tonight, a rising star who has it all, a bright career, a superstar wife, a beautiful family. but nick cannon has been fighting a serious illness. nick cannon with his life on maria carey. >> she is amazing. >> and the loss of a family friend, whitney houston. >> mariah took it extremely hard. >> plus, controversial pastor, mark driscoll. why his new book on marriage is heavy on the sex. >> i think if you're married, issued enjoy one another and it helps to save the marriage from all kinds of problems. and you know him as an emmy-winning talk show host, but

montel williams is passionate about politics. >> i don't know why all of a sudden this country decided that we all have to be against each other. >> and keeping america great. >> something that's called the home of the brave, the land of the free. where we all dreamed that we are the same. that's what we want to be. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. tonight, a big story. nick cannon battling back since a serious health scare and speaking out about the fight for his life. the host of "america's got talent," my old show, nick is married to mariah carey and the father of two young boys. nick cannon, you're live. >> yes, and you just turned my daughter into a boy. >> oh, a daughter! i keep forgetting that. >> you got them gifts. you were at the baby shower and you don't remember it was one boy, one girl. >> my humble apologies. it was me that just had a daughter as well. >> yes, congratulations. >> how are you? >> i'm good. it's awesome. obviously, it was a rough start at the beginning of the year,

but i'm turning it all into a positive. >> when i worked with you on "america's got talent," you were super fit and you used to boast to me about what great shape you were in. you flexed the guns and so on. what went wrong? do you know what happened? >> yes, it was a few things. i feel like the thing that kind of brought it to a head was, i was overworking myself. working out too much. i actually was trying to work through a cold at the time, while i was in aspen with the family, and i think that kind of just -- my body went into overload. i was trying to use a bunch of cold medicines, i was already on a bunch of protein, working out and all of that, and it just kind of created this pain that i could not deal with in my back. and i kind of had a feeling, like, yo, that's probably my kidneys. and a lot of people are like, maybe it's kidney stones from dehydration, maybe it's an infection. and as they did more and more tests, they actually found out that i had kidney failure. and it took a while, it took a

few months, but through a bunch of tests and studies, they found out that i have lupus nephritis, which is an autoimmune disease that attacks -- it's a rare one. mine was a very rare case, but it's attacking only my kidneys. >> only you would have even a cool-named disease. lupus nephritis. >> yes! >> that sounds like a rapper. >> right?! you're funny today. >> but, joking apart, i have known you a while, and i know from people who know you, it was pretty serious. and some of the doctors actually felt it could be very, very serious. >> well, not only is lupus nephritis very serious, but the things that it can bring on. and one of the biggest things, they were saying that i was prone, i was more prone to getting blood clots. and i was trying to do everything to prevent that. i was wearing the surgical stockings, i was on a blood

thinner, so many different things while i was in the hospital. and after i hosted the pre-show for the super bowl, i started to get pain again and, this time it was a little higher, and there was fluid around my lungs, and i had two blood clots in my lungs. and because of that, i also had an enlarged heart. so there was a lot that really happened because my kidneys weren't functioning right. >> was there a moment when you thought, i'm in real trouble here? >> i've tried to be optimistic the entire time. everyone else around me, obviously, is very like, this is life threatening and this could happen. so i never got to that stage, where i was like, okay, this is it, but i knew the severity of the situation. so, i, you know, i'm a glasses half full type of guy. i never went to that place, even though i knew it was very serious. >> my glass is half full. part of me was obviously feeling really, you know, sorry for you. and the other half, the positive glass half full was thinking, maybe i can get back on to

"america's got talent," as the host. >> there's a slot open. i'm here to tell you, you need to slow down too. >> i flew around with you a lot on the show, and you used to tell me about your schedule and you used to make me exhausted hearing you talk about it. you had this crazy, crazy schedule. you would survive on basically two or three hours' of sleep a day. >> i've now been ordered to get at least six hours of sleep a night. >> are you doing that? >> i have to. the doctors say, you have to lay down for at least six hours, and not only because of my condition, but because you can get a lot of swelling. so i have to be, you know, horizontal for at least six hours. but, i mean, i'm dealing with it. the doctor, they made me quit my morning radio show, which i wasn't excited about. >> you loved that show. >> i loved doing it, but on the east coast, i was up at 4:00 a.m. to do a five-hour show, and on the west coast, i was up at 1:00 a.m., wasn't even sleeping and doing my show. >> you made a sort of documentary about this and

footage. i want to just play a bit of this. >> the whole process, i've been documenting. >> witness this incredible health. >> facing more health problems. >> sometimes you have good days, some days are bad days. >> nick suffered mild kidney failure. >> as tough i want to be on bad days -- >> doctors found two blood clots -- >> yeah, i'm directing that. i put that together. i've just been, since probably my first time out of the hospital in january, i've just been having cameras on, and it's real intimate and raw. >> why have you wanted to do that? >> for so many reasons. one, to kind of show the other people how they're dealing with these illnesses, that they're not alone. a lot of people see me on television, talking to piers morgan and different shows, but they don't really get to see how it's affecting me. there are so many questions. how did you get this?

how are you working through it? you're going to see all of this on my website, on nickcannon.com. >> 26 million americans have some sort of chronic disease. >> one out of nine adults are dealing with it in some kind of way. and people don't even know they have it. and that's kind of what, you know, world kidney day and this month is kidney month as well. they're just trying to get the message out there, to get tested. you know, it can come from high blood pressure, it can be hereditary. and the thing about kidney disease, people don't actually know they have it, because it disguises itself as fatigue. people like you and i who get tired all the time think, oh, i'm tired, i need to sleep, but those are the beginning stages and can turn into something more severe. >> more importantly, how is your lovely wife? >> she is amazing. dr. carey, i call her, because she's been taking care of me and our kids. >> how is it for her?

>> we feel like we've been hospitals for almost two years, when you think about everything she went through being pregnant with twins and her having -- you know, it was a difficult pregnancy for her, and then, you know, right after that, the top of this year, i'm in the hospital as well. but she is such a pro. like, she knows all the home remedies, she knows when i'm supposed to take my medicine, what i'm supposed to eat. >> and is she pleased or not very pleased that you're now horizontal for at least six hours. >> she's actually more pleased. because we're actually now horizontal next to each other. so it's nice. i get to spend more time at home not doing the radio show and getting to rest more. that's what it's all about. family is first. i get to wake up in the morning, and feed my kids with my wife, where before i would be at the radio station. so this is better. this is great. >> it's interesting you mentioned that, because whitney houston died, as we know, a few weeks ago. i covered the funeral for cnn. you tweeted, tell your loved ones how much you love them.

mariah was at the funeral. what did you mean by that? >> it was quite interesting, because we found out, i was in the hospital, and i was looking at, watching cnn, in my hospital bed, and you know, mariah took it extremely hard and, you know, because not only was that someone who was her peer, it's also a close friend, and just to be able to -- i know what she was dealing with and how people just started to come and let her know how special she was and how to keep her head up. because everybody needs to hear that, with you know? we want to send the flowers, a lot of people can still smell them. >> it's very true. has this whole experience for you made you re-evaluate your life? >> absolutely. 100%. i wouldn't say it put me on a ticking clock, because i never want to think like that. but you want to spend each day making sure it counts.

you know what i mean? like not wasting any time. but also not letting negativity and all the things that we might focus on that are really trivial get in the way. it's like, i want to focus on the right things. i want to focus on educating people about their health. i want to focus on, you know, so when i'm not here, there's a legacy of more than just, oh, he was a funny guy or whatever. i really want to leave this world a better place than before i got here. >> and i don't want to stress you anymore or upset you, but how is "america's got talent" without me? because during the auditions, i imagine it's a massive personal loss. >> it is a quite different show. that's all i'm going to say. there's a lot of people -- i'm not going to say a lot. i'm lying. there's a few people who miss you. and i'm one of them! i'm not going to lie. we had such an amazing report and banter back and forth. and my report, banter back and forth is different. because he comes in, like the audience is different. it's all these people screaming. but it's fun.

i mean, it's a fun -- >> i'm sure it will be hilarious. i love howard. >> so we'll see what he's going to do. he's filling your shoes quite well. and he references you quite a bit. he says you were a great judge. he's a fan of yours. >> any other compliments? >> nah, that's it. >> seriously, a pleasure to see you. i'm glad you're back on track, because i was genuinely worried about you. >> you were. you texted me, you called me. one of the few people who really reached out and was actually concerned. >> well, you've always been very thoughtful to me. nick canon, good to see him back on track. coming up, what would jesus do? controversial pastor mark driscoll just got married. tonight, the struggle for america's soul. my daughter's grabbing some yoplait. lemon burst, blackberry harvest, pina colada... i can't imagine where she is... orange creme... [ grocery store pa ] clean up in aisle eight. found her! [ female announcer ] yoplait original. 25 flavors for you to love.

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tonight, the struggle for america's soul. pastor mark driscoll's x-rated talk that's got him taking heat from the left and the right. he's one of the most polarizing

spiritual leaders in the country, and his new book is "real marriage: the truth about sex, friendship, and life together." the first guest who ever came clutching a bible. >> i brought it as a gift. as one irish catholic to another, i brought you a bible as a gift. i know you got a lot of christian gifts -- >> none of them ever brought me a bible. your book as managed to achieve the impossible. absolutely everybody has gone right and left. the right think it's way too graphic and explicit, because you talk about sex, which is unmentionable to a lot on the right. and the left say, who is this guy, talking about how women are supposed to be submissive, succumb to their men. >> i don't think i said that. >> you did say that. >> we'll get that. >> tell me about the book. >> as a pastor, we do a lot of

counselor and i decided to write down a lot of things we've been teaching together, my wife and i, as well as our own story, mistakes we've made, things we've learned. trying to help people. >> the first half of the book is on marriage, primarily around friendship. which is a big idea that's important -- >> but it evolves quite quickly from friendship into sex. you're keen on it. >> i think if you're married, you should enjoy one another and it helps to safeguard the marriage from all kinds of problems. >> only in marriage. >> only in marriage. that's the biblical position. >> you never had sex before marriage? >> i did and i was wrong. i had sex until i became a christian. i became a christian at ang 19. and i'll be the first to say, i'm not trying to throw stones at people and pretend that i've done it all right. i was sexually active and then i became a christian and reading the bible realized i shouldn't be sexually active, so i stopped. and i've been faithful to my wife now for 20 years by god's grace. >> that's an extraordinary story in here. your wife grace, you have a

dream after you get married in which you -- >> i have weird dreams sometimes. i see stuff, supernatural stuff. >> tell me about this particular dream. >> well, it was something that had happened when we were first dating and she was only 17 years of age. i found out things later in the marriage like the fact that my wife had been sexually assaulted and we hadn't put together those details. i don't think it's uncommon when you get married, sometimes it's not until you're married for a few years that you get to really know each other. >> you had a dream where specifically you could envisage her making out and you confronted her after having the dream, it appears this happened earlier in her life, and she said, yes, it did. and you said, had you known about it, you would never have married her. why should it be one rule for her and one for you? >> i think i was being selfish and being a hypocrite. i'm not going to defend things i have said or thought. but i do believe that jesus

died, rose, and he helps me. >> for people watching this, especially younger people, for example, so you say, it's all right for you. you had all this sex until you were 19 -- >> it wasn't a lot of sex. >> then you got born again. so you sort of sewed your wild oats and you become a born-again virgin. but for them, you're trying to punish them. they can't have anything. >> well, i think, ultimately, sex is best reserved for marriage. and i think if you look at the statistics of sexual assault, sexual abuse, sexually transmitted diseases, there's a lot of people that are suffering -- >> there's sexual abuse in marriages. a lot of very unhappy marriages. one in three roughly ends in divorce. >> yeah, but the statistics -- >> pretty much. you wouldn't contest that? >> marriage is in a rough -- >> yeah, and the main thing of keeping your marriage alive from here is lots of sex. >> friendship. >> and lots of sex. >> well, friendship is really the foundation.

>> this book is full -- and i don't want to go on about it, but it is full of sex. >> it talks about pornography and the detriment that it is. it talks about sexual assault -- >> i get you. >> the talk about sexuality isn't just all how to be cirque du soleil. >> what is surprising and what is contentious is that you think that women should play a more submissive role than perhaps the average modern woman would like to, in the sense that if the man wants to have sex at any time -- >> i don't believe that. i don't believe -- >> well, you do say that. >> well, what we say is that a couple should serve one another, love one another in the context of friendship, and that means sometimes he serves her, sometimes she serves him and that's really the context of the friendship in and out of the bedroom. but, no, i don't believe that a man should be boorish or bully or boss his wife and if he just gives an order, she's supposed to go ahead and do that. because that's very abusive. >> do you think a woman's place is really at home looking after children? >> i think it depends on the woman, it depends on the family. there's a lot of circumstances. i mean, with unemployment the way that it is and all the

different variables, i'm a pastor. i have a church that i lead. and when you're dealing with people, there's a lot of complex variables. now, for us, we're very blessed. we have five kissed. kindergarten through a freshman in high school and grace is able to stay home with them and that's what she wants to do and i'm grateful for that. but we know for all families, we know that's not possible. >> many catholics don't agree on contraception. what's your view on that? >> i hold the more protestant position that contraception is not always sinful. so though i love and appreciate catholics and i was catholic for many years, i wouldn't hold that position. >> a critic would say, again, you've changed your position, because you realize that you couldn't have contraception as a catholic, so you drifted -- >> well, i couldn't get married as a catholic. that was more of an issue. >> i mean, should you be so bendy with your religious positions and -- you know what i mean? >> for me, honestly, it goes back to the bible and i'm trying to look at biblical principles and be faithful to the scriptures. and for me, i couldn't have become a priest, because the vow

of lifelong sell celibacy wouldn't have really worked for me. so i don't find contraception necessarily sinful in all cases. >> let's take a little break and come and talk about some of the big contentious issues of this week. kirk cameron, what he said about sexuality and gay marriage, in particular. there's been a mushroom cloud after this. >> let's get your view of that. we'll ask you after the break. >> okay. progresso. it fits! fantastic! [ man ] pro-gresso they fit! okay-y... okay??? i've been eating progresso and now my favorite old jeans...fit. okay is there a woman i can talk to? [ male announcer ] progresso. 40 soups 100 calories or less.

the canadian nudist arsonist cult has decided at the name jesus christ is code word for getting high on hallucinogenic mushrooms so that then you can get naked and set things on fire. which is crazy. but i guess if you're going to join a cult, join a fun one. >> that was pastor mark driscoll. he has a pretty powerful message and is back with me now. i mean, you're not your average pastor, are you? saying stuff like that? >> i have fun. sometimes i get it wrong. >> too many people in the world of religion take it too seriously. is that part of the problem? >> i think we should take jesus seriously and take the bible seriously. we approachable shouldn't take ourselves nearly as seriously and that's how i approach it. >> do you think you're a tolerant type of guy? >> love people very much. >> that's all the same thing? >> how do you disagree with people that you love? that's a very difficult issue for everybody, but for a pastor

in particular. >> because you preach tolerance? >> i preach that you should love your neighbor -- >> but tolerance? >> you keep hammering that. what do you mean my tolerance? >> tolerating people who may have a lifestyle or belief that you don't. >> yeah, jesus wants you to love all your neighbors. to seek good for them. to care for them. >> so what did you think of the cameron scandal, he sat here, espousing what i think he thought were perfectly normal things, but he did it in a way that many people saw were as bigoted as towards gays. what did you think of that? >> to be honest with you, i didn't see the whole thing. >> but you heard what he said? >> i saw some of the twittering and blogging, but that's not always a the full context of the conversation. >> do you think that homosexuality is a sin? >> the bible says on six occasions -- >> but what do you think?

>> i believe that all sex outside of heterosexual marriage. homosexuality is wrong, single people having sex is wrong. >> but given that eight states in america now have legalized gay marriage, that's fine, right? >> well, no. well, it's amazing, because there were anti-sodomy laws and anti-fornication laws on the books just a few generations. >> no one's taking much account of the anti-fornication laws. >> i don't want to be the ones to enforce those laws -- >> but my point is, the bible is what it is. it's an extraordinary book, which is govern people's moral and personal behaviors for thousands of years. however, like everything in life, shouldn't we be dragged kicking and screaming into each modern era and be adapted, like the american constitution. because my view about this is not that i don't respect christians or catholics or whoever, who absolutely swear by every word of it. it's that i just don't believe anyone who's genuinely christian

should be spouting bigoted opinions about sections of the community for their sexuality. >> well, i think when it comes to the bible. you've got three options. take it, i believe what it says. leave it, i don't believe what it says. or change it. >> or adapt. >> which would be the changing it. that's exactly what, for example, thomas jefferson did. he literally sat down in the white house with scissors and cut the parts out that he didn't feel should be in there. >> so given that more americans now believe that gay marriage is acceptable than don't in this country the issue. >> well, we don't know, because it hasn't been voted on. >> that's what the latest national polls say. >> well, there's the polls, there's the news, there's the truth. until there's a vote, we really don't know. >> right. let's get to the point where there is one day a vote. if it was that the majority of americans believed in it, would you then go along with it? >> would i officiate same-sex marriages and things of that nature? >> yeah. >> i couldn't according to

conscience, no. i think the big issue in america is men who walk out on their families. right now the average child born to a woman under 30 is born out of wedlock. >> but my whole point about it is there are so many feckless guys out there, who marry endless times -- >> having kids -- >> they have no responsibility. they're ghastly human beings. but i don't hear many pastors, at least catholic ones or christian ones, ranting about those guys. all they want to rant about are gay people in loving, monogamous relationships with one other person who just want to have the same right to get married as i do as a straight guy. >> yeah. for me, i hammer those guys like a pinata on cinco de mayo. that's my sweet spot. young guys who don't get married, they take advantage of women, they sexually assault, they're addicted to porn. for the first time in america's history, a woman is more likely to be church, in college, or the workforce than a young man.

40% of kids go to bed without a father. to me, if we're going to talk about what's really harming the country, that's a big issue. >> i agree with all that. but i also think what is harming america right now, like many countries around the world, is just the fundamental lack of tolerance and respect for people who may not share your personal values. you know. i just think that pastors like you are in a great position to trailblaze, a bit, you know? to take this great book and bring it slightly kicking and screaming into the modern era a bit. because eventually america will get to that position anyway, and quite fast. >> it's moving fast. >> it's moving fast. so it's going to happen. >> yeah. but i'm also a guy -- i believe the bible. >> well, it's a good talking point. it's a racy old read, i've got to say. not your average religious book. pastor driscoll, thank you very much. >> thank you, piers. coming up, montel williams and a very passionate prescription for keeping america great. [ shivering ]

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and i have been living, i think, very well with this disease. >> hollywood, politics, keeping america great. montel williams knows about all three of those things. he's a celebrity talk show legend, a political animal, but also diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1999. but 13 years later, he's still going strong. and let me say, you look well. how are you functioning on a daily basis? >> in some ways, but for the grace of god, but also about the fact that i literally decided. i had a choice about 12 years ago, either live down to the expectations of doctors who told me i would be in a wheelchair in four years, that this disease is so devastating that you've got to stop working. or i could live up to my own expectations. i'm not saying that others haven't worked hard so the

trying not to succumb, but there's not been enough knowledge out there to help us all not do so. i've embarked on a course that's really revolutionary. a lot of doctors take a look at me and try to figure out i'm doing -- >> it's extraordinary. you walked in here, quite boldly. i would never know, if i didn't know the story, i would have never knew you had it. >> nine, ten months ago, my limp was much more profound. if you saw me a year ago, you would have saw not only me limping, but the dragging of my left foot. >> what have you done? >> i've changed my diet. my eating regime, my exercise regime. i make sure i take medication i'm supposed to take. we hear in this nation, we hear all the political pundits talking about health care, obama care, santorum care, romney care, all this craziness that really should just be talking about sick care. because that's the only way america looks at it. is through sick eyes. we can only try to fix something broken rather than try to help people understand that if they keep the machine oiled and

running well, maybe we don't have to need as much insurance, but we won't be such a drain on the system. when i changed my diet, piers, 75% of what i'm eating is liquefied. because i found out from the food and drug administration that more vegetables and fruits are nature's natural anti-inflamtories. what's the big nemesis of a person who has ms? inflammation. i need to fight inflammation in my body every day. this isn't something i've done for three months. for seven years, my friend. i finally dialed it in nine amongst ago. >> take me through your day. >> this right here is something that is the most revolutionary new breakthrough supplement on the planet. it's based on something called lanolaic acid. fat acid works on the fat around your organs in your gut, which

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reducing the fact that we've got right now five out of ten children obese. >> i love america. i'm very passionate about america. but when you come here from a european country, for example, the portion sizes, the stuff you put in the food that means it doesn't seem to go off for weeks on end, this can't be right. nothing's right about a lot of the food that's being eaten here. and actually, you're right. if you deal with it at the start of the process rather than when people get sick, imagine the savings to america. >> guess what. in the last three years, piers, i've been with a doctor twice. once a year i go. i take an mri every single year, keep track of my illness. but that means that the amount of money and the impact i've had on the american health care system is less than 1% of what i'm putting into it. so why don't we have a program -- i don't care if it's obama care, romney care, santorum care, why respect people like myself and yourself, who pay attention to our impact and our health care footprint, why are

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back now with our guest, montel williams. montel, you're a republican. you've got three daughters. what do you make at the moment of this whole physical debate, which it seemed by many, to be a strangely anti-female agenda by the republican party. >> you know, can i say, i'm just disappointed in the entire political process right now, the way we see it, where we have to reduce everything to its lowest, bases common denominator. we have to put up as much anger and hatred as we possibly can. last week, a young man walked up to me, his name is gordon yule. i bought you a copy of his book. he served in iraq. shot at five times.

when i met him, i had him on my show years ago, and he walked up to me a walker. i said, god bless you, my friend. he's caucasian, un-black. he put his life on the line because he believes in america. hey! i stop and i think about all those guys that are over there right now and they're looking back at us, and they're saying, you want me to die for you? you can't even communicate with each other respectfully? you can't even live up to the dream of our own constitution, we, the people? you've got to call people names? i find that the most despicable, disgusting piece of journalism i've ever seen. and you know, i don't know if there's a apology that's great enough, because i do have three daughters. and though i may say things about people that i don't like because of this political stance or that political stance, i'm never going after a person's -- that was somebody's child. how dare you? >> you mean the rush limbaugh? >> yeah. >> you know, they can talk about all the other incidents that

have happened. for a guy of that experience, and that the popularity, to just calmly call any woman a slut and prostitute i found absolutely breathtaking. >> somebody asked me to comment, and all i could say, abomination. >> yeah. >> and you know, we can all go back and talk about and listen to all the politicos say, this person said that, nobody said that, nobody said this this way about somebody else's child who was just doing what? exercising her right that she has in the constitution. the right of free speech to say, my opinion is "x." is that what we've boiled down to now? >> what seems to have happened is that an american's right to free speech has been abused so much, it seems to me, that people have forgotten that it ought to go hand in hand with tolerance. >> whatever happened to the first three words of the constitution, "we the people"? we're in this together. i don't know why all the sudden this country decided that we all have to be against each other.

>> a lot of hate. >> i did 22 years in the military, put a uniform on my back and was willing to take a bullet for anybody in this country, period. it didn't matter if they were black, white. it didn't matter. that's what bothers me about this. because we can talk all the trash we want. neither one of the republicans that are rung ever put a uniform on. no one -- this is the first time, i think, in american history that we have a larger percentage of elected officials who never put on a uniform, have the nerve to send our children off to die. we've got hawks right now begging to fight syria! it won't be santorum's child. it won't be romney's four boys. it won't be yours or mine. we're going to leave it to that less than one third of a percent to protect this democracy. and while they're doing so, we have to demonstrate that

democracy looks like people who call people's childrens whores and prostitutes. we have politicians who have to take shots at people because of the color of their skin, or -- are you crazy?! we're setting an example for the world, are we not? that's how i feel. >> if you served in the military, what is the difference in perspective to those who haven't? >> how about, thank you for your service isn't enough? >> the words roll off of people's lips too easily. actions speak way louder. >> i want to have one more say. i love the passion you're bringing to this. >> sorry. >> i do want to talk to you about how you would fix america, economically, as well as all this. but i love the passion you're showing. i think it's what america needs. so we'll come back after the break. o0 c1 2 o0 [ beep ]

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people could say, hang on, when michele bachmann was being very vocal about gays and was pretty evasive about what she said before, you were pretty strong on her. what do yousaur say to that? >> it's interesting because in the last two days i don't know why the media decided to deflect rush limbaugh's comment and put something i said 2 1/2 years ago

in this context. but let's play it out. ms. bachmann said in a speech, we should all slit our wrists and form a blood covenant. those were her words. and i was jokingly on the show when she said that. i played that piece and said, heck, if you're going to do that, just move it up a foot and a half. what, how stupid is this? we're going to slit our wrists because we want to help people be compassionate? now, somehow that's been equated to what rush limbaugh had to say, which, to me, is absolutely really part of the problem here. because the network that did that is the network that doesn't understand what news is and doesn't understand how to make a portrait. if you can find an nool ji between the two, you don't know where you're at. >> if you're going to have an opposition to something, you can do it without saying bigoted things. >> correct.

>> i don't want to call her religious beliefs a bigot. that's not the issue. it's the way you express yourself about the gay community or whatever. if you've got to speak on a bigoted manner, i'm afraid you stumble into the position of being a bigot. that's the issue i don't understand. >> that comes back to what i was saying earlier. maybe it's hard for people to understand who puts time it in the military who feels compelled to now serve. i don't -- i can't look at another person and not look at them and not think they're the american that i was willing to die for, gay, straight or whatever. i was willing to die for them. >> i've been running a theme on the show, keeping america great. i like the positivity that statement has. america remains a great country. what should it be doing to fix itself? if you were an economic political doctor and you could treat america right now, what are the key things that need to be done? >> america's been in a national

depression, and that's why you do salacious things when you're depressed. you overindulge in drugs, overindulge in spending. you overindulge. we need to start working at the core of why we had the problems, first off, excuse me, i'm sorry, again, when we flip the paradigm of what a hero was, i'm not knocking people who have talent. we are going to have a shortage of engineers, a shortage of doctors, a shortage of nurses. america is as a leader in this world is not going to be in a position in four or five years, doctors alone, nurses alone, we're not educating them. how do we expect to stay in this position you say we're in or need to be, excellence, if we don't have another generation waiting to fill those positions to create excellence? >> i never had the aspiration of being a celebrity, now it's taken over almost everything else in life for young people. >> there's not one thing on television that doesn't reward

you and try to make you a celebrity from being a garbage man to rattle snake biter. i saw housewives of the trailer park advertised the other day. really? i'm not knocking people who -- i'm not saying anything about -- i was born in the ghetto. i'm not trying to knock persons' status in life. i'm just saying that we're now going to applaud a show, housewives of the trailer park? really? and that's what people are living up to and want to be? skip school? just being with the term it that was thrown out so easily by rush limbaugh and get a gig? make millions on our -- people can say to me, montel, shut up, you know? you're just out of touch with america. i don't believe so. i think there's a core of us who understand, there's a core of americans who