themselves. so you find out a little bit more about them in a personal way, which is great. >> chaps, a great pleasure. i love the documentary. it's a great series and recommend everyone to watch it. much appreciate it. >> thanks, piers. >> steve carell and dave steinberg. >> i'm don lemon. wait till you see what we're working on for you tonight. cnn after dark, where most shows dare not go. >> the reason that trayvon martin is dead is not because he was black or because he wore a hoody. he decided to smack somebody in their face and break their nose. >> the case that has just about everyone seeing color. black, white, and every shade in between. when it comes to murder in america, does color really matter? i would just like some justice for my husband. >> her husband, shot 28 times by police.

get this -- he's a former cop who survived. now he says he's being railroaded by a blue wall of silence. high paid bounty hunter in fancy nfl uniforms? a cash for hits program encouraged by the coach. what were the new orleans saints thinking? they wanted to win? >> governor mitt romney. >> don't they make a handsome pair? the budding bromance between mitt and paul. is rom-ryan the gop ticket? the delicate dance of courting a vp. thank you for joining us. those stories in just a moment. first the news you need to know right now. in tulsa, oklahoma, three people are dead, two seriously wounded but expected to survive after a series of shootings that began friday morning. the killer is expected to be a white male, all the victims are black. but police are not currently calling this tragedy racially motivated. as bad as this looks, this scene

could have been much worse. seven people were injured, but one navy admiral calls this a miracle that no one was killed. he credits the two pilots who waited until the last minute to eject. one of them, a student pilot. a grand jury is expected to convene next week to take up the case of neighborhood watch volunteer george zimmerman. he's admitted to shooting and killing trayvon martin. zimmerman says he shot the teen in self-defense, but a grand jury may not be needed here. special prosecutor angela cory could decide to file charges on her own or delay the process if she needs more time to develop her case. more now on this story and much more. it's been 41 days since trayvon martin was shot and killed. the admitted shooter, a neighborhood watch volunteer. >> no justice, no peace!

no justice, no peace! >> so all of this has added to more than a month of outrage. protests and weeks of media coverage. we've been bombarded with images of crime scenes, conversations about shootings. gun laws. you would think from all this coverage that we're a nation overrun with crime and lawless people, just waiting to gun each other down any chance we get. and from the wall-to-wall coverage, you might think that racist trigger happy cops and other law enforcement types are just out there looking to kill black men. after all, trayvon martin is just the latest in a string of high-profile cases of unarmed black men who went to an early grave at the hands of law enforcement, who eventually got off or got light sentences. 1999, unarmed, shot and killed by four nypd officers who fired 41 shots. they were acquitted. 2006, sean bell, unarmed, shot several times by the nypd while leaving his bachelor party.

the cops were exonerated. 2009, oscar grant unarmed, fatally shot in the back by transit officers on a subway platform in front of horrified passengers. the officer was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, not second degree murder. and then the people who keep asking what about black on black crime, talk about that. what about how off black people kill white people, what about, what about. you get the picture. it is a serious and uncomfortable subject but the best opportunity we have seen to learn comes in the form of humor in the "daily show." >> lately there's a new suggestion that maybe we shouldn't focus on this one incident so much at all. >> nobody says a word about the fact that almost half of the murders in the united states are of black people and 90% of them are committed by other black people. >> national media doesn't do stories about black on black crime. >> where is the outrage about

the black on black crime. >> nobody has a march for them. it's outrageous. >> we're joined by larry willmore. >> thank you, john. two things. one, no one has marches against black on black violence? hmmm. these are just a few from the last six months. what do you think these people are doing? do you think there's that many tyler perry movie openings? >> i think there might be. >> and number two, the difference between the trayvon martin shooting and black on black crime is that word crime. you know, that thing that people get arrested for? since the court of public opinion is the only court that will take the case, everyone feels the need to jump in and defend or condemn zimmerman. to the right, he's a victimized dudley do right. and to the left, he's elmer fudd hunting down black people. shhh, be very quiet.

i'm racially profiling negros. here are the facts. check them out on fbi.gov. if you don't believe me. in 2011, preliminary figures show violent crime in the united states down 6.4%. that includes murders. now to doj.gov. the latest comprehensive united states justice report shows most people are murdered by someone of the same race. 94% of black murder victims are murdered by black people. 86% of white murder victims are murdered by white people. so that brings us to the what about chorus? and the media. so if the number of black on white and white on black murders are far lower, why so much outrage and focus and criticism about the media's coverage of stories about the trayvon martin case and the color of crime in this country and particularly murders? i'm going to pose all of those questions and many more to the

folks who know a lot about the subjects. people you see this on the screen. an expert on diversity, a media guru, social critic. a woman whose husband was shot 28 times by police officers. the color of crime murder suspect s and victims are subjects tonight and that's not all we are discussing. there are people calling for the head of a new orleans saints assistant coach caught on tape urging players to hurt the other team in the worst way. fran tarkenton is leading the pack on that. and who will mitt romney take to the republican national prom or the national convention? he's been seen courting a few fellas. we will talk about that. and -- ♪ crispy chicken, three cheeses ♪ >> it's catchy, but really, fried chicken? what's next, watermelon? is it racist? top quality lobster is all we catch.

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black community compared to the white community. in the same year, comparing rates of people committing murder it was seven times higher for blacks than whites. this is crucial. from 1976 to 2005, 94% of black murder victims were murdered by black people. and people are usually murdered by people of their own race including white people. it is 84% for white people. my guests are remarkable people and i'm looking to them for their unique insight. buck davis is goldie taylor, a cultural critic. she's here as much as i am. and some of the best social commentary has come from comedians, from will rogers to jon stewart to larry willborn. dean obadallah is joining us from columbus, ohio. good to see you, dean, again. dean and i sat on a plane a couple weeks ago right next to each other. listen nchs, you have heard all

of those discussions. we talked about this last week. the media is doing all this coverage on the trayvon martin case. but what about black on black crime? what about white on white crime. or white on black, black on white. that's not the trayvon martin story. those are legitimate stories and now we are here to the talk about it. what do you garner from the numbers and what you saw in in the first block. >> the numbers are personal to me. black on black crime hit our house in a very specific way. there isn't a man in our family older than 28 years old. when you look at hiv, sickle cell, stroke, heart disease and murder, those men aren't there by their own choice but because someone or something took them away. my father and brothers were both murdered. all of those crimes are unsolved. that is very specific to me. what i make of the coverage is all of these are relevant and important stories to cover. you have so much real estate on a newscast but if you want to

find black on black crime or white on white crime tune in to your local news every night. it is covered, it is covered every day. what isn't getting this coverage it deserves are the number, the sheer number of protests of people coming together around this country to talk about what's happening in their communities. it happened in my town of st. louis, in philadelphia. there are dozens upon dozens of marchs in chicago every year. people are fighting to combat these issues in a significant way. >> you watch the news and all you see are the mug shots. it used to be the perp walk. they outlawed it in most places. >> i'm excited about the attention that people placed on black on black crime in the last week. i have never heard white people bring up black on black crime to this extent and i think it is an important issue. as you said, most murders in this country occur

interrationally. it is people who are strug nlg this country that are having such a problem. people who are on drugs who have the issue. i feel like in the last couple of weeks that white folks have tossed in this black on black notion to divert the true issue of racism in this country. i feel like this conversation is so hard for us to have. it is filled with such poison in this country that we have created that it makes the conversation almost unbearable. to the point where if i can say you people are harder on your people than our people are harder on your people it removes me from the equation. >> interesting. interesting. >> hang on goldie. i want to bring in dean. dean, it is funny you and i were

on a plane as a brown person and we tweeted a black man and a muslim man walk on to a plane, board a plane dot dot dot and it was a funny moment. what do you make of the conversation black on black and brown on brown crimes. it is the same thing. people are murder by pooim people of their own race. >> they are but to me, the idea this is a distraction resonates as true and despicable. it is brought up by conservatives to distract us from the trayvon martin story. that should be the focus the facts of the case, should zimmerman be arrested. of course i think he should be. but this is a distraction by people on the right. i don't honestly think care about black on black crime whatsoever. it is the same thing with rush limbaugh. different stakes involved but the idea of attacking bill maher saying rush was bad but bill maher is just as bad. it is a distraction from the true case. distraction from the trayvon

martin case is despicable and a distrakts from the right. >> i want to say to the the entire panel here when we talk about the case, racism, media focus, whatever, it is nothing to do with the guilty or innocence of george zimmerman. no one is saying that george zimmerman is guilty because we are covering the story, because this is a peg to cover a legitimate news story. no one is saying he is innocent but people have taken it by the amount of coverage on the story that some way people are finding george zimmerman guilty. >> sure. at the end of the day, if you look at the department of justice stats and the african-american community, one to two percent of the african-american community is committing nearly half of the violent crime in the country. to turn around and stereotype an entire race of people, an entire culture of people because of what one or 2% are out doing today and by the way, they are being investigated, convicted and going to jail for severe

lengthy sentences to stereotype on that is a misnomer. >> great discussion. this is a another layer, black and blue. what do cops see first. when it comes to their own the crime or the color of your skin? plus -- >> i would like some justice for my husband. >> her husband shot 28 times by police. get this, he's a former cop who survived. now he says he is being railroaded by a blue wall of silence. the most spectacular experiences are happening here. imax now showing on the big board. good gravy, bill. our insurance company doesn't have anything like it. magnificent, isn't it?

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is a police shooting case that is garnering a lot of attention on social media. i'm not talking about the trayvon martin case. it's a curious case of howard morgan, a former chicago police officer, eight years on the force. during a traffic stop in 2005, members of the same department he worked for shot him 28 times after saying he pulled a weapon first. he survived and this week he was sentenced to 40 years for attempted murder and discharging a firearm at a police officer. his wife, roslyn, is here live and we'll talk to her in a moment. but first, his story from julian cruz of wgn. >> reporter: holding a picture of her husband, an emotional roslyn morgan talks to reporters after the sentencing. >> he's a man of god, a beautiful husband, a beautiful grandfather. >> reporter: morgan and a growing number of community leaders say it never added up, the police account of the fierce gun battle in 2005, where investigators say morgan, a police officer with the railroad and a former chicago police

officer himself, fired 17 rounds at his former comrades, wounding three officers. defense lawyers pointed to 28 gunshots suffered by morgan. but earlier this year, a criminal courts jury found morgan guilty of three counts of attempted murder. >> i think the jury spoke loud and clear. they did not believe this defendant's argument. this is not a conspiracy. >> reporter: you may remember, morgan was acquitted on lesser charges back in 2007 in the same dints. morgan supporters say they will appeal on the grounds that the retrial constitutes double jeopardy. >> if double jeopardy is not applied, who can double jeopardy be applied to? i would just like some justice for my husband! >> all of these pastors, leaders and internationally well-known people around the world calling us and saying they don't believe it. >> reporter: morgan had been free on bond but he was taken

into custody today in a tense cook county courtroom packed with police officers and morgan supporters. >> >> there she is, right there, howard morgan's wife, roslyn joins us now. thank you so much for joining us. before we talk about guilt or innocence and the court battle and what's going on, what about media coverage? why don't you think the national media -- why do you think the national media hasn't paid attention to your husband's case until now? >> i don't know why they have not paid attention to it. i believe it's a high profile case. and it seems like they want to act as though it never took place. however, it did take place. i contacted so many channels and asked them would they please view the story regarding my husband, but i got very little or no feedback at all. >> mrs. morgan, your husband, in court, they say he pulled a weapon first and shot a police officer and he got 40 years.

there are many, especially those in the pd ptd, who say your husband got what he deserved not to be shot but to be found guilty. >> i don't believe that because my husband is not guilty. my husband would not pull a weapon. he's been a police officer for over 21 years. he loved being a police officer to serve and protect the communities and society. now, ask yourself, why would my his i band, one block from our home, literally around the corner from our home in this lawndale area, pull his weapon after being a policeman for over 21 years in law enforcement? why would he just pull his weapon out and shoot three police officers? and he's a policeman himself? that's ludicrous. i'll never believe that. and anyone that would know my husband would never believe it

themselves. >> mrs. morgan, we reached out to the chicago police department for a statement we didn't get a specific response from them. you have said there are many discrepancies to this case. what do you mean by that? >> well, if they said my husband pulled his weapon, which he did not, i don't believe that. the second thing is he was snatched out of his car, push ed down to the ground, feeling hands all over him. they took his weapon from him. so if they took his weapon from him, how could he have fired his weapon they were surrounding him, i'm told, and 21 times in the back parts of his body, they shot him. that wasn't enough. then seven times in the front parts of his body. they shot him more times. why would he take his weapon and fire 17 rounds of ammunition at police officers when he was a policeman himself? that's ludicrous. >> mrs. morgan --

>> there was a first trial. >> we're going to be following this particular story here on cnn and on this show, you can better believe it. we appreciate you joining us here on cnn. thank you so much. i can only imagine what you are going through. >> thank you. we're going to move on now. it's been very heavy here. we have covered some serious things. we will take a pause to re-examine many of the serious issues and we will do it through humor. we're going to try. we're going to take a pause from >> we're going to have a racist time-out. >> what? >> america, for the next five minutes, no matter what is said, >> so listen, we're going to rip it off. we're ripping off the daily show. we're going to try that here. cnn's version of a racism free zone. this lineup is dying to weigh in, i'm sure. set our watches. our racist time out straight ahead.

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okay, let's do it, let's take a racist time-out and listen to jon stewart and his senior black reporter, larry willborn. >> it seems we can't even begin to talk about this actual case because it dissolves into people with charges of racism. >> exactly. that's exactly right. that's why we're going to have a racist time-out. >> what? >> america, for the next five minutes, no matter what is said, nobody is racist. >> a racist time-out? >> a racist time-out? >> jon, focus.

the point is this, if we remove accusations of racism, we can talk calmly about the racial elements of this story. >> so there is some racism in this story? >> are you kidding me, we have a hispanic guy with a jewish name killing a black guy. it has to be in there somewhere. good lord. follow me, jon. george zimmerman sees a black guy in a hoodie. black guys in hoodies have been breaking in to homes. so it may not be racist but race. >> i zimmerman follows him renn though the police told him not to to. that has to be racish. >> no, that is stupid. the one thing we know for sure is zimmerman killed trayvon and the police let him go. >> so the police were racist. >> not this time. they were following the law. according to stand your ground, as long as zimmerman felt

threatened he had the right to use legal force. >> stand your ground law is racist. i get now. >> no you don't get it. shut up. >> all right. >> you tell the cop cans you were standing your ground and they will give you the benefit of the doubt. that's the culprit. >> aha! the benefit of the doubt is racist. >> exactly, jon. >> he goes on to say that's because black men are never given or rarely given the benefit of the doubt. my panel is back. dean, you are the comedian here. >> yes. >> the truth is often spoken in jest sometimes. i think that was brilliant. >> it was. >> if you call me a terrorist or camel jockey, i will never forgive you. you can call me arab and muslim.

we can call each other names and are being playful. we all know the difference between playful and demonizing and hateful and having a good time with each other. that's the standard we need. this war on comedy or political correctness, the political correct world where you can't say anything. i think we are adult to know the difference between someone being hateful and playful. >> dean and i have been in this before. we traded barbs over twitter over what i thought were stereotypes about people who live and work in the south. and he said, hey, back off. it is just comedy, but as a southerner i took offense. i think it is really about context. it has to be about context. i don't know what happened to trayvon. i don't know what happened that night. i don't know why he was stopped. i don't know why the police didn't fully investigate. i don't know. i know that a really bad thing happened and it ought to go to court and that's i think the jury ought to sort it out. >> there are many people -- and remember this is our racism, racist free zone, dean.

feel free to jump in. i can't say the words that you said. >> you can't. i can say anything you want about white people because you can't offend white people. it is impossible. i'm not kidding. you can mock the majority. there is no term that has me a stigma. if you call me a sand n i'm going to be upset with you. >> you can say camel thing but as a black person i can say it. >> i can't say honky or cracker or any of those other things but i have white friends that can say them. they can use them in jest or use them as self depreciating humor. i can say other words that i choose not to maybe on air. i just wish we could have -- wish we could come together as we are rather than who we think

we ought to be. >> go ahead, dean. >> if i said, buck, may man, you are a cracker, would you be upset. even if i said it hatefully. would that offend you? >> no not at all. because i have not had decades of oppression tossed in my face. >> i would be offended by that. >> if i heard it i would be offended. that's a weird thing. when someone calls me like, we talked about the racist tweets i have been getting. i'm getting them now. >> i apologize. >> see that's the thing. people are apologizing, why because you are -- what? >> because i sent them to you. >> because you are too politically correct. you are too politically correct. this is racism free. don't feel bad for me. it motivates me to speak the truth. not everyone is going to agree with you. when i said that word, the "n" word, i hate saying the "n" word. i think it takes the value out of what that word really means especially ly when we are

reporting it and i don't care what color the of the person is. >> i think you confuse white people when you yooi use the "n" word. if you can use it why can't we use it. >> not in that context. i hate it in music. i hate it in those kinds of things when it is rap and all of that. but in the reporting of a story you should say the word, not to sanitize it. >> white people aren't con feud by the use of the word nigger. when they say it toward someone else who is black, they mean it generally speaking in a derogatory fashion. >> okay. >> not confused about the word. we know what the word is. we are confused because you use it and we don't. >> go ahead, dean. >> i cannot say the n word. it would trouble me to no end. and i don't know why. maybe it's the world i grew up

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>> that's former new orleans defensive coordinator williams. no doubt h he wants his players to intimidate the other team. for his part the league suspended him indefinitely. another clip showed how far he wanted them to go. we need to decide whether he wants to be a [ bleep ] prima donna or he wants to be a tough guy. we need to find that out. he becomes human. take out that outside acl. >> that is him apparently telling him to hit michael crabtree and deliberately hurt a ligament in his knee. this audiotape pushed some people to call for his suspension to be made permanent. one person who would like to see williams banned is nfl hall of famer fran tarkenton. i asked the former quarterback whether this kind of tough talk was typical in locker rooms. he didn't mess around when he

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two big names, mary jane blige and burger king. sounds like it should be a commercial success, but here's what came out of it. >> what's in the new chicken snack wrap? >> what's in the new chicken wraps. >> mary? ♪ crispy chicken, fresh lettuce, three cheeses, tasty tortilla, crispy chicken ♪ >> it's catchy, right? what do you think? they're dancing. can you show them? they are dancing. >> >> i'm reenforcing the negative stereotypes around white people that they can't dance. ♪ ♪ three cheeses >> it is catchy. when we played it in the

newsroom it is like, wow, that's really catchy. my thing is, i don't know if you ever heard tosh.0, he has a thing, is it racist. so is it? >> i don't think it's racist, i think it's dumb. i make ads for a living, it's what i do. it is multicultural marketing and rerepresent a number of global brands but whoever is the copy writer is should be fired. whoever did her hair should be fired. >> mary is getting paid. there are a lot of southern stereotypes about us folk. if burger king was going to pay me $2 million about eating grits or kissing my cousin, i would do it. >> this is the first time. mary's been fantastic. this is the first error. >> yeah. >> it was just a bad commercial. >> i know. >> in the open, dean, i felt a little bad because i said, chicken, mary, what's next,

watermelon? i was pushing it a bit but people love mary j. blige. there has to be a humorous moment here? >> i loved the commercial. i don't know what the problem is. i love chicken and i want to buy the chicken. she is a black face and singing about chicken. >> she is a black face. she is natural black face. >> i honestly don't know the problem with the ad because she's singing about chicken because black and white people like chicken. it's my favorite food in the world. why is that a problem? she is not dressed like a chicken or really demeaning. >> wendy williams had something to say. >> it is a stereotype. >> wendy williams said there are three things she loves that you will never see her do on tv. she said i love chicken, i am not going to eat it on tv or eat watermelon on tv or drink a

fruit punch drink because it has stereotypes. >> i love chicken and watermelon and will eat it anywhere you like. and if you pay me $2 million -- >> political correctness just is me. do you think this is political correctness run amok? >> in some regards i do. but the heart of the matter is it was poorly written and executed. >> i want to move on to the morning show awards. katie couric hosting good morning america. nbc puts sarah palin on "the today show", goldie, who do you think won. >> sarah palin won the ratings war with that thing. there were many people who said they would not watch "the today show" that morning or ever again after sarah palin was on, but fact of the matter is although she had a rocky airing it was -- it beat katie couric and turned in another winning show. >> what is interesting is knowing the behind the scenes dynamic to have katie couric

come in, promote her that heavily and then robin, who's been getting all of the ratings is like what the -- and the same thing to bring sarah palin in for anne who an elegant and fantastic journalist is like, i love katie. >> i could live another 100 years without hearing sarah palin's voice again and i would be fine with that. >> and robin roberts is the most gracious woman i have ever met. stick around. we are going to talk about nfl bounty. . it thought this was funny with katie on good morning america. >> we are thrilled to have you katie. >> thank you, matt. i mean george. ♪

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to you. i'm not -- people are talking about gregg williams never playing and should be banned from the league. i don't believe that. >> you don't think he should be banned. >> i don't think that. i think he has been a good coach for a number of years. he's the face of the scandal and rightfully so. the saints were told to stop. the saints continued to do what they were doing. that doesn't mean you throw away the guy's career. the type of coach he is and the way he got the saints to play with agregs. by the way, the saints won the ring. people are trying to kill can it all. it is a terrible situation. >> all right. listen, i have to say i'm from louisiana. i love the saints. my mom is in love with drew brees. she calls him breesy my baby. love it. but wrong is wrong. to think that this happened to a city that needed it so much, a

team that needed to become america's team. >> it is terrible, don. it isser the thbl is the end cap for what the saints have done the last couple of years. they had katrina, came back and played tough. obviously they won a super bowl but to say the guy should be banned forever, that's very, very strong to me. i think he will be gone for a couple of years. rightfully so. >> i hear players saying, okay, this is trouble. either he should be -- even fran said he thinks he should be prosecuted. i think the fans, the people who play fantasy football and stuff. this is a wussification of sports everybody does this. >> players need to be aggressive. you want defense to tackle and hit hard. those are the type of defenders i want on my team today. we were talking about it the other day. some of the toughest guys in football, those are the guys you want on defense.

you hear all of these cliches and punch him in the mouth, hit him hard but to tell your team to go after somebody's knee and head over and over. now, telling the saints to specifically go after a player who was injured the week before to try to get him out, hey, tough sport. this is a physical, tough sport. you want your guys to be aggressive and attack. look at me getting all hot talking about this. i want to play football. >> sweatin'. do you have a towel. >> i have one of these james browns moments. i am getting hot. >> once the lights go out anything can happen and it did. cnn after dark final thoughts next.

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their attributes. judge people by what they are not who you think they are. >> football, is a violent sport. it's a tough sport, it's a physical sport. what gregg williams did not what most coaches do. it is the ultimate team sport, fantastic sport. you have to be tough and physical but this guy is not the example of how most coaches are. it's still the great sport you know and love and we are number one for a reason. we love for you to keep watching us. >> the couldn't bounty is a horrible thing but goldie offered me money to trip jamal. take that chicken sandwich out of your pocket. >> you said a lot. you said it is a white man, in seriousness, what's your come to jesus benediction moment? >> my hope tonight is specifically for white people that you have listened to this

conversation with your best self tonight. that you have suspended any of those small voices in your head that maybe doubting perspectives a t the table in hopes that you are walking away, seeing things a little differently than you had at the beginning of the hour. >> i'd like to read them. put up the prompter and i will raet read them. my come to jesus moment is, it's not on the screen yet. i will read them later. my come to jesus moment about the show is about able to say the "n" word on the air. take the sweets off the screen. to say "n" word on the air and sand n. this is cable news at 10:00 at night. it is a conversation we all need to have. by the way, because we are having this conversation doesn't mean we are racist or race baiting or presuming guilty for george zimmerman or what have you. it is a great conversation to have. you saw some of the tweet