last question to you, if he was sitting next to you right now and you could look him in the eye, what would you say? >> i would say carson, i hope you take the opportunity to go to the l.a. rebellion game against san diego armada in the l.a. area. those are two members of the the international gay rug by association board. they are welcoming to people of every sexual orientation and every race and color and creed and they would welcome you and you could learn a lot. and there you would see some burly guys who could very well be your colleagues on the next distressed flight you take. >> to take down some ranting pilot. my pleasure meeting you. thank you for coming on. >> thank you brooke. >> i want so begin the shooting death with unarmed florida teenager, trayvon martin peeling back the layers. trayvon martin is black.

the man who admitted shooting him had been identified as hispanic or white hispanic. there's disputes over whether zimmerman used a racial slur when he called 911 after the shooting. but right now, the public has seen no definitive evidence that race played a role in this incident. still, that's not at all stopping all this rhetoric. you have a white supremist hacker claiming h he broke into trayvon martin's e-mails accounts and has evidence show heavyweight's a drug dealer. we're seeing more even more examples of this each and every day. there are so many people who see racial come poebt to this case.

ment as you have been watching the coverage of this case, what do you find most troubling? >> well, i think what's most troubling i can't help think back to rodney king, back to the o.j. trial and the fact that this case is becoming increasingly racially polarized and quickly getting to the point where i don't think we're going to be able to talk about this case and talk about trayvon martin and the issues surrounding it in any kind of productive way. >> that's unfortunate because as you know, a as professor, we should have this discourse, we should be able to have this national conversation. and part of it has been on social media. and we have seen hate-filled tweets by people who, you know,

sit there behind their computer, they can tweet whar they want. have you ever seen it get this bad in terms of this hateful rhetor rhetoric online? >> not that i can remember. and i sat over the last two or three days and literally looked over hundreds of thousands of facebook posts, twitter posts, things out there .a enthe type of language being used, the types of accusations being made. really just untenable when we try to talk about and speak productively about race in america, about racial injustice. many of us see it as racially wrong with the way that things are going in this nation. how can we have this level of discourse when the issue is so polarizing.

>> as hard as it may be, we need to keep our passions in check. i'm not saying not to be emotional. i identify with trayvon martin surrounding his case. we have to let our emotions be tempered with reason and let our language reflect our intention to really move forward, to have a dialogue, be productive in pointing out not only what's wrong but how we can move forward. i think it's difficult to move forward when you can't even engage anyone in a conversation because our rhetoric has become so polarized and so damaging. >> when you talk about the rhetoric and you think what ask the root of some of this disagreement. what race george zimmerman is, to people just need to be mad and they just don't know how to be mad at here? >> i think that's part of it. and i think that in part because

so many of us really identified with the case very early on and really saw it as a form of racial injustice, i think what happened was very quickly folks on the other side, whites, people who did not agree with that particular viewpoint tended to get implicated in these calls for looking at racial injustice. and when they hear racism and hear a system or criminal justice system that is racist and unjustly dealing with black men and boys, they see them themselves implicated in that. and i think taking that sort of personally tends to put both people back in the same corner. what we end up with is two sides equally committed to their cause and all of a sudden trey voon martin and george zimmerman are turned into both heroes and villains and we cast our full emotions and protections on them.

and so martin becomes, or zimmerman becomes a god or devil, good or evil, hero or villain. and it's hard to talk past that kind of rhetoric and that kind of viewpoint. >> when we talk about race, and this is something in telling the story, i just have to share on a personal level with this show, there was controversy the last couple of days, i had a congresswoman from this particular district on the show and i asked her many questions, one of which was, you know, whether she and her fellow african-american lawmakers would we care as much about this particular case if trayvon martin wasn't black. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, i think congresswoman brown made the mistake of simply not being truthful. i don't know that it was any slap to the face to be able to say look, we look at what happened to trayvon martin and looked at a white young girl who was murdered, sure we're going to have equal outrage at the

fact of what happened to them, no question. but i think it's not out of realm of possibility for her to admit, as i would believe, to say when i look at trayvon, i see swup who represents something even larger going on in the system, something that threatens not only trayvon but threatens all of us out there who are african-american men, boys, african-americans in general who by and large are seen as suspicious, in part just because of the color of our skin. i think where the congresswoman went wrong was simply not to be up front. it seems and appears to many in the public when you do that, that you're simply playing sides, playing favorites. >> yeah. where do we go from here? let's say, does it ultimately take, you know, an arrest of zimmerman for this polarization to go away? or is that foolish to think that and there will always be racial

tension and it's simply bubbling to the surface because of this story? >> i think my pessimism comes in thinking this is not gong to go away. the tensions are not there. part of what we're seeing is we have greatly unaddressed issues. when it comes to issues of race, when it comes to issues of systemic justice, racism, we have not been able to really come together and talk directly as a country about this. and take productive steps to try to move forward. and so i think anytime you have a case like this, there are many twist twists and turns probably left to go in this case every step of the way. it's going to be difficult for us to get past these tensions. because these are things we simply have refused to talk about. >> i'm glad you and i, sir, i'm glad we're talking about this today. i appreciate it. come back anytime.

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look at these lines. hello, sir. plunking down money, hoping to win. for a speck of a shot to win $640 million, so just how bad are your odds at winning tonight's drawing? you're more likely to die from a bee sting. that is 1 in 6.1 million or experience a shark attack. yikes. that is 1 in 11.5 million. or make a hole in one, that is 1 in 12,500. what are the odds tonight? the odds are 1 in 176 million. you're gong to win tonight's mega millions drawing. and a mathematician from abrams university show med where that number comes from. >> it's the same for any drawing any night. here's the formula for the number. >> and for all you math nerds, this is a factorial equation. starting at 56 down.

so this tells you how many tickets there are for the first five numb barnes that's the last number. >> and the answer? >> very large. >> the answer is 175,711,536. >> so this is the number. these are your odds. so 1 in this number the odds of winning. >> that's correct. >> that's act how many glades of grass there are on a football field. >> yo so you're telling me you're not playing the lottery. you half at us who play? >> well, i probably won't play. >> what about the odds of having mull pl winners? now that the jackpot is so high. >> because there are so many tickets shold for this particular draw, that makes it much more likely there will be multiple winners.

so if you do win the jackpot, you ear very likely to share the jackp jackpot. >> my team, we just put in some pun. a lot of people are doing the office pool thing. that has to increase your odds, correct? >> it's true, you buy more tickets your odds increase, yes. the numbers if they're chosen randomly as they should be, all the numbers have the same odds. however, you can increase your odds of being -- if you win, you can increase the odds of being the only one who win. >> do tell. >> as you say, there are a lot of popular numbers. people like to choose birth dates and favorite numbers, things like this. there are more common tickets -- it's more common to have tickets with lower numbers. birthdays are never more than 31. >> so you're saying pick a hi higher number? >> higher numbers areless li likely. it won't increase your chance of

winning but it will increase your odds of being the only one who wins. >> did you get that? all the water cooler talk boiling over with lottery dreams. admit it, your office mates and you are pooling your money and buying tickets together, right? i know my team did that today. it's all fun, all games. but things get very serious, very fast if you actually do win. like the new jersey construction worker. this month a judge ordered him to pay his co-workers $2 million each after he claimed the winning ticket as oh, that was just his, he says. >> there was no documents, no hard evidence. that was our client's word versus the defendant's word. and there were also a couple of witnesses who testified. people who filled in with the crew on occasion. somebody who was there that week in question who confirmed our clients' versions. >> so what do you do now to avoid that type of scheme down the road.

i understand you actually represented an office pool. they were office some issues a couple of years ago in new york. you know about this. my team just -- we're all plunking down money. we have $150 or something. what do we need to do to avoid a lawsuit down the road? >> first of all, i appreciate you you shall kring my hopes. there's a few things you can do. i learned this from the case that i handled. the first thing is you have to define the group members. you have to know who's going to be involved, who's not. who's a participant and who's not. this preserves and protects the integrity of the group as well so that in the event you win, people can't come toward and say i intended to play, it was me. you just define the group. then you designate an individual or individuals who are going to be the purchasing agents. they're going to collect the money and go and purchase the ticket. then the final thing you do is

you photo copy the tickets that you purchase for the group. give them out, distribute them to all concerned and then you have them ink them. you know, everybody signs on board so that everyone knows it's a finite group. these are the participants and everyone is protected. >> i can't say sorry guys. i did buy a couple of extra tickets. i bought this one for my family and this is the winning one. >> i hope my team is listening because we need to do that. what about people on vacation? there are people on vacation saying all right, i want in on this pool. do they get equal rights if they win? >> they absolutely do. what happens is -- remember this, these are predicated upon oral agreements. and you depend on the good faith of group and the good nature of the group. there's one thing the courts don't like. we've seen that in these lottery cases and it's fraud. right? the courts don't like unfair dealing and bad faith. in the event that person was on a vacation, was a normal

participant, the mere fact that someone forked over a couple of bucs on their behalf does not mean they're precluded from checking when they get back. it doesn't mean people won't try to get them their money. >> if i'm buying three tickets on the side and one of my three on the side is actually the winning ticket. i get all that money, do i not? >> you absolutely do. see, what ends up happening is -- and that's why you have to photo copy it. now we know what were the tickets that were purchased for the group and what are those tickets that you purchased for yourself. you don't lose your individual rights. but you segregate out what's for everyone else and what's for me. >> let's say i win, what's the first thing i should do? >> after you jump up, scream and hug everybody next to you, just

make sure that that ticket is preserved, of course. keep it in a safe place. the next thing, of course, you want to do is you want to consult someone and that might be a professional. whether it's an attorney or a financial planner. some people have a real issue with their identity being made known. there's a lot of bad karma for people who win these cases and as a result, life ends up taking tricky terms. ultimately, just preserve the ticket, consult a professional, whether it be financial or law, this way you can have your money, enjoy your money and do good things. even this, brooke, see that it grows even beyond that which you've collected. >> be responsible, yadda, yadda. >> may the best and most lucky lottery winner win. i may or may not see you on monday. thank you very much. >> now to this club that only

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>> one woman's career as a journalist ends in an instant. how a blow to the head forever changed her life. >> i was on my bike and i heard this roaring car coming behind me. and i realized at that point the car was going to hit me. >> reporter: eight years ago, elie was hit by a car and flung into the air. >> while i was in the air i was seeing central park on the left and people on the sidewalk saying my god, my god. >> reporter: the moment heshe h the ground, her journalism career was over. the pain radiating throughout her body became a daily sensation. she needed an outlet. >> i just naturally started to,

you know take paper and pencils and color things and draw things. and i didn't have tbi. my find functioned seemlessly with art. eight years after her accident, she's still coping with her injuries still feeling cathartic when she paints. her latest work now hanging in a new york gallery depicting people who also had a tbi. and through intention fi case of the mind and spirit also overcame. >> do not ever lose hope. you will recover and do something with itself. it's long, it's painful, but there is hope. >> now it's interesting and happening right now. you're about to see it rapid fire, let's go. beginning with this -- >> we have some live picture, here he is, mitt romney speaking

in appleton, wisconsin. wisconsin, by the way, home of paul ryan. paul ryan in the string of pretty big endorsements for romney. also, it is a vote we will never hear the results of, but today nine supreme court justices of the united states hold their very first private meeting to see where one another stands when it comes to this controversial health care law. they heard three days of oral arguments this past monday, tuesday and wednesday. now they decide on the constitutionality of the controversial individual mandate and how that affects the entire law as a whole. the final decision expected in late june. and police in france crack down on suspected terror networks. the raids come one week after a violent 31-hour standoff between french officers and a gunman who claimed links with al qaeda.

he was mohammed merah. >> it's in connection with a form of radical islam. >> the defense team for army sergeant robert bales says it's facing an information blackout and has had little to no access to the prosecution's evidence against bales. he's the soldier accused of killing 17 civilians in afghanistan. his lawyers say they haven't been able to see the aerial footage of bales nor have they been able to interview witnesses in kandahar, even though they say the prosecution has. and a scary moment for some firefighters here. this is deerborn, michigan. the roof begins to collapse underneath them. there it goes. the helicopter from our

affiliate captures the scene. everyone, thank goodness, is okay. and the masters golf tournament is next week at augusta national. it's a place that doesn't allow women members. well now one of the three main sponsors of the masters is ibm. and guess what? ibm has a female as its new ceo. she's virginia rometty. all eight previous ibm ceos were extended augusta memberships because they were men. martha burke led a protest in augusta. she didn't succeed then. but with the issue back now, we asked burke if she thinks rometty will get a membership. >> i don't know, but what i fear is they will try to work out some sham solution with the company. the company has a huge responsibility here not to

undermine its first female ceo and if they accept anythingless than a full membership or resign their sponsorship they're going to undermine their new ceo and they'll be making a statement that they don't consider home run an equal to her pred sa predecessors. they've had noon years to help this club come into the 21st centu century. they've done nothing about it. now they're both in a bind. there's only one way to solve this. well, there are two. ibm can pull out and say we want nothing else to do with this. these are not the values of our company, or the club can relent and say we welcome women as members. those are the only two options that are viable that are going to wash with the public. new information about how the remains of 9/11 vick tips ended up in a land fill including the

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>> new details into where the remains from some of the victims of 9/11 ended up. also a blind man drives a car. time for reporter roulette. doi want to begin here with some of this information that the military has just now released on how the remains of some people who died on 9/11 end up in a land fill. barbara starr, what do you know? >> 1,321 sets fragmented of remains who perished here at the pentagon on 9/11 buried in a land fill. if you didn't think that was bad enough, listen to this. the pentagon this afternoon, releasing thousands of pages of documents about all of this and how it came to happen. this has been going on for some time. unidentified remains being

buried, incinerated and buried as medical waste. dover air force base was in charge of all of this. and apparently back in 2002, there was actually a debate about whether it was a good thing to do. these doms show an extensive e-mail debate between officials. some officials saying the remaining should be buried at sea, such as military remains are with appropriate military dignity. others saying no, they're unidentified, incinerate, put them in the land fill as medical waste. and other officials saying there's no way these were normal medical waste remains if such a thing even exists. so these pages of documents show us more insight into this very difficult debate for the public to view about how remains should be disposed of. what it really underlying is the anguish of it all here at the pentagon and the remains of

troops who perished in the war also incinerated and disposed of as medical waste. brooke? >> to think there was a debate and this wasn't simply accidental. what about families? will it be possible to know if it was their loved ones and would they have any recourse do you think? >> probably not, brooke. the military is making the case that they did this because the remains, the bits, the fragments were so small as to be unidentifiable. so that's the case that they're making. but other people are making the case, of course, that nonetheless, these were the remains, the fragments of people who ferished and they should have been treated with some other level of dignity than to be treated as medical waste. that's the case that so many people are making. and of course now, since this all came to light, procedures have changed. and they are now buried at sea with all appropriate military dignity. brooke? >> barbara starr, thank you.

next, chad myers is back. welcome back. >> yes, i was at the hurricane conference. >> of course. i'm sure you loved it. >> i got to tell the hurricane center what they did right and what they do wrong. they weren't listening but i had to tell them. >> talk to me about this -- there's this blind man and he drove a car? >> yes. legally. and this is a google car. it's a prius and it has light-dar. and it also has gps. it now has 100,000 miles on it, driving all by itself. it's gone down lombard street. didn't hit anything. this man is 95% blind. beyond legally blind. it went into a taco bell. knew where to stop because of the google maps. it's literally driving by itself.

it's no hands, no feet, nothing. i think this guy had a good time. listen. >> look ma, no hands. no hands anywhere. >> no hands, no feet. no nothing. >> pick my jaw up off the table. i have so many questions. so based upon then google maps, they just know exactly down to the inch at the end of the street, no when to turn. what about traffic lights? >> it has radar, light-dar. it has to see there's a stop sign and yield to pedestrians. this is an experimental car. but it was fantastic and it worked great. >> and it worked. >> there's only been one accident with this car and

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>> police shoot and kill this 19-year-old man after getting a 911 call about an armed robbery. police responded on shot college student kendrick mcdade when he allegedly made a motion towards his waistband. w but it turns out the whole 911 call was a lie. >> just put a gun on my face right now. >> does he have any weapons? >> yes, he has a gun. >> and they took your backpack? >> yes. >> police say the collar has now fessed up. >> the reporting partiedy admit that he had fabricated the information about the handgun involved in the alleged robbery. >> the caller has been arrested and is accused of involuntary manslaughter.

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so brutal. it has rallied the country of chile to fight homophobia. cnn's rafael romo has the story. for more than three weeks they held vigils and lit candles and trade for the recovery of the young man, but 24-year-old daniel zamudio targeted for being gay couldn't survive his injuries. >> translator: he's a victim of intolerance, homophobia and hate that some have in their hearts. >> on march 3rd, the clothing store salesman was attacked in a park in santiago. authorities say he was beaten

for at least an hour and burned with cigarettes and nazi symbols were carved into his body. the attack has galvanized human rights groups in chile. the victim's father says the support he and his family has received since the attack happened has been overwhelming. >> translator: they have given me comfort and strength to keep supporting my family and son. i ask you to please respect our privacy. >> reporter: four young men between the ages of 19 and 26 have been arrested as suspects in the killing. local media outlets are reporting the suspects are members of a neo-nazi group. chilean president sebastian pineda speaking during a trip to asia condemned the attack. >> translator: we want to reiterate today that we have made a commitment. we will not tolerate any kind of discrimination on citizens based on their socioeconomic status, their religion or sexual orientation. i want to bring in rafael romo.

it's horrible. you conducted to the people who conducted the autopsy. what did they say? >> he was just telling me that the level of broughtality that this young man endured. he had swastika symbols carved into his skin. his legs were placed in such a way that his tibia in the lower leg was broken. also, it seems like they used a big rock to beat him in the head and that's what eventually caused his death. so that tells you the level of brutality is just unimaginable that somebody can do that kind of -- cause that kind of injury to somebody else. >> what about the government? we just saw the president sebastian pineda talking. what is the government doing in reaction? >> for the last seven years they have been trying to approve a law that would punish exactly that kind of hate crime, exactly that kind of situation. there's an antidiscrimination that not only covers this kind of crime, but all kinds of

discrimination. conservative groups and the chilean congress have prevented this bill from becoming law. after this happened, a lot of people are saying enough is enough and it's time to do it. >> it's time. >> rafael, thank you. >> coming up here, nothing gets a senate democrat fired up quite like an oil company's bottom line. this is so dumb. they've had these subsidies for what? 30, 40, 50 years? and i think most americans realize the price of oil has gone up just fine during that time. >> well, we are going to look at those subsidies today as we watch gas prices go up and up and up, and my next guest has an idea that might actually get the court of public opinion to think more highly of these big oil companies, but first. it is friday and that means it's time for our week winddown and today, a bet paid off. there was a little healthy bet between miss massey and i, bobcat o.u. alum. neither of our teams are in the final four, but i do believe

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it is, and while gas prices creep toward that $4 mark, ballooning $4 a gallon, oil companies are, and the taxpayer subsidies for these big oil companies and tax breaks with wonky names like section 199, intangible drilling costs and dual capacity rules. you hear me say that and you're thinking, okay, what does all that mean and why? here's what i want to know, why am i paying so much at the pump? rick, if i can just ask in plain english, what are oil companies getting from us, the taxpayers and should they stop taking it? >> it's between $2 billion and $4 billion worth of tax breaks each year and that was decades ago in many cases to just stimulate drilling activity for an industry that was younger than -- and perhaps needed a little bit of support. obviously, these days, the oil companies are getting these subsidies and that includes

exxon mobil, chevron, conoco phillips and two companies that aren't even oil companies, bp and royal dutch/shell and some of the most established and profitable companies in the world. brooke, i added their profits in 2011 and their combined profits were $116 billion. i'm thrilled they're making money and i'm thrilled for shareholders. their stock are doing great, but why give them $4 billion worth of subsidies? it makes no sense. >> this is senator claire mccaskill yesterday. >> we've had these subsidies for what? 30, 40, 50 years? i think most americans have figured out the price of oil has gone up just fine all of that time and they have the subsidies and how is that working out for us? those subsidies are keeping down the price of gasoline, aren't they? >> ha, ha. we're doing away with the subsidy, rick? would that make the gas prices go down and would that have any kind of impact as far as what we're paying each and every day?

>> i think this is a silly distortion that's typical of an election year, and i think these subsidies have probably nothing whatsoever to do with the price of gas. the price of oil and the price of gas is set by supply and demand in the global market, for the most part it's that simple and if these tax subsidies were eliminated. the oil companies would keep pulling the same amount of oil out of the ground because we're making a profit out of that oil especially with gas prices over $100 a barrel and that wouldn't affect the supply which means it wouldn't affect the price. >> we have a graph and let's throw it up quickly. 2008, $147 a barrel and today it's just over a hundred and we're still paying right around four bucks for a gallon of gas. so why -- it doesn't make sense when you look at the differential. why are gas prices still so high there? >> there's not an exact correlation between oil and gas prices. it's a very close correlation, but we have to remember l