tonight a rising star who has it all, bright career, superstar, nick canon is fighting a serious illness. >> lupus. >> sounds like a rapper. >> life with mariah carey. >> she is amazing. >> and a loss of a family friend, whitney houston. >> mariah took it hard. >> plus controversial pastor, mark drisyoll.

and you know there is an emmy winning talk show host but mon tell williams is as passionate about politics. >> i don't know why people think we have to be against each other. >> and keeping america great. >> something called land of the free, we all agree that we are the same. this is "piers morgan tonight." tonight the big story nick canon speaking out about the fight for his life. the host of america's got talent nick is married to mariah carey and you're alive. >> you just turned my daughter into a boy. >> i keep forgetting that. >> you got them gifts. you were at the baby shower. >> my humble apologies. i have a daughter.

>> it was a rough start at the beginning of the year. i'm turning it all into a positive. >> when i worked with you on "america's got talent" you were superfit. you used to boast to me. you flexed the guns. what went wrong? >> there were a few things. i feel like the thing that kind of brought it to a head was i was overworking myself, working out too much and trying to work through a cold at the time while i was in aspen with the family. i think that kind of -- my body went into overload. i was already on a bunch of protein, working out and all of that. and it just kind of created this pain that i could not deal with in my back. and i kind of had a feeling that it was my kidneys. people said maybe it is kidney stones or dehydration.

they found i had kidney failure. it took a few months but through a bunch of tests and studies they found out that i have lupus nephritis which is an autoimmune disease that attacks. it is a rare case but it is attacking only my kidneys. >> only you would have a cool named disease. lupus nephritis. it sounds like a rapper. >> you're funny today. >> joking apart, i mean, i have known you a while and i know from people that know you it was pretty serious. some doctors felt it could be very, very serious. >> not only is lupus nephritis very serious but the things it can bring on, one of the biggest things they are saying is i was more prone to getting blood clots.

i was trying to do everything to prevent that. i was wearing surgical stockings and on a blood thinner. after i hosted the preshow for the super bowl i started to get pain again. this time it was a little higher. and there was fluid around my lungs and i had two blood clots in my lungs and an enlarged heart. there was a lot that happened because my kidneys weren't functioning right. i try to be optimistic the entire time. everyone else around me obviously was like this is life threatening. i never got to the stage that this is it but i knew the suseverity of the situations. i'm a glass is half full type of guy. i never got to that place.

>> the positive glass half full is thinking maybe i can get back to "america's got talent" as a host. >> i'm here to tell you you need to slow down, too. >> i flew around a lot with you on the show. you used to make me exhausted listening to you talk about your schedule. you have this crazy, crazy schedule. you would survive on two hours of sleep. >> i have been ordered to get at least six hours of sleep. the doctor says you have to lay down for six hours not only for my condition but because you can get swelling. i have to be horizontal for at least six hours. they made me quit my morning radio show which i wasn't excited about. i love doing it. on the east coast i was up at 4:00 a.m. to do a five hour

show. >> you made a documentary about this, some footage. i want to play some of this. >> the whole process i have been documenting. >> during this incredible health hustle. >>morally health problems. >> somedays you have good days. some days are bad days. it's tough on the bad days. >> doctors found two blood clots. >> nothing to play with. >> so, yeah, i'm directing that. i put that together. i have just been since probably my first time out of the hospital in january i have been having cameras on, real intimate and raw. >> why have you wanted to do that? >> for many reasons. one to show people dealing with these illnesses that they are not alone. a lot of people see me talking to piers morgan and different shows and they don't get to see

how it is affecting me. there are so many questions. how did you get this? you are going to see this on my website. i call it the incredible health hustle. >> 26 million americans have some kind of chronic disease. >> one out of nine adults are dealing with it in some type of way. people don't know they have it. that's kind of what world kidney day and this month is kidney month. they are trying to get the message to get tested. it can come from high blood pressure. it can be hereditary. it disguises itself as fatigue. people who can get tired all the time can think i'm tire skpd need to sleep. those are the beginning stages. >> how about your lovely wife? >> she is amazing. doctor carey as i call her. she has been taking care of me

and our kids. we feel like we have been in hospitals for like almost two years when you think about everything she went through being pregnant with twins. it was a difficult pregnancy for her. and then right after that top of this year i'm in the hospital, as well. she is such a pro. she knows the home remedies, when i'm supposed to take my medicine. >> is she pleased or not pleased that you are horizontal for six hours or more? >> she is pleased because we are horizontal next to each other. it is nice to spend more time at home. that's what it is all about. family is first. i get to wake up in the morning and feed the kids with my wife where before i would be at the radio station. this is better. >> whitney houston died a few weeks ago. i covered the funeral for cnn.

you tweeted tell our loved ones how great they are while they are here. wish i could tell whitney one more time. >> when we found the news out i was in the hospital. we were watching cnn in my hospital bed. mariah took it extremely hard because not only was that someone who was her peer but also a close friend. just to be able -- i know what she was dealing with and how people started to let her know how special she was and how to keep her head up, everybody needs to hear that. we need to send the flowers while the people can still smell them. >> very true. >> absolutely. >> has this experience made you reevaluate your life? >> absolutely. 100%. i wouldn't say it put me on a

ticking clock because i never want to think like that but you want to spend each day making sure it counts. you know what i mean? like not wasting any time but not letting negativity and things that are trivial get in the way. i want to focus on the right thing and educating people about their health so when i'm not here there is a legacy of more than he was a funny guy. i want to leave this world a better place. >> i don't want to upset you anymore. how is "america's got talent" without me? >> it is a quite different show. that's all i'm going to say. there's a few people who miss you. and i'm one of them. i'm not going to lie. we had such an amazing report and banter back and forth. it is different with howard stern.

the audience is different. all these people screaming but it's fun. to see what he is going to do, he is filling his shoes quite well. he references you quite a bit. he says you are a great judge. he is a fan of yours. >> any other compliments? >> that's it. >> it's a pleasure to see you. i'm glad you are back on track because i was worried about you. >> you text me and call me. one of the few people who were concerned. >> good to see you back on track. coming up what would jesus do? mark driscoll on marriage.

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he's one of the most polarizing spiritual leaders in the country. his new book "real marriage". the truth about sex, friendship and life together. and welcome, pastor. you're the first who has ever come clutching a bible. >> i brought it as a gift. from one irish catholic boy to another, i brought you a bible as a gift. >> thank you. i will value this. >> i know you get a lot of christian guests. >> not even kirk cameron brought me a bible. your book managed to achieve the impossible. absolutely everybody has gone potty right and left. the right is way too graphic and explicit, and then on the left. who is this guy? saying that women have to be submissive, succumb to their man's advances whenever he wants them, all of that. >> i don't know if i said that. >> you did say that. >> well, we'll get there. >> what was the idea behind that? >> as a pastor, i answer a lot

of questions, i do a lot of counseling and finally writing down a lot of things that we have been teaching, my wife and i, grace. as well as a lot of our own story, mistakes we have made and -- >> there's a lot of sex in this book. >> the first half of the book is on marriage and friendship. you move quite quickly from friendship into sex. unusually for a man of cloth, you're keen on it. >> if you're married, you should enjoy one another. you never had sex before marriage? >> i had sex until i became a christian. i became a christian at age 19. i'm not trying to throw stones at people or pretend that i've done it all right. i was sexually active and i became a christian, and reading the bible, i realized i shouldn't be sexually active and so i stopped. and i have been faithful to my wife now for 20 years by god's grace.

>> your wife grace, you have this dream after you get married in which you -- >> i have weird dreams, sometimes i see stuff, supernatural stuff. >> tell me about this particular dream. >> it was something that had happened when we were first dating and she was only 17 years of age. i found out some things later in the marriage like my wife had been sexually assaulted. we hadn't put together those details. i don't think it is uncommon when you get marries -- sometimes when you're married for a few years, some pieces come together. chose were hard points in our marriage. >> you had a dream where specifically you could envision her making out and you confronted her having after the dream did this happen earlier in her life, and she said it did, you said if you had known that you wouldn't have married her. why is it okay for you and not okay for her?

>> i think i was selfish. >> this is where we're going to get to jesus, he died, he rose, he forgives me and he helps me and i hope to keep changing and doing better. >> but for people watching this, younger people, for example, well, it's a all right for you. you had all this sex until you were 19. >> it wasn't a lot of sex. >> so you were born again. you sort of sewed your wild oats and you become a born again virgin. but for them, you're trying to punish them. they can't have anything. >> ultimately sex is best reserved for marriage and if you look at the statistics of sexual assault, sexual abuse, sexually transmitted diseases, a lot of people that are suffering -- >> a lot of sexual abuse in marriages. >> 10% to 15%. >> a lot of unhappy marriages. 1 in 3 ends in divorce. >> depends on how you cut the statistics. >> well, you wouldn't contest that? >> marriage is in a rough state. >> and the main theme of keeping a marriage alive is lots of sex. >> friendship, that's the big idea. >> and lots of sex. >> friendship is really the foundation.

>> but this book is full, and i don't want to go on about it, but it is full of sex. >> it talks about pornography and and sexual assault. and the detriment. it talks about sexual assault. so the talk isn't just about how to do cirque du soleil. >> you said that women should play a more submissive role in the sense that if the man wants to have sex at any time. >> i don't believe that. >> you say that. >> what we say is a couple should serve one another in the context of friendship and that means sometimes he serves her, and sometimes she serves him. that's really the context of the friendship in and out of the bedroom. i don't mean that a man should be boorish or bully or boss his wife and if he gives an order, she's supposed to go ahead and do that. because that's very abusive. >> do you believe a woman's place is in the home looking after the children? >> i think it depends on the woman, it depends on the family. there's a lot of circumstances. with unemployment the way that it is and all the different

variables, i'm a pastor, i have a church that i lead. and when you're dealing with people, there's a lot of complex variables. for us. we are blessed. we have five kids, and grace is able to stay home with them and that's what she wants to do. and i'm very grateful for that, but we know for all families, that's not always possible. >> many catholics don't agree with contraception. what's your position on that? >> i hold a more protestant position that contraception isn't always sinful. though i love and appreciate catholics and i was catholic for many year, i wouldn't hold that position. >> a critic would say, again, you changed your position because you realized that you couldn't have contraception as a catholic. so you drifted to -- >> i couldn't get married as a catholic. that was more of an issue. >> but yeah, should you be so bendy with your religious positions? >> well, for me, honestly it goes back to the bible and i'm trying to look at biblical principles and be faithful to the scriptures. i couldn't have become a priest

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the canadian nudist arsonist cult has decided that the name jesus christ is code word for getting high on mushrooms so then you can get naked and set things on fire. i guess if you're going to join a cult, join a fun one. pastor mark driscoll with me now. >> i mean, you're not your average pastor, are you? >> i have fun. sometimes i get it wrong. >> do too many people in the world of religion take it too seriously? is that part of the problem? >> i think we should take jesus seriously, we should take the bible seriously, we shouldn't take ourselves so seriously. >> are you a tolerant guy? >> i love people very much. >> it is the same thing. >> how do you disagree sometimes with people that you love. that's a very difficult issue for everybody, but for a pastor

in particular. >> because you reach tolerance? >> i believe we should love our neighbor. >> you keep hammering it. what do you mean by tolerance? >> tolerating people that may have a lifestyle or a belief that we don't agree with? >> you have to. because when jesus says love your neighbor, he knows you're not going to agree with all your neighbors, but he wants you to love them. seek good for them, care for them. >> what did you think of the kirk cameron scandal as it's become. 15 minutes here, he sat here espousing what he thought were perfectly normal christian views but he did it in a way that people saw was very bigoted towards gays. what did you think of that? >> to be honest with you i haven't seen the whole thing. i saw some of the twitter and blogging and stuff. that's not the best snapshot of the full context of the conversation.

>> do you think homosexuality is a sin? >> the bible says on six occasions -- having sex before marriage is wrong, homosexually is wrong, people looking at pornography is wrong. there's a long list of things that the bible says are wrong. >> eight states in the america are legalized gay marriage. >> it's amazing because there were anti-sodomy laws and anti-fornication laws on the books just a few years ago. >> but my point is, the bible is what it is, it's an extraordinary book which has governed people's moral and personal behaviors now for thousands of years. however like everything in life, shouldn't it be dragged kicking and screaming into each modern era and be adapted? like the american constitution. my view about this is not that i don't respect christians or catholics or whoever who absolutely swear by every word in here, i just don't believe

anyone who's genuinely christian should be espousing bigoted opinions about sections of the community for their sexuality? >> when it comes to the bible, you've got three options, take it, i believe what it says, leave it, i don't believe what it says, or change it. >> or adapt it to a modern era. >> thomas jefferson, he literally sat down in the white house with scissors and cut out the parts that he didn't feel should be in there. >> given that more americans believe gay marriage is acceptable than don't in this country. >> until there is a vote we really don't know. >> let's get to the point where there is one day a vote. >> yeah. >> if it was the merge of americans believed in it, would you go along with it? >> would you officiate same sex

marriage? i couldn't according to conscious. the biggest is men who walk out on their families. the average child born to a woman under 30 is born out of wedlock with no father. >> there are so many faithless guys out there. >> that's the heartbreak. >> i don't hear many pastors ranting about that. all they want to hear about is gay people loving who want the same rights to get married as i do as a straight guy. >> for me, i hammer those guys like a pinata on cinco demayo. they are addicted to porn, irresponsible. a woman is more likely to be in church, college and the

workforce than a young single man. there is sexual assault, sexual abuse, abortion. kids go to bed without a father. if we are going to talk about what is harming the country. >> i agree with that. what is harming america is just the fundamental lack of tolerance and respect for people who may not share your personal values. i think that pastors like you funny enough are in a great position to trail blaze a bit, to take this great book and bring it slightly kicking and screaming into the modern era a bit because eventually america will get to that position and quite fast. it is going to happen. >> i believe the bible. >> it's a good talking point. it's a good read. not your average religious book. thank you very much. coming up montel williams

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i've probably had this disease, we don't know how long. but over the last ten years, i believe it's been misdiagnosed multiple times as other things. i used to be and still am a pretty heavyweight lifters, i

think people misdiagnosed this as being an injury from lifting weights. but it is m.s., and i have been living, i think, very well with this disease. >> hollywood, politics, keeping america great, montel williams, he does all three of those things. he's a celebrity talk show legend, a health advocate, a true political animal. he was also diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1999. 13 years later still going strong. you look terrific. i know people, there's one in my family who has multiple sclerosis. it can be a dreadful, dreadful disease. how are you functioning on a daily basis now? >> it's by the grace of god, but also for the fact that i literally decided -- i had a choice about 12 years ago, either live down to the expectations of doctors who told me i would be in a wheelchair in four years. this disease is so devastating you may as well give up, you have to stop working, or i can live up to my own expectations and set a course. i'm not saying that other people with this illness haven't worked

hard at trying not to succumb, but there's not been enough knowledge out there to help us all do so. i've embarked on a course that i think is pretty revolutionary. i have had a lot of doctors take a look at me and try to figure out why i am doing so well. >> if i didn't know the story, i would never have known you had it. >> if you saw me 9 1/2 or 10 months ago, i would have walked in here -- my limp was much more profound. a year ago, you would have seen my dragging of my left foot. >> what have you done? >> i have changed my diet, i have changed my eating regimen we my exercise regiment. in this nation today, we hear all the political pundits talking about health care, obama care, santorum care, romney care, all this craziness that should really just be talking about sick care. that because that's the only way america looks at it is through sick eyes.

we can only try to fix something broken, rather than try to help people understand that if they keep the machine oiled and running well, maybe we won't need as much insurance because we're not going to be such a drain on the system. what did i do? when i say i changed my diet, i eat differently than anything on this planet. 75% of what i eat is liquefied. why? more vegetables and fruits are nature's natural anti-inflammatories. so what's the biggest nemesis of a person who has m.s.? inflammation. i need to fight inflammation every day. this isn't something i haven't done for three months. for seven years, my friend. i finally dialled it in nine months ago and got it right. >> take me through your daily diet. >> i start off my day, this right here is something that's is the most revolutionary new breakthrough supplement on the planet. it's based on lanoleic acid. the omega 6 fatty acid.

that acid works on the organs in your gut which we know is the root of almost all disease. by taking two shots of this a day, a tablespoon twice a day, sometimes i take it three and four times a day. this keeps me healthier. then i also consume about 40 ounces of liquid fruits of vegetables every day. >> all in liquefied form? >> i can't eat as much fruits and vegetables by chomping all day. my jaw would be sore eating a bag of spinach. >> any? >> pick any fruits you want. you're going to hear raw foods people say you have to separate the fruits from the vegetables. cheers, my friend, bang.

>> that's like an orangey banana smoothie. >> you take this, this is already working on my amino fat. and i'm drinking four glasses of this every day. that's coconut water. >> that's nice. >> coconut water, watermelon, pineapple, banana, apple and a bag of baby spinach. >> there's spinach in that? >> i'm working on reducing the inflammation in my body. when you hear all these arguments about this care, that care, why don't we have somebody take charge in america. i have heard almost every single pundit quote a former president. the biggest quote when we're talking about health care is ask not what your country can do for you. ask what you can do for your country. if we started off children like

this every day, we've got 5 out of 10 children totally obese. >> i totally agree with you. i have a big thing about diet in america. i love america. very passionate about america. it's been great for me. but when you come here from a european country, the portion sizes, the stuff you put in the food, this can't be right. nothing's right about a lot of the food that's being eaten the food that's being eaten here. and actually you're right, if you deal with it at the start of the process, rather than when people get sick, imagine the savings to america. >> but guess what? in the last three years, i've been to the doctor twice. once a year i go, i take an mri every single year to keep track of my illness. but that means the amount of money and the impact i've had on the health care system is less than 1% of what i'm putting into it. so why don't we have a program -- i don't care if it's obama care, romney care, santorum care. why are people like myself and yourself, why are we not

rewarded in some way with lesser rates? i may suffer from cancer five or six from now, but for the next six years in a row, i'm not a drain on anybody's system. not only do i diet, but i exercise every day. thank you so much for pointing out the fact that i walked in here smoothly. >> you're fit as a fiddle. >> my friend, i'm working out for an hour and a half every day. i'm extreme, but anybody can work out 20 minutes a day and impact the way you feel. >> let's take a little break and i want to get your medical report on america incorporated. how are we going to fix america from a business point of view, in the way that you would with your diet. >> you got it.

>> my guest is montel williams. montel, you're a republican. you have three daughters. what do you make at the moment of this whole political debate which is seen by many to be a strangely anti-female agenda by the republican party? >> can i say i'm just disappointed in the entire political process right now, the way we see it, where we have to reduce everything to its lowest basis common denominator. we have to put up as much anger as possible. last week, a young man walked up to me and his name was gordy yule.

i brought you a copy of his book. this young man served in afghanistan, in iraq, blown up twice, shot five times, when i met him i had him on my show years ago, he was in a wheelchair, couldn't walk. he came up to me on a walker. he gave me a hug. god bless you, my friend. he's caucasian. i'm black. they don't care. he put his life on the line because he believes in america. okay? i stop and i think about all those guys that are over there right now, and they're looking back at us and they're saying you want me to die for you and you can't even communicate with each other respectfully? you can't even live up to the dream of our own constitution we the people? you've got to call people names? i find that the most despicable disgusting piece of journalism i have ever seen. and i don't know if there's an apology that's great enough because i do have three daughters. though i may say things about people that i don't like because of this political stance or that political stance. i'm never going after a person's soul. that's somebody's child. how dare you? >> you mean rush limbaugh? >> yeah.

>> what i find extraordinary, they can talk about all the other incidents that have happened, but for a guy of that experience, that popularity to just calmly call any woman a slut and prostitute, i find absolutely breathtaking. >> somebody asked me to comment and the only thing i could say was abomination, and we can go back and listen to all the politicos say this person said this, this person said that, nobody said this this way about somebody else's child who was doing what? exercising the right they have in the constitution, the right of free speech to say my opinion is "x." is that what we boiled down to now? >> what seems to have happened, is an american's right to free speech has been abused so much it seems to me that actually it ought to go hand in hand with tolerance. >> whatever happened to the first three words of the constitution? we the people. we're in this together. i don't know why all of a sudden this country decided that we all have to be against each other.

>> a lot of hate isn't there? >> i did 22 years in the military. put a uniform on my back and was willing to take a bullet for anybody in this country, period, didn't matter if they were black, white, it didn't matter. and that's what bothers me about this, because we can talk all the trash that we want. neither one of the republicans that are running ever put a uniform on. this is the first time in american history that we have a largest percentage of elected official who have put on a uniform, have the nerve to send our children off to die. and we got hawks right now begging to fight syria? it won't be santorum's child, it won't be romney's four boys. it won't be yours or mine. we're going to leave it to that less than one-third of a percent to protect this democracy, and

while they're doing so, we have to look like a democracy that calls people's children whores and prostitutes. we have politicians who have to take shots at people because of the color of their skin. are you crazy? we're supposed to be setting an example for the world. are we not? that's the way i feel. >> if you served in the military, what is the difference in perspective to those who haven't? >> how about thank you for your service isn't enough? words roll off of people's lips. too easily. actions speak way louder. >> i want to have one more say with you. i love the passion you're bringing to this. >> i'm sorry. >> i do want to talk to you about how you fix america economically as well as all this. i love the passion you're showing, this is what america needs, we'll come back after the break.

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comment and say something i said two and a half years ago in this context, but let's play it out. >> ms. bachmann said in some speech, and i don't have the exact words, we should all slit our wrists and form a blood covenant. those were her words. i was jokingly on my air america show, i said, if you're going to do that, just move it up a foot and a half. >> why? >> how stupid is this? we're going to slit our wrists because we want to help people be compassionate? somehow, that's been equated to what rush limbaugh had to say, which to me is part of the problem here. the network that did that is the network that doesn't understand what news is and how to do a report. you can try to find an analogy between those two, i don't know where you're at. >> a lot of people said about michele bachmann is if you're going to have an opposition to

something, you can say it without saying bigoted things. i don't want to call her a bigot for her beliefs. i was brought up in a religious family myself. that's not the issue. it's the way you express yourself about the gay community or whatever. if you start to speak in a bigoted manner, i'm afraid you have stumbled into the position of being a bigot. >> and that comes back to what i was talking about earlier. for me, maybe it's hard for people to understand a person who put 22 years in the military who feels compelled to now still serve. i can't look at another person and not look at them and not think that they're the american i was willing to die for. gay, straight, or whatever. i was willing to die for them. >> that's a theme, keeping america great. i like the positivity that statement has. america remains a great country. what should it be doing to fix itself? if you were an economic political doctor and you could treat america right now, what are the key things that need to be done? >> america has been in a national depression.

that's why you do salacious things when you're depressed. overindulge in drugs. overindulge in spending. you overindulge. we need to work at the core of why we have the problem. first off, excuse me, i'm sorry, again. when we flip the paradigm of what a hero was, i'm not knocking people that have talent, but we're going to have a shortage of engineers. we're going to have a shortage of doctors, of nurses. america, the leader in this world, is not going to be in that position in four, five years. let's look at doctors alone, nurses alone. we're not educating them. how do we expect to stay in this position that you say we need to be in or we're in, excellence, if we don't have another generation waiting to fill those positions to create excellence. >> the aspiration of being a celebrity has taken over almost anything else in life for young people. >> there's not one thing on

television that doesn't reward you and try to make you a celebrity for being the garbage man to the rattlesnake biter to the one who bit you. everybody. i saw housewives of the trailer park advertised the other day. really? i'm not knocking people. i'm not trying to say anything -- wait, i was born in the ghetto of baltimore. i'm not trying to knock a person's status in life. i'm just saying that we're now going to applaud a show, housewives of the trailer park, really? and that's what people are living up to and want to be? skip school just being what the term was that was thrown out so easily by rush limbaugh. make millions in appearance fees. piers, come on, man. people can say, montel, you know what? shut up, you're out of touch with america. i don't think so. i think there's a core of us who understand, the core of