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>> and why he compares the gop field to the three stooges. >> i was thinking ron paul is sort of a shimp. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." last time ricky gervais was he he had just broadly offended pretty much every show in hollywood. he is here again just about right after offending everyone at the golden globes. >> they took it better this time. they had a year to get used to it. the second time they are like they are jokes. >> is that dispointing? >> i don't think i said anything that bad the first time. and then there are jokes. i would rather people gasp.

i cherish the gasps. >> sir elton didn't seem massively enthusiastic. >> he had a grumpy look on his face. at least he can use expressions. most of them are too botoxed up you can't tell if they have a smile. i made a decision there are 200 million watching at home. you want everyone to enjoy it. it is not a spectators sport. i tried to make it one. i really enjoyed it. i thought they were a lot lighter. >> i tweeted on the night and showed a picture how joyous you would have felt the moment you first heard jodie foster and mel gibson were making a movie called "beaver."

>> too easy. >> knocking it out of the park. i think you are single handedly changing the way all americans feel about awards ceremonies. when i first came out here they were the most sickening imaginable. four or five hours of people telling you how wonderful they are. you have pricked that balloon so spectacularly. that's why you are this national treasure. >> i think it's fine if they want a mutual back slapping session. don't televise it. there is nothing for people at home. i have nothing against those people. i work with them and admire them. this was gentle whipping. they were gags. and also it shows how badly the so-called offended stars took it. johnny depp in the new series. they were cool about it. the same as everything.

it's always people offended on someone else's behalf. >> do you have a moral code yourself? >> of course, i do. >> how would you define it? >> you can't because it is not set from a set menu. >> how do you test yourself? what is your litmus test? >> you can't. i have to sleep at night. this is the thing about offense. it's not right or wrong. it's about feelings and feelings are personal. so i did a standup tour here and on my jokes ironnicly i play a character about third world famine and cancer and the holocaust, aids. some people when they hear any taboo subject they mistake the target of the joke with the subject of the joke.

you can make a joke about race without being racist. the reason i don't like actual racist jokes is not because they are offensive because they are not funny because they are based on falsehood. there has to be truth and honesty in comedy. people think it is terrible. i did this gig with those subjects and got a letter from someone saying i enjoyed the gig and laughing all the way through except didn't appreciate the jokes about holocaust. they knew jokes were jokes that was too much for them. that's the problem with personal feelings. you can't turn it off and be objective. >> some people would say things like the holocaust should never be a subject for any humor. >> it depends what it joke is. there is nothing you shouldn't joke about but it depends what the joke is. you can tell a right on joke

about the holocaust like you can about anything. it comes from a good or bad place. you have to know what you are doing. i like the gasping and then people realizing it is okay. no bad at all can come from discussing taboo subjects. it's where it comes from and how it is discussed. and i think that i have always done it. things like in the office it was clear because it was a character when david went over and the only black guy and i love sydney portier. people knew he was okay. when he was talking about the one in the wheelchair saying there should be tests. they know we are laughing at his attitudes. when it is in your own name they get confused. clever people know there isire skpaen where the satire is.

the more you dumb it down, the more you wink you lose the satire. i don't apologize for people not getting it. if anyone gets it it is gettable. there is always someone offended by what you say. many people are offended because you exist, particularly you. i have read the forums. >> for a very long time you would never have imagined being in hollywood and now you are bona fide a superstar. what is the reality of hollywood access? >> i don't know about that. i'm in my pajamas by 6:00 after i have worked out. i like a glass of wine. i don't really mix in those circles. the people i know in hollywood are usually directors and show runners and producers. i came to this business when i was nearly 40.

i'm 50 now. >> is that the trick? is it to not be famous too early? >> i think so and that wasn't intentional. i didn't say i'm going to be famous when i'm 38. i was never trying to be fame skps i feared it. >> is it easier to be older and become famous? >> i believe so because i think it was oprah who said if you don't know who you are by the time you become famous it will define you. and i think these things -- i'm in it for the work. i love the work. everyone knows that we get paid very well. nice reviews are good. awards are great. it's the work. it's the i can't believe i have an idea and i can start writing an idea and it will get made. >> i can't believe the way you look because we all fell in love in britain with fat, chubby,

rickey. >> i was not fat. >> you were pretty fat. and you drank a lot of beer. >> you didn't tell me that. >> you should have said it then. i would have worked out faster. i had to find out myself. another pair have shrunk. >> you were a standard bearer for the bigger guy. >> i still do that. >> how much weight have you lost? >> not much at all. i think about 25 pounds. >> that's quite a lot. >> only by working out. i still eat too much and drink too much. the next day i punish myself in the gym and then i feel great. it makes you genuinely feel better. >> even your teeth look gleaming. >> i got those things in the luxury lounge once. i thought they made me gag.

>> what made you? >> i'm fat and disgusting and didn't clean my teeth. i had a few pounds. the beard is out. >> what made you go on this vanity kick? >> it was a health kick. the truth was it was christmas. i was 48 and i had 11 sausages. and i sat there feeling ill. the number times i said i'm having a heart attack. and i thought life is good and i don't want to blow it. i don't want to go. >> wasn't just me because this dashing feature in men's health magazine, the feature we never thought we would see of you, it says how ricky gervais totally lost it.

he went from barely employed chubby loser to bad as comedic. his next act losing the gut. >> that's good news. i'm glad i loved this long to get to comedic. otherwise it would just be death of a fat useless chubby juicer who never cleans his teeth and stinks. ricky gervais died today at the age of 48 through sausages. death by sausage. that's a prison term. >> do you get more groupies now? >> never got groupies. i have been with my girlfriend for 30 years. >> does she refer to you as a chubby loser? she has been with both. >> i think she loved me for both. when she met me i wasn't a chubby loser. i used to do judo, karate, every

day. i was so fit. and then i hit 30 and got a job and went to the bar afterwards. and that's what does it. it is so easy and gradual. i got heavier and heavier. i'd say through my 30s and 40s. when did that happen? i think that would never happen to me. it's so easy. it's easy to lose it, as well. i haven't given anything up which i prefer. i couldn't diet. i can't give up my cheese and wine. i can luckily because i'm self employed and i have my gym, i have no excuse. let's take a break and come back and talk about twitter because you love twitter as much as i do and i like your work. this is an rc robotic claw.

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history of television. i love this show. >> i wouldn't call it the funniest. >> this show is hilarious. >> "seinfeld" funny show. >> ricky gervais on "curb your enthusiasm," a classic. >> i have been lucky with the things i have been asked to do. that was an absolute joy. it made me realize why people come and do extras with me. when you apply a twisted version of yourself you find out that

the worst you make yourself it can't be that bad and you really go for it to make it obvious. >> let's talk about twitter because you came late to the game. you love twitter. why do you like it so much? >> i like it for lots of reasons. i like it because it's the whole of humanity in your pocket. it's the best and worst of the world on twitter. there are brilliant people out there and some people that shouldn't be allowed sharp objects and i treasure them both. >> you are talking about sharp objects and you tweeted this picture of yourself to say on my way to piers morgan. i think i'll fit in well. what were you getting at? you would fit in well looking like that? >> i thought i looked intellectual there and cnn is the home of intellectuals. i was hoping i would have a go. >> you get very intense on

twitter. you get into proper battles with people. >> at home i'm smiling. when someone is arguing with me i'm 5,000 years old. of course, i'm smiling. the creation here is rather like an episode of the flint stones. i have to laugh. >> how does your atheism that you are passionate about, how does that play with your american audience given so many people in america are god fearing people and probably take exception to it? >> they shouldn't. why should they? tell me the reasons you don't believe in the other gods and that's the reason i don't believe in yours. i have nothing against people believing in god at all. in fact, if it did make you a kind of person then great but

there's the rub. it's when i see some of these religious fundamentalists saying they told their five-year-old children if they turn out gay they will burn in hell, that to me is child abuse. that's why i'm passionate. >> what do you think of the republican nomination race given some of the candidates clearly position themselves quite deliberately to say antigay marriage. >> just because they are offended by someone being gay doesn't mean they are right. it's a strange thing that being gay is a choice. being gay isn't a choice. i want to go you try at it. if it is a choice have a go and see how much you like it. come to america and be the personification of the classic dream that they take anybody

from anywhere and you make it here. i came fat with terrible teeth. >> you were a chubby loser. >> he's huddled. america's fantastic. it's the land of opportunity. and there's bits of both cultures that i love and hate. and the wonderful thing about being between england and america, they are boepth land of freedom and criticize them all you want but know you are in a place that allows you to criticize it and that is luck skpy and great. freedom of speech to me is one of the most important things discovered. i would fight for the right. even though i don't believe in god and i don't -- unlike most religions i treat all religions the same, i think they are all wrong, not morally wrong but i

don't think there would be a god, but if someone said we are bang religion i would march to not have it banned because it is your right to believe what you want and your right to be wrong and i will fight for that right. i want to play what steve carell said about you. >> can i have it censored? >> he has strong views. ok, guys-- what's next ?

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i'm piers morgan and do be fooled by my british accent because it is all i've got. joining me first is the woman in the center of the controversy, mia. >> that was my eager lay waited debut on saturday night live. i thought that access was shocking. >> i'm glad he said who he was doing. it was well done. >> you have been humiliated. >> it is very flattering. i think you are probably fine. because we are british we see the differences but to america

that might sound spot on. >> we don't do that. at least the things that aren't that bad. >> should we play what steve carell played about you? i enjoy the fact that you are slightly uncomfortable. >> he wouldn't say anything bad about me. >> could you do what rickey does? >> not in a million years. i think i would get too skiddish. >> you can play a ricky gervais character. >> perhaps but you go in front of people. i don't think -- it doesn't mean i'm a better person, it means i don't have that kind of guts. he always makes fun of me, always. he is also in a personal way very sweet to me. before one of the awards shows he pulled me aside and said i

have a few things i want to go after you with, is it okay. there is a gentler side to him that people don't necessarily see. >> you are all heart. >> he is such a lovely man. >> he thinks you are sweet because you go up to him before an award and say i'm going to call you a [ bleep ] in a minute. >> i don't want to talk bad. i have nothing against people. >> you like steve carell? >> he's great. he's fantastic. he is not really brilliant but he is one of the nicest people in hollywood. i have nothing -- >> he has a great interview. he is one of the heads that is just funny. >> he's good because he is nearly handsome. he's -- it's like bob hope.

he is chissaled and great but he has beady eyes. he is good. and that was a compliment, by the way. he is very handsomely. he is comedically handsome. he is not imposing. he is not bland. what am i? chopped liver? >> let's talk about love. how many times have you been properly in love in your life? >> what, with romantic? >> i'm assuming women. >> i meant as opposed to family and kittens. >> i'd say this one. >> you have been with the same woman 30 years. she is a lovely, smart attractive. >> here we go. >> long suffering woman. why haven't you married her yet? >> well, we are really. >> and yet you are not. >> we share everything.

>> will you ever? >> never say never. there is no reason other than there is no point. we just -- there's no point. we don't want our families to meet. that's the thing. >> how do you show your romantic side? >> i don't know. is there a definition? i am romantic. i think i'm very romantic. the fact that we have been together for 30 years. we are soul mates. no one knows as much about me. no one loves me as much and that is mutual. i don't think you get more romantic than that. i think buying someone a card once a year is irrelevant.

that is not romance. it's nothing. we like each other's company. we don't like anyone better. >> you have had this amazing career path, amazing in many ways. if i was to have the power to relive for you one moment, this is not personal, be professional really, a moment in your life, what would it be? >> there are loads of things whizzing through my head all from childhood. i remembered one, my brothers and sisters are a lot older than me. the next is 11 and then 13 and 15. i was 12 and eating corn flakes. i said why are my brothers so much older than me and she said because you are a mistake. i just laughed. little things like that that -- >> those little magical moments.

>> so sweet. i remember when i went to -- i was good at school with sciences. i went to college to do biology . after a couple of weeks i changed to philosophy. i came home from christmas and mom put me on biology . i said it doesn't matter because i'm going to be a pop star. sheent, pop star is another word for junky. i said mick jagger bought his mom a house in wales. >> it is a great joy to watch you in action. >> cheers, man. >> thanks. ricky gervais. there's only one ricky gervais. >> thank god. if there was a pill to help protect your eye health as you age... would you take it?

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hollywood doesn't exactly celebrate people behind the scenes very often with the possible exception of my guest tonight. your favorite actors from "friends" "seinfeld" and brought a friend with him who is apparently in comedy in some vague way, steve, isn't it?

>> steve. >> let's focus on you because we all agree you are a comic institution. tell me about being a comic institution. >> i should be in an institution. >> you appeared how many times on johnny carson? >> about 140 times. >> that has to be a record. >> bob hope was the most. i was the second most. people used to drop out of the tonight show. i always found it amazing that someone had something more important to do. >> you never did. you were always available. >> i was there all the time. i ium-thf the other go-to person was bob new heart. one day i said i'm so flattered we got to do this so much. he said i talked to johnny and he said he loved it because we

would bond all the time and he enjoyed it. >> made him look good. >> that's why i invited you both today obviously. you guys have collaborated on this new documentary series. what was the idea? >> well, charlie, my partners had this idea to kind of trace comedy in terms of generations and how it cross pollinates and look to people's inspirations. it was too big an idea for a movie. so we very rapidly realized that this had to be a series. >> we actually shot a lot of it as a movie. >> and you got incredible net. it is like a role call of superstar comedians.

is it like a definitive history of comedy? >> i don't know if it is a definitive history of comedy. >> what makes people laugh? >> it is unique in the way that comedians talk about what they do. something about it is totally unique. there is no audience. there is no pressure. they are not on but they are funny. >> let's take a little watch. >> i have 28 on tape different stories that never happened. >> i remember my mom would make me feel good about my size. she would say he is a large boy but it is all art. when he came out of me. >> amazing. >> it is a brilliant lineup. i'm laughing. this is going to be a huge success for this thing.

what is the definition of comedy? is there one? when you all get together it's so subjective. >> what is funny to one person is not at all to someone else. i sort of refrain from saying something is funny or not funny because i don't find it funny doesn't mean a multitude of people don't find it. >> are you a funny person? >> as of evidence by this interview, no. clearly not. i don't light up a room. i'm not the type of person to hold court. i was never a standup so i'm not proficient at that at all. i enjoy comedy. i enjoy laughing. >> i want to play something to embarrass you. lisa kudrow. >> name one person everybody finds funny. >> steve carell. >> that's true. i never heard of anyone that

doesn't find steve carell funny. >> i challenged her thinking there wasn't an answer. she came up with two. tina fey. it's all about you. tina fey, oh. she can write a book. she can executive produce her on show but not so good. that's really, really kind. i think it is a matter of personal taste. our own influences growing up i had people like from peter zellers to steve martin to jack lemmon. it was all over the map. >> it wasn't your great burng ambition as a kid. you were going to be a lawyer. what was the moment for you when the lights came on and you thought i'm going to be a comedian? it always seemed like a horrible soulless profession having to make people laugh. >> it was when i started getting

paid to do it. if i can make money as an actor that was my goal. the fact that i just over time realized that i was making more money being a comedic actor than a dramatic actor. that's what it was for me. >> do you feel a pressure to always be on? we were talking about this earlier. when you go out and people meet you, when they meet me they will say what was steve carell like? there must be a pressure to be hilarious. >> i set the bar low. going on a talk show i see comedians going on and just swinging for the fences in terms of their bits and what they're doing. i early on decided i'm going to be congenial but i'm not going to try to do more than that and if it is funny -- >> when we come back i want to talk to you about the

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oh, my god. >> that was "crazy, stupid love" one of the favorite movies of the year. let's talk about the comedic value of the presidential race and the republican race in particular. fantastically funny moments. do you thank god every day that these happen? >> this is a gift from god for comedians, the likes of which we have never seen. it is a ship of fools that is just unbelievable. i used to have a theory that i took almost through all the presidencies and it was that you are either a moe in charge or a larry who wants to be a moe or you're curly who is nuts and totally just off the page.

this is all curlies. >> it is a little bit like that. >> there is no moe and larry here. >> almost everybody has huge comic potential. >> i was thinking ron paul is sort of a shimp, i mean physically. >> that's fair. >> when i was on "the daily show" with my wife we were so thankful that anything that wed happen. there were researchers that is all they would do is watch for those tidbits and they would cut them and throw them in there. the writers were fantastic. >> when you watch these debates where they go at each other i think the philosophy that you

get from them is that character is overrated. they don't care about character in any way shape or form. it's gone. so i think it's been overrated through the years. some of the best presidents their character wasn't great. republicans are in the sweet spot of having no character. >> character only matters when someone else is lacking in character. >> yes. they can be devoid of character and go after them for that. you have made this great series of comedy. if i can trap you both on a desert island separately and you can have one comedian with you to make you laugh for the rest of your days who would you take? >> i would take allen because he makes one to one he makes me laugh more than anyone i have met. he is so dry and so aservic, i

love being around the man. >> who would you take? >> i would probably belcher. i might take marty short. groucho was so funny. >> you came to this late in terms of acclaim and everything else. if you are honest did you prefer life before when you were more anonymous or have you actually embraced the fame thing? >> it's much, much better to be rich and famous. >> i love the honesty. >> but my life hasn't changed that much. i certainly have more money than i did but my home life, my family life, all of that really has stayed the same. >> are you resolutely normal? you still go to the mall and movie theaters. you like to do your job and go

home. you're batting way above your strength with your wife. >> absolutely. >> everyone is in agreement with this. >> i don't dispute that in any way. it's interesting because this all did happen later in life for me and i think i had my ducks in a row at that point and i had figured things out for the most part in terms of my goals and wants and dreams and what was giving me happiness ultimately. i think if it happened early in life i don't know if it would have been the same story. i like to think it might have been but you never know. >> a little tougher to deal with. let's take a break and come back and talk about "the office." because i know ricky gervais well. i want to know what you think about him and leaving the show. of identity thieves "enough." we're lifelock, and we believe you have the right to live free from the fear of identity theft.

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you will be thin. you won't drool over pizza like an animal anymore. you will find love. >> i'm pretty much okay with who i am now. >> don't be. you should never settle for who you are. >> classic steve carell from his office fairwell. "the office" began with ricky

gervais. he was more empathetic, your character, you wanted to create someone who could run for the seven series. tell me about that. >> he knew the run would be limited and he could play this guy that was just insufferable and truly a terrible person. >> no redeeming features. >> i did feel that ultimately -- because television people are inviting them into your home every week. they are inviting these characterinis into their living rooms. so they don't want complete jerks into their living rooms. you had to see a bit more human. >> has there been a wrench leaving? i know you have been e-mailing your colleagues. weird thing when you lose the

star of the show. >> it is strange. i miss my relationships there. i just saw everybody at the screen actor guild awards for the first time in a while. >> do you miss the character? >> no. i felt like it was the right time for me to leave the character. >> what do you think of the whole ricky gervais golden globes coming out and offending hollywood. would you do what rickey does? >> not in a million years. i think i would get too skiddish. >> you can play a ricky gervais character. >> perhaps but i don't think i -- it doesn't mean that i'm a better person but i don't have that kind of guts. he always makes fun of me, always. and he's also in a personal way very sweet to me. before one of the awards shows he pulled me aside and said i

have a few things i want to go after you with, is it okay. there is a gentler side to him. >> he warns you before he annihilates you. >> for me, yeah. i take it as a badge of honor. >> you have seven movies. >> and i'm writing a symphony and i have a cooking show. >> did you ever imagine you would be in hollywood in your smart power suit in the middle of a seven movie extravaganza earning you potentially a billion dollars. >> within the year i will be a billionaire. >> pinch yourself a bit. >> i'm always pinching myself. i'm going to grow another arm. >> most comedians are tormented by terrible things that happen to them and that brings about the comedy. that is the motivation. it is a great point about you that says the most wounded thing

about you is that you are not wounded. do you concur with that? do you feel like you have imagined to avoid the normal comedic hell? >> i don't think it is necessarily true that you have to be a wounded soul in order -- >> for standup comedy if you have had a great childhood and a happy marriage and enough money, you are going to make a lousy standup. >> it's absolutely true. you need to have had cigarettes burned on you for years to make an audience laugh. that is the sick society we live in. >> what does that say about us? >> we are sick people. >> most people will laugh at other people's misfortunes. >> i read a woody allen quote thise morning in the paper. if it bends it is comedy.

if it breaks it is not. if it is painful but still within the realm of being okay it can be funny. >> tell me more about inside comedy. i love the premise of the show and the fact you have access to these greats. >> he talks about the oscars and opening for sami davis jr. brad garret talks about opening for sinatra. marty short jerry louis. >> did you enjoy making this thing together? >> i think david is the best interviewer because he puts people at ease. >> rewind there. >> for comedy. >> only because you have all of these people who do t