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too. >> inconvenient at best. >> i wouldn't be too happy. i need to use the bathroom. >> so in a perfect justice system meets septic system, the crapper scrapper was finally busted when someone saw him leaving a restroom with toilet parts sticking out of his bag 37 with the end of this crime spree, i think it's safe to say the citizens of denver are relieved. thanks for watching, "erin burnett out front" starts right now. does barack obama have a donor problem? the big announcement for apple today. will it put some money in your pocket? let's go "out front." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, a developing story. there was a hate crime in france that is spurring fears of copy
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cat attacks in the united states. at this hour, increased security at american jewish institutions from san francisco to washington, d.c., and new york, following a deadly shooting today outside a jewish school in southern france. french president nicolas sarkozy said the shooting was an obvious antisemitic attack. the new york police department said special attention is now being paid to synagogues. >> do we have a significant jewish population in this city, and we have to take that into account. we know that we're at the top of the terrorist target list, so we are concerned about the so-called copy cat syndrome. >> mary snow is following this story from outside central synagogue here in new york city. mary, what sort of extra security is there? >> reporter: well, erin, you've seen a visible police presence outside of this synagogue and several others that we passed in the city today. the police commissioner is saying basically he's stepped up
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uniformed police outside more than 50 locations throughout the city. you heard him say there isn't any specific threat or intelligence they have of a specific threat but they felt it was prudent to step up these safeguards. >> i know you talk to a lot of jewish institutions across the city and a lot of them were told to increase security. how concerned are they? >> reporter: you know, they are very concerned. we spoke to several synagogues and some say they are stepping up their own private security in conjunction with that police presence. a university sent out notifications to its 7,000 students and staff members telling them to be on alert. as one synagogue said, when an incident like this happens, everything goes under review. we talked to one teacher he at the pre-k at central synagogue and she said she felt very protected, but overall we heard much concern among several
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synagogues throughout the city. >> mary snow, thank you very much. the france region is on the highest terrorist level possible. a gunman on a motorcycle opened fire earlier today in front of a jewish school killing a rabbi, his two young sons and another school girl. diana is there tonight and right before the show i spoke to her, and i asked her about the gunman and his connection to some other anti--semitic shootings. >> reporter: we do know from the ballistic tests that were done on the cartridges that were found that the gun that he used, he used two in today's killing, the same gun was used to shoot a soldier ten days ago and two other soldiers last thursday. so there is an obvious connection. and just to show you how sort of specifically he targets, that last killing, there was an elderly person at this atm where the soldiers were getting their cash out.
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he pushed that person aside and went directly for the two soldiers who were of ethnic origin, so it's very clear that this has a racist motivation, that he is going for ethnic minorities. >> and obviously president sarkozy said it was obviously anti-semitic in nature. how is security right now in france? is there fear, especially now that you're where this has happened now more than once? >> yes, there is definitely. the streets are pretty quiet. it is, of course, a monday but the streets are quiet except for around the school where obviously there are a lot of police. i've just been talking to someone at the jewish community from the school who's been there most of the day supporting the families who have lost their children. he was devastated, you know. he said this is monstrous, how can someone gun down children in front of their classmates. president sarkozy has lifted the security level. it was pretty high anyway because this is a region where there are a lot of paratroopers
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based in southwestern france but it's been raised to the scarlet level. since the shootings of the three soldiers in fact, soldiers have been warned not to leave their barracks wearing uniforms while this gunman, this serial killer is still on the loose, erin. >> it's pretty amazing what has happened. and here in the united states, this is incredible. the number of anti-semitic incidents is on the rise. there had been a recent downward trend, but in 2010, which was the most recent data we were able to get today, there were 1,239 anti-semitic incidents. now, that's defined as assaults, threats or vandalism against a person of jewish faith, because of his or her religion. a poll from the same group last year found that 15% of americans, nearly 35 million adults, hold deeply anti-semitic views which is an increase of 3% from the year before. so how big of an issue is this? how concerned should we be about anti-semitic acts of violence
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like the ones we saw today? former deputy director for the cia. and former homeland security chief of staff, good to see both you. phil, let me start with you. how concerned are you about the rise of anti-semitic incidents in this country? >> i think we should be concerned for a few reasons. if you look at the divisiveness in europe, this isn't just an isolated incident against a jewish target or military target, you're talking about social debates about immigration in europe, immigration in france. that's part of the presidential debate. so this is a deeper issue than just one lone gunman. the second thing we have to remember, and i have to go back to sitting at the threat table at the fbi is what the chief of nypd talked about and that is copycaters. we saw this in the anthrax case ten years ago. copycatters for years got inspiration from the attempts in 2001 so there's the underlying
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social issues here about foreign populations, about anti-semitism and also, there'sed prospect of copycatters. >> chad, what could be behind the rise of anti-semitism that we're seeing in the u.s.? >> well, i think in the u.s., as phil just noted, a number of motivations. some of them clearly focused on policies. some of them focused on israel. some of them focused on just flat racism. but in this case when you look at the french incident, let's bear in mind that the first three victims were all paramilitary soldiers in the french military and not jewish. so what's important to remember is there is definitely -- the rabbi that was targeted along with the three children is anti-semitic in that it is connected more with israel and military targets. what we are seeing around the globe right now, as phil knows, we've seen a rash of attacks against israeli diplomats, largely in the context of the tensions with iran right now. >> one thing, phil, i'm curious about, what sort of patterns you see.
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we don't know who this individual is but obviously in that part of france and france in general there has been a lot of tension due to rising muslim immigration into france. again, we have no idea whether the gunman is muslim and if this might be linked to muslim/jewish issues or not but that certainly is an issue in france. >> there's a couple of things you have to think about. one of which we see in the united states, and that is opposition to french engagement or american engagement overseas. we saw this in texas when an army officer shot up a military base because he was opposed to military overseas. some of this might be directed against french military deployments overseas. not all of this is isolated to europe. some of this has to be seen in the context of global opposition to engagement in places like iraq an iran. >> chad, final question to you. since we have seen an increase
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in these incidents, is there more than a lone wolf sort of situation. i mean you mentioned involvement, whether it's hezbollah or somebody else. is it possible there is something coordinated or would that be impossible to tell? >> i think at this stage it requires further investigation. there's clearly a signature here. if you look at the death of the first french paramilitary officer, he was not wearing a uniform, there were no military indications on his motorcycle which is a signature that there was pre-attack surveillance. the other two were wearing uniforms. you put that in the context as phil said of the attacks on israeli diplomats in india, in georgia and an attempt in thailand and what you have is a global picture that is exactly what phil said, which is anti-semitic targeting of israeli jews and american jews in retaliation for things like the recent afghan massacre, which was regrettable, just a few days ago. >> phil, chad, thank you very much. appreciate your perspective tonight. we have dramatic new video of jason russell's meltdown.
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police say the filmmaker behind the viral video about joseph kony will not face charges after he went on a naked rant in the middle of san diego last week. today new video has surfaced often tmz showing jason russell's wild and erratic behavior that day. >> what? [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> i mean it obviously is someone who was disturbed and upset, which is what his family said as we show you this video here. police found him like this after several people had called 911 and reported this bizarre behavior going on. he then was submitted to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation. miguel marquez has been working the story for us and is outside the headquarters of the charity that jason russell founded in san diego. good evening, miguel.
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>> reporter: how are you there, erin? you know, this video is difficult to watch. it's hard not to watch as well at the same time. people there on the ground say jason russell was combative on the scene. there was a woman that tried to calm him. that he got almost into a fight with and had to be restrained for a while. he was then taken by police, never charged, but taken by police to a medical facility to get help. his wife released a statement over the weekend saying that he's never done drugs, never done alcohol, he doesn't have a problem with those and that's not what the cause of this. >> all right, thank you very much, miguel. breaking news from capitol hill regarding the budget battle. republican congressman paul ryan will unveil his budget tomorrow and the "wall street journal" is reporting some details. we wanted to share with you, the headline ryan proposes cutting taxes to two tax brackets, 10%
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and 25%. the current tax code has six brackets with the top marginal rate at 35. now, it is impossible to do any breakdown on the revenue acquired because we don't know the income levels and we don't have a whole lot of other details besides the two brackets. congressman ryan will be our best tomorrow night and we're looking forward to getting answers to those questions. mitt romney heads into tomorrow's primary with 20 more delegates thanks to a win at puerto rico. the 20 delegates get him closer to the magic number of 1,144 needed to clinch the nomination. he's currently at 519. rival rick santorum obviously is doing everything he can to stop romney from getting there. the former pennsylvania senator asked on cbs about chances the race will end up at a brokered convention and here's what he said about it. >> i think obviously they're increasing with congressman gingrich staying in the race and congressman paul staying in the race. we see in these caucuses that each of them and even some of the primaries, they pull delegates. our delegate calculation has governor romney far below 50%. we think that there's a lot of
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primaries coming up, including pennsylvania, my home state, where we can make some very big delegates. texas is going to be another great state for us. >> for every candidate, there's a lot of self interest to spin. does he have a point? john and bill burton joins us tonight. good to see all of you. let me start with you, john. mitt romney has to win 49% of all the remaining delegates. he got 100% in puerto rico. >> yeah. >> so can he do this 49? >> the point is, is that he's got to thread a pretty tight needle here. he doesn't have a lot of room for error. he can get the requisite number. he needs to stay roughly around the proportion he's been. this is far from over. even the romney camp will acknowledge this isn't going to be over until at least may, maybe even utah in june. the republican party needs to deal with the fact because of proportional delegates and super pacs, there is a long road ahead. no matter how much they want to say it's all but over, that's
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not right. >> bill burton, i remember asking you four months ago and you said i think it's reasonable to think mitt romney will be the nominee and here we are. >> i remember back in 2008 we thought the doom's day scenario was if we went to april 22enned, when pennsylvania was. and then obviously it web with the much further than that. i know in the romney camp they're thinking we are far past the doom's day scenario. but the problem here, even though 90% of the americans think that mitt romney will be the nominee, republicans aren't coalescing behind him and it's because of mitt romney. >> i saw a really funny comic that had brackets and it had not mitt, not mitt, not mitt, not mitt, not mitt, at the end it was mitt and it really made me laugh. but that gets to the point about a brokered convention. would that be good or bad? >> well, i think, look, there's a reason that these parties run these conventions as essentially infomercials for them ises and they all get a bounce out of it. i think it would be really odd to have a situation where the democrats have decided to do this one-week infomercial for
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themselves and the republicans decide to have a one-week-long sort of festival of intra party hatred. i don't see how that can help the republicans going into november. >> at this point i think we're long beyond that argument of what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. john avlon, what happens in illinois? today the latest poll actually, 44% for romney and 30% for santorum. >> i mean in the expectation game this poll probably doesn't help romney. we've seen santorum outperform the polls. this should be a strong state for romney. but there's really a division between the downstate conservative rural voters and the suburban voters who are more likely to be romney folks. this is a big state, it's romney's latest firewall. if santorum pulled off an upset, it would be a big headline. but right now they're looking downstate. romney is hoping for a strong win tomorrow and this is going to play out for weeks and months.
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>> was it gq or esquire that came out with this breaking news? someone will tell me in my ear. i don't want to confuse them. gq. the secret service names are out. apparently mitt romney is javelin and rick santorum is petris. >> what? >> i don't know, petris. >> it's an expensive wine, right? >> that's the plural of petra in jordan? i don't know. that's not exactly -- that's not really renegade, right? you want something a little more -- >> javelin is not bad. >> javelin is good. >> javelin is like you go one way and you come another. >> like a lot of republican primary voters, i'm thinking, send me a rewrite. >> you know and again, i can't independently confirm these but i thought it was interesting reporting. bill, let me ask you, president obama has said that his campaign
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has raised $45 million. i think that was in january. is that in your view in line with expectations? people have talked about is he able to the enthusiasm up. is this now a great number or not? >> no, i don't think it's a great number. i think it's a really good number and showing that democrats and people who care about the president getting re-elected are starting to get engaged. but what you're missing from this side of the aisle is the fact democrats aren't as afraid as they ought to be looking at the "new york times" and the "washington post" polls about the president's political situation. so i think that they're a little slower to engage than they were previously. a lot of comparisons made to 2008 and how the president did then. keep in mind that in february 2008 he was engaged in a tremendously competitive, vigorous democratic primary against senator clinton. i think that's a big reason that he raised so much. >> you're seeing two broad trends that are fascinating and troubling. president obama is not getting those big dollar donors who rallied around him last time. the big money guys are looking elsewhere and really rallied around romney's camp. romney's problem is he can't get the small donations.
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in his last filing at the end of january, 90% of his donations came from big dollar donations. >> every donor is one vote unless we're back in the time of cicero and julius caesar. right now that would be in barack obama's favor. before we go, i'm going to talk about this later in the show, about the rnc ad on war on women. but obviously injure super pac has this donation from bill maher. i know it's a big donation, 15% of all the money so far, second biggest donor. i know you're not allowed to coordinate president. he came out and made that comment about sandra fluke, i don't want them attacked or called horrible names. that's why i called sandra fluke. do you feel he would be upset with the kind of words and tone that bill maher has used? does that put pressure on you with this donation? >> i'm not going to stand here and defend vulgarity no matter who's using it. i'm also not going to select the republicans' selective outrage over had they get mad about who uses what terms. to listen to rush limbaugh or ted nugent, i think that republicans are very happy to
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ignore that and try to use this as an issue to distract from what are actually important issues that we're trying to discuss in this election. >> you don't think that -- that's absolutely right. they didn't come out nearly as hard as they should have on the rush limbaugh thing. they avoided it and dodged it. >> they barely came out at all. >> on the maher we're hearing excuses, he's an entertainer he's supposed to be funny, so it's okay. >> like i said, i'm not going to defend vulgarity. >> do you condemn it? >> yeah, i'm against that kind of language in any sense. this is something we've talked about at length. but at the end of the day there are huge differences between where president obama is and where mitt romney is on issues that are important to women. on lillie ledbetter, on what kind of supreme court justice they would appoint. president obama would be like for sonia sotomayor. romney would put a scalia on the court. i think there's huge
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differences, that's what the real issue is here. not what entertainers said over the course of years of their careers. >> i'll hit pause on that. i don't know that i fully agree but a whole lot of what's out there but we'll talk about that later on in the show. thank you very much. appreciate it. and now, should minors who commit murder be sentenced to life without parole? this is a crucial question the supreme court is going to be deciding tomorrow. because they're considering two cases in which 14-year-old boys were convicted and sentenced to life hinhood bars. the supreme court has ruled minors convicted of murder cannot receive the death penalty and there are more than 2500 people serving life without parole for crimes they committed as juveniles. 38 states allow life without parole for minors who commit murder, but is it constitutional? it's a crucial question. jeffrey toobin is our chief legal analyst and he is outfront tonight. good to see you, sir. >> hello. >> we're switching in and out here like crazy on our set. so what is really at stake here. this is a pretty fascinating debate.
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>> and this is one of the most mysterious words in the constitution, cruel and unusual punishment. what does that mean? the justices struggle with it all the time. and here you have a situation where they're moving on this issue. as they said you can't execute juvenile offenders. you can't sentence juveniles to life in prison if it's not a murder. tomorrow the question is what if it is a murder, can you sentence a 13 or 14-year-old to spend the next 70 years, life without parole in prison. hard question. >> it's a hard question and i know that it was justice kennedy who had said, well, you don't want to sentence them to death because maybe their minds, their brains, their morals are not fully developed. >> absolutely. >> if you're going to say you can't sentence to death for those reasons, then is it consistent to say you also can't do life? >> quite possibly. we are the only country that sentences teenagers to life without parole. we're the only country to do that. justice kennedy, one of the reasons he said we can't execute
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juvenile offenders was that the only countries who do that were countries that we are appalled by, like congo and iran. we don't want to be in that company. we are alone on life without parole for teenagers. and you look at the facts of this case, one of these cases, the 14-year-old, he didn't even fire the gun. he was just an accomplice. do we put him in prison for the rest of his life? but people died in these crimes so, you know, these are very serious things. >> one of them, davis, he was 14, armed robbery, he didn't pull the trigger. but evan miller, also 14, beat a neighbor and then burned the house down to cover the crime. >> beat him to death with a baseball bat. i mean it's horrifying. but the question is -- i mean as kennedy has said in these opinions, people who are teenagers, their brains are not fully developed. they will change, they will grow. is this something that we can judge them for for the rest of their lives? obviously no one is proposing getting rid -- saying let's just release these people if you improve your behavior. we're talking about how many years, but maybe not life.
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that's what it's going to be tomorrow. >> i can't wait to talk to you about this tomorrow. it's amazing. thanks to jeff toobin. please let us know on twitter what you think about that issue. the soldier accused of murdering 16 people in afghanistan met with his lawyer today. we'll talk to one of the people who knows him and try to find out what went so wrong. and good news for apple shareholders today. guess what, you might be one and not even know about it. to keep big winter jobs on track, at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting, initiate, bill, and track work in real time. you can't live under a dome in minnesota, that's why there's guys like me. [ male announcer ] it's a network of possibilities -- helping you do what you do... even better. ♪
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about. we focus on our own reporting, do the work and find the out front five. increased security at american jewish institutions from san francisco to washington and new york. following a deadly shooting today outside a jewish school in southern france, where french president nicolas sarkozy said the shooting was an obvious anti-semitic attack. phil mudd, former director of the counterterrorism for the cia says we should be concerned about the rise of anti-semitism in the united states and copycats. number two, we're just learning that a luxury cruise ship collided with a ship on friday while off the coast of vietnam. we spoke with a passenger on the silver shadow and he said dense fog blanked the bay. he was in the observation lounge when all of a sudden he saw the other ship and within seconds the two collided. in a statement the cruise company called the collision a minor incident. andrew lock said he disagrees.
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>> the ship wasn't given any opportunity to slow down before he hit the other container ship and so we slammed into it with full force. and the pictures speak for themselves. the photos that myself and other passengers took speak for themselves, that it was not a minor incident. the wreckage on the other ship was substantial. the damage to our ship, including a hole in the front of the hull, among other dents, shows that it wasn't minor from the passengers' point of view. >> lock said no one on the cruise was hurt, but he did see people lying on the deck of the container ship. number three, apple says it sold three million of those new ipads, that's its name, since it went on sale friday and apple shares today closed above $600 for the first time ever. the company announced a $2.65 dividend and a $10 billion share repurchase program.
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that adds up to about $40 billion. apple is one of the most widely held stocks in the united states and it is owned by all of the major mutual fund companies and some of the major pension funds. what this means is if you own any fund as part of your 401(k) or have a pension fund, you almost certainly benefited from apple's announcement today. that $45 billion that this will cost is not a lot of money for apple considering it still has $60, $70 billion stashed overseas. they only use their u.s. cash because they're keeping the rest outside the united states. they say that they do not want to pay the higher u.s. tax on it. number four, the new york mets agreed to pay $162 million to the victims of bernard madoff. the owners of the baseball team had been accused of profiting from madoff's ponzi scheme and ignoring warning signs. so far the trustee for the madoff victims has recovered about $9 million in losses. the settlement avoids a court
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case which would have begun today. it's been 228 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? today a former vice chairman of the federal reserve warned in a "wall street journal" op-ed the u.s. is headed toward a fiscal cliff in 2013 if congress doesn't fix the budget problems before the end of the year. the american soldier accused of murdering 16 afghan civilians last week met with his defense attorney for the first time today. he remains behind bars in a military prison in kansas. now, his lawyer later described the meeting to the "wall street journal" as probably the most emotional day i have ever had a a human being. he expects formal charges to be filed by the end of the week. tonight new details are emerging about the background and troubled life of staff sergeant robert bales. many who knew him described a popular football player who was hard working and compassionate. a few moments ago his wife released a statement which says we extend our condolences to all of the people of the ponjawai
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district. our hearts go out to all of them. our family has little information beyond what we read and see in the media. what has been reported is completely out of character of the man i know and admire. in a moment we're going to speak to one of sergeant bales admirers, but first, damage simon is looking into what may have been the sergeant's darker side. dan, what are we learning about him today and tonight? >> reporter: well, it's a complex portrait. let me tell you what we found out this afternoon. in the year 2000 before bales joined the military, he was accused of defrauding an ohio couple out of a lot of money, $637,000. that couple told an ohio television station that they wanted bales to sell some stock for them and they were going to use the money to pay for medical bills. instead they accused bales of pocketing the proceeds. eventually bales was ordered to repay the family $637,000 plus interest. it amounted to $1.5 million, a
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lot of money, but bales skipped out on the payments. let me tell you what else we learned. in the year 2002, bales was accused of assaulting an ex-girlfriend but there were no charges filed because bales underwent anger management counseling. then in the year 2008, this was bizarre, bales got in his car and was involved in a hit and run. he hit a tree and some ammunition spilled out of his car. he was bloody and then ran into the woods. again, there were no charges. but the bottom line here, erin, is we're getting mixed signals from a bunch of different people. this is a family that seemed to be in dire financial straits. they had a home that recently went into foreclosure and they were upset bales didn't get a promotion in the military which would have meant more money so a lot going on. we're just trying to find out as much as we can. >> dan, thank you very much. we appreciate it. many people who know sergeant bales say they can't reconcile the kinds of details that they hear, these troubling details of
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not just what happened in afghanistan but some of what dan was just saying with the man they remember. joe miller was one of sergeant bales' football coaches in high school. he joins us now. good to see you, sir. tell us about the man or at that time it would have been the boy that you remember. >> well, he was truly an excellent kid. he wasn't the best student in his school, he wasn't the best athlete in the school, but he came to school every day, working at his subjects matter and doing the best that he could possibly do. >> and you talk about -- or mention that you were obviously his football coach but you also think that you may have been a part of why he went in the military. how did he make that decision? >> well, i don't know that that's the truth, but he did know that i had been in the military between my freshman and sophomore year in college.
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he knew that i enjoyed it. i thought it was a happy time for me and he often asked about it. i looked upon him as someone who possibly could have the same success that i had in the military. >> and it seems from some of the stories i've seen about him back in iraq that he certainly did at least for a while. another one of the players you coached who actually went on to the nfl today put a statement out about sergeant bales today saying, quote, in the days we played football together, he personified sportsmanship and the highest degree of unselfish team values. my relationship with bob continued long after the playing field and i viewed him as a person with enormous integrity, courage and loyalty. what you do you think, sir, may have gone wrong? did you ever have an indication that there was another side to him? >> no, i really didn't. i thought he was a very steady person.
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i just felt that he was probably one of the best all-around students in our school. we had a lot of kids who had problems, that's for sure. but he wasn't one of them. he was consistent at all times, in everything he did, coming to school all the time. never causing any trouble. and just giving his best on the football field at all times, and he wasn't a big man. he was only like 5'7" and i think he weighed 190 or so pounds. but he gave every ounce of it to being a successful football player. >> all right, well, joe, thank you very much. we appreciate your taking the time to tell that different side of the story as we all try to put together a picture of who this man was. tonight almost 100 students have gathered outside a florida courthouse. they're demanding justice for a black teenager shot by a white security guard.
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we do this at the same time every night, our outer circle where we reach out to our sources around the world. tonight we go to iraq where mystery surrounds the alleged nine-month abduction of american randy michael holtz. now, there are questions with b what his name really is, what exactly he was doing in iraq. no one knew he was missing.
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a shiite militia who released him on saturday said he was a u.s. soldier. the u.s. embassy in baghdad says he's a private citizen. truly what is strange is that nobody -- this really is bizarre -- nobody knew he was missing, not even his own family. i asked jill dougherty what she knows about holtz right now. >> reporter: erin, this is a very strange story but here's what we know. the state department says this man's name is randy michael holtz, that he's a private citizen. he was not working for the u.s. government and he was not a u.s. contractor. now, two years ago he gave an interview and he said that he was a businessman, that he was running an investment firm that was investing in iraq. just recently, he shows up and says that he had been kidnapped nine months ago and was being released on humanitarian grounds, but the strange thing about this is nobody seems to know that he was missing. so we talked about the former assistant director of the fbi, tom fuentes, who said a lot of this simply doesn't add up, and the question could he have been
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an intelligence operative? fuentes doesn't think so. in fact he said it's more weird than operational. erin. >> all right, thanks very much to jill. now let's check in with anderson with a look at what's ahead on "ac 360." >> we've got a good program. 17-year-old trayvon martin shot dead by george zimmerman who has not been charged with a crime. you'll hear zimmerman on the 911 tapes, multiple tapes, multiple calls were made. the tapes seem to dispute his claim the shooting was in self defense. we'll also speak with trayvon's father who wants justice, and in fact says it is his son's voice on one of those 911 calls you can hear crying out for help. the witnesses don't say that but the father says that is his son's voice. you'll hear from him, you'll hear the tapes. also ahead, identity theft on a multi billion dollar scale. you could be one of these people. unsuspecting victims losing their tax refunds, couldn't be easier for the crooks. the irs puts the money on debit
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cards for them. those stories, also rick santorum's delegate math doesn't make sense. we're keeping them honest. and tonight's ridiculist at the top of the hour. >> all right, anderson, thank you very much. nearly 100 students and friends of trayvon martin gathered outside a florida courthouse demanding justice for the black teenager. he was shot and killed last month by a half-hispanic security guard. >> we are working hard. >> trayvon -- >> who's that crying? >> trayvon's crying. >> students are calling for the arrest of 28-year-old george zimmerman, who says he shot 17-year-old martin in self defense while patrolling his debated community in sanford on february 26th. we told you a little about this story on friday. the gated community mixed race, although our understanding is it was mostly white, but it was mixed race. the record shows zimmerman was a frequent 911 caller, calling in 46 times going back to 2001. the calls he made the night of the shooting give a small glimpse into his encounter with
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martin. >> this guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. something's wrong with him. yep, he's coming to check me out. he's got something in his hands. i don't know what his deal is. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay. we don't need you to do that. >> okay. >> moments later a witness says she heard cries for help followed by a gunshot. here's the 911 tape. >> so you think he's yelling help? >> yes. >> all right. what is your name? >> there's gunshots. >> you just heard gunshots? >> yes. >> how many? >> just one. >> and within minutes, here's a 911 tape. it was all over. >> oh, oh my god. somebody -- >> it's probably going to be best if you stay inside your home for the time being, okay?
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>> i know, i can't believe somebody's killed. he was saying help. why didn't somebody come out and help him? >> the shooting has ignited a storm of controversy. paul callen is a former new york city prosecutor, criminal defense attorney and joins us now. what's your reaction legally when you hear these tapes? we were going to be talking to trayvon's family. they were actually listening to those tapes for the first time. what's your feeling? >> well, it's a very disturbing case. you know, the 17-year-old was unarmed. he was in a place where he had the right to be, he was visiting friends, and he's shot by somebody carrying a gun. it's very disturbing. but they have this law in florida, they call it the stand your ground law. colorado calls it the make my day law. they have a similar one. and when it was first enacted in the 1800s, you know what they called it? the true man law, which means like a true man, you can stand your ground if somebody approaches you and tries to assault you. that's what george zimmerman said happened here.
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as a matter of fact, he said he was jumped from behind by mr. martin and that's why he responded the way he did. >> is that why zimmerman has not been arrested or charged or taken into custody? or is that something you still can't understand? >> no, that's the soul reason that he hasn't been taken into custody. i think in a lot of other states new jersey, new york, states without this law he would be taken into custody. in most states, the doctrine was you have to retreat if somebody comes after you. you can only use deadly force if you have no option available, because it was the king's job to prosecute criminals. henry viii enunciated that doctrine. it's existed for a long time. but florida changed it and said stand your ground. you don't have to wait for police. >> the justice department could get involved over how the state is handling it, correct? i know they did in the rodney king case. so will they, can they? what will they do?
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>> in theory they could take the case over if they found civil rights violations. they did that in rodney king. they did it in the limerick nelson case here in new york, but they'll usually wait. you waf, the feds will let this play out in state court first, and then they'll look at it. by the way, not a clear cut civil rights case here. zimmerman is half hispanic, half caucasian. did he do this out of racial animous or because he wanted to shoot somebody? it's got to be a civil rights violation for the feds to get involved. >> paul, thank you very much. the nation is obviously watching this one now. how corrupt is your state? where does new jersey rank? we have the answer next. and the new ad from the republicans released this weekend, and i was in it, and very something to say. to keep big winter jobs on track, at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting, initiate, bill, and track work in real time.
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new jersey. the least corrupt state in the country. seriously. this is not a joke. it is the truth. according to an 18 month investigation by the nonprofit group center for public integrity and public radio international. they gathered information from all 50 states and looked at everything from political financing and ethics enforcement. new jersey came out on top in four of the 14 categories. at the top ten in seven others. that's right. new jersey. the soprano state was voted the least corrupt. new jersey received its highest marks for accountability in the executive branch and civil
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service regulations. it's not all good news for the garden state. new jersey only got a b-plus. no state in the united states got an a in the corruption survey which is terrible. new jersey and the other states that did well, only five got a b. which brings us to tonight's number. 45. the number of states that got a c or lower. 19 got a c. 18 got a d. 8 got an f including georgia, which came in dead last. curious how corrupt your own state is? the rankings are available on our blog. it is pretty disturbing. 45 out of 50. i mean, come on. u.s.? afghanistan? got to set an example. the gop releases a new ad called the war on women. and i was in it. we're going to talk about it.
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so this weekend the rnc rolled out a new ad online called war on women. the 90 second spot features a number of members of the media, including chris matthews, myself and george stephanopolous, talking about words used to describe women. to be honest at first i was amused i was included. then i was annoyed because i don't agree the democrats are in a war on women. two influential and big money donors, no need to name them again, have recently used vile words to describe women.
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one of them made the bad decision to elaborate in a disgusting manner. the fact is neither party came out hard enough when the offender was one of its own. now to say an entire party is at war with women? this is all politics. we've seen many references to a war on women recently from dems and gop siympathizesympathizers. the words used like the s word and the c word are not acceptable 37 not by someone who is a pundit, an entertainer, coworker, anyone. there isn't any defending it. this isn't political. it should be personal for everyone. if you're a woman, you get it because you deal with sexism in its forms all the time. if you're a plan, you have women in your life who need respect and don't want to hear those words used to describe them. politicians are happy to point the finger at the other side while finding a way for their
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