tweets. you would expect it to be brilliant. not so much. "starting point" starts right now. is this your pick? stedman graham join us this morning. we'll talk about his new book called "identity:your passport to success." >> i think there's a hole in the market for a book club. >> thank you, will cain. my people will call your people. we'll work on that. thank you for joining us. also,l cain, columnist and john fugelsang is joining us. trayvon martin story has been very interesting to see, i think, every detail that's added as more people come forward.

now there's a new attorney joining george zimmerman's case. >> about time. >> that's kind of interesting. he did have a representative at first buchlt now the two of them will jointly represent george zimmerman. his father also really sat down to talk about his son's version of events the night that trayvon martin was shot and killed. here is what he said. >> he was walking back to his vehicle. trayvon came from his left side, asked him, did he have -- did he have a problem? george said no. at that point, trayvon said, well, you do now. he punched him in the nose, knocked him to the concrete and started beating him. george was there, yelling for help for at least 40 seconds. it's clearly him on the tape. >> joining us this morning, lou palumbo, nassau county police officer and director -- i have

trouble talking, one minute, 30 seconds into the show. nice to have you. we've spent a lot of time now talking about this particular case. we're now getting the version of events fleshd out not only by george zimmerman's father but also his attorney as well. what kind of things are you listening for and you want to know from their perspective? >> unfortunately i don't think there's much from their perspective that's going to influence me at this point. what i would be more inclined to do is review some of the crime scene investigations, forensics, autopsy reports. his son's actions don't really change the merit miechlt opinion remains to be that he used excessive force. he precipitated this. he volunteered that to us in a 911 tape where he indicated he was following him. >> the lawyer would say that's not correct, that when he was told to stop that he said, okay, or don't follow him, he said okay and that it wasn't a direct order. it was a guy in the dispatch. it was not official police order. the lawyer, who was talking to

piers morgan last night, hal erwig. he said there is a reason trayvon martin is dead and it is this. listen. >> it is not because he was black or because he wore a hoodie or because he was walking in the rain. it's because that 6'3" young man made a terrible decision and a bad judgment and decided to smack somebody in the face and break their nose, jump on them and smack their head into the ground. in doing that, put him in reasonable fear for his safety. you're going to find that there was a dispute as to what happened with the gun. he was absolutely entitled to defend himself. and that's why trayvon martin is dead, not because of racial profiling. >> clearly setting up the case, right? you could see in addition to the narrative, he's also throwing in sort of the legal perspective. >> we're not questioning he had a legal right to defend himself. we're just discussing now to what extent. we're not saying you didn't have a right to fight back. clearly, you did. this is all about the use of deadly physical force and did it apply in this case? and is it justified?

simply stated it isn't. i don't think trayvon was 6'3". to correct the record, i reviewed a police report that described him as six foot. let's get our facts accurate. how mysteriously did trayvon and mr. zimmerman end up in such proximity to each other if he wasn't being followed? maybe what trayvon did, when he realized he was being followed, as he articulated in the phone call to his girlfriend, was position himself in a manner that made him more comfortable. and alleging him to confront this person, who are you? why are you following me? the rest of this is just zimmerman's justification for what he did. >> an interesting point to focus. we focused in on who was the pursuer, that being the question. who was the aggressor in the actual confrontation? that's been a point of focus. you now have focused in on the use of deadly force. was it justified? i think that's a very legitimate question.

that entire question will hinge on did george zimmerman really feel his life was in jeopardy? do his injuries support that feeling and on and on? >> the question i have is if i'm carrying a concealed weapon, 9 millimeter handgun and you're not and i feel like i'm in imminent fear for my life, what do you feel like? >> we agree then, these are the analysis that people will be going through, police, lawyers, this is what they'll be focusing on, whether or not it was reasonable to use deadly force. am i wrong? >> clearly, i've seen from the fath father's comments and also from the lawyer that there is going to be a conversation about a struggle for a weapon, right? >> certainly hinted at that. >> a narrative that at that point there was a struggle for the gun. ultimately, is it going to look at, i guess, forensic evidence to see if there was a struggle for the gun? one party in this, who would be able to answer that, is dead. >> if there ever is a trial. that's the real point here. most people that are protesting this aren't saying lock the guy up or give him the chair.

they just want a trial and media and the people of america are already trying him. they're waiting for the justice system to catch up. >> we want to review the facts and the reality of the situation is that if, in fact, there are -- there is a palm print, for example, on this weapon and for your own edification, polymer framed weapon, which wouldn't necessarily give you that print you're looking for -- it's not that this is academic. if you came up to me -- i've taken guns off people in recent years. and i know you've got a weapon and i can tell you shouldn't have one, i take that weapon off you. i've done this numerous times. i have a whole different set of skills. i've had formal training, extensive experience. your whole mode of thinking when you see a weapon and you don't have one and you don't know who this person is that's following you and you're unsettled, you might want to disarm that person. part of the issue here is how concealed was that weapon in his

wai waistband? i've carried a weapon responsibly for 39 years. in one instance i've had one law enforcement agent approach me with my jacket off to ask me whether or not i was legally carrying it it. you carry it concealed. you don't brandish the weapon. part of the responsibility in carrying a concealed weapon is to keep it concealed. >> all the issues they'll be talking about as they look through this case. thank you, lou. appreciate you joining us. more headlines to get to. christine has those. new and increased activity at a rocket launch pad in north korea revealed by a satellite. significant activity at a launch pad and a rocket assembly facility. vehicles and other objects are seen parked outside the launch tower. possible fuel containers appear uncovered, stacked behind a fuel system. the justice department, preparing to take america's toughest sheriff to court. administration officials say they'll sue arizona's joe arpaio after settlement talks broke

off. the two sides were trying to settle allegations of racial discrimination. former penn state assistant coach jerry sandusky is due in court in less than two hours. sandusky faces 52 counts for sexually abusing ten boys over a 15-year period. his attorney, joe amandola, is asking the court to dismiss many of these charges, saying the accusations are vague and the statute of limitations has run out. the jetblue pilot who suffered an apparent breakdown during a flight may never face trial. he will undergo a psychiatric evaluation to determine if he's competent enough to ntds these charges against him. a detention hearing set for today has been postponed until after doctors get a chance to

examine him. the last word on the death of singer whitney houston. the l.a. coroner's office releasing its final autopsy report. it says houston drowned, face down, in a tub of hot water about a foot deep. investigators found white powder and a spoon with white residue in her hotel room. cnn's dr. drew pinsky says the full report casts doubt that houston had a heart condition as preliminary findings suggested. >> the fact is that this autopsy report shows she had nominal, nominal heart disease, not sufficient to explain what happened to her. you mentioned she was found face down in water. how do you have a heart attack or take too much medication and slip into the water and drowned and end up face down? the way that happens is seizure. and i add the entire score up and i get seizure here. >> dr. drew says the autopsy suggests houston may have been using can he contain just minutes before she died.

a cloud of pepper spray ends a student demonstration in california. now the investigation begins. three santa monica college students were taken to the hospital. 30 others treated at the scene. 100 students were demonstrating against a pilot program to create a two-tiered tuition program. officials say the police acted with restraint. kayleigh wade will join us later, one of the students. >> have you been sprayed by pepper spray? >> no. >>l cain has. was it -- >> unpleasant. >> he was protesting. campus protester. we knew it. >> protesting for the rights of the 1%. >> at least it's something you believe in,l cain. >> that's right. >> christine, thank you. google has come one step

closer to turning people into their smart phones. they've got this new thing called project glass. and they've got this new concept video right here that shows how these google glasses could work. it performs tasks that would be normally handled by your smart phone like scheduling your meetings, taking pictures, checking the weather, getting directions, placing a video call. you can do all of it by verbal commands. listen. >> hi. what's up? >> hey. >> hey. >> you want to see something cool? >> yeah, sure. is that a ukelele? >> yeah. here it goes. >> that's beautiful. >> that's beautiful. that's a concept video, right? that's actually not how it really works at this moment. they're trying to get people's input so that they can weigh in on what they would like the glasses to be able to do. i think that video is so odd. ukelele over a railing? like the coolest glasses ever?

>> watch the entire video? how to play a ukelele. >>. still ahead on "starting point" federal judge spars with president obama over the president's remarks that he made in a press conference about the supreme court's upcoming decision on the health care law. we'll bring in jeff toobin, talk about what's really going on. jeff says actually this is kind of a -- and if you spent money for someone to tweet for you, it should be brilliant, aridite. we'll share that story with you. if you're about to head to work go to our live blog at cnn.com/startingpoint. get right to john's play list this morning.

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♪ >> that's jeff toobin's play list, "mystery dance" elvis c t costello. glad to have you here. >> nice to be here. >> a federal appointed judge, and those judges want answers in writing after the president made kind of a controversial remark about the supreme court's upcoming decision over his health care law. here is what he said. >> i'm confident that the supreme court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a

democratically elected congress. >> so that was what the president said in a press conference. some people say the president was warning the justices not to overturn the law. it didn't sit very well with the three-judge panel hearing a different challenge to the same law. here is what one of those judges, his name is jerry smith, said in court. >> obamacare to what he termed a broad consensus of majorities in both houses of congress. that has troubled a number of people who have read it as somehow a challenge to the federal courts or to their authority, or to the appropriateness of the concept of judicial review. and that's not a small matter. >> hence, jeff toobin, cnn legal analyst. i said you call this a pissing match, but i got that wrong. you called this a hissy fit. >> it's a disgrace.

what president obama said is entirely appropriate. nothing wrong, nothing controversial. he said i signed a law that was passed by the democratically elected congress and i think it's constitutional. the judges give the justice department a homework assignment, a three-page letter, single spaced, explaining what the president said. they don't have to explain what the president said. that was a perfectly appropriate comment by the president and it just shows how some of these republican judges are just deranged by hatred of the president. >> isn't the role of the supreme court to overturn stuff that's unconstitutional? >> if they find it. >> right. >> and there's nothing that obama said that was contrary to that. the president has no leverage over the supreme court. he can't threaten -- what's he going to threaten to do? if you rule this way, i won't -- if you rule this way, i'm not going to invite you to a state dinner. >> that's about it. >> that's his only leverage. >> this is where i must step n i totally agree with you, jeff. this is a very odd requirement.

>> hissy fit. >> three-page letter, single spi spaced to explain the president's view. the president's statement, the prednisone kags for this i find that unprecedented as well. you find it completely normal. judicial review has been a 250-year-old concept that the nation has lived by. those all happened after court decisions. extraordinary and unprecedent before the supreme court made their decision. it's hard not to see this as warning, intimidation. >> to do what? >> rule in his favor. >> his administration wrote a brief asking them to rule in his favor. >> everyone knows they want the justices to rule in his favor. >> extraordinary exercised judicial power. he is putting a lot of language in here, jeff, to suggest it would be totally off base of the supreme court to apply judicial

review to his favorite law. >> that's what his justice department said to the justices last week. there is no secret about the obama administration's position on this issue. i don't see why the president saying it, the attorney general saying it, the solicitor general saying it -- >> it calls into question the legitimacy of their decision. not the disagreement but the legitimacy to make their decision. >> he didn't say anything about the legitimacy. he said my interpretation of the law is the following. he is an american citizen and can express his opinion. >> bigger picture. what is really a political statement at a press conference becoming sort of a judicial statement? right? shouldn't the two of them really -- >> i think what i have devoted my career to attempting to prove is that the line between law and politics is essentially nonexistent. when you have cases like this, when you have cases like abortion, affirmative action, these are essentially political decisions being made by individuals who wear black robes, but they are, in essence,

political decisions. and i think the more we recognize that and the more we eliminate this artificial line, this sort of idealistic, but meaningless line between law and politics, the better. i think that's the way the world works. >> i want to ask you a question about the trayvon martin case for a moment. have you been surprised, any of you been surprised there has not been a big named lawyer that's jumped in to represent george zimmerman? you know. we talked about a zillion cases over the last ten years or so where three days goes by and then some bold-faced name jumps in to start doing it because they use all the media as an event in a way. >> gloria allred would have jumped in already. a defense attorney's dream to represent -- >> have you been surprised by that, stedman? >> i have been pretty surprised by that. i think -- i've been surprised by a lot of things. >> in that particular case? >> in that particular case,

yeah. i think we have to wait and see all the evidence and see how it works out. >> i don't know. i actually am less surprised. this case polarizes people along racial lines. >> highly risky for -- >> a high-profile person, that's the kind of thing you don't want to get involved in, unless you know -- unless you know the facts really well and no one knows the facts really well. >> there's plenty of caucasians and nonblack folks who are demanding an arrest and a trial. >> absolutely. >> you don't mean racial lines in terms of the potential lawyers, you just mean the case is about race? >> the case is about race. >> as we had talked about, kind of always an icky thing for people to tackle, and high risk actually. we have to get to commercial break for a second. jeff toobin, thank you very much. hissy fit is -- misquoted jeff toobin. he said hissy fit. >> that could be a title. >> train wreck and a hissy fit. still ahead on "starting point" your tax dollars at work.

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our "get real" this morning -- usually it's my favorite story of the day. today is no exception. started with a tweet back november 8th, election day. a local lawyer there, his name is jared klein, tweeted this. it's election day, people. get out there and vote for -- he listed a couple of people to vote for. >> so creative. >> yes. third guy is councilman jim k kenn kenney. jim kenney responded to the tweet with his own tweet. that is this. i'm not on the ballot today but thank you for the support and for supporting my friends. but he was on the ballot. it turns out, of course, it seems he was paying an outside media company called chatter blast nearly $30,000 a year to update, monitor and tweet for him. they have had tweets like this. it's april fools. someone tell me a joke.

>> wow! >> and this. kind of looks like a snow globe outside. and this one. i'm giving up smiling for lent. so i thought i could get a new gig tweeting for the councilman instead of $29,000, i will do it for $25,000. my tweets are much more creative and i can probably get him some followers, too. >> i've got 50,000 followers. i will do it for $20,000. >> high stakes bidding here. >> they were also doing mr. kenney's facebook as well. i'm 53, out of touch and this is the way of the future. it's actually the way of the present. >> i have no clue how to tweet. i still don't understand the mechanics of it. it's a thing of the future. >> he wanted to do it to communicate with younger constituents. anthony weiner could have shown you how to do that for free. >> do you tweet? >> little bit. >> will is tweeting during the show. >> tweet right now. that's right. >> the whole -- >> complicated, by the way. >> the whole entire concept, right, is one on one contact

with the people you're reaching out to. >> but a lot of people do this. and a lot of celebrities do this. a lot of people in my entertainment field do this as well. >> ergo the risks. >> this is lose/lose for this guy because a celebrity isn't using taxpayer dollars. >> that's keet. taxpayer dollars. >> if someone is tweeting i, i, i and it's not him and i elected him, that would annoy me. >> i disagree. you have someone write speeches for you that says i, i, i -- >> that annoys me, too. >> that's what they say, john. we actually type it in. it's no different than if someone dictates a letter to someone. >> yes. >> to say give up smiling for lent. >> i hope he didn't dictate i'm not on the ballot today. maybe someone just went ahead and tweeted it for him. who would say that if they're on the ballot that day?

anyway, my favorite story today. >> your tax dollars not hard at work. charles manson, believe it or not -- how many times have we done this story? up for parole again. that's what he looked like in 2009. a new photo has been released. he looks a lot different. george zimmerman's attorney and a live response from the urban league, straight ahead. i want healthy skin for life.

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obama administration abandoned plans to prosecute in a federal court. the man suspected of killing seven people in a campus shooting spree. one goh now facing seven charges of murder, three of attempted murder at oikos university in oakland. a prosecutor says goh wanted his tuition back after dropping off and was gunning for a school administrator. he is being held without bail. if convicted he could face the death penalty. a week before his next parole hearing, officials released new pictures of charles manson, looks a lot different from three years ago when his head was shaved. the tattooed swastika on his forehead is still there. he has been denied parole 11 times. two genes may be linked to

post traumatic stress disorder. ucla studied armennian victims of the earthquake that killed thousands. the study found that those who carried genetic variations of depression were likely to vptsd. a new weight loss drug is awaiting approval from the fda after it was rejected back in 2010 over safety concerns. qnexa is designed for people horobees and overweight with health issues such as high blood pressure or type 2 diabetes. they shed 10% to 11% of their weight in a year. supporters say it helps to reduce diabetes and lower blood pressure. research shows the drug caused increased heart rate in some patients and increased the

incidence of clest palate in newborns whose mothers took the drug. compared to its overall health risks. denied in 2010, but given a chance this time. >> but cleft lift in mother's newborns? wow! >> whenever you're pregnant or nursing, you really have to be careful what kind of drugs you're taking even if you don't know what the side effects are. >> thanks for that update. george zimmerman's family and his defense team trying to change the perception of the man who shot and killed 17-year-old trayvon martin. his new attorney was on piers morgan last night. >> the reason that trayvon martin is dead is not because he was black or because he wore a hoodie or because he he was walking in the rain but because that 6'3" young man made a terrible decision and a bad judgment and decided to smack somebody in the face and break their nose, jump on them and smack their head into the ground and, in doing that, put that in reasonable fear for his safety. joining our panel this morning is marc morial,

president and ceo of the national urban league. nice to see you, marc. >> thank you, soledad. >> when you hear what i think is clearly an out-of-the-box legal strategy we're hearing from, hal uhrig, the new attorney for george zimmerman, what do you make of that? >> just yet another changing story. george zimmerman's sort of offensive has been clumsy. i think it's been contra addidi. we've heard so many things. the chief investigating officer who looked into this incident when it occurred recommended the arrest of george zimmerman. and somehow, someone higher in the state's attorney's office blocked that arrest. we need to keep a focus on the facts. and i think what you now have is an effort by this defense attorney to deposit yet another story. i've lost track of the facts, but what i think we do have is

we do have 911 tapes. and i think those 911 tapes are particularly revealing. we have a call that -- >> and not all the facts are out. i don't know that we can lose track of facts when really, i think everybody who has studied this case we're all trying to piece together some of the facts. the facts haven't been officially revealed yet. there are some evidence. certainly the 911 tapes included. let's talk about racial strife. the lawyer last night, hal uhrig says outsiders coming in are are causing racial strife. here is what he said. >> the morning of february 26th, we had a peaceful community where blacks and whites went to chur church together, stood in line at the grocery together and didn't think we highway problem. after some folks came to town and had their little rallies and made irresponsible speeches about murder and racial profiling -- he's not a racist. it wasn't profiling. >> outside agitators, he says -- he's out of bounds.

he sounds like an old-time southern sheriff talking about outside agitators. in this case it was the local naacp leadership, local minute ters, local lawyer, local urban league loweredship who asked national organizations to come in and support what they felt was a travesty of justice. and i would discourage him to stand off from that outside/inside rhetoric. we are one nation with a single constitution. and i think an embrace of justice. this issue has galvannized people because of the social media and the media there is, indeed, a focus on that. i don't think that rhetoric from the lawyer is helpful. >> marc, hold on one second. i want to bring in stedman graham. a lot of what you write in your new book "identity" is about race and how that can frame yourself and how everyone around you is interpreting you. when you heard what the hal

said, that outside acknowledgite coming in, this was a nice, peaceful town before others came in and created a scene, what do you make of that in. >> this is indicative of a major issue, which is lack of education for black men across the country. you have 57% dropout rate in a big city, 25% graduation rate in the whole city. you got a 16% graduation rate among black men. i would ask marc morial, what is the bigger message here? after this case goes away and after everybody settles down, you know, we still have killings all over the country. young men and young women are being killed by their own people. we are not graduating folks through our school system. >> so what is the urban league's plan? i think that's a great question. obviously at some point this case will be decided. it may not be for a year. it may not go to trial. however it is, what is the step

after that? >> i think in the context of this case, it raises a lot of larger questions and a lot of -- an opportunity to focus on some of the very important work. i think that the urban league and others are doing with after-school programs, with efforts for job training and advocacy that the nation needs to do more. one of my great concerns, soledad, is the culture of violence in the nation. it's black-on-black crime, yes. but this is also part of that cultural violence where people feel they need guns to protect themselves, where we see a person because of the way they dress and the way they look, simply because of that, we feel threatened. there are a lot of larger question questions that i think we have to discuss, but what i've really been focused on is making sure that we don't prematurely take attention away from justice for trayvon martin. but i think, and i hope, that there's going to be an opportunity to point to and also do something about many of the important statistics that stedman just talked about. urban league, on the front lines

with job-training programs, after-school programs. we just don't touch enough people. and we need more support to do more work like that in these challenging times. >> marc morial from the national urban league. thanks for talking to us. >> appreciate it, soledad. >> starting point, student caught in the cloud of pepper spray, protesting tuition hikes. we'll talk to one woman who was injured. we'll see if she thinks the cops went way too far. >> stedman's new book, identity. we'll talk to him about some of those statistics. we'll leave you with a song of his play list marvin gaye "what's going on"? the next revolution in music is happening here. pandora rocks the big board.

covering the range this morning musically, i would like to say. smokey robinson "more love." we want to talk more to stedman graham, "identity:your passport

to success." you say that nugget, centerpiece is your identity. why is that so critical? >> the foundation of your development. without one, you're lost. you don't know where you're going. you don't know how to get there. i think all your problems result from a lack of identity. racial identity, gender identity, all of those things are socially constructed to make you think you're less than. if you have no foundation for learning and developing essentially you're going to be a follower for the rest of your life as opposed to a leader. you'll be a slave as opposed to an owner. you'll be a consumer as opposed to producer because you can't own your own self. you have no voice. you have no foundation for growing and developing. that's why it's so important. >> how did you figure it out for you, personally? >> i figured it out -- >> that could be like years and years of therapy. >> years and years. it's a long journey. i grew up in an all-black town surrounded by a white community.

i was labeled. you know, in a relationship with oprah for a number of years and i'm labeled -- stuck in a box based on that. i got a chance to really figure out where the freedom is. freedom is not on the outside. freedom is on the inside. >> what do you mean? >> most people don't know who they are, they have no foundation, no passion. they have no -- they hate themselves or they don't understand that the first step in self actualization is finding out what your purpose is, finding out what you love. finding out what your strengths are, what your talents are, what your skills are and developing that. in that process i realized ta's not about how other people define you. it's about how you define yourself. the question is, do you have the tools to define yourself? are you able to navigate the system? are you able to asimulate? are you able to take the world's

resource and find out who you are? everybody has 24 hours. >> john has a question. >> in many ways the book is as much about individuality as it is identity or individuality leading to the pathway of identity n a culture where we're so often lumped into pack mentalities, especially for men, do you think it makes it more difficult for someone to have a true sense of self when you've got media, advertising, when you've got an overall mentality telling you what you are? >> most of us are stuck in the box, doing everything over and over every single day. if you did the same thing you did yesterday that you did today, you will have done nothing. two weeks later, ask them what they learn they say i don't know. so nothing from nothing is nothing. the missing piece is we don't think. we can't take education information and make it relevant to our skill set, to our talents, to what we do, to our passion, to develop ourselves. >> let me ask you a question

about an interview that gayle king did with oprah the other day. she was saying that, you know, why didn't you just -- why don't you just go quit? like you could just go and leave all the stress of the new gig and leave and quit and oprah basically said that you would tell her that would last about two weeks and then she would be losing her mind. she went on to say this. i think we have a clip of it. >> i believe that i am here to fulfill a calling, that because i am a female who is african-american, who has been so blessed in the world, there is never going to be a time to quit. i will die in the midst of doing what i love to do. and that is using my voice and using my life to try to inspire other people to live the best of theirs. >> she was talking about a lot of the stress around launching own and talked about some of the mistakes that were made. in that interview, i thought, she seemed really vulnerable. how do you advise her? a lot of what she's saying about figuring out who -- why you're here is really what you're writing about. >> you don't want to lose your

voice. where is your voice? are you able to -- your p potential? and so her mugs is to help women all around the world. how do you do that? you do that by having own, a platform. >> not do that by your own personal example, by taking content and make it relative to growing people's lives, and if you miss that opportunity, how many oprahs are there, to me identity is the pass port. i for a moment thought i was going on vacation somewhere. still ahead this morning, there was chaos at a california college, police had to use pepper spray to bring to an end to the protests. you're watching starting point,

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that chaos is amateur video of a student protest that happened at santa monica community college. it started with roughly 100 people that had gathered outside a school board meeting. the demonstrations quickly got out of hand. the police were waving batons and spraying pepper spray. nice to see you, i thank you for talking with us. you were there to protest these tuition hike. it a two tiered system that they propose. >> i feel that this program would just divide the classes at

the college and it goes completely against the mission statement of what a college is supposed to be, equal education for all. it just seems really unfair to me. >> so the officer sprayed pepper spray toward roughly 100 people who are trying to get in that door and get into that meeting. can you tell me exactly what happened? >> i was at the very front and in the beginning, it was really compliant, he was being passive. he said they're going to let in a select number of students to which we responded that we wanted everyone to be able to go into the meeting and say their piece and stuff. when they opened the door to let

some of us go in, we all tried to get in. they pepper sprayed us, it was completely unprovoked, they didn't warn us at all. >> i can see all the people rushing the room. we can see in those pictures, that everybody suddenly starts grabbing their faces. what is it like to be sprayed in the face with pepper spray? >> it the weirdest sensation, it's like burning completely, i felt like my skin was on fire and it was in my mouth and on my lips and in my eyes. we had to pour milk on our faces

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it's thursday april 5. welcome, everybody, let's introduce you to our panelists, i should mention john mellencamp. wow talk about profiling. >> what did you profile, i'm curious? >> country music from texas. usually you do all the country music. steadman graham is joining the panel this morning. he's the ceo of sram and socials. and he's also written a book called "your path to success jxds. john fugelsane is with us. we're starting with george

zimmerman's father who's been telling his son's version of events the night trayvon martin was shot and killed. >> he was walking back to his vehicle, trayvon came from his left side and asked him, did he have a problem. george said no. at that point trayvon said well you do now, he punched him in the nose and knocked him to the concrete and started beating him. george was there yelling for help for at least 40 seconds. it's clearly him on the tape. >> also we're hearing from the new attorney, how rick is now representing george zimmerman and he says this is what happened that night. >> the reason that trayvon martin is dead is not because he was black or because he wore a hoodie or because he was walking in the rain. it's because that 6'3" young man-made a terrible decision and

a terrible judgment who decided to smacked a guy in the face and put him on the ground. you're going to find there's a dispute as to what happened with the gun, he was absolutely entitled to defend himselves and that's why trayvon is dead, not because of racial profiling. >> we have a consistent story this is george zimmerman's side of the story, he was in fact, according to his father and according to the lawyer, he was the victim in the case. what role does race play in this, you heard he said this is not about race, this is not about racial profiling. >> it's been about race ever since people kept slaves. punks doesn't rime with spoons. there's no way that race won't be a factor in this.

however, that particular network that interview was given, with a very, very supportive interviewer, keeps breaking it down along racial lines and the naacp and urban league -- there's been no arrest. it was a biracial man who committed the shooting, it's not broken down along racial lines, there's plenty of white folks that are upset about this and want a trial. >> we have a racial history, we have racial divides. the answer to your question, what does it have to do with this case right now? i firmly sit in the seat i don't know. a moment ago john and i had a conversation, doesn't everyone need a trial in this case? i don't have all the evidence that a prosecutor does to say do i have enough to go to trial?

>> history has shown us sometimes that when, i think especially for people of color, that's often there's got to be a lot of yelling and screaming before cases are brought to light. i think that's fair to say that this case would have disappeared if people didn't say, rightfully or wrongfully, there's been an injustice done. it wasn't a police officer saying we're waiting to get information out. it was people who were really, really angry who said justice is not being done and they made a lot of hoopla about it. >> you're right if the ultimate conclusion is there was an injustice done. we haven't proved that yet. if the prosecutor says there's not enough evidence to charge him -- >> a young man with an iced tea and a bag of skittles, in the

big picture, an injustice was done, a young man was killed who as far as everybody knows not armed in any way. >> when you say injustice in a societal sense and an justice in a legal sense. i'm not saying that george zimmerman did the right thing. >> how do you move this story past race? or does it ever move past race. >> it's indicative of a larger problem, i toured cook county jail and 99% of the prisoners in there are young black men. and like i said, there's a 16% graduation rate in one state of black men. >> do you think it should be about trayvon martin. >> people are tired of these young black men being killed and

also not being educated and being marginalized and not being able to get a job. so they're just tired and this is an indication of where the country needs to go to make sure all young people are educated, but particularly black men because they have such a failure right in the educational system. >> i don't think you're going to be able to take apart this case from -- i don't think it's a separate case that doesn't involve race, i clearly don't. >> that's not what i'm saying, but we'll know in the end. >> people can yell and scream about racial injustice potentially, we would never have known because the issue would never have been raised. >> that's a good thing, this outrage makes me proud to be an american because there was the outrage. when a new lawyer comes in for mr. zimmerman, mr. alrich

came -- hey, christine. >> former penn state assistant coach jerry sandusky is due in court in less than an hour. sandusky is accused of molesting 10 boys in the last 15 years. he says that aspects of abuse is not clear. the jetblue pilot who suffered an apparent mental break down during a flight, he may every face a court. a detention hearing that was set for today has been postponed until doctors have a chance to examine him. the l.a. coroner's office releasing its final autopsy

report. it says houston drowned facedown in a tub of hot water one foot deep. police found a white residue in her apartment. romney accused the president of being hypocritical and disingenuous with the american people. >> he wants us to re-elect him so we can find out what he'll actually do, with all the challenges that the nation faces, this is not the time for president obama's hide and seek campaign. >> romney also called the -- it's looking like pennsylvania or bust for rick santorum. and an advisor -- warning mitt romney supporters that negative

attacks won't work in his backyard. a chilling new memoir on the assassination of president kennedy, claims jackie kennedy tried to save a part of her husband's school. she leaped on to the back of the presidential limousine, and failed to retrieve the back of his head. soledad, i was flipping through some of the pictures, all these years later, it's just so sad, the whole thing. >> a really interesting book? >> he was grabbing his head. >> still ahead this morning on starting point, she's been a

dentist, she's been a doctor, she's been a paratrooper, now she would like to be president of the united states. who is this model candidate? also we'll tell you if a woman is going to finally get to put on the green jacket as a member of golf's premier augusta national club. here's john's play list, the rolling stones, "he e"she's lik rainbow." [ artis brown ] america is facing some tough challenges right now. two of the most important are energy security and economic growth. north america actually has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. a large part of that is oil sands.

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a masters golf tournament starts today at the augusta national golf tournament, since the club started in 1933, it has never given membership to a woman.

they have given green jackets to the ceos who sponsor the event. the chairman of the augusta national golf club says, listen, he doesn't want to hear it, the issue is a private matter. >> well, as has been the case, whenever that question is asked, all issues of membership are now and have been historically subject to the private deliberations of the members and that statement remains accurate and remains my statement. >> meaning none of your business, i'm not going to tell you what we're going to do. so joining us this morning ask professional golfer, a former lpga, as a hall of fame member,

how important is this dilemma, this conflict, if you will? >> well, you know, soledad, it's a horrible situation. i lived it, i grew up in savannah and it's not pretty, you know? the augusta national is in a pickle. so i see it as no relevance to me because i lived it and i think it's a false standard. >> how do you mean? >> that women should think that -- i think that -- i don't think that women should expect this to happen, yet ibm is in a pickle because they're a publicly traded company, they have stock holders, they have board of directors and we have our ways of having a social conscience. you know, we buy their products. so, you know, i say, you know,

women, you know, you voice your own concern. >> so back in 1990, they really ended racial discrimination was it chill creek. they didn't let women in that particular club so advertisers pulled out. i think it's odd that 12 years later that we're having a conversation about women not being allowed in the club. it just seems like, really? still today? do you think that the chairman has a point that he says, listen, it's a private club, they can do what they want. >> and they can do what they want to do. and getting back to the member at augusta, 22 years after martin luther king was killed, wasn't that nice they put an african-american member in there, and i think it was just to appease the pga, it made them looking very bad playing on a golf course that discriminate

against men and women and african-americans. it makes everyone look horrible, it makes ibm, it makes exxonmobil and the pg&e look very bad. >> is the solution to let in one female member? is the solution to say, everyone just shut up and mind your own business? >> i think the sponsors should make a comment. just like augusta national said they're going to have a problem. they put in donald trump as a member this year. so, you know, it just is -- it's not a pretty scene right now. here we are, 2012, talking about whether or not a woman should be a member.

>> soledad and hollis, i would love to help -- help me distinguish this, are we proposing there should be no gender based social clubs? when and when is it not appropriate to have clubs that are exclusively men or exclusively women? >> i'll let hollis answer that. >> i don't think there should be a problem having an all men, all women's course. but, you know, when you have sponsors that are promoting -- augusta is promoting itself through this membership of ceo sponsors, and when you have these ceos who have board of directors and stockholders, they have to answer to their stockholders. the membership -- and billy payne is absolutely right, they

can do whatever they want. but, you know, it's a pickle right now when they have these corporations as members. >> hollis stacy joining us, she's a former lpga player. thank you for talking with us. i think you're exactly right, it has nothing to do with being a private club, it has everything to do with sponsorship. >> while it's true, you're right, they have a right to do it, but women have a right to protest it. >> i'll about the sponsors, if you're a sponsor a private club? army investigators are getting their very first look at that afghan massacre, this morning afghan leaders are accusing the u.s. of getting in

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because she can stand on her own two feet in her pink outfit. so this is the newest barbie that they have -- this is actually a very big deal, it was kind of annoying that barbie couldn't stand up, you had to hold her when she was kissing ken. >> we all agree that ken will make a great first lady. >> they say that she has a glampain. whoever wrote the press release is the funniest thing i have ever read. barbie costs about $17. >> i'm going to give mattel a lot of credit because this is barbie's fifth run, and she still gets press coverage. she's like linden la roush in

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amazing, and she's getting girls involved in s.t.e.m., science and technology- we went to talk about a notorious case that happened in the wake of hurricane katrina in 2005. it was the shooting at dan zinger bridge in new orleans. police were called to the bridge, drove on to the bridge, guns firing, four people were killed, and four people were injured. it turned out that the people were just u crossing the bridge to find food. no one returned fire on the bridge. what happened after that was, the prosecutors say, that realizing that they had made a huge mistake, police started bringing together a cover-up. so eventually the u.s.

department of justice was brought in and there was a conviction. those who were convicted were given prison sentences that range from 6 years to 640 years. >> it's been very traumatic, very devastating, we're still going through devastation, still going through problems dealing with this. and one day when this is all open with we'll be able to get back to our lives. >> ronald's other brother joins us this morning to talk about this case. thanks for being with us, we certainly appreciate it. the sentencing judge said this, these looking glass plea deals -- there was a deal that

would allow what actually happened on that day to come forward. so he was clearly frustrated. how do you feel about it today? >> i didn't feel that it was justified. i feel that it had nothing to do with the plea agreements that were given in the beginning. if not for those plea agreements, the truth may have never come out. the other two families and my family fully supported the fbi. >> your brother was shot once in the shoulder and five times in the back. tell me about your brother ronald. >> ronald was mentally handicapped, he had the mental capacity of about a 6 to 8-year-old. he was very kind, very doting, he was really more introverted and he wasn't aggressive at all.

i don't see how they could have assumed that he was attacking them. as a matter of fact all the bullet wounds, two in the back initially, and then five more after that were all in the back. but he was really just walking away from them when they shot him the second time. >> the cops maintained at the very beginning through this cover-up that they had been attacked. and i know that your other brother, they tried to pin some murder accounts on him. tell me what happened that day as much as you have been able to piece together. i think people even outside of the city of new orleans, we remember this story well from what happened. >> okay, from what i understand, the family, the was crossing over the bridge to get to a winn dixie, it was used as an outpost to pass out supplies to people,

give them water and whatever supplies they could get. my two brothers left their home to come to the west side of that bridge, which is right by my office. i have two offices in new orleans and it was that office didn't flood, but they seeked refuge at the office. my brother had a key to the office. so they were headed back across the bridge toward the east, when the police pulled up in a u-haul van or a budget rental van and jumped out and started shooting people. when they saw that they were shooting people, they turned around and started running towards my office, and that's when they fired on both of my brothers. >> i wanted to ask you a final question about closure, because as you said, your brother was hit and hit numerous times and it was those bullets to his back

that killed him. people often talk about close your in these kinds of cases. do you think that ever happens? but this case is a notorious case for the nopd. >> i think the police department now know that they aren't above the law and that they can't just judicially hand out death sentences and expect to get away with it, whether it's a mistake or not. the biggest part of this situation was the cover-up, even more than the shooting. >> we appreciate you talking to us. >> thank you. still ahead on "starting point" this morning, kids on race, an "a.c. 360" special investigation. we talked to 13-year-olds about interracial relationships and

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we have been talking this week about that special "a.c. 360" study about children and race. we earlier began with 6-year-olds and then we moved into the 13-year-olds. when you're talking about 13-year-olds, you're really talking about dating that could include interracial dating. kids said they would date someone of a different race, but sometimes their parents' reaction could send a completely different message. do people start dating in middle school? >> yes. >> do you have a girlfriend? >> no. >> if you were to have a girlfriend and she was a white girl and you brought her home,

what would your mom and dad say? >> well, i don't know, it's just when i tell my parents what i did, i dated a white girl and they said, wthey're not racist, they say why not your own kind? they're not upset that i like white girls, they just ask why. >> tell me about that conversation. >> i know that conversation well. like you said, we don't care, but you know when you see your kid always steering towards a different race, you want to make sure that he doesn't have a problem with his own race and that's what it was basically why we sit and drill him and talking to him about, you know, you got a problem with your own race? because we never seen him with a black girlfriend. >> which brings us to luke.

we asked him also about interracial dating and here's what he said. do you think your parents would be fine if you decided to start dating a black girl and brought her home? >> honestly, my parents probably wouldn't be too happy because if i was to marry a black girl, you're connected to their family now and who knows what her family is really like. >> so they probably wouldn't be very excited about it. >> where do you think that came from? >> we have an older daughter and she came home and informed us that she had started dating an african-american boy she knew at school. we liked him a lot. it wasn't so much that we didn't want them dating about race per se. we don't know if he thought about some racial differences. we talked about it in that

respect. we recognize that sometimes there are cultural differences and we did talk about that, not that it's right or wrong, good or bad, it's just different. and we played the scenario out with our daughter in that respect. we have several friends who are married who are in interracial marriages, they have great marriages, they also have shared challenges at times. we try to be open about those kind of issues but to get it out on the table and make sure that which have talked about those things, because they're real. >> the parents were really really brave to sit down and talk to us. the take away we found was just conversations were good, because the kids were picking up those conversations, so actual sitdown discussions were really good. amanda beard, the public saw

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i'm back, everybody, new into cnn, jerry sandusky arriving at court. this happened just moments ago. sandusky is accused of 52 accounts of indecency with a child. sandusky has pleaded not guilty in that case. other news now, the story of a woman who debuted at the olympics in 1996 when she was just 14 years old. since then ammanda beard has wo 12 gold medals. beard suffered with a negative body image. she wrote a book called "in the

water they can't see you cry". >> this little girl always dreamed big. >> i was 10 years old watching the '92 olympics and i right then and there decided, that's what i wanted to do. >> reporter: four years later, swimmer amanda beard's dream did come true. she walked away from the '92 olympics and won two silver medals. >> i had a huge growing spurt. >> her growing body sparked her struggle with a negative body image. >> all of a sudden i wasn't swimming very well and i blamed that all on because i got bigger. >> reporter: uncomfortable in her new body, she turned to bulimia, she began using drugs and alcohol, she struggled with depression, but despite her inner demons she was excelling

at swimming. she would hide in the bathroom and use eye prow -- it wasn't until sasha beard discovered her self-destructive behavior that she got help to overcome it. now beard and photographer brown are happily married. they're proud parents of 3-year-old blaze. >> i west through all of these things, and here i am, happy, healthy, with a great family and trying to win the fifth olympics. >> she's 14 years old. she's this champion swimmer, she's going through puberty, her body's changing, and that led to an incredible struggle for her. so she's got this extremely successful public and professional life.

>> i have to assume that she's telling her story to help young women. to correlate -- it's that age where girls feel that they don't have anything to control so they can control that one thing. >> it's almost hard to find a community of support around you, because people don't expect you to be having those problems. she had to essentially hit rock bottom, she was cutting herself, she was self-destructive. and it took someone who ended up becoming her husband, who said, look, no judgment, i know you're hyper successful in your public life. no judgment, let's just get you help. and i guarantee there are people right now that are in that same position who need someone with no judgment to help them out. >> was it having someone next to her that could help her, was it

hitting rock bottom? what was it? >> i think it was hitting rock bottom and i pause a little bit before saying that, because there's this belief out there among many people that you have to hit rock bottom in order to get better, whether it's something like this or an addicti addiction. in her case it was true, she really did have to hit rock bottom. here she is in a bathing suit, and she's cutting her arms and legs, so she wanted people to see it. >> sanjay, thank you, nice to see you as always. back with our panel in just a moment. [ female announcer ] if whole grain isn't the first ingredient in your breakfast cereal, what is? now, in every box of general mills big g cereal,

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interesting title for this song, cory morrow, big city stripper, what's that about? who wants to start this morning? mr. graham, let's start with you. >> i would say my point would be, what i learned is it's not how other people define you, it's how you are able to define yourself. >> and that's why the title of the book is "identity, your passport to success". >> this weekend in albuquerque and seattle, i got to watch a 80-year-old woman in a wheelcir