p.m. eastern. international viewers can go to our website for air times, cnn.com/fareed. cnn projects rick santorum has won the louisiana presidential primary, giving the former pennsylvania senator another victory in the south. our tom forman is in washington. joe johns is in new orleans. crystal wright is in d.c. and monitoring rick santorum in green bay, wisconsin, to see if he speaks live in a moment. let's get straight to tom

forman, who has been tracking the data all evening for us. tom, what can you have tell us about rick santorum's win? you have been monitoring all the metrics here. we've seen you standing at the magic walls. so we want to get to tom forman, as well as tell you again, we are monitoring again green bay, wisconsin. rick santorum is standing by. tom, what do you know? >> reporter: well, we know that one of the things that made a difference tonight was the religious vote. if we look at the turnout here, you look at the voters who came

i'll ask what it will take for mitt romney to nail down the nomination as rick santorum continues to challenge. and the woman behind the campaign surge, karen santorum. what she thinks of charges that her husband is anti-women. >> it makes me really sad that the media tries to do that to him. they try to make it look like

he's something that he's not. rick is a great guy. he's completely supportive of women. he's surrounded by a lot of very strong women. and i think women have nothing to fear when it comes to contraceptives. he will do nothing on that issue. >> we begin tonight with our big story, an exclusive interview with anne romney. and the candidate's wife joins me now. tell me this. it's been a rough old campaign. everyone accepts that. i always think most of them are anyway. but it's been especially rough. and i suppose one of the things that's leveled against your husband a lot is he's not very lovable. people don't seem to fall for him in the way that they did with barack obama, for instance, when he got elected. you obviously have been in love with him for 43 years. what do you think the public aren't seeing about your husband that they should be seeing? >> well, to begin with, i don't accept the premise. so that's, you know, that's one thing. and once people do see him, it's a totally different thing. at so many of the rallies we go to, the most common refrain is he's so great.

you know? and that's -- unfortunately, everyone wants to portray you in a certain way, put you in that box. and so it's my job, it's a great job that i have right now, of making sure that people see the other side of mitt, the fun side of mitt, and the loving father, husband, grandfather and what a just super guy he is. >> what has been the most offended you felt as his wife on the campaign so far? >> you know, i think sometimes -- you know, what happened -- i will tell you, piers, what happened to me last time, four years ago, is the misrepresentations about records and different things like that where they make you feel as though you're not being honest or you're not true to yourself, which could not be further from the truth. and that was why after, you know, four years ago after we got out and dropped out of the race i did turn to mitt and said, look, i'm never doing this again. just so you know, i've had it. and that's the sentiment you

had. you were very fed up with it. going into it this time, i of course went in completely committed to doing this again because i really believe our country's in trouble and i really believe mitt is the right guy. but i went in with a different attitude this time and recognize that this is what happens in the campaign and these things happen. and it's hard to do, and i have to remind myself all the time, but to not take things personally. and it is a hard thing to do and to remind yourself, i have to remind myself all the time, not to take things personally. and recognize that is just part of what's involved in running. but if you believe in your message, i believe in my husband, i believe he can turn things around, i believe he has the right skill set, the right experience to be able to really be an effective president, then you just keep putting your head down and going forward. i totally believe in him and was the one pushing him this time to say i know i said that, but i hate to tell you, honey, but

you've got to do this again because the country needs you. >> you're certainly emerging as a secret weapon for him. i want to play a little clip of that back to you and then talk to you afterwards. >> let me tell you something else that's happening. women are coming to me and saying, will you please talk about deficit spending and budgets? i'm loving that. loving that. women are angry. they're angry about the legacy we're going to leave their children and grandchildren. and i'm going to tell them something. i've got somebody here that can fix it. >> feisty stuff there from anne romney. what's been interesting about the debate is it's been very skewed toward social issues and there's been this kind of rising sense that the republican candidates en masse have been slightly anti-women's rights. what do you think about the way that debate's been framed? >> well, you know, again, i really meant what i said last night because i have been in every -- practically every state of this nation and i've been

speaking to hundreds of people every single day and seeing people. and this is what women are coming up to me and speaking about, their frustration with government right now, the frustration with the size of government, the frustration that, you know, that women are just generally generous. i think they're just generous and they want to leave something much better for their children. and they're very frustrated that they're thinking that this is not going to be the case for them, that their children are not going to be better off. and it's because of the overspending that we're doing now and we're not taking responsibility for our actions. and they're extremely frustrated. and so for me when i hear all the other talk about social issues, i'm going that's not what i hear when i'm out on the trail. this is what i'm hearing. it's an economic message that i'm hearing. it's a frustration about government spending too much and not balancing budgets. and they say very common sense things to me. they say, look, i know how to balance my budget.

i know, you know, my husband's business or my business or whatever i'm doing, we have to balance our budgets. why is this going on, this irresponsible behavior? and so i think what they're sensing is that it is, again, it's the legacy we're going to leave our children and grandchildren. we don't want to have to feel like they're underwater before they even start out. and we know how that's going to impact their lives. >> and how important has been the endorsement of jeb bush? he's been keeping his powder dry and he's finally come out. many have said, look, big win in illinois, then the jeb bush endorsement. this has been a very significant, maybe even the game-changing moment. >> i thought it was a very significant thing to do. we didn't know he was going to endorse. we didn't have any heads-up at all. the phone rang, and it was jeb. and you know, i didn't hear jeb's side of the conversation, but i could sort of tell what was going on. and i was -- i was delighted. you know, he's a very important

voice in our party. i respect him enormously. but i will tell you barbara bush is also, you know, out there fighting for us, too. so that's been great. to have jeb's endorsement i think is a huge, huge day for us. >> and on a slightly more slippery note, how is your etching and sketching going? have you been having words with mitt's senior aides about their little gaffe today? >> you know, this is the distractions -- these are what -- this is exactly what happens in a campaign, where you get these distractions. and obviously he was talking about how we're going to change focus and we're going to change, you know what we're going to do, the organizational sense of changing, not mitt changing positions. and so these are just the frustrations you have to deal with in a campaign. and, of course, it makes for great media. it's a distraction. it's a distraction because what we're talking about is an economic message. it's a jobs message. it's talking about, you know,

capping spending, balancing budgets. >> are you going to make eric write out -- are you going to make eric write out 100 times on an etch and sketch "i'm very sorry"? >> i think that's a great idea, piers. great idea, piers. we'll have him do that tomorrow. >> let me ask you this. robert de niro's apologized today because he made this joke about all the wives of the republican candidates. and saying america isn't ready for a white first lady. which seems to have upset everybody. what was your view of that? >> i laughed. you know what? i took it for what it was, a joke. and you know, again, we take everything so seriously, we have to be so correct and everyone has to apologize. and i can say, you know what? i can laugh at it. that's just let's take it for what it is. we're all overreacting to so many things and making things so difficult, which means we have to watch every single word that comes out of our mouth. we can't be spontaneous. we can't be funny. i will tell you in politics the fastest way to get in trouble is to make a joke.

so i think robert de niro has just learned that. >> robert de niro in the clear. anne romney, it's been a real pleasure. and again, i wish a very happy anniversary to you and mitt. >> oh, thanks so much. >> coming up next, karen santorum answers charges that her husband is anti-women. we want to protect the house. right. but... home security systems can be really expensive. so to save money, we actually just adopted a rescue panther. i think i'm goin-... shhh! we find that we don't need to sleep that much. there's an easier way to save. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. i have twins, 21 years old. each kid has their own path. they grow up, and they're out having their life.

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>> how funny. >> tell me how your husband's getting on. last time i spoke to you was a very personal interview with you and your family. and if the full rigors of this campaign were beginning to kick in. how do you think he's faring? >> piers, rick is amazing. he is so optimistic. he's a guy who stays strong. and he just amazes me. i've known him a very long time. and he's not the kind of guy who gets down and out or loses his energy. and he's staying strong and i just love that about him. he's a really neat guy that way. >> he looks -- a rather british phrase. but he looks like he's got his gander up. which is a sort of euphemism for he's beginning to beat his chest with the expectation that he's gone from being this rank outsider to somebody who now wakes up and thinks you know what? i could actually win this. >> it's so exciting, piers.

because he's -- you know, he did the hundreds of town hall meetings. and when no one believed in him, he kept at it. he kept at the message. and he loves grassroots. he loves going and meeting with people and talking to them about the issues and hearing about what's on their minds and sharing his ideas and hearing other people's ideas. and that fortified him and kept him going. and he draws strength from things like that. so now, it's very exciting to watch this unfold and see what's happening. and, you know, it's been a wonderful journey. >> one of the big things that's gripping i guess the whole race at the moment is this question of women's rights and women's issues. and john mccain was pretty strong on "meet the press." i'll read you what he said. he said, quit think there's a perception out there because of the way this whole contraception issue has played out, we need to get off that issue in my view. we ought to respect the rights of women to make choices in their lives." what did you think of that? >> exactly. i completely agree. and the unfortunate thing is when rick was asked the when rick was asked the question he said these are my personal beliefs.

and the press kept asking him the issue about it again and again. rick is brilliant with national security and jobs and health care. and the economy. and for some reason the press kept wanting to go back to it. and really what it is, continuities an issue about contraception. it's an issue about personal freedoms. and the fact that the government should not be making people go against their conscience. we all have -- i think most people in america respect freedom of religion. and i think the real issue is not forcing people to go against their conscience and do things that they really don't think is right. >> when you say you agree with everything john mccain said, do you agree with him when he says we ought to respect the right of women to make choices in their lives? because that's a pretty fundamental step away i would say from what rick has been saying. >> abs- -- well, it depends on what you're referring to.

absolutely. with jobs. contraceptives we feel differently. but with contraceptives -- with women wanting to be in the workforce or women wanting to be at home, with how they choose to live their lives, get married, be single. you know, there are so many different decisions. so i don't know what john mccain was referring to. but i would agree with him with that. >> i think he was specifically talking about the issue of contraception which has been so dominant. i know that because of your catholic faith you have a strong position on this. you've also got young daughters, of course. people will say how do you feel about changing times? i mean, they're going to grow up. they're going to grow up in an era which is -- you know, contraception is widely prevalent amongst young women in this country. and many of them are thinking if rick santorum becomes president what does it mean for me? is he anti-women?

is he anti-us having contraception? >> not at all. >> what is his view? >> not at all. he's not anti-woman. and i can tell you, i'm a registered nurse. i'm a lawyer. i'm an author of two books. when i was doing my book tours, piers, rick was the one who was home changing diapers and making meals and cleaning the kitchen. he's been 100% supportive of me and my dreams and my career. it was my decision to stay home and be a mom at home. and someday when i go back to work, rick will be 100% behind me. so it makes me really sad that the media tries to do that to him. they try to make it look like he is something that he's not. rick is a great guy. he's completely supportive of women. he's surrounded by a lot of very strong women. and i think women have nothing to fear when it comes to contraceptives. he will do nothing on that issue. i think the issue was what i had said about the religious freedom issue and not allowing the

government to be intrusive in our lives and force us to do something against our conscience. >> when you say he'll do nothing on the contraceptions issue, do you mean that if he was to become president that he would basically respect a woman's right to have contraception if that's what she chose to do? >> absolutely. and he has said that. >> i mean, that seems to me to be a pretty fundamental conclusion to this debate. because that's what people have been saying. would rick santorum bring his personal religious beliefs to play as president? and from what you've just said i would imagine the answer is not necessarily. >> not in that area -- no, absolutely not. and again, i think the issue is the government forcing people to go against their conscience. that's really the issue here that we're referring to. >> now, let's move on to what he told me when he last appeared on my show. because i like this. he basically said that after he came out with his snobbery jibe against president obama you rang him up and gave him a right

earful, karen. let's watch this. >> i can get pretty wrapped up about, you know, how important this country is to not just providing a great future for our children but also for the world. and sometimes i get a little -- you know, say the wrong word. and as you know, you know my bride very, very well. usually the phone rings very quickly if she isn't there in person to say, you know, rick, you went -- you shouldn't have said that. >> so come on. how often do you pick that phone up and say rick, you shouldn't have said that? >> well, we talk a lot throughout the day, piers. we talk many times about the campaign and what's happening. and i'm a news junkie. so i like to know what's going on. i'm either on the trail with rick now or i'm at home taking care of the kids. it's a big juggling act right now. but you know, we do that. i think it's part of the joy of being married. you know, where you're always talking things over and correcting each other or talking about how you could have done better or what you should have said or what you may should not have said. >> you've had to put up as a family with some really tough

times. and i've discussed this with you in person when we met. and i found it profoundly moving. how is your little girl at the moment? because it must be an agonizing conflict on a daily basis, putting the campaign one side, the health of your daughter on the other. >> bella is doing great. thank you for asking, piers. i appreciate you asking. she is such a beautiful, sweet girl. and she's healthy. it's funny reading articles. when people would actually write about my little girl and they really aren't accurate at all with what they're saying. people are saying she has a terminal illness, and she doesn't. her life is fragile, but bella's doing great. she's strong. she's healthy right now. and i thank god for that. we have so many people praying for her. but someday i want you to meet her. someday i'm going to bring her to you. >> i would love to. >> she's a very joyful child and she has taught us so much about what's most important in life. and it is a juggling act. i mean, definitely a big juggling act right now with trying to juggle family life and

taking care of a special needs child. i'm her caregiver. rick and i take care of her. we didn't get a night nurse until much later. and it's -- you know, we had to get some sleep. when i'm there during the day, i love taking care of bella. and she's just a sweet, sweet angel. and i feel blessed, truly blessed to be her mom. >> and you should. and she's very lucky to have you too, i think. >> thank you. >> let me ask you this. we discussed earlier about rick's reputation. maybe portrayed by the media as being maybe slightly anti-women's rights. you obviously love him very much. if he becomes president of the united states, and there's going to be a chance now this could happen, if he does why should american women also love your husband? >> well, because he's a man who cares deeply about the heart and soul of america. and he cares deeply about all people. 100% of people. the rich, the poor, the in between. men, women, children. people with disabilities.

we've got a real passion for that at the santorum house. but women, rick has done so much legislatively to support women. and you know, he's a man of deep faith, a man of conviction. and he's a man of courage. he's consistent. a lot of people say, you know, rick, i don't agree with everything you say, but i like you and i'm going to vote for you because you're consistent. you say the same thing everywhere you go. and i know that i can trust you. and that means a lot to a lot of people. >> i think that's a very valid point. i've got another guest coming out in a moment. senator scott brown who came out with this little joke at your expense. in rick santorum's case the first time he's ever actually used protection, he said about his secret service. did you find that funny? >> he's -- sometimes you just have to laugh. i've reached a point now where i shout out a lot of things because i know it can be pretty nasty. i continue to pray, and i ask my children to pray for the other families out there who are also

in this campaign because it's hard for everyone. you know, i thought that was sort of funny. sometimes you have to just laugh. and other times you just sort of shut it out and ignore it. >> well, i'm going to bring him out now. we'll confront him with his own humorous demons. >> thank you. >> karen santorum, thank you so much for joining me. i really enjoyed it. good luck with the campaign. it's tough on all the families and you do a terrific job for your husband. and i think everybody respects that. so thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you so much, piers. good to be with you. coming up, a man who has caused a bit of a stir this weekend with his joke at rick santorum's expense. let's bring him out here for a public flogging. [ amy ] mr. greene? yeah? want my downy unstopables? laundry smells good for a long time. okay. ♪ ♪ downy unstopables [ sniffs ] hey kid... wow! no thanks, mean joe.

hello, everyone. i'm don lemon live at the cnn world headquarters in atlanta. we have some breaking news. as we reported at the top of the hour, cnn projects rick santorum has won the louisiana primary, giving the former pennsylvania senator another win in the south. take a look at the numbers now. 46% for rick santorum as we speak. mitt romney 28%. newt gingrich 18%. and 6% for ron paul. of course, it's only 19% of the entire electorate and everyone who's voted.

hey, listen, i want to bring in our political director now, mark preston in washington. give us some analysis of this, mark. >> well, don, of course as you see rick santorum has got a big win in regards to momentum for this race for the republican presidential nomination. interesting stuff here.

another story. breaking news we're following tonight involving the former vice president of the united states, dick cheney, mark. >> yes, don. a story we've been following for the last couple of hours now. we've learned that dick cheney is recovering in a suburban washington, d.c. hospital after undergoing a heart transplant. the former vice president's heart problems 4 been very well documented. and his office tells us that he has been on the cardiac transplant list for more than 20 months. right now, don, dick cheney is in an intensive care unit and his office does tell us as well that they don't know the identity of the donor. don, dick cheney is 71 years old. we'll have more on this story next hour. that can help lower cholesterol? honey nut cheerios.

you obviously have been in love with him for 43 years. what do you think the public aren't seeing about your husband that they should be seeing? >> well, to begin with, i don't accept the premise. so that's, you know, that's one thing. and once people do see him, it's a totally different thing. at so many of the rallies we go to, the most common refrain is he's so great. you know? and that's -- unfortunately, everyone wants to portray you in a certain way, put you in that

>> that's what the president would like to do, to take away from the fact that we are at record high debt and deficit, borrowing 42 cents on every dollar, there are so many things that are happening that are coming to fruition, and we need to move very quickly. by the end of this year, this country is going to be in very difficult shape. so me and others, people of good will are trying to push our leaders and trying to push the administration to start to focus on these important things.

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update overnight. look at this map. it shows how santorum swept every parish but one, it seems. since tom foreman has been crunching the numbers. so, tom, what with are the numbers showing you? >> oh, man. they show us what's behind that map are some real trends they have to pay attention to. number one is the economy. look at this. that was the big issue that everyone was voting on. 51% of the people that we surveyed said that was the big issue for them there. look at what happened there.

we break it down by how much money they make. that made a bi. but all of that said, don, one thing you have to bear in mind. is there good news here for romney? maybe in this regard. for all of it, overwhelming vote, who's most likely to beat obama in for all the people who took part, 44% think mitt romney is the one by this big, big margin. the simple truth is, if there's a silver lining for all of this for mitt romney, that may be it. don? >> very cool numbers crunching. love the magic wall. i'm a bit jealous.

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senator scott brown, before we go any further, a tweet -- please ask senator brown when he will run for president. >> you actually want me to comment on that?

>> yes. >> i'm running for reelection. if he wants to help me, he can go to scottbrown.com and do just that. >> i remember when you came on before, when you tell that whole story of massachusetts, winning that seat finally, from the democrats, after teddy kennedy left the stage, after 30 years. against all the odds, and i've watched your progress since and you read the esquire profile and your positioning with mitt romney going forward, you start to think, this guy 0 is getting serious, he's thinking in his mind, this may be the time coming up now, next two or three years, decision time. >> no, no. listen, the only thing i'm deciding is what we're going to have after the show to drink. >> you're buying. >> of course. i didn't expect anything less. listen, i'm trying to get reelected. i think it's important to have me in the senate right know, especially because of the gridlock. and i am the second most bipartisan senator there. by me working across party lines and being that bipartisan senator it's enabling things to

get done, a free trade agreement, the fact we did the hire hero 3% trading bill, we just passed the states that's approved gay marriage. how do you feel about that? >> it is settled. everybody's moved on. >> do people care that much? those who argue against it say this is like the end of civilization. >> some people care and others moved on. we are concerned about how they are going to pay the mortgage, gay and straight. they are wondering how they will pay their mortgage. are their kid and families cogoing to come home safe as they travel the country and the world, deficit spending, jobs and security. we have moved on and and i encourage everyone to else to move on. it should be decided on a state by state basis and i'm focusing on other things. >> if you are mitt romney that

wins, you don't want to squabble with social issues. >> listen, that's what the president would like to do to take away from the fact that we are at record high debt and deficit. we are borrowing 42 cents on every dollar that we don't have a balanced budget amendment that the post office is having trouble. so many things are happening and coming to fruition. we need to move quickly by the end of the year the country will be just in very difficult shape. me and others, who are people of good will, are trying to push leaders, trying to push the administration to start to focus on these important things. >> what do you do if president obama gets to october and says i told you i would rescue us from the terrible mess the republicans put us in. guess what, the jobless figures are now the best they have been since maybe two or thee years before i came along. he would have maybe said gas prices would have come back to normal. house prices. say the economy generally --

>> that would be wonderful. >> would you say that he is wonderful. or would you say you are a disaster. >> i commended the president when he's done well and respectfully disagre when i disagree with him. try to make sure we don't have the rush limbaughs and the bill mahers and those people hammering away and creating the rhetoric and discourse. i'm not going to hammer the president one day and asking him for help on an issue the next day. we need to work together. bottom line. >> i like this. >> which you like it or not. gas prices, theorizing. homeownership is -- the home prices are falling. the other issues you were talking about, we're in deep trouble. if we do nothing we will be like europe and greece and other countries. >> how do you keep america great? >> we need to get our debt and deficit under control. >> other than that? >> no, that's the key. >> assuming you do that, what else do you do to maintain america's greatness in the world. >> create jobs and create an environment for jobs. i have a crowd funding bill.

it is a mechanism where you can give people up to $1,000, a million dollar total to avoid sec filings and using that as seed money to move forward to create a new set of financing for startup businesses. that's where the jobs are. >> what about my constant nagging problem with a company like apple who sell 3 million new ipads in one day apparently last week with. and yet they still employ massively large sums of people in china than they do in america. why argument is why don't they bring 10% of the work force from china back to america. take the hit. i reckon they sell 4 million ipads next time. >> from the president from apple on. >> what do you think. >> i think you need to make america competitive again. >> shouldn't it be the successful company s -- >> there's a lack of stability.

people and businesses don't know what is next. there's a wet blanket over people. there's so much inaddition, the high corporate tax rate, high cost can of health care and what is happening with that and it is draining businesses. they don't know what is next. mast mals the medical device companies are getting crushed by the tax as part of obamacare. that's why i voted to repeal it. it is crushing massachusetts. >> wouldn't it be nice if a company as phenomenally successful as apple would take the lead here. i love their products. i don't like the fact they employ so many people outside of america. >> listen, that would be great if they would come back. you need to make it competitive and create an environment to hire and grow, not only in massachusetts but throughout the country. when you pay 35% corporate tax rate compared to ireland that is 12% and lower health care and unemployment, lower cost of energy, they have an obligation to stockholders. i'd love them to come back.