should all three of the candidates, given the number of delegates your man has, should they stand aside? we have 20 seconds. >> well, there's no one coming down from the heavens to change the math of the race. the reason that mitt romney has the most delegates is because he as the most votes and the reason is because he has the best pro jobs message. >> you have been generous, but we have to leave it there. we'll be back at midnight for more updates. thank you very much. it's 10:00 here in the east. 9:00 central time in illinois. mitt romney has won a convincing primary victory over rick santor santorum. barely mentioning him, but directing his comments at president obama. >> three years of barack obama have brought us fewer jobs and

many paychecks and we're in danger of losing something more than the value of our homes and 401(k)s. after years of too many apologies, historic drops in incomes and historic highs in gas prices a president who doesn't hesitate to use all the means necessary to force through obamacare on the american public, but leads from behind in the world. it's time to say these words -- this word -- enough. >> rick santorum also spoke from gettysburg in his home state, pennsylvania. >> i said throughout the course of this campaign, while other issues are certainly important, the economy, joblessness, national security concerns, the family, the issue of life, all of these issues are important. but the foundational issue in this race, the one that is in fact the cause of the other maladies that we are feeling,

whether it's in the economy, whether it's in the budget crisis that we're dealing with, all boils down to one word and that's what's at stake in this election and it's behind me on that banner an that's the word freedom. >> rick santorum in gettysburg. the pennsylvania primary a little more than a month away. a lot to talk about and let's check in with wolf blitzer and john king. >> 55% of the vote is in in illinois. you can see an impressive lead for mitt romney. john, a very impressive win, we have projected obviously a long time ago that mitt romney wins illinois. >> we will see fluctuation as we get the remaining 40-plus part of the vote. but mitt romney did what he had to do. you see rick santorum purple in much of the state. you would say, wait, santorum is

winning. marion county it's tiny. so he's winning with 49% of the vote. but it's only 658 votes to 439. remember that, because now you have move up here into the chicago area, the cook county suburbs, governor romney getting 75,000 of the votes. so a thumping an it's built on governor romney having success up here. nearly half lives really inside that circle. so governor romney winning in urban areas and winning in the suburban areas big over 50% of the suburbs. and carrying his victory out into the exurbs as well. santorum winning among evangelicals, but politics in the end is about math. governor romney winning huge. he dropped under 50%, but that's where we'll end up during the night. >> i'm surprised that newt gingrich is doing as poorly in illinois. we'll be here for you. >> we appreciate it. i want to bring in the panel now.

donna brazil and paul begala and erick erickson and ari fleischer. and gloria borger and david gergen. mitt romney barely acknowledged rick santorum except to give basically a brief congratulations. is that a smart strategy? is that all based on part of trying to kind of push along this inevitability argument? >> yes. you know, he had the cloak of inevitability early on. it got ripped off, put it back on, got ripped off and now it's back on again. one has a sense, anderson, that perhaps this is the final time that we'll look back and say this was the big turning point after a lot of twists and turns. i do think that it was more presidential, wolf said this earlier on the air, to give the kind of speech tonight. he actually used some humor. he was sort of mocking president obama. that is a much more effective way frankly to win over a lot of independent voters who are -- who aren't looking for this or

hard right. i think that the end of the debates is also really helping mitt romney. >> and hurt gingrich. >> and he's not pandering to the hard right all the time. he can stick to the economic message and it was better tonight. he had a more promising speech tonight. >> you know, electability has been one of his key arguments, and if you look at the exit polls tonight of the people who thought electability was important and lots of republicans do, mitt romney won three-quarters. >> 75%. >> that's the highest number i have seen and so i think what we see -- what we may be seeing now is the beginning of the end. not the end. >> right. >> but maybe the beginning of it. because he's really solidifying that sort. he won with tea party voters and married, suburban women. that's key to winning any election. >> ari, how much is in personal? and how much of a battling, because they don't like mitt romney or they don't want to get

out? >> well, i think it is personal. it's always a factor when somebody has the gumption to get up and run for office. i don't know if it's personal that they're opposed to romney as much as they believe in themselves and they think that romney is flawed, can't win. that's newt's case. but the problem with newt's case is newt's the only one really listening to it. i don't think he has much of a followership and people saying they should go to a convention because that's the way to stop romney. you know, i just think after louisiana on saturday, let's see how newt does. if it's the last of the southern states to vote. and if newt can't make his case there, i just think his crowds diminish and the reporters stop following him. that starts to hurt your feelings when you say, why am i here? that makes people look twice and say should i be in? i think his problem is that mitt romney starting to expand the lead over rick santorum every way, shape and measure.

if rick santorum can't address that, his day will come and it's not here yet. but he's going to have to face that too. >> although, paul, next for rick santorum for everybody, louisiana. that can be very good news for rick santorum. >> it could be. of course, my sister donna knows that state better than everybody. i'll speak about the north/south divide and why rick santorum will run hard in the louisiana area. if i were santorum i would cling to this, 40% of republican primary voters today said they had reservations about the candidate they voted for. not about another candidate. but when four out of ten are not happy about the candidate they voted for, i think that's what politicians use to fuel a dying candidacy. >> donna, what about louisiana? >> well, i think that it is a go good fertile territory for rick santorum.

for two reasons. one, north louisiana is really home of the self-described christian evangelical movement and also rick santorum has a hard problem really solidifying the catholic vote. so i think rick santorum can do very well this weekend in louisiana, but you know ari said something very important and that's the last southern state. well, that's the last deep south state but you still have texas. you still have arkansas. i don't think he can pull together the math. we know he has problems filling delegate slates in many of the states, but you know what? this race is still going to continue. i still believe at the end of the day some time in mid april, mitt romney will be able to get these two gentlemen out of the race and he can finally earn the right to start talking about president obama, i guess. >> you said the handwriting is on the wall for newt gingrich. but what about santorum? >> santorum is going to stay in for a while. look, he's got louisiana and probably texas and a number of

other states. considering the lack of delegates even where he's winning, and some of the districts where he's winning, i don't see how he can get to 1,144. if he wants to keep romney to get from keeping from 1,144 that's a fool's errand because you'll have a lot of funders saying wait a minute, no one has gotten into the brokered convention like this and done well, so stand down. i don't think -- i think rick santorum can stay in for a little while longer. >> but do you think on facebook, twitter at anderson cooper i'll be tweeting throughout the air. coming up next, john king will break down what numbers, how mitt romney won tonight. and the latest on the shooting of trayvon martin. we'll be right back. i'm a lobster girl.

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barack obama. >> romney already looking ahead to to move on his way to the divisive victory tonight. the question is how did he do it? exit polling tells the story. let's turn back to john king and wolf blitzer. >> thanks very much. the exit polls do show an impressive win tonight from mitt romney. he won not only because he won in some of the bigger populated areas, but he convinced a lot of women that he was better for this potential job as the republican presidential nominee. let's dig deeper with john right now. >> illinois is not mississippi or alabama or louisiana, which is up next. vote by ideology in illinois, mitt romney has had trouble with the constituency. he won 43% of those who said they're conservatives. the romney campaign will cite

this is evidence that the voters are coalescing around him. and nearly six in ten of the voters said yes, we support the tea party. and among this constituency, another 43 to 37% speaker gingrich at 12% and ron paul at 7%. but governor romney winning among tea party supporters. you haven't seen that especially if you head to the south. nearly six in ten voters cited the economy. 49% to 32% on issue number one, the economy. so he holds his strength there. we have seen that in other states. if you look at this one again, the romney campaign will cite this as a sign of progress in connecting. his problem has been can he connect with blue collar voters? let's come over to vote by income. 50 to 100,000, this a group that governor romney has struggled in other states, he tied santorum in the middle of the income ranges. otherwise, among those who make 100,000 or more, governor romney

winning quite convincingly. he won it in the places where he had won in the past. suburban, more affluent voters, but he did show some progress among tea party voters and among those who say he understands their concerns. again, illinois different from the south, but it's a good night for mitt romney. >> and now with 35% for santorum, 9% for ron paul, 8% for newt gingrich. very good for mitt romney. >> let's get back to the panel. paul, good night for mitt romney. i mean, from a democratic perspective, is that a bad night for democrats? i mean, aren't democrats -- aren't you much happier with santorum victories? >> well, sure. first off, you want the race to be sort of to rewrite thomas hops, nasty, british and long. >> it has been. >> the speech tonight, i thought romney did a good job for mitt romney. but he doesn't make the

emotional connection. i think people thought that al gore lacked that and hillary clinton lacked that. mitt romney makes them look warm and fuzzy. i think having ann romney speak is a great advantage. she's terrific, but she's not on the ballot. he has to close the deal. he did it in illinois by outspending santorum 21-1 and crushing him. he won't be able to outspend barack obama 21-1. >> is this all for naught? they make the argument about the delegate counts. it's inevitable that mitt romney is the nominee? >> i think so. unless he's unexpectedly collapses or has a heart attack. >> even if he can't get the delegates he needs before the convention, if he's won more of the popular vote, they're not going to take it away from him. >> exactly. i think the momentum argument does make a difference at this point. one of the differences that newt gingrich is simply down below 10% in illinois is there's a sense that his candidacy is

fading. the delegate numbers don't matter so much as the sort of -- there's an up and down in these things and romney is now on the asen dance. but paul's point, there are people in illinois not totally comfortable with his candidate, there were people in the obama camp who weren't either. i still think barack obama is favored in the fall. i think he's moved from underdog to favorite and with a better economy. but it's still winnable for the republicans. >> but that point, the four out of ten being uncomfortable speaks to the question of enthusiasm. and barack obama may do more to bring out republican voters than mitt romney does if he is indeed the republican nominee. but we don't really know yet tonight, but it looks like turnout is actually low in illinois and we have seen that time and time again in republican primaries and the big question is and we have argued

about throughout this throughout the rprimary season, whether that's going to mean much during the general election. when you have republicans who are unsure or not thrilled but they think he's inevitable and electable, will they turn out? >> well, you saw john king's exit poll information. do you think that they're starting to coalescing around romney? >> i think they're starting to coalesce around romney. he had it in nevada, florida. he didn't have it in south carolina. he didn't have it in some of the states that senator santorum won. the big issue, what's going to happen in a general election if it's romney. i think gloria nailed it frankly. whatever shortcomings conservatives feel about romney, they are going to unite so strongly against barack obama. that's going to be the glue that holds republicans together and that's going to be enthusiasm gap that the democrats have and

it's going to be matched by the enthusiasm drop that the democrats suffer from because they just can't match the magic of 2008. so they're going to have less turnout, less constituencies, young people and minorities turning out and the record numbers they turned out in 2008 to support president obama. >> you don't know that though. >> he has the unity that's going to come together against barack obama. not so much in love with mitt romney. but against barack obama. >> i don't know if you can predict democratic turnout. >> it won't be 2008 levels though. i don't think anybody is saying that. >> neither side. >> let's look at turnout numbers, john king, i think you have some of the figures. >> i'll match them up for you real quick. 71% of the vote. if you add this up, 300,000 -- you get over 600,000 with 71% in. this updated. you're above 600 with 71% in. let's go back in time and look at the republican primary in 2008. if you add this up, you get up above 800,000. more than 800,000 voters four

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this is the most important election in our lifetimes. in fact, i think it's the most important election since the election of 1860. >> few things happened between 18 60 and now, including the civil war, great depression, two world wars. 54 delegates, cnn is projecting a win for mitt romney. rick santorum is not giving up and neither is newt gingrich. >> phase one has to be stopping romney. if he gets 1,144 vote he's the nominee, fair and square. if on the other hand, as voters look at this, as happened last week in mississippi and in alabama, as happened the previous week in kansas, if people say no they don't want romney, then i think you get to a situation after june 26th where there's a 60-day conversation, santorum won't have a majority, ron paul,

won't, romney won't, and then a four-way conversation. >> if you ask the candidates they say it's a four-way race. john king? >> the numbers say it's two-way race. big advantage to mitt romney. that's our guesstimate. santorum at 244. let's fast forward, louisiana is on saturday. let's assume santorum wins but narrows the gap slightly. and then maryland and district of columnia, even if you're generous and give santorum that, romney starts to pull away. let's fast forward all the way to the very end. it's hard to stop romney unless someone has to take away west virginia or north carolina.

even here, romney clinches. so we're looking at a map that's tiltling -- tilting in his favor. it's a steep hill for anybody but romney. >> yeah. let's bring back our panel. and donna brazil, will this be a different conversation if rick santorum wins and wins big in louisiana this weekend? >> i don't think so. this is a war of attrition and while he may be able to pick up some of the louisiana delegates, like illinois, again, many of our delegates will be selected by congressional districts. and you have to look and see if rick santorum is on the ballot, oh he got enough delegates to pick up delegates. right now, mr. gingrich and mr. santorum i don't believe they have any incentive to leave the race. so it's really up to mitt romney. i was grading papers a while ago, because i teach on wednesdays. and if i had to grade mitt romney, he'd get an "a" in math. but in terms of chemistry i

think he gets a c-plus. >> erick erickson, you haven't been a fan of romney all along. what do you make of donna's argument? >> you know, you can see by the exit polling tonight there's still a core group of conservatives that romney has to connect to. if you look along the southern border of illinois he's not doing very well down there. he's not doing well in the rural areas or well with evangelicals. but i think he's the nominee know. this is the first big race he's won where there wasn't a caveat to it. at the same time, we have to keep in mind there's a large number of evangelicals who they're not wedded to a party and they don't particularly like mitt romney. you can say it's because of his faith. you can say it's because of his positions on life issues over time. whatever. the fact is they're not wedded to him. and they're not necessarily wedded to the republican party and he's going to need those people to turn out for him in november along with independents who tend to lean republican.

which i think ari is like. he'll get a lot of those. but the base of the base, if they're not enthused by him, they can only run for so long on antipathy toward the president. >> arri, the base of the base ultimately want to beat president obama and will go whomever is the candidate who's not obama. >> yeah. i think that's right. i think that the base of the base hated mitt romney so much, he wouldn't be winning in the primaries. they would have found an acceptable alternative. it's that they're not enthusiastic about it. it's not that they mistrust him so fundamentally with the exception of romney care, that's the one issue in their craw. but donna gave interesting grades, i have to add that i think barack obama when it comes to economics and accounting would probably get an "f." but let's also look ahead to what's next and why i think mitt romney is in a relatively strong position. you've got louisiana saturday. probably a good state for

santorum. potentially newt but i doubt it. where do you go from here? you go to april 3, you have d.c. where rick santorum is not even on the ballot. wisconsin and maryland. and when you're in second place, the last thing you need is a lull. then you go to april 24, everything shifts to pennsylvania and the northeast. give santorum pennsylvania. rick santorum is still not gaining ground. and in's the problem he's got. >> and if he doesn't win pennsylvania, if santorum doesn't win pennsylvania his home state, by the way, that's a real problem for him. at that point, on the 24th, i think then it would certainly be a real issue for him if he couldn't carry pennsylvania. >> if he were to lose pennsylvania, that's curtains. i think he'd withdraw at that point. but i think ari's analysis is right if you look at the states. >> thank you, everyone. coming up, the latest in the case of 17-year-old trayvon

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and the case of the 17-year-old kid who was walking to his father's fiancee's house.

he was shot and trayvon had been talking on the phone with his girlfriend. now, an attorney for his family says that conversation with the girlfriend can help prove that trayvon was killed quote in cold blood by george zimmerman. zimmerman admits he shot trayvon, but says it was in self-defense. the martin family lawyer says what the girlfriend heard on the phone blows that claim out of the water. trayvon said someone was following him and he was trying to get away. in a few moments we'll hear from one of the neighbors who called 911 that day and has chilling allegations about how the police responded to the situation. but first, tonight, the naacp is holding a rally for trayvon martin. we have more. >> reporter: anderson, the church behind me was filled to capacity. several hundred people outside, several hundred people holding the rally when they couldn't heard what was going on in there. everyone feeling like their

outrage has been heard, that they have had a sense of purpose in these last couple of weeks. now that the u.s. justice department has gotten involved and is going to be looking at this investigation, looking at how it's been conducted and how the conclusions have been reached by the sanford police department. so people here feeling like their voice has been heard and their agenda is pretty simple. they want to see justice for trayvon martin, they want to see george zimmerman arrested and they want to see the police chief of sanford, florida, fired for the handling of the investigation. >> you spoke to the president of the naacp a while ago. what did he have to say about the justice department's involvement with this case? >> well, i talked to him right after this rally and as i was saying how everyone here feels like that their outrage has been heard and now that they have some purpose in moving forward here, ben jealous says he has a lot of faith in this justice

department. listen. >> they have our faith because we have seen in case after case the -- >> so if the justice department looks into this and find out that the sanford pd acted appropriately, will you stand by their decision? >> that's a bridge that we have to cross and we have to see what it comes to. right now, we have faith in our justice department. we have faith that mr. zimmerman will be brought to justice. the charges will be filed. >> and ben jealous tonight telling everyone that was gathered here tonight that the justice department is involved because of the work that they have been doing and he's asking everyone to get ready to work on this for the long haul to make sure that the energy that we're seeing tonight doesn't diminish over time. because the grand jury is coming up in april. that could take weeks by itself before we find out if there are charges filed in this case. >> thank you.

mary kutcher lives in the gated community where trayvon was killed. they said that the police were siding with zimmerman from the start. so you heard some sort of whining, some sort of commotion outside? >> i had the window open and the blinds pulled. so we had complete view from outside. >> what was the first thing you saw? >> by that time, like shot -- like other noise. >> you heard the gunshot? >> yeah. i run away from my backyard and when i just get into the point of my -- like my screen, it stopped me, i look at the person on his knees on top of a body. >> so you saw mr. zimmerman on top of trayvon? >> trayvon, exactly. >> when you say on top of, how so? >> he was -- >> straddling him. >> exactly. >> his legs were straddling him?

>> one on each side, with his knees, with his hands on what his back. i immediately thought, obviously if it's the shooter, he would have ran. i thought he's holding the wound, helping the guy taking a pulse, making sure he's okay. when she called to him three times everything okay, what's going on? each time he looked back, didn't say anything. and then the third time he finally said call the police. >> but at that time it was so dark. i saw this person. when she started calling the police, i saw zimmerman walking with -- touching like his hair, kind of like confused back and forth to the body. >> so he was sort of pacing back and forth? >> yes. like -- oh, my god. >> he's pace and go back to the body and just like -- i don't know if he was kind of oh, my god, what did i do, what happened? >> something like that. >> so you didn't hear or see any altercation, any struggle? >> no. no. >> you only heard the cry, or the whimpering as you describe

it and then the shot? >> yes. >> so you believe whatever altercation or tussle or whatever there was, you believe that happened elsewhere but you didn't witness it? >> i believe that it had -- it had to have started from where the first person that called 911 and said there's a fight right outside my porch. >> how far away is that person? >> it's a couple doors down. from that point to where his body was, you know, two or three doors down, it's hard for me to believe that -- and at the time that we heard the whining and then the gunshot, we did not hear any wrestling, no punching, no fighting, nothing to make it sound like there was a fight. >> when police now have said -- you gave an interview to a local station. what you said in the interview, what you're saying now is contradicting what you told them early on. that your initial statement to police actually backs up george zimmerman's version of events.

>> actually, when that was released i called the pr guy for the chief of police, and i demanded that they retract it and print the truth. >> they say that when they initially contacted you, that you didn't want to make any kind of a statement. >> they never -- >> can i say something about it? it's because that why i just decided to speak in public. i was the one -- >> she was the one -- >> you didn't want to miake a statement -- >> well, i did. but i didn't want to be in cameras. she said, we need to help the family, but i said no, i don't want to go in the cameras. >> when police say your initial statement backs up zimmerman -- >> i don't know how it's any different from what i said in the original interview. >> what you're saying tonight is what you told the police initially? >> absolutely. i said nothing different. the only thing that i can think of that would have any difference whatsoever is they asked me how would you know that it was trayvon that was whining? and i said i don't know.

i guess because it stopped when the gun went off. and if it were zimmerman crying, because he was hurt or something, i think he would have continued. i don't know. >> what i heard was a very young voice and it stopped immediately when the gun went off. >> based on what you saw and again, you didn't see a struggle, do you believe it was self-defense? on zimmerman's part? >> i did not. >> why not? >> i didn't believe it was self-defense because of what we saw when we walked out on the porch. if it was self-defense, why was he on trayvon's back. >> what was the police's actions? >> they were siding with him. >> with zimmerman? >> yeah. >> what makes you say that? >> i guess their nonchalant attitude. because he's in classes to be a police officer and, you know, he had a squeaky clean background which he does not. it has come out what his background is.

and let him go. >> well, thank you very much for talking. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> no problem. >> george zimmerman said he shot trayvon martin in self-defense. florida lets people use deadly force away from their homes if they think someone can harm them. senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin and sunny hostin is here. the attorney for trayvon martin's father and family says that trayvon martin was actually speaking to his girl friend on his cell phone when this began. ultimately the call. how does that change the -- what we have heard? >> well, the police say they didn't arrest george zimmerman because they had nothing to dispute his self-defense claim. we know that trayvon martin was on the cell phone with his girlfriend. he was nervous and scared and concerned because someone was

following him. she advised him to run and then zimmerman runs after him. she says that trayvon said why are you following him and george zimmerman says who are you, why are you here? she believes she hears zimmerman pushing trayvon martin. well, that means that if that's taken as true, george zimmerman is the first aggressor and he cannot avail himself of the self-defense theory. i think what's so remarkable here, anderson, is that this is information according to the family attorney and i have spoken to one of the attorneys that police didn't interview this young girl. >> why has this information just come to light now that there was this phone call that he was on the phone? >> because i believe that trayvon martin's family is sort of doing their own detective work. they have had to take those steps. and really, it's just remarkable because when you're talking about the investigation of a shooting death, these are things that are always done. you always look at the phone records. >> i agree that this should have

been done. i think we need to pause and say that there is not a full picture of the evidence here. >> we don't know, we're just factually speaking. we don't know what happened from the time zimmerman stopped talking to 911, got out of his car. >> and there's a way of constructing the time line, there will be a cell phone record of this call. we need to need to know what time the call ended, the gunshot -- it was in between. all of that is very relevant to knowing exactly as much as we can about how it unfolded. i'm just prepared to say that, you know, this is not dispositive proof that he was not acting in self-defense. too in negatives there but still positive based on the evidence that he could make a claim of sel sel self-defense under the law of florida. >> why did zimmerman describe

trayvon martin as suspicious based on having -- just by looking at him? why did he say they -- you know, these a-holes, they always get away, what did he mean by that? do any of the comments that you have heard in the 911 call argue against a self-defense or the idea that he felt threatened by trayvon martin? >> i think he feels threatened by trayvon martin. i think he feels threatened because trayvon martin is black. i mean, i don't think that's any doubt that this is a classic case of profiling. >> well, i think what's remarkable that someone claims to feel threatened but then chases the person that he claims to be threatened by. >> again, we don't know how that unfolded. >> but we do because there are 911 calls. >> we don't know about a chase. >> george zimmerman -- the dispatcher said are you running after him and he said yes. >> no, are you following him? for all we know he's in a vehicle.

>> but zimmerman does say he's running. he's running. and you hear someone then get out of a car, presumably george zimmerman and dispatcher said are you following hip and he says yes. >> now, the attorney for crumb up said that the girlfriend told trayvon martin said to run, and he said, no, i'm not going to run, but going to walk fast to get away. the fbi is investigating and also the grand jury. >> well, the feds are in charge. they'll come in and i have -- like the naacp, mr. jealous, i have a lot of confidence in these people. i think they will interview everybody. they will get all the evidence and they'll figure out whether there's a case to be made here. >> we have to leave it there. jeff toobin and sunny hostin, thank you. coming up, the soldier accused of killing 16 women and children, he doesn't remember it happening. we'll hear from his attorney next. not that we'd ever brag about it. turn right. come on, nine. turn left.

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explorers are planning a new search in july. the american soldier accused of killing 16 citizens in afghanistan doesn't remember what happened. that's the word from attorney for robert bales. he said he was not intock caxin. but he's in shock and he has a gap in his memory. >> did bales tell you he went out and shot the people? >> no. absolutely not. he has an early memory of that evening and he has a later memory of that evening, but he doesn't have memory of in between. >> according to people who have been interviewed, eyewitnesses, sergeant bales went from room to room. he shot 16 people dead including nine children. five are wounded. you're telling me he remembers none of that?

>> that's correct. >> well, the attorney's suggesting that post-traumatic stress disorder may be a factor, but he's not going for an insanity defense. i spoke earlier to dr. sanjay gupta and jeffrey toobin. the attorney said he's pursuing a diminished capacity defense. what does that mean? >> it means he's trying to save him from execution. this is all about the penalty phase. you can start putting on evidence that's useful in the penalty phase. during the guilt phase. but it is a -- it's a mental defense that says to the jury, he's guilty, but don't execute him. >> bales -- sanjay, bales' attorney told cbs that bales has no memory of the incident that left 16 afghan civilians dead if he was involved in that. he said bales has an early memory of the evening a and a later memory, but nothing in between. i suppose you can look at that as, well, that's a convenient legal argument, he has no memory of it, or that there's a medical

reason for that. is that possible? is that typical of someone to completely block something out like that? >> >> well, it is possible. what he's sort of describing is not completely blocking it out. but sort of having the lapses of memory that you describe. it's more uncommon in someone who's undergone a high stress event. yes, i remember i was at the scene but i didn't remember the specifics of that. so they can forget memories, they can add in details that aren't accurate. that is not that uncommon in someone -- but this is very different from an amnesia. where someone is completely blocked out an event or blocked it out because of drugs and alcohol. in this sort of situation, chunks are missing. >> the attorney has suggested that bales was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. do you think that is part of a viable defense or is that also just getting to that diminished

capacity? >> it's really getting to the jury saying, look, we know he's guilty, but we are not going to execute him for this. jurors are very reluctant give someone a break for insanity. that defense almost never works, but surprisingly in really horrific crimes, even in texas, military juries like this where the jury say there is a physical reason why this action took place, whether it's an injury, ptsd and they wind up giving life in prison rather than the death penalty. >> sanjay, you have studied ptsd for years and the effects on troops, could it could lead someone to do something like that? is that a viable defense? >> it's really tough to stay. what jeff said, it's a tough one to prove as well. this is a profound response to a

traumatic event of some sort. people can feel very keyed up. they can feel anxious. no question that can be very debilitati debilitating. the one thing that's unusual here and doesn't seem to fit in with ptsd is this idea of predatory violence. while someone may react out of proportion in response to an event. seemingly harmless event. predatory violence in our investigations we have seen associated with ptsd. >> sanjay though, he did suffer from a traumatic brain injury from a roadside bomb during a previous tour in iraq. what kind of an impact could that have had on his behavior? >> well, you know, i think it's interesting when you think about traumatic brain injury, depends on what part of the brain was traumatized, what exactly happened around that. the way i would describe it is if someone had both frontal lobes, the front part of your brain traumatized this is responsible for judgment. so, you know, this idea that, you know, something bad is happening, i know how to control

that or use my judgment to make the situation better may be impaired. but again the idea that someone won predatory in some way seems unlikely in response. more like the brakes aren't working in someone with bifrontal brain injury and nobody is saying that, as opposed to executing a plan like this. anderson, it's worth pointing out, 230,000 troops or so over the last ten years have had traumatic brain injuries. obviously, thankfully, we don't hear stories like this. >> jeff toobin and sanjay gupta, thank you. i think sanjay made an important distinction between predatory behavior and reactionary behavior. we'll be right back. [ woman ] the blue bomber.

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