now facing up to five years in prison. erin burnett will be back here with benjamin netanyahu. "piers morgan tonight" starts right now. tonight the one man who knows president obama better than just about everybody anything. rahm emanuel. on president obama, mitt romney, and the battle for the white house. >> if it was up to mitt romney, we wouldn't have an auto industry. >> the bare knuckle politics, his bold plan for keeping america great, and his new battle for world peace. >> i wanted kids to have this opportunity to speak and learn from people who stood up and made a difference. also the passion of sean penn. he puts his life on the line for causes. >> i am pro-american in the sense of the constitution of america.

>> tonight sean penn on politics and the movie business. and i take him to task about these outrageous comments. also a guy named world peace does something unpeaceful. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. i'm in chicago. where nobel peace prize winners are gathering. they're all here to promote global peace and how one person can make a difference. our big story tonight, the exclusive with rahm emanuel. better known for his take no prisoners style. as president obama's former white house chief of staff. tonight he's talking about keeping america great starting with his hometown of chicago. and an interview later with sean penn. he's being honored here for his commitment about human rights. listen to what he says about that. >> i've got a better gras grasp that i'll be able to take the

things i've been affected by there and perhaps they'll fit into the work i do elsewhere. >> our big story tonight. rahm emanuel. we're here at one of several chicago schools where emanuel has brought nobel peace prize winners to speak to students. welcome. or rather thank you for welcoming me. are you aware of the history of this school? barron vonn stubin? >> are you aware? >> i'm aware he was george washington's ruthless chief of staff and was responsible for annihilating a lot of brits. >> vonn stubin was in the army. hamilton has a view of whether he was in fact part. but part you're missing is my mother graduated from here. there's more than the history of the name of the school. if i didn't mention that, it'd be a long year for me. >> you were born in chicago. you went to school here. and your mother went to this particular school.

people say that the bedrock of any great nation is education. >> without a doubt. >> do you agree with that? >> piers, you and i wouldn't be doing this interview if it wasn't for the love of our parents and the education we received. that's true for any individual. also going to be true for a family, city, country. if you educate your students, you educate your young and even in yo our lifetime now, lifetime education, you have the potential for anything coming at you and anything you want to do in life. >> america's falling behind in education. globally. why is that? >> well, the fact is that we haven't focused like we need to on our educational system. and i wouldn't so much say america is falling behind as america's not catching up. we need to focus on our community colleges to make sure we have an entire workforce trained for the economy. whether that's mba programs,

four year institutions, and technical education. and i think you have to not look at one or the other but the entire -- i would say menu of higher education. because 3/4 of the jobs in the future will require a post-high school at least minimum two year education. >> your big idea which i like -- >> i'll take that as an endorsement. >> i'm endorsing this idea. not all of it, but this idea. you have been very exercised about the fact that in chicago the hour of students come to school is not enough. it averaged five and a half hours. you want to push that to seven and a half hours. to me that makes perfect sense. as you said, that allows the debate about whether you chose social over sciences. it's a debate. it has a enough time for a rounded education to do it all. >> first of all, i don't want to again repeat, but you and i wouldn't be here on a five hour and 45 minute day.

and the shortest amount of time in class and the shortest school year of any major city in the country. our teachers are -- and our students are caught in a false choice educational system. the system is working against them. >> your mother produced three some would say brilliant men. i would go along with that. you rose to the higher echelons of american politics. one of your brothers is a huge hollywood talent superstar. and your third brother, probably the most talented is a brilliant physician. >> except us. we'd have to veto. >> but we would all agree with the third brother. talk about your mother's ethos for her children. >> albany park is where she grew up. as i talked there to the students, my father's side came to the country leaving europe. now, the first ethos if you want to use that is the importance of

being an immigrant. you came to this america because of the unique opportunity. you came to chicago, the most american of american cities because of the opportunity to give your children something they could not get. >> how does she define the opportunity to you at the time? >> first of all, it's a couple things. one of the things my parent had on our family room wall were pictures of relatives who never made it to america. in the middle of that were the passports of my grandmother and two great aunts. it was their way of reminding you're lucky. now use it. second, and something i try to learn from. i think -- and i say this as a criticism of my generation. i think we're over-involved in our kids' lives. we need to leave our kids more to fail. we try to protect our kids too much. >> i totally agree with this. modern kids don't -- are you encouraged to understand losing. >> to fail.

and because if you look at one of the things i say at graduations all the time. while these are great milestones, the test of character is what happens when you face adversity, how you pick yourself up. >> what was your biggest ever failure? >> i've had two. that i can think of for me. one is i nearly lost my job working for president clinton. that was something i worked all my life to get to. the other time is i'd cut my finger because of carelessness. i was in the hospital for seven weeks and for a 48 hour period of time nearly died. and my three roommates, i don't know if you call them -- i guess they were roommates. >> which was the finger? >> the middle finger on my right hand. >> it was semi-amputated right? >> yeah. they had died at different times. i think knowing the value of life. those are different times and what happened for me after that. >> what did you learn about yourself?

>> well, from the one incident in the hospital, never, ever take life for granted. more importantly than that, i wanted to get everything i could out of life. you never know when it could flip on you. second, while i had worked all my time to get to the white house, i realized at any moment that could go and i needed to change how i was focusing. my whole thing, though, and i want to get back to this. is giving your children an education in school. remember one thing i want to also emphasize. i believe we have great kids, great teachers, locked in a system that is not working with them. do not lose sight of the fact that the most important door a child walks through for their education is the front door of their home. i could not of succeeded at school if my parents didn't teach me the value of that education. and what's missing here is teachers need parents as partners to succeed. they also need a principal like mr. alonzo here who set a tone for the building.

>> tell me. how responsible can a president be and an administration to the realty of a school like this? and how much is actually down to a mayor and to local education? >> first of all, you have from the top through the classroom and including the kitchen where parents talk to their kids in their house. you have to have a culture of accountability. a president sets a tone. a secretary of administration sets a tone. i reward president obama for taking on reform. and that's what the race to the top was. you have to make major changes in how we teach and holding people accountable. i believe that as mayor i'm going to be held accountable. i've held goals not just in k through 12. i believe in being held accountable. >> here in chicago, you have the world peace summit. and unbelievably, you've persuaded mickael gosh chof to come to school.

what is the idea of bringing them to a school like this? >> first, we have the robert f. kennedy foundation, the nobel peace prize winners from around the world. president jimmy carter, mickael gorbachev will be here. i wanted them to speak and learn from people who stood up and made a difference. for peace. made a difference for economic and social and political justice. and i wanted our kids the opportunity in the city of chicago not to see some summit on the news if they saw it. or on some blog. but to interact with these leaders. we're going to have them here for three days. i think it gives a unique stance for the students. >> take a short break. i want you to put a teacher hat on. give a report on president obama and your ideas on how to keep america great.

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now, rahm's not even six feet tall. he probably weighs about 150 pounds dripping wet. but in all the ways that matter, he's a very big person for this job. >> president bill clinton campaigning in january last year for rahm emanuel. here to talk about keeping america great. >> it's okay. i can handle it. he knows when i work for him i was 6'2." i lost it all there. >> you are obviously famously known as president obama's right hand guy. you still talk to him regularly. he listens to you most.

give me a school report. we're in a school. if you are being dispassionate and being the teacher. saying president obama, tick, tick, tick, cross, cross, cross. >> first of all, he inherited a country that the economy was spiraling more than just the recession into something much more severe. an auto industry that was weeks away from totally shutting down and collapsing. which was about a million plus manufacturing jobs. the industrial base of america. a financial sector not just the savings and loan frozen up to the point you couldn't get a car loan, student loan, or home loan. nothing could move. america's reputation around the world because of iraq and afghanistan, a decade worth of war was not what it was when you think of the american century. we were not held in high regard. and he literally piece by piece

put this country back on track. today the auto industry is hiring again. it wasn't. it was literally closing doors at one point. the financial sector is lending again much healthier. the economy rather than losing 750,000 jobs a month is now somewhere around 200,000 a month gaining jobs. and every sector, is it different? is it traverse enough? he'd be the first to tell you. is the middle class more secure? no. are they where they were before? much better but we have a long way to go. we have work to do but we can't -- >> what would you put into the must do better box? >> he'd be the first to say the more things to do in sense of getting the middle class the economic security they need. they came off -- literally for the first time in american history from 2000 to 2010, the median income declined. it was the first time in american history the middle class went backwards, not forwards.

and you cannot have another decade in which the middle class falls farther behind. that's not healthy for the economy. that's not healthy for the country. that's not healthy for the political process. and the middle class are squeezed economically. we need to continue to give college assistance for their kids to health care to economic security so they can hold on to the american dream and pass something to their children that today is under assault. >> only one american president in history, i think, has ever been elected with unemployment above 8%. the poll suggests it's pretty close with the assumed nominee mitt romney. president obama, your guy, has a fight on his hands, doesn't he? how is he going to win the economic argument against mitt romney who will be chucking the kitchen sink at him saying i'm the business guy to get out of this. >> the policies that mitt romney advocate are the policies that got us into it. it's hard to get out of it with policies that got us into the mess.

second, the president also is more trusted when it comes to fighting for and protecting the middle class. and this still while under assault, the middle class is still the heart and soul in this country. and we'll talk about student loans. the question is, whose side are you going to be on? how are you going to help those students? we have a 90% graduation rate. if they don't get to college, they don't finish college, their individual economic opportunity and gains as well as for the city of chicago and for the country are diminished. we live in an era of where you earn what the learn. >> people assumed that president obama would come in and fulfill the greatest expectation in the history of american presidents. and clearly he hasn't because probably nobody could. but has he been frustrated, do you think, that he can't force the rate of change as much as he'd like to. and what does he blame that on?

>> i'm not going to speak for him. you have a political system that needs to measure up to the challenges we have that measures up to the greatness of the people of this country. and does he want change? yes. and he wants change in a direction that helps middle class. i would say clearly mitt romney's economic policies want to take us to a point in time which actually led to this crisis we've had. in the auto industry, the financial sector and economy as a whole. remember. if it was up to mitt romney we wouldn't have an auto industry. he said let them go. president obama said no. and who's right for that industry is who's right for this country. >> what do you think in the end the american voter will decide where to place their vote on this election? >> piers, you can't -- there's not a thing. they'll look at both the individuals, their character, their judgment, and their policies.

and people will weigh each of those differently. but those are going to be an assortment of things. i think over the arc of time, they'll see the individuals and their policies and who they want to go in the oval office and fight. piers, here's the thing. nothing going into that oval office is easy. they're going to ask themselves a fundamental question. the president and mitt romney will ask. whose voices will get heard at that oval office desk? whose interest will get served? whose concerns will be listened to? and i think the big concern voters have about mitt romney is their concerns won't be heard at the desk because he has not had a career of hearing those. not only hearing them, fighting for them. >> america's not the land of opportunity b that it was when your mother was at this school. america has got big problems right now. >> no. i don't buy that. >> you don't buy that? >> nope. i think we have a great opportunity to shape things in

the future to continue america's greatness. the question is are we willing to take the risks head on? you can shape your future or be shaped by it. what i'm trying to do in the city of chicago is whether it's college to career which is what we're doing so they're focused on giving. and what we're doing in k through 12 for the fundamentals to learn. what we're doing recruiting businesses and investing in our infrastructure so we can move our goods and services faster and be productive. we can meet these challenges. we know what they are. we know the policies to solve them. the question is will you meet those challenges and get done what you need done? or will you be shaped by them? >> what does being an american mean to you? >> it means a great country with great people and great promise. the question is will you give that to your next generation?

my father came to this country, my grandfather came to this country to give both their children and grandchildren something better. i am hoping that's exactly what i'm going to do for my children. i am hoping as mayor that's what i do for the kids of this city. the opportunity like senau in the other room whose parents came here from saudi arabia. she's on her way to northwestern with a four year scholarship. that was never going to be achieved in saudi arabia or yemen. no offense to these countries. she's graduated with a 4.0, has four years going to northwestern, wants to be a film writer. where else but in america? this is the greatest country with the greatest potential. >> let's take another break. let's come back and talk about a particular issue that chicago faces. gang crime, black teenagers killing other black teenagers. and how it relates to the trayvon martin case and race in

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no other city can claim mo nobel lauriettes in the united states. we are lucky to have one of the great peacemakers of the past

century with us today. former president mickael gorbachev. >> chicago mayor rahm emanuel introducing mickael gorbachev today. rahm emanuel is back with me talking about keeping america great. chicago. you've been mayor now for still less than a year. but 60% higher homicides in the first quarter of this year is a shocking statistic. everybody looks at chicago now and thinks what the hell is going on, you know, with places like englewood with young black teenagers killing young black teenagers indiscriminantly. what are you going to do about this? and what does it say about race in america? >> first of all, i was in englewood yesterday in a church. the strength of that church, the strength of that congregation is

what we need on the streets. second of all, our overall crime rate is down 11%. but we have a gang problem. and also kids raised with no sense of values when it comes to life. that they can indiscriminantly shoot gang on gang violence. it's unacceptable. and as i said at that church, if a kid's shot in little village or in englewood, that's a tear in our city. no one can say that's down there. that's over there. no. that's in our city. that's unacceptable. we have a great city with great people. number two is about getting more police on the street and the guns off the street. the access to guns are unacceptable. we need a change in policy. we've empowered communities to shut down the liquor stores in the neighborhood. okay? but it is working on a strategy that takes guns out of gangs, puts gangs on notice, that these streets belong to our kids, our families. they don't belong to you.

>> you've been vocal on gun law in the past. when you look at the trayvon martin case, to me the race element is a slight red herring to the bigger problem. it's not something you can negate and it may be that the trial reveals there was a form of racial profiling. but in relation to what actually happened, george zimmerman is using the stand your ground law in florida. and the fact he was allowed to just walk around with a gun anyway as his defense, what do you think of that part of the debate on the trayvon martin case? >> look. i'm the mayor of the city of chicago. i'm focused on what's happening in englewood, little village, in our community and neighborhoods here. that individual case, there's a gun element to it. there's a racial element to it. there's criminal justice. i think the policies on those type of gun laws are the opposite why i fought for the brady bill and the juvenile brady bill. my time, my energy is making sure the kids in the city of chicago can walk to school

thinking of their studies, not their safety. >> half the states in america -- >> not illinois. illinois stands out. >> i know that. but mayor bloomberg has been very vocal saying stand your ground is unacceptable. do you agree with that? >> yeah. it's totally unacceptable. i would like to see our state which is why i introduced a law as it relates buying a title for a gun like you do for a car or anything else. but my time and energy is not to the case in miami. there's enough voices to that. i have my thoughts on it. my time and energy is making sure our police departments are doing what they need to do. the people of faith are out in their communities. which is why we're working both in englewood to bring up that neighborhood, little village, west garfield, all our communities to give our families sense of security. without that, everything else you're trying to do is that much harder. >> the secret service scandal. when you see secret service agents serving the president that way it's not good for the message here.

>> i don't know what the kids here are thinking about this. i don't know how you can do that. i can't do it. i think anybody in a position of authority or a position of with responsibility should act according to that office. in the sense of the responsibility that comes with it, the authority that comes with it. that goes beyond the secret service. there are good men and women in the department. the people who have done that have not besmirched only their career, but the department. that's true of all of us in public life. it's true about you guys in media. it's true in other institutions who have fallen short from the role and responsibility and voice that our voice carries in the sense of that responsibility. so i don't -- can i look at them in the secret service? yeah. but i don't want to step own a pedestal and look down. there's people in public life who in my view haven't carried out what they need to do.

so all of us should know this. when you have a unique position, which you do piers and i do as mayor, it comes with something of responsibility. which is why i think -- let me get back again to the schools. i think over years people agree to things that people of responsibility acted irresponsible that shouldn't have happened. we never should have gotten to a situation in chicago having the shortest school year and school day in the country. we should not be where our gun laws are working against our criminal justice system. they could be complimentary. and why do i say i'm still optimistic about the future? if we take responsibility and do the tough things, we have a great future for us. we cannot only be proud of the country but make something of themselves. this is america and you can still do that. which is not true in other countries. >> mr. mayor, it's been a pleasure. i know you're going to leave me now for mickael gorbachev.

>> i don't want you to thb i'm trading up. >> thank you. coming up, sean penn. sean penn will be honored with the 2012 peace summit award

sean penn will be honored with the 2012 peace summit award this week. and he joins me now. sean, when you were in school, what was the big dream for you?

>> well, in fact, i had been very interested in being a lawyer. that was what i wanted to do. i was reading the books of bailey and i thought criminal defense attorney was what i was most interested in doing. then i discovered it would lead to an inordinate amount of education after school to get to that point and decided to go surfing and pursue acting. >> did you ever think, though, in your wildest dreams when you were at school one day you would be here in a chicago public school alongside president obama's departed chief of staff and mayor of chicago rahm emanuel and president mickael gorbachev. >> it was interesting. i met gorbachev during the rodney king riots he came to speak to raise funds.

i thought of that after getting involved in haiti and what that drive is when you see people suffering as were the russian people at that time. i'm sure it played a part in my involvement in haiti. i was proud to be there with somebody like that. >> and you've been speaking today at the school. what was the experience like? what did you get from it? >> well, first of all. looking at the kids, i think this is a particular school here that we got to visit. because there is really that diversity where so much is said about diversity in the united states yet we don't make much use of it. we don't spend much time outside of our own comfort zones. we're in the same country but we don't integrate much. and this school and this neighborhood in particular are probably most diverse in chicago. >> as you look out at the diverse audience you spoke to,

is that the america the american dream was built on and how damaged has that become, do you think? >> well, looking at this group of kids, i think, was very encouraging. because i know that this school has a very high graduation rate. you could see -- you know, there were bulbs and no bulbs and you could see a lot of bulbs in that room. it looked like the kind of diversity that if we had this on a larger scale, we had in this country and others, that it would be that which would lead to a more secure peaceful world. in the sense that there's a -- the understanding that comes with that exchange in youth that breeds a deeper understanding. so i was -- you know, i think yes. that's exactly the kind of america i'd like to see. >> rahm emanuel was keen to say to me yes america has big problems. but america remains a great country. what it needs is individuals who

have the passion and the determination to drive through the correct policies to pull america out of its current malaise and restore or maintain the greatness of the country. what do you think of that? >> i would agree with it. i think, you know -- what happens is that people become pawns, become sheep of movements of comfort. those things that will keep them out of either complicated thought that they don't aspire to or out of a kind of tolerance that they don't understand. they become -- to become a polarizing figure, it's for those who are self-polarized. what i want to see -- what i can't do. is what young people can do. it is with that that will be given great breadth. it will be a human education. at the same time we do know that

the country has been swinging, you know, in terms of polarization on the right to an incredible fundamentalist situation where you have people like we talked about rick santorum. where actually they are virtually contradicting all the constitutional principles in their rhetoric. and so you say, look. okay. you can believe that but you cannot equate that with this constitution. that's not an interpretation issue. it means you did not read the constitution. and indeed you are anti-american. i am very pro-american in the sense of a constitutional america. and i'm pro-america in a diverse america and one where we do reach out and we believe to be monocultural is to create the insecurity we're facing. >> are you relieved that mitt romney is the nominee in the sense that he is by common consent the least right wing of

the ones that were left in the race? >> you know, i -- i don't know that i feel this enormous productivity in talking about mitt romney. i think that what really -- what will relieve me is to see the acknowledgment that we do have an incumbent president who can be extremely positive for this country. and that as long as the people get involved and support and push the agenda of the president including criticism if necessary. again you look at the youth. i know that the occupy movement in chicago will be involved during the nato summit that's coming up. and the president will be here. i think that that's a very good thing. while i support the president, i support this city, i think that that's exactly -- as long as it remains peaceful and so on -- that that's the energy that's

going to make this incumbent president a greater president in the next go around. >> has he disappointed you, president obama? many people say he's been disappointing and he hasn't pushed through the rate of change people expected from him. >> i mean, i've disappointed me more than the president has disappointed me. i and we -- i think that the bottom line is that somehow we've let this kind of cat get out of the bag of our own polarization and our own catch phrase sensibilities so that we're not paying attention to the basic foundation of what the country is. which is a quality of life for every american. we allow to the rest of the world as a superpower that has an influence on quality of life around the world. i think as we look back and look at the ludicrous argument about the health care being socialist. in the same way i've perceived

as a socialist by those who want to reduce it. you know, we don't say that about fire departments because god knows we want to put out the fire. we don't say that about police departments which otherwise would be considered socialist. but when it comes to health care and we see how it was hammered down and we argue about whether the fight was passionate enough to begin with. but i think that it's clear that we have a president whose focus is on the right things. we can't forget the incredible destruction that was done by the bush administration to this country. and previous administrations had affected that as well. but here we are today. and we have somebody who is looking out for the quality of life. of course there are the corporate influences. that's our fight to take on. we should be boycotting more products. we should be letting our president and congress people know what it is we need and what we believe is fair for the world much more strongly. before i'm going to say i'm disappointed in the president, i'm going to say i'm disappointed in the american

people. yet you look and see what the youth are doing in the united states and other places today and get optimistic about what could happen. >> let's take a short break. when we come back, let's talk about two things. the progress in haiti. secondly i've got a bone to pick with you mr. penn about the falkland islands. >> excellent. sean penn in haiti was at meineke's personal pricing on brakes.

i tell you what i can spend. i do my best to make it work. i'm back on the road safely. and i saved you money on brakes. that's personal pricing.

sean penn in haiti was at large -- your thoughts on haiti. you're still doing terrific work there. still a foot on the man ground when it comes to that ground. how's it looking? >> right now we're looking to the ratification of prime minister. there's been an increasing amount of visual work on the ground, project designations, people getting out of the camps and into safe housing. so as i have been, i'm optimistic. >> how weird is it to be as you have been in the last few months making a movie and simultaneously trying to revive a country like haiti? >> well -- yeah. that is -- fortunately i have a very good group of people who are working there with me. there are times i can check out. they've been brief, but i've got until about the end of summer to

be completely focused in haiti at this point. and i usually prepare the ground so i can go away and leave it in the hands of my primarily haitian staff. >> let's turn to the falkland islands. you inspired a lot of anger in my home country with the strong views about the malvines as you called them. and critical of prince william being deployed there and the british military. tell me why you did that and what your reaction was to the uproar in britain. >> let's talk about your words. critical of prince william and his deployment. not critical of prince william at all, in fact. he seems like quite a gent. i'm told he's doing quite a good job as well. what i'm critical of is this. first of all, most of the criticism came from the english

press. was based on nothing that i had said. in fact, i had registered no comment at all about those who reside and those who intended to remain british subjects. i had said very little about the possibility of opening up immigration, which i think the united kingdom understands clearly would ultimately take over that island should it be opened. because you have about 3,000 people raising goats there and that's about it. and the fishing community alone from -- >> those 3,000 people, just to jump in, they consider themselves british subjects. >> fair enough. that wasn't a comment i made. >> they are a thriving economy and british subjects. >> what does that have to do with the natural resources offshore? when you have a situation where the united kingdom was involved with the u.n. in diplomatic discussions about those rights and in general going in and invading the falkland islands.

>> but you accept britain had a right to protect their citizens. there is a misconception in britain you were against that. >> well, i have mixed feelings. britain was in bed with a lot of dark people at that time. including augusto pinisha. >> no one would defend him. >> margaret thatcher did defend him and many times over. so what i'm saying is this. >> he deported the military action took against the argentine people on the falklands. >> i'm not going to take a position on that. i know in england at the time there were many people who thought this was overkill given what the stakes were. you lost a lot of people in a battleship. what we're really talking about is in a world where the

economies are so broken, so many countries. you have an entire continent so persecuted in the press for so long. you have people fighting and dying for their freedom in argentina at that time who are now leaving leadership of that country. now off shore is this island that had been in dispute. that had been acknowledged by the united kingdom as one that should have been a collaborative split. and as suddenly there are offshore oil reserves being tapped into. now they send prince william. with prince william comes a battleship. this is in that place for anyone who visits argentina, it's a very clear, conscious, intimidation related to oil. that has nothing to do with the 3,000 british subjects who were on that island. who i say hey, i have nothing to say about that. that's their life. and their obligations are where they are. but when you're talking about oil reserves and this

protectionism of something like that, it has to be discussed. you have very poor people throughout that continent and it has to be discussed. >> just to clarify. you have nothing against prince william. >> nothing at all. of all i know i have great respect for him. >> and nothing against the people of the falklands wanting to remain british subjects. >> no. everything i said go to the tape. >> next time call it the falkland islands. >> i was with my ar jen tinnian friends at that time. if i were going there again, i was refer to it what they refer to that piece of geography. i'm not precious on those things. if others are offended by that, i make no apology. they have no force to like or respect me for it. coming up, a man going for world peace goes completely wild.