us and i hope you'll let us know how you do with this legislation, and if you do pass, how you do on the first challenge to it. it should be interesting. >> i look forward to talking to you again about the bill. thank you. >> thanks so much. it's good to see you. and coming up next, we're going to take you back to our top story. we've had a number of developments in the ohio school shooting development. it certainly does bring back the memories of that tragedy day at columbine. eric harris and dylan cleball became household names, after they opened fire sending children literally running for their lives. coming up, the author of the definitive book "columbine," with some surprising information on why we can or cannot profile the kids who turn out to be killers. [ female announcer ] last year, the u.s. used

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at columbine high school. on april 20th, 1999, two students went on a rampage, killing 13 people and themselves at the school in littleton, colorado. that cold-blooded attack altered forever the way government officials, teachers, and parents view students, especially those who might be considered to be troubled in any way. dave cullen spent ten years researching and writing "the new york times" best seller "columbine" and he's here with me now, as we try to dig into this. dave, thanks for being with us. you were the first person i thought of, and this book is really the definitive guide for anybody who wants to get some kind of an insight, not just on columbine, but on this horrible trend, i hate to say. but we've certainly had a lot of them. we instinctively want to profile these kids. we want to somehow brush them with a similar stroke, something that will make us feel like maybe we can get ahead of this. is that not doable? >> it's not. there were two definitive studies done after columbine, one by the fbi, one by the secret service. both exhaustive, really amazing

studies. they both came to a lot of the same conclusions. one of which was, i believe the quote was, there is no useful or accurate profile of the shooters. it doesn't exist. there are certain characteristics they have in common. most of them surprise people. they're not outcasts, they're not loners. very few are insane or mentally ill. they're not what we think they are, but they do have certain characteristics. >> i remember from 1999 on, many thought that eric harris and dylan klebold were the trench coat mafia and all these things, and your book has really been the definitive proof that we just had it wrong. >> we really had it wrong. and my book summarized and put all these things together and i've been reporting it for a long time, but all of the reporter who is worked on the story realized after a while that we had it wrong, and most of the major papers all did story about the myths and correcting it, but the story really never got out to the public that we had it wrong. but everybody, you know, in our business realized we really methods that up. it wasn't about jobs, it wasn't

about the trench coat mafia, it wasn't about targeting anyone. there was very little evidence that they were actually bullied and it had anything too with their motives. >> that's why this is so critical. this has just transpired, you know, 24 hours ago. and we're hearing some of the same things. that, you know, this young man was a good kid, a nice kid, sure liked him a lot, somewhat quiet. a bit troubled in his past. i remember you saying something along the lines of dylan and eric were honors kids, worked in a pizzeria, well liked by their friends. that sounds like there's a similar profile. so where should i assume that there's divergence? >> right. well, first of all, with eric and dylan, they were completely different. and they had certain things in common, but they were radically different from each other. some of the indications we're getting so far is that this boy in ohio might be more similar, if anything, to dylan. a lot of people, the people who knew him, that i've been hearing the last day and a half, talking

about being very sad all the time, possibly depressed. most of the school shooters were depressed. something ridiculously high, like two-thirds of them had heater contemplated or attempted suicide before. so you've got a lot of depressive kids. and, yes, the two overwhelming traits, well, in the secret service study, the period, in 25 years, they looked at, 100% were boys. and occasionally there are females, but very, very rarely. it's almost always boys. the other thing that was overwhelming was that 98% had experience what had they perceived as either a major failure or loss -- >> like a girlfriend or a test score. >> yes, exactly. getting fired from the job or just a socially humiliating situation. it could be bullying, it could be something that everybody else saw as minor, but for them it felt traumatic, they felt like they lost face. so what we're really talking about is sort of a blow to the ego, where they feel -- >> their world is crashing down.

>> yes, yes, it is. >> so how many of these kids, and i know it's hard to brush them from all the same stroke, but for the most part, how many of these kids say something to anyone before they go ahead and kill their friends? >> thank you. that is so crucial. i've got all these numbers in my head, i believe it's 81%. it's the overwhelming majority. >> holy cow. >> and we're not talking about warning signs or hints, we're talking about coming right out and explicitly saying, they're going to kill people. and i believe it's 67% who tell more than one person. and -- >> adults? >> no, no. well, that's the catch. it's almost never adults. it's something like -- it was 93 -- i just looked at these quotes before -- numbers. 93% of the time, it's a peer. usually a friend of theirs, sometimes a sibling, almost never an adult. and that's why it's crucial for us to be able to get an environment where can kids feel comfortable telling the adults. >> listen, i've got 30 seconds left, but there's something in your newest paperback that a lot

of people dona't know about, tht the parents of eric harris and dylan klebold have had meetings, four secret meetings where they got together and talked. do you know what they said? >> in the paperback edition, it's in there, and i did a piece on the daily beast too. but the harris parents definitely believe that eric was a psychopath, which is -- which is not what most people think, but that's what the fbi thinks. and the klebolds, god, they're just going through -- both sets of parents, they're going through such misery. they're having a really tough time too. i feel for them. >> it's hard for people who feel as though there are so many other parents out there who are grieving the loss of their children, because of murder, to deal with those other parents who are dealing with their children's suicides or murders or lifetime incarceration. >> and it's terrible, obviously, i feel for the survivors, but the parents too. >> this book is great. >> thank you. >> you did a great job.

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time now for fair game. and that is exactly what michigan is right now. fair game in the republican presidential race, anyway. it's really boiled down to a two-man race between rick santorum and mitt romney. and remember, this is mitt romney's home state. he was born here, dad was governor here, and no candidate in the last quarter century has won the nomination without first winning his home primary. uh, no pressure. so joining me now gentry collins, former national political director for the republican national committee. and also on board is democratic political consultant ed espinoza. all right, guys, i want to talk

about mischief. because that seems to be a big story today. and here's how the mischief has been playing out. rick santorum has been sending out robo calls to democrats, saying, vote for me and let's sink this guy, mitt romney. have a listen. >> on tuesday, join democrats who are going to send a loud message to massachusetts mitt romney by voting for rick santorum for president. this call is supported by hard-working democratic men and women and paid for by rick santorum for president. >> paid for by rick santorum for president. now, for a very different reason another guy is also sending out robo calls, and he is also sending out robo calls to democrats. his name is joe d'sanno, and he's doing it because he wants rick santorum to win, because he thinks mitt romney is harder for president obama to beat. so listen to his robo call.

>> we've got to republican candidates for president who i feel are both damaged goods. hopefully my efforts, and the efforts tomorrow in the state to turn this election over to romney -- or, excuse me, over to santorum, will throw an anvil in romney's lap and cause havoc all the way to the republican convention in orlando. >> yeah. he does like a video robo call. i'm kidding. he was explaining his robo call there. but nonetheless, the robo call is going out with the same name on it, vote for rick santorum. let me throw it to you, gentry. is this just a win-win for rick santorum, no matter what the motives are behind those robo calls? >> it may be a win-lose for rick santorum. if he can pull michigan out later this afternoon, that's obviously a big win and a big boost for his campaign. but clearly this race has become a long-term delegate fight. and under any set of circumstances tonight, mitt romney will probably get three quarters of the delegates awarded between the two states in play tonight to rick santorum's one quarter.

and now that this narrative has emerged that started with president obama and his campaign running ads against mitt romney in michigan a week or two ago and now this activity, i think in the march 6th dates, rick santorum may have some trouble with republicans in those states down the road who don't like these kind of tactics. >> well, with mitt romney's been out on the stump today, and he wasn't two keen on the idea of like robo call s coming from al angles against him. here's what he had to say while he was touring amongst his own. have a look. >> you were making calls to republicans today. this is a good thing, all right? yeah. yeah. and the santorum campaign is making calls to democrats today, all right? so we want to make sure we get republicans out to vote. we want this to be a process where republicans choose a republican nominee. we don't want the democrats to choose who they think is the easiest person to run against. so you guys, let's get the calls done and get republicans out to

vote. >> hey, espinoza, do you think that romney should actually be worried about this? that democrats could make a big difference in his effort to close that gap and win his home state? >> well, what he should be worried about is the fact that it's his home state and it's even this close in the first place. these are arguably voters who know him the best. and the people who know him the best are lukewarm on him. that doesn't send a good message to voters in primary states on super tuesday or any other contest after this. >> but, again, do you think the democrats might actually make a difference here? >> i mean, they could. the race is really close, and you know, politics makes for strange bedfellows. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. and in this case, santorum voters and democratic voters have something in common, and neither one of them are too hot on mitt romney, they might have different reasons for thinking that, but in this instance, they're of the same mind. so, yeah, he could lose because a couple of democrats cross

over. it's very similar to the indiana primary in 2008. >> and you know what, it's similar to a lot of other races too. texas, michigan, they've all plaid in before, and both parties have been at this. they actually call it party crashing. it's something that is done by both sides, and everybody complains when it's done to them. hey, gentry and ed, it's nice to see you guys. thanks very much. i can't wait to see what happens tonight. and make sure you tune in tonight for our special coverage of the arizona and michigan primaries. it all starts tonight, 6:00 p.m. eastern. pop your popcorn, get your kids, it's great watching. he is criticized for his extraordinarily tough stance on illegal immigration, but arizona sheriff joe arpaio ain't concerned the least about the controversy. >> you think i'm afraid that you're going to blast me? go ahead and blast me. actually, you help me. every time they blast me and my polls go up. >> aha. so now republicans are waiting with baited breath a

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he calls himself the toughest sheriff in america. sheriff joe arpaio. he's made headlines and built a tough as nails reputation for being outspoken and for being real, real controversial. the arizona and michigan primaries are well underway right now, and there's a lot on the line, especially in arpaio's state, arizona. it is winner take all there, folks. a whole lot of delegates upper for grabs. and sheriff arpaio's coveted endorsement could make a big difference for gop candidates. our suzanne malveaux caught up with the sheriff and spoke one on one with him. she's at her most live in phoenix, where there's probably some of the nicest weather in the country right now. but, i digress. suzanne, everybody says this guy's the kingmaker in arizona. is he going to be crowning

everybody before everybody finishes going to the polls today? >> ashleigh, he's playing it kind of coy at this moment, but we want to remind people just who this sheriff is, because he is an international character. we caught up with him at an art fair in phoenix, and essentially signing the infamous pink underwear and handcuffs made famous by his own policies regarding inmates under his care, the banned coffee, porn, cigarettes, even salt and pepper from their diets, saving the taxpayers some $20,000 a year. so he's a popular guy. he's somebody seen as tough oon criminals, tough on crime. also very much a tough one when it comes to illegal immigration. he is highly controversial. who would benefit from his endorsement? you would think it would be mitt romney. that's the guy who he backed up back in 2008. not so fast. he is not signing on anybody just quite yet. but ashleigh, as you mentioned, nearly everyone has come here to kiss the ring.

>> michele bachmann, herman cain, and of course, perry, i campaigned for him in iowa. >> everybody's come to you, they need your support, they want your support. are you going to give it before the tuesday primary? >> no. >> no? not even a hint? >> nope. >> ashleigh, he did back rick perry. he says rick perry was the only one that was actually doing anything about the border before rick perry dropped out. right now he does not want to say before the primary, but i should also let you know as well, this could be an endorsement, obviously important to these candidates, but could complete backfire as well when it comes to how they look regarding the hispanic community. the justice department says that arpaio is -- accuses him of egregious, egregious racial profiling in the state of arizona. we talked to a lot of hispanic voters who agree that they are stopped, they are pulled over and arrested for no cause. so it is a very controversial endorsement, whoever gets that

endorsement, in the next couple of days. ashleigh? >> and it is a love/hate relationship, for sure. but i may have buried the lead. you said he was in an art show. sheriff joe at an art show. there's the headline right there, suzanne. >> signing and selling the books and the underwear. what he was art show. >> i love it. thanks for that. the polls are open in michigan. that is where mr. wolf blitzer comes in. the expert in all things politics. he's going to tell us what we can expect from these highly anticipated primaries. i am looking forward to it, sir. ♪

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voters in michigan and arizona are making their choices today voting in the republican primaries. joining me now is wolf blitzer from the situation room.

we like to consider him the ringmaster for cnn's expanded coverage of the primaries. you getting ready for the primaries tonight? >> i go on the air at 4:00 p.m. eastern, and we'll be on until midnight or maybe longer. this could be a long, long night, because these polls in michigan, as you know, ashleigh, they show a very, very tight race, so we might not be able to make a projection for a few hours. >> i keep thinking it's the barn burner, so i'm popping popcorn getting ready for the real thing. people are saying if mitt romney doesn't get michigan, he's in real trouble, but isn't arizona the better catch? >> romney is in much better shape in arizona than he is apparently in michigan if you blooe a believe all the polls. you make a good point about the

delegates, and certainly momentum is something people will be looking for. if he loses in his home state, even if he loses only by a few thousand or maybe he winds up getting more delegates, if he loses that popular vote in michigan, ashleigh, it's a huge, huge setback for mitt romney, it's a big win for rick santorum going into the contest for super tuesday. yes, you're right, the delegate issue is very, very important rkimportant, but that momentum inspiring people to lose money, that's going to be very important. >> so president obama was out today, and he took the opportunity, i guess, to dog mitt romney on his big day in michigan. have a listen to this, wolf. >> the gm plan in detroit where i got to get inside a brand new chevy volt fresh off the line, even though secret service wouldn't let me drive it.

but i like fitting in it. it was nice. i'll bet it drives real good. and five years from now when i'm not president anymore, i'll buy one and drive it myself. >> okay, so that wasn't the one that i was actually referring to. the dogging part, wolf, came from the president when he suggested that he would do that bailout and wouldn't let detroit go bankrupt, which was a direct slam on what mitt romney had said in the past. i'm sort of curious whether michiganers still has that burning in their ears, what mitt romney said about letting them fail. >> i think it's going to hurt with all the voters out there. not tonight, but certainly if he were to get the nomination in november. the polls show a hypothetical head to head in michigan, which is an important state with a lot of electoral college votes.

the president would do really, really well against romney or any other republican candidates, for that matter. it might take michigan out of the equation because the president is credited with a lot of auto workers in michigan, not just working with the auto industry, but indirectly with saving a lot of jobs. so he's looking, the president, as if he's in pretty good shape in michigan right now. >> wolf blitzer, i'm looking forward to all your coverage. i'll be watching along with many, many others. >> we might be on the air until 5:00 a.m. >> i was going to say, you might be with me live tomorrow. you just booked yourself on my show, my friend. cnn continues now with my colleague, brooke baldwin. >> i don't know about that 5:00 a.m., because i'll be up there right with wolf blitzer. we might see you at 5:00 a.m. have a lot happening during the

course of the next two hours, including a teenager accused of a deadly school shooting in ohio will be making his very first court appearance. in fact, we will have a camera inside. i'm talking about t.j. lane. witnesses say he is the young man who shot the five students in the chardon high school cafeteria just yesterday morning before 8:00 a.m. cnn has also learned that a third victim has now died. this tight-knit community, they're in absolute disbelief. >> chardon, geauga county, northeast ohio, is rallying like nothing we've ever seen before. the outpouring of concern, hope, encouragement has been unbelievable. people calling just saying thank you. >> obviously, the big question is why law enforcement have yet to release any kind of motive

nor the charges, so we will take you, as we mentioned, live outside the court in just a couple minutes. also, breaking news at cnn the pentagon just had a news conference explaining how some of the remains of some of the 9/11 victims ended up in a landfill. chris lawrence working this for us at the pentagon. chris, a landfill? what do you know? >> reporter: brooke, this was a revelation today in both a report that the pentagon released and in a press release they just had. they brought out the fact or admitted the fact that hundreds, perhaps hundreds of remains, unidentified remains of 9/11 victims from both here at the pentagon and shanksville, pennsylvania, had been in s incinerated and then dumped in the landfill. apparently these remains were too small to be analyzed properly, perhaps too charred from those attacks, but again,

this follows the pentagon's admission that, you know, up to 275 remains from servicemembers over a period of five years were cremated and also dumped into a landfill. so a rather startling admission that some remains from 9/11 victims were cremated and then placed in a landfill. >> i imagine, chris, that this is news to the families, so i'm sure you have yet to speak with any families, but is there anything a family member of a lost loved one from 9/11, anything they can do about that? >> reporter: certainly the families are going to be extremely upset by this revelation. again, some of these remains were so small or so charred, they could not be properly identified or linked to the known remains of a victim from those attacks. but again, you know, if you just look at the reaction from some of the families and some of the servicemember's families, when they reacted to the news that,

you know, perhaps hundreds of servicemembers' remains were being kre macremated and then d in this landfill from 2003 to 2008, you can imagine the sensitivity to which the 9/11 victims' families would also react to this news. >> chris lawrence at the pentagon. chris, thank you. here's what else is ho unfolding right now. first up here, secretary of state hillary clinton testifying on capitol hill on the unfolding situation in syria. and one republican asked her quite bluntly, is president bashar assad a war criminal? >> i think based on definitions of war criminals and crimes against humanity, there would be an argument to be made that he would fit into that category. >> meantime, the violence gets even worse inside syria, the government accused of killing 60 more people today, including women and children. and the voters in michigan,

they are set to deliver a crucial verdict in the republican primary. the on again-off again candidate mitt romney will have a heck of a time proving he is the best candidate if he does not win today in his home state. he is running neck and neck with rick santorum there. president obama pro claimed the detroit auto bailout. he calls the bailout a victory and explains why he believed it would succeed. >> it wasn't because of anything the government did, it wasn't anything the management did, it was because i believed in you. i placed my bet on the american worker. and i'll make that bet any day of the week! >> the obama campaign putting a lot of focus on michigan, especially since the auto industry supports 22% of the state's work force. and we are just getting started. a lot more for you in the next few hours.

watch this. it's 48 hours ago the red flags, the warning signs were there, and this afternoon a teenager is expected in court accused of killing his own peers. we'll take you there live. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. >> i'm running against a guy in this state who is an economic lightweight. >> today's the day. voters in two states have their say. find out why rick santorum is getting a boost from democrats. >> this is my first look on the ground after the accident. >> plus, for the very first time, cnn gets a look at the japanese plant at the center of that nuclear disaster. and norman gecko agreed that defense is good. they now talk to the guy who he played. >> if a deal looks too good to be true, it probably is.

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a 2 a.22 caliber handgun. this handgun typically uses a magazine that holds about six to ten rounds. the weapon was recovered inside the school, not outside the school, so it was dropped by the shooter inside the school, and that is where it was picked up by law enforcement and handed over to atf. we also hear from this source that the gun was legally purchased in the last few years in the general area here of eastern ohio. it's not clear how the teen got the gun, according to the source. they will not identify who the person was that bought it at this point. search warrants, of course, were executed in several spots around the school, including the grandparents of the suspected gunman, and there they did find additional weapons, however, according to the source, those weapons had no bearing on this shooting. so some new information which

gives you an idea about the weapon used, brooke, in the commission of this crime, and one of the big questions was, how did this teenager get this gun, and it seems as though he got it, apparently, from a source, somehow from an acquaintance, but the gun was legally purchased a few years ago, and it was a semiautomatic handgun. we're outside the spot where we'll see t.j. lane, the 17-year-old who is facing charges in this case, will make his initial court appearance in about an hour and a half. the proceedings will be carried live, and we'll have them for you. the judges just allowed cnn to be the camera. so we'll have a camera there and we'll bring the proceedings to all the viewers live. >> ted, i want you to stand by because i want to produce a little more sound, including the information you just provided us about the school that the shooter dropped in the school and it was later recovered. the other question would be where did the shooter get the gun from?

witnesses do say that this teenager, t.j. lane, shot those five people in the cafeteria just before 8:00 yesterday morning in chardon high school. the students including daniel parmentor, russell king and demetrius hewling. just a few minutes ago, the principal made a plea to the community. >> parents, hug your kids. kids, hug your parents. media, when you get a chance to get home, do the same. we're not just anyplace, this is every place. as you've seen in the past, this can happen anywhere, proof of what happened yesterday. >> we also had recordings from the local dispatch center of what was happening in those harrowing minutes. >> we have three students down in the cafeteria at this time. we still don't know where the

shooter is. also there is a fourth one down in room 200. >> ted rowlands, let me bring you back in. you mentioned you were outside that courthouse. this is an appearance. he is 17 years of age. correct me if i'm wrong, this young man, no formal charges as of yet. do we know specifically what the purpose of this court appearance is? >> well, it's an initial court appearance and basically a custody hearing is what they're calling it, and this is where the defendant typically, in this case, they'll have the first interaction between the attorneys and the defendant with the judge. and it is expected that during this hearing, the prosecution will indicate to the judge that they would like to move forward and ask that this be moved to adult court. so whether or not a decision will be made from the bench, if this judge will rule now or rule later on that, but we do expect that the prosecution will, in the next hour and a half, ask that this young man, 17-year-old t.j. lane, be treated not as a

juvenile but as an adult. >> ted, i spoke yesterday with the student who was just about ten feet away from the shooter in the cafeteria, and he described the moment he pulled this gun out and how, in his words, said that this accused shooter appeared to target this table, as he described to me, the four upperclassmen just sitting there before he opened fire. does that corroborate with what you've been hearing as far as what happened? >> reporter: yeah, it absolutely does, brooke. in fact, some of the most detailed information we've gotten is from somebody who saw the surveillance tape. and there is surveillance there. i talked to the police chief and the sheriff. they both told me, yes, we have surveillance tape of the entire incident. this took place inside the school. and someone who has seen that from law enforcement has talked to the cleveland dealer and this account mirrors exactly what you're talking about the individual told you, and that is that the suspect came in, sat in

the cafeteria at his own table, pulled out a gun from a backpack and then made a beeline directly to this table where these four gentlemen were sitting and shot them basically at point blank range, and then left the cafeteria. now, we know that three of those four are now dead. >> ted, we're going to put this die gram up. this is from the cleveland plain dealer. they've done an excellent job with this. it basically shows where the gunman entered and those four inside the cafeteria. this was around 7:30 in the morning. this was study hall. the eyewitness mention aid stthy hall teacher, a teacher named frank hall who ultimately chased the student outside, and the big question here is why. there is a news conference at 4:30; is that correct? should that shed a little bit more light on that answer? >> well, we are going to hear

from the prosecutor for the first time at 4:30, so there could be some indication. what we also don't know is whether or not he's cooperating with law enforcement. how much do they know about what was going through this young man's head? hopefully we'll get some more answers. it's something the community here has obviously been asking, is why. why would this young man do this? >> ted rowlands, thank you so much there. we'll see this young man inside. cnn does indeed have a camera inside. we'll take that live. meantime, the family of the shooting suspect, t.j. lane, has expressed their condolences to these victims. they spoke with the family's attorney. >> this is something that could have never been predicted. t.j.'s family asks for some privacy as they try to understand how this tragedy could have occurred and while they mourn this terrible loss for their community. >> any idea why this happened? >> let me say this.

he's a very confused young man right now. he's very confused, he's very upset, he is very distraught himself. this is a very scary circumstance, and i don't think he could have possibly even foreseen himself in the middle of. >> reporter: how is his mind when you speak to him? how is he now? >> very upset, very scared and extremely remorseful. >> three young people have died, two are still in the hospital. much more on that story in the next couple of minutes. i do want to move along as today is primary day. in two different states, the race for the white house. 59 delegates in total up for grabs. we're going live in arizona next. i've always had that issue with the seeds getting under my denture. super poligrip free --

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stort all right, big story here, and i know this might have snuck up on a lot of folks, so i'll say it this way. candidate mitt romney could be in serious trouble today if he loses in his home state of michigan. mitt romney is trying for every last vote. the michigan primary just too close to call. here he is, mitt romney. >> i'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try to get support. i am who i am. i'm a person with extensive experience in the private sector, in the economy, i understand job creation from a personal standpoint and from a theoretical standpoint. i want to use those skills to help the country, and if i get selected, great, and if i don't, i can live with that, too.

>> we should mention, and i know you know this, he's also in the primary in arizona. because the stakes are so high in michigan, i want to begin our coverage there with cnn's dana bash. should romney actually lose to santorum in his home state, could he continue to claim, as he has thus far, that he is still the best republican? can he explain that? >> reporter: it will be very, very hard to say that with a straight face or even without a straight face. you cannot underscore how important today's primary here in the state of michigan is for mitt romney. just look at the latest poll. there is just one point difference between mitt romney and rick santorum. it's a statistical dead heat. you mentioned earlier it may have snuck up on people. it certainly didn't sneak up on the romney campaign. they have been fighting incredibly hard as they have seen his numbers sink here. it was a sure thing not too long ago, not anymore, and rick santorum is really giving it the fight of his life. you know what, brooke?

i have to say even if romney ekes it out just by a little bit, it will probably wound him in ways they never imagined in the romney headquarters. >> dana bash, i read your piece, you were talking about the issues in the primaries. they're going out of their way to be a little tough on romney, and santorum is kind of egging him on. >> santorum is egging him on in something that's unheard of in that rick santorum has done what's called a robocall, calling democratic voters in the state saying, please come vote for me. what is the reason? it is because this is an open primary. you see people voting here behind me. anyone can vote. it doesn't matter your party registration, you just have to come here and say, i want to vote in the republican primary. democrats across the state, strategists and specifically a radio talk show host who i spoke to earlier, they have been encouraging democrats to get out

and make mischief. get out and vote for rick santorum in order to hurt mitt romney. listen to this. >> why wouldn't i make a little political mischief? rick santorum is doing as well as he is doing here in the polls. we could actually take some serious delegates away from him. what that does, it doesn't -- >> take some serious delegates away from mitt romney. >> right. what that really does is that gives america a little bit more time to get to know these candidates. and don't for a minute tell me that we haven't learned more about all of them in the last six weeks than we knew six weeks ago. what more can we learn about them six weeks from now? >> reporter: now, that particular liberal radio host says that he doesn't think he's actually going to be able to stop mitt romney from ultimately getting the republican nomination, but they want to wound him, and other democratic strategists who i've spoken to, they say they're trying very hard. in fact, one in particular, brooke, said he did his own robo call and sent out more than

100,000 e-mails. and he's gotten 14,000 commitments, he says, from democratic voters that say they're going to come out today and vote for rick santorum. we ran into a couple of them at polling stations not too far from here. >> it's such a different story than what we've been hearing in previous primaries. now the democrats are doing this for santorum here. we'll see you later tonight, dana bash. we'll be watching. as we mentioned, we're going to talk arizona here as well. this is a winner take all state, there's 29 delegates. we have our primary reporter suzanne malveaux. suzanne, in terms of the enthusiasm level among republicans, how is it going? >> it's been six and a half hours since these voting centers have been opened, and i have to tell you it's not as high as they had hoped or would expect for a number of reasons. that's because, first of all, after the cnn gop debate about a

week ago, they all hightailed it out of here, went to places like michigan and those states that are more competitive. the second reason, however, is that romney is in the lead. they expect romney will do well fr a number of reasons. he's got the endorsement of the governor, jan brewer, as well as john mccain. the one person, brooke, he does not have the endorsement of that he did back in 2008, that is sheriff joe arpaio, maricopa county. he is a very controversial figure, he is a very powerful figure. we caught up with him at an art fair over the weekend. he's the guy, and you might see these pictures here signing the pink underwear -- he became famous for putting pink underwear and pink handcuffs on criminals to fight crime. took out coffee, salt and pepper in their diets, brooke, to save taxpayers $2500. that's the get tough guy sheriff here that most republican candidates have come to to get their endorsement and to get the

kiss of the ring. >> michelle bachmalchmanbachman cain. >> everybody has come to you. they want your support, they need your support. are you going to give it before the tuesday primary? >> no. >> no? >> not even a hint? >> no. >> reporter: all right, brooke, you can see he's kind of enjoying the attention there, playing it a little bit coy. originally he did endorse rick perry. he said he's the only guy of all of them who is actually doing something on getting tough on illegal immigration. since rick perry has dropped out, he hasn't really indicated which way he's going to go, but it could backfire on the candidate that does get his endorsement because the justice department has called him egregious when it comes to racially pro filing latinos. they say, look, we've been

stopped, we've been arrested, we've been searched for no due cause. so there definitely is a very controversial aspect of this, if you will, getting the sheriff's endorsement. brooke? >> and i think because of these issues, the democrats are hoping for an opening come november. i know traditionally, reliably a red state, we'll see if it stays that way. thank you, suzanne malveaux, in phoenix. we are one of the two organizations allowed inside the fukushima plant in japan. we go back to the most awful disaster in decades, after this break. [ wrapper coming off a vending machine waffle ]

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almost a year now after japan's catastrophic tsunami, we are finally getting a look inside the crippled fukushima power plant. >> a year after these reactors at the fukushima power plant exploded in a triple nuclear meltdown, reporters are reminded this is still one of the most hazardous places on the planet. we wore head to toe protective gear, full face res operatopira hazmat suits, and we walked into it. >> this is the heart of the nuclear plant of japan.

what you are seeingov over my shoulder are reactors. those are two of the reactors that exploded in this disaster. when you take a look at these reactors, you can see they have a long way to go. it's a year after this disaster, and you can see that the force of the explosion crippled those buildings. you can understand how so much radiation spews from this point when you're standing here. >> an army of 3,000 workers are now here daily in shifts, controlling the melted nuclear fuel and contained the spread of the radiation. inside the management building of the plant, a control center monitors their progress 24 hours a day. the highest risk we still see is if something goes wrong with the reactor, says plant marg ta-- manager takeshi takahashi. they say it won't be able to be

used for several years. it still remains untouched because of radiation concerns. these blue tanks and these larger gray ones hold water contaminated with radiation. tepco is continually challenges finding more space for the water. the days of the disaster are a constant concern. this woman used to give tours at the power plant. >> beforehand, i used to tell people the power plant was safe. i feel very sorry i ever said that. she also lived here, in tomayoka. she's now anie evacuee, uncertain when or if she can ever return home. a year later, she and 78,000 others are a legacy of this accident, paying the price when nuclear energy goes wrong. cnn, at the fukushima puck leer

plant. >> thank you. three kids now dead from that ohio school shooting, two other kids wounded, one community devastated. coming up next, we're going to speak to a radio gdeejay who wa on the air struggling to understand why. stay with us. they've been commd to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ a living, breathing intelligence that is helping business rethink how to do business. in here, inventory can be taught to learn. ♪ in here, machines have a voice... ♪

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i want to take you back to the story out of chardon, ohio. just in, the alleged school shooter, he is t.j. lane. he reportedly told authorities he stole the gun that he used yesterday morning in that high school cafeteria, stole the gun from his uncle. this is what a source tells our source, stole the gun from his uncle and that gun was later found inside the school. he allegedly had dropped the gun and that's when he ran and they eventually caught up with him. three students have died now, two others are still in the hospital injured. police there describe chardon as

this small, quiet town. mike rosano has been a radio deejay near cleveland for about 20 years. i heard the sheriff talk today about chardon as a tight-knit community, he went to school there, met his wife there. how are people handling this. >> you described it exactly to a tee. it's about 30, 35 miles outside of cleveland, and it's a small, quiet, country town removed from cleveland about 30 miles. but yesterday we were on for seven hours, and i remember talking earlier to your producer and she asked, how were the phone calls? i said, people were sad, they were mad, they were blaming the teachers, they were blaming the kid, they were blaming guns, they were blaming lack of discipline -- i think people, brooke, were just searching for answers and looking somehow, some way to sort of feel good

even though it's a horrific story, if you get my drift there, you know. >> right, and we have a camera inside this courthouse, this juvenile courthouse where he's going to make an appearance in just about an hour from now. they're going to hold a news conference. i understand the prosecutor is going to come out and speak. maybe that will shut out the why from all your callers. from all these calls you got for seven hours on the air yesterday, did anybody actually know t.j. lane, this suspected gunman? >> we have a texting program that comes right into the studio even though we're on radio. and we had all the information through texting prior to it breaking, and we weren't able to go with it because, you know, brooke, you get the same type of sources. we didn't know what was true and what wasn't true, but with today's technology and today's social media, we actually were finding out what happened and who it happened to and who did it before the authorities even

released names because of texting and twitter and social media. >> so tell me a little bit more as far as what you know, what exactly happened? it sounds like -- i talked to an eyewitness ten feet away from this young man in the cafeteria. it sounded like to him that he very much targeted the upperclassmen. >> the funny thing is he doesn't even go to chardon, he goes to a school called lake academy, but he goes to chardon to catch the bus to lake academy. these victims were sitting in the cafeteria, and he walked up behind them, and basically execution style shot him. a teacher there started to chase him down the hall. he fired shots at the teacher, and the teacher kept going after him, and he ran out of the school and about 45 minutes later surrendered to a couple of people. so it's one of the more bizarre stories that i've covered in my 25 years of radio. >> bizarre, tragic.

quick, final question. you haven't talked to this hero teacher yet, have you, mike? >> he does not want to talk right now, and i think legally he cannot talk, if you can understand that, and i don't know what he would really say other than, you know, if he did talk, it's not like he was patting himself on the back. the guy was a hero. i mean, he charged -- >> i think a lot of people would like to pat him on the back. >> you're not kidding. he charged a kid with a gun and he did not have one. he could have died also. it's an unbelievable story, brooke. >> we're thinking of you also, mike trivisonno. thank you very much. the question is why, and we hear everyone say -- talking politics now, so goes utah, iowa, new hampshire, insert your state here, so goes the country. this is what this guy is likely thinking. arizona's state chairman joins me live after this quick break.

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we spent a little time on the michigan primary, and we told you mitt romney really needs to win there today. it is his home state. if he cannot win there, it will do serious damage to his claim to be the most electable presidential candidate. so that is michigan.

i want to talk to arizona now. 29 delegates there at stake, and tom morrissey is the delegate republican chairman. he's kind enough to visit me from the beautiful city of phoenix, arizona. we've seen a whole lot of candidates pay attention to michigan, much more so than your state. how is the turnout in arizona today? >> well, my wife and i went early this morning to the polls, and it looked like it was pretty good. i haven't really had any numbers yet, brooke, but there's a lot of enthusiasm and a lot of interest and a lot of it has been generated by the debate last week. and so i think we're going to have a good turnout. >> so enthusiasm, you say. mitt romney, you know, talking to people in michigan, he's kind of having to sweat it out there. will he win in arizona, tom? >> hard to say. some days i think that may be true and others i think it may not be true, but the thing is, there seems to be a trend

towards governor romney here. you know, it's been a hard fought battle between all of the candidates, and it's really -- it's hard to -- it really is true, i am neutral in this thing, i want the best for all of the candidates. so to answer your question, i got to give you a big i don't know. >> well, you mentioned the battle, and i want to talk about the battle brewing within the republican party, because there is a lot of fear that the infighting can absolutely harm the candidates, but you say, from what i've read, tom morrissey, you say it's great. the infighting is great. why? >> you know, these campaigns, and i keep referring to this. it's probably not going to be new to you. i see the campaign as a muscle, and i see the debates and the discussion, and if you want to say infighting between them makes the muscles stronger on the part of each of them. and the way i see it, it's a

strengthening process that will, in the end, produce a really strong candidate for the republican party. i harken back to 2008 when there was infighting in the democrat party between hillary clinton and president obama, and ultimately president obama emerged a very strong candidate. i see that happening with us. i really feel that our candidate, our nominee is going to really be situated well to go into this campaign with president obama. >> well, tom morrissey, i hope you join us tonight, cnn. we could be up into the wee hours talking about your stat statstate, and michigan. coming up, we are seeing the prices of gas go up in this country. we blame everything, but what really influences gas prices? our chief correspondent ali

velshi. look at him staying up to talk to me. >> look am the mirrin the mirro. the reason gas prices are higher is because we buy a lot of it. oil has just settled again today so i haven't updated the numbers. these are magnetic numbers so i can change them. >> we're talking funny numbers. ali velshi is next.

ah, gas prices. yep, we're all feeling the squeeze these days, but what exactly are we paying for? what's keeping the gas prices so high? ali velshi breaks it down.

>> reporter: the price of a barrel of oil accounts for about three-quarters of a gallon of gas. so a significant move up or down in oil prices should, within days, be reflected in prices at gas pumps worldwide. u.s. crude has been getting more expensive, going from about $80 a barrel last october to about $110 a barrel now. that's an increase of 40% in just five months. but what americans may be seeing at the pump right now is gasoline catching up with the price of oil. gas prices are actually up only 9% since october, from $3.40 a gallon then to $3.70 a gallon now. if they had really tracked the price of oil, gasoline would be selling at a national average of $4.76 a gallon. but prices are higher, and absent a clear and obvious culprit, americans and their politicians in this election year are pointing fingers. legendary oil investor t. boon

picken says blaming spectators is a tired old saw. >> that's what politicians will say, the speculators are doing it. anyone who comes out with that is a first reason and they can't give you any more to talk about than speculators, they don't know what they're talking about. >> reporter: picken says the increase of global ghand ademan just pot terrible loss of the 2 billion barrels a day that they supply the world has got them worried. iran has threatened to close the straight of hormuz, just 20 miles wide at its narrowest point, 25% of the oil passes through there. still, companies like airlines which actually use oil, speculate on it to protect their businesses and hedge against price spikes. others, investors who will never need the oil, invest just for

profit. between the tension around iran and increased global demand for oil, the profiteers are betting there's no way the oil prices will drop. but are they actually driving the prices higher themselves? >> there isn't anyone running the market on a speculative basis. the market is moving up because oil supplies are tight globally. from there you can goose it up a little bit, but not much. >> reporter: there may be another reason for the sudden gas price spike. u.s. oil production is up but gasoline consumption is down, leaving the u.s. with more gas than it needs. so instead of excess gasoline driving prices down -- >> in the last six months, we were actually exporting gasoline. the total drop in supplies of gasoline available to consumers in the u.s. is down about 1 and a half billion barrels a day. >> okay, i'm going to have to

cut you off. >> reporter: you have to cut me off or i'll just keep talking. in fact, i kept talking all throughout the commercial break. >> i want to bring up your mirror. i know the point will be look at yourself in the mirror because we're the ones that want the gas and oil. >> first of all, my mirror and better than your mirror. and secondly, there's consumer demand. that's part of the issue. if we didn't all use gas as much as we did, gas would be cheaper. people get a little mad at me -- in my story i said if gas had tracked the price of oil since last october, oil is up 40% since last october, to $108.20. 108 is nowhere near the high for oil, the high for oil is 80-plus. so their argument is when oil was that expensive, gas wasn't even that expensive. so while the two track each other, they're not perfectly matched. there is a different set of demands for oil worldwide, which is used for all sorts of things, and gasoline which is used for

cars and trucks in america, and that's part of the issue. demand for gasoline still does have an impact on what the price is. >> so what do we do? do we just have to deal? people don't like hearing that. >> individually, we can't do anything, we can't really effect global demand. the chinese use a lot of oil, the indians do, the brazilians do, and now they're upset to find we're taking refined oil to other countries. the only control you have over this as an individual is conservation, and we have seen since the recession that actually happening. people are conserving, they're buying smaller cars. the car makers have responded by giving you a better selection of small, fuel-efficient cars and making trucks and suvs and crossovers into hybrids or a more efficient model. the only thing you can do is control consumption.

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here's three words that describe the 1980s: greed is good. the actor who made that phrase famous is turning from on-screen corporate raider to crusader. watch this. >> for lack of a better word is good. greed is right. greed works. our economy is increasingly dependent on the success and integrity of the financial markets. if a deal looks too good to be true, it probably is. >> michael douglas playing gordon gekko now work forg the fbi, sort of, in a public service announcement. he is warning wall street movers and shakers, not so fast. don't get into insider trading. alison kosik, right there at wall street. how is this supposed to help the fbi in terms of cracking insider