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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> that's it for us. thanks for watching. well, mitt romney wins in illinois. it was big. but was it big enough? and what do tonight's results mean for rick santorum? and the u.s. military conducts a simulation, what would an israeli attack on iran mean for america? let's go out. good evening, i'm erin burr nut. "out front" we have breaking news. a big win for romney in illinois. he needed to win it after a few bruising weeks on the trail.
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and let the room -- at the romney campaign headquarter, new jabs at president obama. >> we once built an interstate highway system and the hoover dam. now we can't even build a pipeline. i mean, we once lit the world in manufacturing and exports and now we lead in lawsuits. when we replace the president, that's going to end. >> and rick santorum looking less cheerful, but trying to stay on message. >> we must do out and fight this fight. that's why we must go out in and nominate someone. and understands not just because some pollster tells them, they know in their gut like you do, all across this country, you know big things are adrift and
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at stake in this election. so i ask each and every one of you to join us. >> so where did mitt romney get his support tonight? john king has been analyzing it throughout the day and night. let's start with the county by county map. i always love when you do that. what stood out about who voted for whom and what part of illinois? >> math, math is what politics is in the end. if you pull out the state, you might see rick santorum is winning, he's the purple candidate, but he's not winning. he's not winning because mitt romney is winning in the chicago suburbs by 57% in the cook county suburbs outside chicago. in chicago, governor romney above 50%. up to lake county, governor romney up above 50%. come back down to depage county,
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this is where most of the people in the state live up in here. you have to run up your margin here and hope your opponent doesn't beat you down here. senator santorum winning huge in most of the rural counties, getting near 50% here. in the high 40s here. 47. however, what you have is less populated tea party voters, evangelical voter, christian conservatives. those voters tend to go for senator santorum. his margin is not as big as we saw either in the south or just even in neighboring iowa. but governor romney doing what he needed up here. this has been the consistent romney model and not only win, but win big. that's where the tv advertising is aimed, right in the markets. the market, the tv ads come up. tv counts here. that's all romney spending right there. if you take that away and you see what he did, look at that. so his rivals complain we're
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being outspent, but romney would say money well spent. >> pretty amazing, 21-1 margin in chicago itself in terms of romney versus santorum spending. did anything surprise you or stand out in illinois specifically? >> a couple of nuggets. governor romney won among those who say they're a conservative. that's been particularly difficult in the south. they tend to go either for santorum of late or gingrich in places like south carolina or georgia. governor romney did very well among self-identified conservatives tonight. he also won among those who identified themselves as supporters of the tea party. that is something going forward. he did well among working women. we have had a lot of conversation about the gender gap and among the interesting he won among those who think the economy is getting worse and those who think the economy is getting better. so at both ends of the economic spectrum, he did very well. santorum carried it, but not as
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big as in illinois. is it more moderate or can governor romney carry this momentum over as we move saturday, to louisiana. less friendly territory or the governor romney. but then wisconsin and maryland and district of columbia. romney campaign continuing big on those states. >> thank you very much. earlier tonight before we knew the results and the information that john had, we had four burning questions about the race. john avron and wolf blitzer are here with some answers. number one, we wanted to know whether mitt romney would win convincingly. do you think tonight is convincingly especially when you take into account what john king said, he was able to win among a group he had trouble with before, and that's conservatives. >> a lot more convincingly in illinois than in michigan, a state where he was born or ohio. so it's a divisive and impressive win for all practical purposes. this was a two-man race in
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illinois. ron paul gave up on illinois a long time. newt gingrich was never in the race in illinois. romney spent a lot more money. he won decisively in illinois. >> john avalon, who focuses on the 40% of the electorate who is independent, is this a convincingly win? >> this was a stomping win for mitt romney. it was the most broad based win since in --. he won women voters tonight and conservatives. now some of the fault lines that have been underneath the gop race still exist. strong supporters of the tea party, evangelicals going for rick santorum. you see how rick santorum is doing very well in the rural counties. but a big win for romney tonight and team romney has to feel good. >> and number two is will santorum surprise us? romney did extremely well. did rick santorum surprise to the downside or come in where
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you thought he would? >> i think he came to the downside. the truth is if he's going to grow the brand and he's going to demonstrate he can win a general election he has to do very well in the color counties, because areas like depage county, suburban counties are a lot like northern virginia and suburban philadelphia. that's places that a candidate has to win to win a presidency. >> ryan is talking about the brand of rick santorum, he does seem to be riding on that. you wonder whether he has the organization to keep going and going. i mean, the tweet out of his campaignb, santorum has made $320,000 off sweater vests. now it needs to be more than that. >> $300,000 is not going to go very far in the expensive media market like chicago, for example. he made a major tactical blunder in wasting two days in puerto rico. he got clobbered there over the weekend. he could have spent two days in illinois. he still wouldn't have won, but
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it would have been closer if he spent 48 hours working hard in illinois. during this past week. but, you know what? those are the decisions you make at the time. you've got organizational problems and financial problems. a tough challenge. i'm impressed that santorum has done as well as he has over all of these months because he came from virtually nothing and he was in a severe disadvantage. it's now for all practical purposes a two-man race. romney and santorum. >> he's done on it the power of his personal charisma. without any organization and with probably no expectations of himself. he surged and people meet him fo face to face. >> you can't base the presidential campaign on apparel sales. you have a real problem there. he has to build a real organization. he has louisiana coming up and wisconsin. these are states that he could win. but he can't make the kind of unforced errors he did leading into illinois. >> let's talk about louisiana that made me think about a person who's not come up in the conversation and that's a really
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important -- i'm talking about newt gingrich. question i asked earlier, how low can newt gingrich go? we hear today he's hemorrhaging cash, people haven't been paid say reports. how much longer does he have? >> i think he'll stay in for the duration, but sheldon adelson said he'd be willing to support romney. if your core supporter, the guy who's sustaining you has already acknowledged he'd be happy to support mitt romney that has to be dispiriting. and what does mike huckabee think? if a guy is a charismatic southerner in this race he would he be doing? >> well, he could be leading right now. how low can newt go? even when he gives up a state, doesn't compete he still seems to get around the 10% margin mark. see where the numbers end up.
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he does well for a guy who decamps and says i'm not competing. second thing, he's reading a book on contested primaries throughout history and given newt his self-style historian he's schooling up. when he says i'm taking it to tampa, you have to believe he's the intention. >> he likes sis aecicero. wolf, you know newt so well. you have known him for a long time. he may want to stay in this until the end, but financial matters will determine it. you have to pay your campaign staff and you can't pay them with super pac money. >> i don't think newt gingrich is going to want to emerge from the race for the republican nomination in deep personal bankruptcy, if you will. with a lot of outstanding debt. he's already couple of hundred thousand dollars in debt right now. presumably he'll make it up with fund-raisers if he does drop out. he doesn't want to emerge with a
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few million dollars in personal debt, that couldn't pay some of his contributors, some of the staffer, some of the media experts. that would be, you know, something that i don't think is a newt gingrich -- in newt gingrich's character. but we'll see. he's angry at mitt romney, very angry. you saw that, erin, tonight, in his statement that he made after romney's very impressive win in illinois. he basically said this guy is spending 7-1 and why should the republicans go ahead and nominate someone who spends all that kind of money to win a race like illinois? he's bitter and angry at mitt romney. doesn't like santorum very much either. ron paul is staying in this for the time being because he's got, you know, he's got his own agenda. >> and john, what about women? john king has talked about that. this whole war on women conversation has been important. mitt romney has always, but tonight very much so. >> yes. >> female vote. >> he won the female voters december siesively.
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ann romney said women are coming up and say, talk about the economy, not so much about the other issues. >> okay, thank you all for being here. what a big win for mitt romney tonight. next paul ryan. his budget, he's out with the details. and what happens to the u.s. if israel attacks iran? we have that next. whwheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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tax brackets, 10% and 25%. i had the chance to have a long conversation with the chairman today and i asked what he'd do about the loopholes and tax deduct sdhns? i know the simpson bowls plan. would you now be on board with that? i talked so some home builders and they say they're prepared for that. they think the country could handle it. >> i have heard the same thing from the home builders as well and realtors. what simpson bowles did on the 23% top rate, what we're saying is we want to hear from the country. we want to do this out in the open. with this kind of a rate structure you can afford some of these kinds of deductions was i think should be circumscribed as helping the middle income earners and not higher income earnings. there's still accommodation to still raise the revenues by having these kind of policies. we need to have that kind of
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conversation. i'm on the ways and means committee. we have had some hearings on this and we're trying to get the right combination of things. we're saying dramatically curtail the loopholes in the tax code today. >> do you have any regrets about not voting for simpson-bowles? >> no. >> when i look at the one-page summary and your 98-page report, you're 80% overlap. >> alan and erskine i really like the guys a lot. i'm friends with them. what i didn't want to do was to go to the country and suggest i'm fixing the problem like with simpson-bowles when i'm not, when it doesn't include healthcare. simpson-bowles is silent on those. alice rivlin and i had an amendment to this, to complete the package to have fundamental healthcare entitlement will reform. that was rejected by the elected democrats and as a result it wasn't passed. i didn't think this fixes the problem. simpson-bowles has a lot of good
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things to it and i put a lot of in our budget, but it doesn't fix the problem. i want to fix the problem. i want to stop this debt crisis. i want to stop medicare from going bankrupt and compromising the security of many seniors. >> a lot of people are saying that your plan would hurt the seniors. kaiser permanente, 70% of americans are satisfied with medicare and satisfied with what they get out of medicare. what do you say to them? it sounds like what you're trying to do is not what america wants. >> actually if they look at the details i would argue it is. because they would prefer our plan versus the president's plan. >> why is that? >> because the president's plan which is in law takes half a trillion dollars from medicare to spend on his healthcare law. and then it puts a board of 15 unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats in charge of putting price controls on medicare which will lead to denied care for current seniors. we get rid of that. we get rid of the rationing board, we stop the rate of the
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medicare and we leave the benefit intact for people in and near retirement. but in order to cash flow this commitment to the current seniors we which these we should do, you need to reform it for the next generation. we're about the same age, it's not going to there for us when we retire. there's a bipartisan idea out there, called premium support, just like the plan that members of congress have that says let's give medicare beneficiaries a fee for medicare service included and let them pick around the competing plans like in many other areas of life and subsidize based on need. more for the poor and a lot less for the wealthy person. doing it that way which has bipartisan support saves medicare and helps us keep the commitment to today's seniors. i would think -- it took me five sentences to explain that though, that's the challenge. when you're running against the 30-second ad, but i think the
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country is ready for us. i think the country wants to be talked to like adults and not pandered to like children with the medicare ads. >> picking a healthcare plan is the most horrific thing that -- i never know whether i'm doing the right thing. i never know how to do it. i think there's a real fear of doing that. you pick the wrong one and you're stuck with it. how do you get around that problem that most people don't want to have to pick it? they just know they'll get what they need. >> millions of seniors pick medicare advantaged plans today. they can change it if they want to. many more pick a private part "d" plan tlaand they can change every year. federal employers and members of congress have a list of plans to choose from every year. we pick our plan, it's subsidized we pay the difference. people in life already do this so it's not a big stretch to say we can do it in a better way to save medicare. the guarantee not only for this generation but for the next
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generation. >> on april 3, my state, maryland, and your state wisconsin vote. your state carries more weight. who are you going to vote for? >> i'm not going to touch that with a ten-foot pole. i'm right now the chair of the general election presidential trust of the rnc. so i'm neutral on this. because i'm in charge of the general election fund which we still haven't completed financing. we're winner take all. i don't know what you are in maryland. it's a fairly high stakes outcome. >> will you vote and keep it secret? >> of course i'm going to vote in the primary. >> has anyone directly approached you, any of the three leaders right now, about a vp? >> no. no. it's -- they're not -- they have to win this primary first before they can start thinking about that stuff. >> oh, no, they don't. but that's okay. >> all right. >> they can still think about it. chairman ryan, thank you.
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>> thank you erin. >> interesting things on the horse race and let's start with the budget. what do you make of his defense of his medicare proposal? because that is where he's getting a lot of heat from the democrats. >> that's where he took a lot of heat before. i think he's moved it to work with the democratic senator ron wyden. so he was less susceptible to tax. they'll run the same medicare attack on him. they know that they can get a lot of people who are just frightened of their benefits being taken away. and use it to sort of attack the plan. even though he's trying to make some moves there. credit paul ryan. in all seriousness for creating a clear contrast and a plan that tries to deal with the generational theft and this is such a political document. he goes to the base for taxes and the long-term debt reduction is set out two or three decades out right now because he's so focused on lowering the rates.
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so you know, when i hear him, i get so frustrated about the bowles-simpson vote, he said he wanted to take on the healthcare reform directly. largely for political reasons. so he and his two republican cohorts walked away from the best opportunity for it to be the bipartisan deal. >> of course he he's not going to say i regret it. only one way he could have answered that question, unless he wanted to cause a firestorm. you say, if you could have gotten all that and you think you had a chance this election season which they say they do, although the president looks very strong right now, he would have been able to deal with healthcare anyway. >> it's one of the great lost opportunities of our political cycle. people who say they're thinking of the country and the real fiscal challenges, to walk away from that deal, when their votes, the three votes would have binding and forced congress to vote on a proposal, proposal that would have cut tax rates
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and look to raised revenue like he's proposing today while being serious and have a broad base of support that's a historic lost opportunity that he walked away from and that those who care about the deficit and the debt, this makes the base very happy on the republican side of the aisle, but not that it has a better shot bipartisan support than bowles and simpson. >> and the equity of fairness, it's stormed into the republican dialogue, but first, chris van holland who was on the supercommittee from maryland hit on the issue when he rebutted paul ryan's plan today. here he is. >> the reality is that seniors are going to face the increasing healthcare costs. they're going to go up and they're going to see their taxes go up. because what the budget is proposing is to give over $100,000 in tax cuts if you're a millionaire and squeeze more on middle income taxpayers.
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so the argument here is not whether or not we should reduce the deficit. we have to do that. the question is whether you do it in a lopsided way and puts all the burden on middle income taxpayers. >> what's interesting of course that's the democratic line of thinking but you know when i read the ryan plan, he opens the door -- he made -- and we talked about and the rest of the interview is online. a lot of wealthier americans will pay more under the plan -- >> with the effective tax rate. >> he's lowering the overall rates for most people and getting rid of loopholes. that isn't something that was really part of the republican rhetoric six months ago. >> actually, explicitly the opposite. this was one of the arguments that helped derail the grand bargain. over and abovebowles-simpson. some folks on the conservative side said not. that violates the pledge. here one of the interesting things about the plan is he's
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saying we're going to raise an enormous amount of revenue. >> he said it could double the current revenue in tax. he'd cut the tax rate, but he says he can bring in $2 trillion total by closing the loopholes and he wants to close them. i thought that was a big headline. >> that is a big headline. not the head line he wants out of the plan. >> of course not. >> it goes to the heart of how we know the bipartisan deal can work. that was part of the bowles-simpson idea. you can close loopholes and raise revenue. that should be a win win. only in washington is that not a win-win. we're back to the broad argument. the bad news is the lost opportunities from the bowles-simpson commission, to the supercommittee. >> the supercommittee. >> super fail. >> thanks very much. well, we talked about the two tax rate that he has proposed, 10 and 25%, social issues, the entire conversation available on our blog.
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please let us know what you think of the different aspects. we want your feedback. ahead, what would happen if israel attacked iran? well, the united states military staged a war game simulation of that exact thing. we'll tell you what ended up happening. 7.4 magnitude earthquake rocked mexico today. cnn has reaction from those there and amelia earhart has been missing for 75 years. but now we may have found her plane. [ artis brown ] america is facing some tough challenges right now. two of the most important are energy security and economic growth. north america actually has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. a large part of that is oil sands. this resource has the ability to create hundreds of thousands of jobs. at our kearl project in canada, we'll be able to produce these oil sands
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about. where we focus on the own reporting, do the work and find the out front five. first, the big news tonight. republican front-runner mitt romney won the illinois primary. cnn projects based on results and exit polls. romney will pick up the largest share of the state's 54 delegates up for grabs tonight. rick santorum will finish second. newt gingrich and ron paul far behind. the latest election results are running on the bottom of your screen. number two, 7.4 magnitude irk rocked southern mexico today. at least 800 homes collapsed in a town near the quake's epicenter. however, it's unclear how many people are hurt. the videos shown shows a bus crushed by a collapsed bridge. cnn spoke with some tourists in the resort town of acapulco, who felt the quake, but not a lot of damage there. number three, the attorney
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for robert bales, accused of killing 16 afghan civilians, said he'll travel to afghanistan to conduct his own investigation. he met with bales for a second day at ft. leavenworth. he said his client has not confessed to the shootings and he spoke about what his client has been asking. >> his first questions were about safety and security of his -- and then the second series of questions were about his family. he never once mentioned his own plight. >> he is expected to be charged on thursday. number four, cnn has learned that president obama will fast track the permit for the second half of the keystone pipeline. he'll make the announcement later. in january, you may recall the obama administration denied a permit for the keystone
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pipeline, but this other segment is for oklahoma down to gulf of mexico. it's 229 days since the united states lost the top credit rating. well, $75.4 billion was sent to the u.s. treasuries. the profits came from assets, mortgage related assets that the fed required during the financial crisis. well, this talk of action against iran continue, the country's supreme leader tells the world today that iran will attack if it has to defend itself. >> we do not have nuclear weapons and we shall not build nuclear weapons, but should the enemy be aggressive towards us, whether the united states or the zionist regime, we will respond and reciprocate proportionally. >> and big news today, a war
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games simulated by the u.s. military found that an israeli strike against iran could result in a war and the death of hundreds of americans. now, that story was first reported in "the new york times." and the national security reporter broke the story. he's here tonight, along with a former commander from the pentagon. good to see both of you. mark, let me start with you. i know obviously you broke this story. tell me what happened in the simulation first. israel was the first to strike, correct? >> that's right. the warplaners at central command started the war game by having an israel lirr strike on iranian nuclear sites. they wanted to see what was possible to happen afterwards. and the way the scenario played out was iran responded not only with strikes against israel, but seeing -- thinking that the u.s. was complicit in the strike they launched strikes against u.s. forces in the gulf and specifically launched a missile
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strike that hit a u.s. frigate killing about 200 sailors. this was one scenario, but it was interesting how it played out and it had an indelible mark on the commanders at sent com. they're trying to figure out how to keep the united states out, but it's difficult. >> you're talking about 200 armed forces members dying, there could be so-called say symmetric responses where iranian sponsored groups can ingauge in terror attacks in other countries, perhaps the united states. >> that's a big concern in the military. they didn't include that in this simulation, but one of the big fears instead of doing the sort of standard missile strike in retaliati retaliation, they would use hezbollah or others to launch strikes against u.s. embassies in the region or other u.s. interests. it would be harder to sort of control even for those kind of strikes. >> colonel, how accurate would you say this sort of war simulation was? >> erin, it's pretty accurate.
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internal look is an exercise that i participated in back in 2002 and as mark mentioned this is one of those exercises that centcom has done for quite a while. it's a thorough exercise and one that is based on as much realistic intelligence as you can use to craft the scenario and also to see what the responses would be. and they did a pretty good job from what i can tell. >> what would you say, colonel, this means in terms of what the u.s. military is assuming the likelihood of such a situation is? >> i think it's at least above 60% likelihood. it is one of the areas where you try to plan for the worst case and hope for the best case, but the military philosophy is to obviously prepare as much as they can in order to avoid a surprise or to avoid a worst case scenario such as the loss of over 200 sailors. >> mark, interesting question, interesting there about the odds, they're not sure it's going to happen, but a 60%
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chance. i think one of the most interesting things about your reporting even with this situation, there wouldn't be a big setback for the iranian nuclear program, correct? >> well, yeah, i mean, people would debate on the big setback. the way that the game played out, the original israeli strike would set back the program an estimated year. and that there was a subsequent american strike after there had been u.s. forces that were hit. that estimated a setback of another two years. some people would argue that's quite significant and worth it. others would say is it worth risking a regional war for setting it back for a couple of years. that's the type of thing not only debated in washington, but also israel. the crux of the issue right now. >> and colonel lleyton, i know some of the main simulation didn't assume that the united states came out with the massive 30,000 -- those 30,000 ton m.o.p.'s as you call them.
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>> that's right. and the key thing about that, erin, those 30,000 pound bombs cannot be delivered technically by israel. they don't have the aircraft to do that. they would need a b-52 or b-2 to make that happen. and the only country that has those is of course the united states. so what you're seeing here is a scenario that they believe might happen. but they're also using its to prepare for other scenarios. what you see is a way in which the military is looking at this situation and trying to work its way through different possibilities. kind of like a tree with many branchs. >> final world to you, mark. any word of other type of scenarios they may have run? is this the most dramatic and dire, or other wins that went went farther? >> well, the reason they ran this game is to test whether they're ready for the type of scenarios. if israel were to strike, would central command forces be prepared, could they
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communicate, would that be command and control? certainly this was not the most dire scenario because they could have used hezbollah strikes and this type of thing. it gets increasingly complicated and this as we say in the story, general mattus thought this turned out scary enough. they're thinking of the possibilities that could be scarier. >> well, thank you very much, both of you. we appreciate it. next on "out front", the search expanding for the gunman in france. after horrific, grabbing a little girl by the hair. when the gun didn't work, grabbing another gun and killing her. could he be planning another attack? and the shooting death of a teenager, trayvon martin. who he was on the phone with before he was killed and what she heard. [ male announcer ] this is lawn ranger -- eden prairie, minnesota.
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we do this at the same time every night, outer circle where we reach out to our sources around the world and we begin in transwhere police are ramping up that are search for the gunman who shot and killed four people including three children outside a jewish school yesterday. the killer could be planning another attack and i asked how the authorities are planning to track down the shooter. >> erin there's massive manhunt underway here. 200 special investigators combing every lead, looking at more than 4,000 hours worth of
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cctv footage and one suggested that the gunman might have been wearing a camera strapped to his chest when he gunned down the four victims in this jewish school. another possibility that investigators are looking at is whether he might have been after filluated -- affiliated with a group dismissed for neo-nazi tendenci tendencies. they do know that there's a pattern. it was the same gun, the gunman coming on a motor bike and shooting at point blank range. a huge hunt underway for a plan that police believe could hit again. well, was it self-defense or murder in cold flood? a family of 17-year-old trayvon martin says it was murder and there is new evidence that may help prove their case. martin's girlfriend told abc's "good morning america" she was on the phone with trayvon when he encountered with 28-year-old
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george zimmerman, a volunteer night watchman. here she is describing that final call. >> he said there was someone watching him. so he put the hoody on. -- following him and he said, what are you doing around here? someone pushed trayvon. >> the phone line went dead seconds later, but a martin family attorney said that the girlfriend blows away claims of self-defense. zimmerman has not been charged in the case which has sparked claims of racial profiling and is being investigated by the fbi as a possible hate crime. as you know, part of the reason he had not been take into custody is florida state law. the investigation opens up the possibility for that to happen. and we have a criminal defense attorney and a defense attorney. trayvon's girlfriend was on the phone. once police interview her, does this affect whether they'll take
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him into custody or not? >> i sure hope it does. the problem here is what they failed to do. as a police department. if you have a dead person, it's a homicide case. you do your investigation and you reach out to people. there were so many things and lapses in judgment here that occurred that it's mind boggling. for example, he wasn't tested for alcohol or drugs. there's so many questions here. it almost begs an arrest. a self-defense argument, let's not forget it's an affirmative defense. in other words, you do the investigation, the person shows up for the grand jury hearing or arraignment. you don't just dismiss things and not go forward with the investigation. >> and george zimmerman didn't say much to the police. he said i was yelling for someone to help me, nobody would help me. he what did have a bloody nose and a cut on the back of the head. does that make it more difficult to say that self-defense is not
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a fair claim? >> not necessarily. florida stand your ground law says you have to meet force with force. he had a bag of skittles. how is it that you can confront someone and then all of a sudden claim that you feared for you life? it's a contradiction. >> how hard is this going to be to prove, take out the racial profiling part for a moment. just the fact that it was done not in self-defense. that bottom line question, because we have just these couple of phone calls, the 911 call. what is the burden of proof? >> if he's charged with murder, the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt. that's the problem here. there's been no charge. so it begs the question where is the investigation? where is the justice? that happened in all cases like this. >> let's talk about the civil rights aspect of this because you have the department of justice involved, the fbi. how difficult is it to prove this is a civil rights case?
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>> well, what the fbi does, they'll have a two-pronged approach. they'll see if there was any bias in george zimmerman's acts and that's how they prosecute under federal civil rights statutes. he violated the civil rights because of his actions. the second is they look to see if there was any color of abuse. color of law abuse, rather. in other words, did law enforcement fail to act because of bias? and therein lies another violation of civil rights. >> could have been the police department who had a racial -- >> by failing to act. usually you see it in cases where the police will overact. right, they're arresting a defendant and they may have excessive use of force. it's called color of law abuse. so you have a two-pronged approach. what could occur also is that the fbi can monitor what the state is doing. and also avail themselves for additional resources such as forensic evidence. assistance in, you know, closing
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out the case. >> i mean, it's hard, you're an attorney, you're trying to deal with facts and laws, but what's your sense of how this will play out? do you expect him to be charged an arrested? >> i do expect him to be charged an arrested, only because there's so little evidence to the contrary. if you were claiming self-defense, there has to be more evidence. i'm give you an example, someone breaks in, you have a potential thief walking into the store and is shot dead. that makes sense. you don't have that here. that is problem. you need a proper investigation. that's what's lacking. >> thank you very much. we appreciate i. well, mitt romney wins in illinois tonight. but at what cost? there was a cost. a steep one. we have the number. and possible new developments in the amelia earhart case. that's right. we're serious. the real world. it has under-seat storage to bring everything, available seating for up to seven people to take everyone,
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we all know the story of amelia earhart, the legendary pilot that vanished on july 2, 1937. while trying to become the first woman to circumnavigate the globe. president roosevelt sent 66 planes and nine navy ships looking for her, but she was never seen again. what happened to her is still one of the greatest mysteries of awful time and it captivated me as a girl.
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in her avenuuatiator hat, i adm her glamorousness and when asked who do i admire, it was amelia earhart. and her plane went down in on my birthday in the year my mother was born. i believed in omens. so today when i saw that now they might finally have found her plane, i was fascinated. in july, on her birthday, the international group for historic aircraft recovery will launch a new search to coincide with the 75th anniversary of her departure. enhanced analysis of a photograph that was actually taken just a couple of months after her plane vanished shows what experts what could be the landing gear of the plane. it will last ten days in july and it will use state of the art robotic submarines and mapping equipment. it's received the interest and support of hillary clinton. i'm betting hillary admired her too. now, the only thing is part of me f
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