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hamlet it seems a town by any other name would not be as sweet. with that we bid you a hardy tgif on the ridiculist. that's it for us. thanks for watching. breaking news tonight, cnn identifying the agent at the center of the secret service sex scandal. then a special report. "outfront" debt collectors harassing patients in the emergency room. refusing treatment until people pay up in the hospital. we go in depth. and the latest from the trayvon martin case. will george zimmerman's bail be revoked? the lawyers for trayvon martin and george zimmerman "outfront." let's go. good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, breaking news in the secret service sex scandal. cnn has learned the identity of
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the agent believed to be at the center of the scandal. arthur huntington was the secret service agent who had the payment dispute with colombian escort, dania suarez. that argument in the hotel el caribe in cartegena, colombia, set off a wide-ranging investigation. as a result, nine secret service agents have resigned or being forced out of the agency. the military has launched its own investigation into 12 members also in colombia before the president's visit. drew griffin was the first to break the news tonight and drew, walk us through this. what more can you tell us? how did you figure this out? this was real, on the ground, hard reporting. >> well, the secret service tried to make sure that none of these names came out, erin, which made it tough. but we knew from hotel security that the dispute happened between two rooms on the seventh floor where the agents were staying. we know those two rooms were both occupied by secret service agents. we were then able to obtain a
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list of all the agents in the hotel who had checked in and we noticed something interesting about the rooms on the seventh floor. in three of the rooms, the agents were removed and new agents were moved into the rooms after the scandal broke. that led us to the names of those three agents. we have been able to tell you that two of the agents are cleared and are going back to work. but the third agent, arthur huntington, through our sources has now been identified as the man who had that dispute with dania suarez and apparently started this entire crisis within the secret service department. >> and what else have you been able to find out about arthur huntington as a person? anything more about the man? >> he appears to be 41 years old. he is married. he's the father of two sons according to the neighbors. we don't know how long he's been a secret service agent. we went to his house on monday. a man identifying himself as mr. huntington did answer the door,
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talked to one of our producers, declined comment. since then, erin, there's not been a single response other than the door being shut at the huntington home as you said in maryland. we have been able to reach out and know if he has or attorney or not. he has been severed from the secret service. >> so 41-year-old married father of two. do we have -- do you have any sense of where he is now and perhaps holed up in his house or any other sense of where he may be? >> we only believe he's at that house because of the cars that are there. we have not spotted him. his neighbors say, you know, this was a guy who was not home a lot. one neighbor saying he was not home at all. that is typical for the service -- these secret service agents conduct. his children were home schooled. but that is all. we believe he is in maryland at his home. obviously, dealing not with just the secret service crisis, but a very real personal crisis in his life. >> i am sure that is true. as we said, now identifying him, thanks to the hard work of drew.
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real boots on the ground, comparing the list of who's staying in the hotel, who moved in and out of the rooms on which floor to find out who was at the center of all of this. we have another development in the secret service today. changing the way agents are allowed to operate while overseas. there's been a whole set of rules changed. cnn able to confirm what they are today. fran townsend is joining me on the phone, literally in between flights. what can you tell us about the rule changes? >> you know, erin, what they do, they put in place this is sort of legislating common sense. it talks about that the agents have to not have any alcohol within ten hours of being on duty. it talks -- it directs them not to have any foreign nationals in their hotel room other than foreign ministers. it's something that they're
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trained in all the time, so in some respects while the agents i have spoken to don't resent it, they sort of -- it engenders a bit of an eye roll, if you will. this is how they're trained, this is what they're supposed to do. the people break the rules they should be held accountable. the more controversial one, from now on they're going to have two supervisors, more senior than the two supervisors that were on this trip. remember, we reported the two supervisors cartegena were gs-13 and now they'll have more experienced supervisors. one from a field office. that's typical. but one of whom will be from the office of professional responsibility. that's the office that's now doing the investigation into the cartegena scandal. and that is resented. the agents i speak to have sort of said to me this is sort of like sending the baby-sitter with us. you train us, you should trust us and hold us accountable.
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>> it sounds like the rules are common sense rules. you shouldn't be drinking heavily ten hours before duty when you're with the president. not allowing foreign nationals into the hotel room when you could have the president's schedule in your hotel room. >> yeah, i think it caused so many of the agents who were on the cartegena trip, violated the common sense rules. they felt the need to write them down so there's no ambiguity. it's clear they intend to hold people accountable. >> well, fran townsend, thank you very much. reporting on the rules changes. and drew griffin reports on the man at the center of this entire situation. well, still outfront, a chinese murder mystery is up and we have more to report. and president obama is being called the most corrupt president ever. and debt collectors demanding payment from patients
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so is google cheating you? the federal trade commission is bringing in a high-powered attorney to lead the investigation into whether google manipulates search results. you know, i mean, they want you to go certain places. who knows? the last time the ftc made a similar move in 1988, charging microsoft as being a monopoly.
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they would be the winner is the fcc brings a case against google. the number, 15.3. the percentage of market share microsoft search engine bing had in march according to comscore. google, 64.4% sitting there quite some time. the thing about it. bing isn't even three years old, already at 15.3%. maybe proving google isn't monopolizing anything. if they get the antitrust slamdown it will be microsoft's team that rises like a phoenix. takes a lot to get revenge. a murder mystery throwing the government into chaos now spilling into the united states. british businessman neil heywood found dead in a hotel room last year, and police say he was poisoned by cyanide. soon after, a prominent politician bo xilai once thought to be the president of china soon after lost his job and is totally mia.
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not for killing heywood but for corruption and wiretapping the country president. spying. the wife was arrested and accused of using cyanide to kill heywood thanks to a business deal gone bad. the story, as we have been saying, james bond-like, but international attention is focusing on the couple's son. question, swirling how the young man once suspended from oxford university in britain because of poor academics got into one of the most elite universities in the world. he's studying public policy at the harvard kennedy school of government. a school that takes 20% of its applicants. average 26 years old three years work experience. he's 24. a source familiar with his academic record told "outfront" during one course in 2010, he didn't turn in a single assignment, yet the following year he was awarded a coveted research grant in public analysis. based on the quality of the proposal, research focus and travel requirements.
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"outfront" has repeatedly tried to get harvard to comment on him specifically. so far the school refused our requests. but the president at the harvard crimson newspaper said it wasn't hard for bo to blend in. >> harvard, families are well-known, whose parents are connected in government, connected in business. so even as someone famous as many of our professors are, the child of someone famous, it's very easy to blend in as any other harvard student and i don't think it was any different in this case, i imagine. >> he didn't always do a good job of blending in. when cambridge police stopped him twice for running stop signs once driving 58 in a 30 mile zone. come on. i've got forgive him for that. he was behind the wheel of, well, this is the bigger problem. an $80,000 black porsche. sort of, you know, not possible
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he called the barack obama's administration, quote, the most corrupt government in history. a pretty significant statement. remember watergate? he now says attorney general eric holder is in contempt of congress for slowing his investigation, the botched "fast and furious" gun tracking operation. >> the attorney general has said before our committee we're entitled to what he thinks we need and he will give us and that's not the way it works. >> attorney general holder has always said he's cooperated. >> in addition to my frequent testimony before congress, i have answered and am continuing to answer questions that have been submitted for the record during previous hearings. we've also submitted or made available for review some 6,400 pages of documents to congressional investigators. this has been a significant undertaking for the justice department employees and our efforts in this regard remain ongoing. >> we all know people who say they're cooperating, being helpful to you and are really
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doing anything but. so there could be more to this. let's see if there really is. john avlon is here and also alice stewart in washington. great to have you all. john, start with you. a precedent for this. janet reno, failing to hand over campaign finance documents back in 1998, so this seems to be a bipartisan problem. >> well, it's certainly a bipartisan problem when members of the house oversight committee, a member of a different party in the white house, but that's the problem. this is an important committee and it gets diminished when the people start getting infected with that perspective free hyper partisanship. when darrell issa calls the obama administration the most corrupt in history, doesn't pass the laugh test. watergate on down. if that's his perspective on this problem, it's an indication of how out of touch he really is and there's important work to be done.
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throwing around threats to congress and subpoenas diminishes the important work the committee should do. >> congress has the right to do this? i didn't know this. you said there's a jail? >> there's a jail in the basement of congress. not for the members of congress, that might be an interesting use of it -- it would be full. a long line -- but in case there's a contempt citation and can't get the courts to do it. this is classic washington kabuki. they leaked the draft of a possible draft citation. it's many steps away from being anything. but i do think it's exactly right. this to me, the whole thing smells of a kind of a conspiracy here to any search of a scandal. this was clearly a botched effort to deal with the drug cartels but i've seen nothing in the thousands of pages of documents that have been produced that suggest a scandal of real malevolence of deliberate wrongdoing or cover-ups. there's a lot of oversight needed.
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i think the oversight on the secret service thing is exactly right. this is kind of sound and fury, from what i can tell. >> alice, you think issa's bluffing? >> absolutely not. he has every single right and reason to go after holder and the justice department. he's issued subpoenas for at least 70,000 documents and they've only turned over less than 7,000 of them. we understand many have been redacted to the point where issa has referred to them as the black pages as opposed to white pages so they can say they're complying but they're not by any stretch the -- of the imagination. and there's been 22 areas of inquires asking for information from the just it department. they have only received it from only half of those areas. a tremendous amount of information they are not providing and it's important to do it, for the family of brian terry to get to the bottom of this and get answers. in comparison, the oversight committee received more documents from atf
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whistle-blowers than from our own justice department. we need to get to the bottom of this, get truth. the best way we can get the answers is to get the most information we possibly can and not more stonewalling from the justice department. >> michael, other investigations issa has underway? the gsa, secret service, postal service, tsa, army pay roll, food stamp fraud. a lot going on right now. >> look, when he came in, when president obama came in, for starters, you have to figure, he had that line being the most corrupt government in history in his computer waiting to be used for something. he said they shouldn't be hiring lawyers. they should be hiring accountants in the executive branch. that's the kind of oversight needed. it's hard to split up the oversight from the criminalization. when i was working in government we assumed that everything anybody wrote down was going to eventually be in the hands of a congressional committee, and that's okay, but it really makes it very lard to get a lot done. >> all right.
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i want to play something back here, john. this is interesting. henry waxman. those who don't remember who he is, a familiar looking guy. you may remember him, head of the house oversight committee. 78 hearings he held. lehman brothers, baseball, a lot of things. here he is about condoleezza rice. >> secretary rice is going to have a confrontation with this committee because we're not going to accept the idea that if you say something that could be negative about the maliki government that could be classified. if you said something positive it's okay. that's seems to about what we've -- that seems to be what we were told by the state department. i consider that completely unacceptable. >> 78 hearings for his tenure. darrell issa already at 50. john, is he out of control? >> when he says things that are ridiculous on their face, like the most corrupt administration in history, yes. that is a sign of not someone in control. not a serious person. but you know, what waxman comments indicate, this is a bipartisan problem.
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grandstanding when a president of the opposite party and it diminishing the entire process. >> thanks to all three. appreciate it. happy friday. i have a study from hempstead university which shows us that cats and dogs are beginning to watch television. now, if these scientists are right, we should start programming right now. or in 20 years they could become steady viewers. >> hmm. that was a clip from the 1988 movie "scrooged." even though the idea of cats and dogs watching tv was a joke, turns out it's real. dog tv is on demand channel designed to keep your little dog relaxed and entertained while you're at work. $4.99 a month and apparently doing pretty well. this is what you get to watch. tailored for dogs. you know, the sounds, colors and the angles they like the best. at the moment it's only available in san diego but it's going national this year.
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five. cnn has learned what we believe to be the name of the secret service agent believed to be at the center of the sex scandal in colombia. sources tell drew griffin the agent is arthur huntington of maryland. the married 41-year-old father of two is the agent who got into a dispute with an escort over pay at hotel. that dispute is what set off the massive investigation into misconduct from the secret service. huntington is now gone from the secret service. cnn reached tout him for a comment. he declined. nine secret service members resigned or are being forced out as a result of the scandal over the alleged events in colombia. >> two, dominique strauss-kahn accusing opponents of destroying his bid to be president of france. he accuses the operatives of intercepting the phone calls and a new york housekeeper went to police to accuse him of rape.
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the case was eventually dropped. before the scandal broke, he led some polls in france. and sarkozy versus francois leads in new polls ahead of the second round in about a week. three, the space shuttle "enterprise" arrived in new york city on the back of a 747. if you didn't see it it's worth looking at. a pretty neat thing. flying over the statue of liberty and other landmarks and landing at jfk for a ceremony. the shuttle's final resting place will be at the intrepid sea, air and space museum on the hudson river. they're expecting a 30% increase in attendance when that exhibit opens in july meaning more money. it's going get to charge an extra $6 to see nearly $2 billion space shuttle. number four, growth in the u.s. economy is slowing down. grew 2.2% in the first three months of this year. now, it was a 3% growth rate in the prior quarter. still growing, but the rate
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decelerating. some positive signs in numbers. we wanted to pull it out. a glass half-full kind of show. personal consumption jumped nearly 3%. the second strongest quarter since the recovery began. it's been 267 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the government's cutting spending and shows in the gdp report. it was one of the big reasons that growth was cut. defense spending is down 8%, following a 12% decline in the prior quarter. obviously the government cutting spending over the long-term. the question is how soon should they do it? if they cut spending, economic growth gets hurt and some say could send the u.s. back to recession. there's a sex tape, yep, at center of arguments in the john edwards trial. today we found out more about what happened. edwards pleaded not guilty, you're aware, to using nearly $1 million from wealthy donors to cover up his affair with rielle hunter. if found guilty, could spend up to 30 years in prison and pay up to a $1 million fine.
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the tape is believed to be from his affair with rielle hunter. the judge ruled lawyers can refer to it, but hadn't decide whether to release it. today the spotlight turned on john edwards former right-hand man andrew young. young testified today he feared for his life while working for edwards. paul callan is here. really? >> really. a sex tape. >> fearing for his life, what did he mean here? >> well, you've got the problem of the tapes and you have the problem of andrew young being in fear that these guys, he says -- he said there's a billionaire and a millionaire and they're all telling me to cover up and lie and do illegal things, and i was afraid for my life. i was afraid something bad would really happen to me. i said sex tape in the beginning because that's where we wound up before the end of the day, talking how crazy the case is,
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threats on his life and all of these allegations. >> some people may smile but sexually, rather bizarre and if true very frightening thing. what about the sex tape? i know the judge said refer to it and debating whether to have it come out as evidence. what would it do evidentiary? we know they had an affair and it's tawdry. >> we know when the aide, when rielle hunter left the house she left this tape behind. young's been holding ton it, and -- young's been holding on to it and the talk was he was going to try to sell it and make money on it. so edwards' attorney could cross-examine him to show what a sleaze ball he is, he's willing to sell this tape to make money. which would really hurt andrew young, but the problem is, every time you throw a rock at andrew young, it bounces off his head and hits john edwards, because the very existence of the tape makes john edwards look like a sleaze ball, and so it's a problem piece of evidence i
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think for both men. >> for both, and so in court today, young admitted taking money from bunny mellon, the wealthy donor, not just to conquer up the affair also using it for himself. additions to his home, boats, expensive vacations. does this rock also his john edwards or succeed in making andrew young look bad? >> the defense made a real, real score today. this was a devastating attack on young. it showed really that young has admitted to being a crook. he was taking $200,000 from someone who supposedly was donating to john edwards. spending the money on his own personal expenses. so it really, really did serious damage to him. i thought it was the best day the defense has had in the case. >> all right. paul callan, thank you very much as we continue to follow that. now an in depth special report here on "outfront." talking about debt collectors and this story took it to a whole new level. it's shocking. here it is. high pressure sales tactics.
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you remember this scene from "glengarry glen ross"? >> adding a little something to this month's sales contest. you all know first price a is cadillac el dorado? second prize, set of steak knives. third prize is you're fired. >> one company is using those boiler room tactics in the emergency room. hospitals have been facing intense financial pressure. in 2009, they had $39 billion in unpaid bills. but the lengths some are going to to collect are shocking. we have the story. >> reporter: when deb walden developed a kidney stone she went straight to the e.r. >> i was in the little room waiting for the doctor to come. writhing in pain. i have to add. this is unbelievable pain. >> reporter: but instead of a
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doctor, she was greeted by a high-pressure bill collector. >> he said that i needed to pay -- i can't remember the exact figure, $700 to $800, $750, i'm not sure what it was. i was just shocked. >> reporter: marcia newton before her son max went into surgery to have tubes placed in his ears to prevent a ruptured eardrum, she was pressured into paying an amount well above what she owed. >> i was charged $700 and i only owed $200. >> reporter: and newton complained and took it to the state's attorney's ours. that's when she found out she wasn't alone. according to the minnesota attorney's general office, newton and walden were among many patients being forced to pay money to accretive, a nonprofit health care provider. the minnesota attorney general's office has released a report and
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is suing the firm in federal court. >> they're taking advantage of people under duress, getting people to pay cash, take out a credit card at a time in their life when they're not thinking straight. when they're not feeling well. >> reporter: the report claims that they ran it like a boiler room sales operation, right in the emergency room. >> if you collect "x" amount in the emergency room i'll dress up like a clown or a kentucky fried chicken mascot, and creating hyper sales oriented collection payment for what should be a sanctuary for those sick. >> reporter: accretive has not responded to the request for a comment. and the statement in part reads, we take the concerns raised by minnesota attorney general laurie swanson seriously. we have taken actions to address them. fairway stopped using accretive
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in january, but uses them for other financial service. >> here's -- >> reporter: nancy had a $150 balance when she arrived. she was asked to pay up or postpone her surgery. >> they were very willing to take my checking number and withdraw it automatically. i said no, you're not going to do that. >> reporter: deb walden also refused to pay up. but says she's concerned that others might not be able to say no so easily. >> i think maybe older people, people that maybe didn't speak the languages, you know, didn't understand maybe or just afraid that you wouldn't get care and i -- it was -- i guess i just was in so much pain i didn't care what i said to them. i gist, you know, go away. >> reporter: jim spellman, cnn, st. paul, minnesota. now, so far, 60 hospitals in 20 states have been implicated. looks like this could be the tip of the iceberg.
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let us know what you think on twitter. a former brazilian prostitute is suing the united states embassy. we'll tell you why. the latest from the trayvon martin case. george zimmerman's bail, will it be revoked? the lawyers for trayvon martin's family and george zimmerman "outfront" next. [ male announcer ] this is lawn ranger -- eden prairie, minnesota. in here, the landscaping business grows with snow. to keep big winter jobs on track, at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting,
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arwan damon is following the story. i asked her if this fighting means that the u.s. peace deal is completely dead. >> well, the peace never had a chance to begin to succeed. a cease-fire never truly materialized. since it was called for, hundreds of people have been killed according to opposition activists and on friday, there were two explosions in the capital of damascus. one of them carried out by a suicide bomber. an opposition activist said that neighborhoods that the u.n. monitors are visiting are being targeted afterwards. none of this paints a very positive future for syria or even for the fact of the potential arrival of monitors will change the situation on the ground. at this point in time, erin, there's no plan "b." >> all right, thank you. now to brazil where a former prostitute is threatening to sue the u.s. embassy claiming she was injured while meeting a
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group of u.s. marines. the three involved have been punished. >> well, erin, she told us she worked as a stripper right here at this nightclub apples. she was also a call girl. it was on december 29th that she and some co-workers left with a group of americans from the u.s. embassy security team. we're talking three marines and one embassy staffer. they called an embassy van, and according to this woman, after they got into the car she was violently thrown out because she had gotten into an argument with the brazilian driver. when she tried to stand up, she said she grabbed the handle and the van dragged her along. she broke her collarbone, broke three ribs and punctured a lung. she wants to sue. is george zimmerman in jeopardy of going back to jail because of the money he raised online? the judge on the case wants to
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know where the money came from and when. judge lester sent him free on $150,000 bond last week after he and his family and his defense attorney claimed he was indigent. the family of trayvon martin says this is outrageous. >> we are emphatically saying that his silence was an indication of untruth. >> benjamin crump will be our guest in a couple of moments but first, defense attorney mark o'mara joining us. i know you weren't aware of this money, but you hear benjamin crump here saying this is evidence that george zimmerman is dishonest, that bail should be revoked. what's your reaction? >> just not an appropriate reaction to it, i don't believe. he did not tell the money was there and available seemingly. i consider it as an oversight,
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because i don't think that zimmerman is insincere or dishonest. the opposite is true. pause when i first talked to him about it, he was very forthright. it happened at a time when we were doing away with his web presence. i asked him what talking about, about the paypal accounts, i said how much is in it? i said you need to give that to me right now, because i knew of the concern about that money. he fedexed it over to me, the money he had available and then there's more money coming from paypal itself. >> mark, i mean, hearing this, one thing that goes through my mind and i think some of the viewers' minds is look, george zimmerman had this money. he had used some of it for living expenses so he knew about it, because he was spending it. there's no way he could have had an you have sight and forgotten to tell you about it unless he wanted to keep it on the side and not tell you about it. >> i understand that concern.
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i truly do. i'm not trying to minimize it. if i were to look at this from the complete outside and say there's $200,000 sitting somewhere, the oversight i suggest is all the other evidence around it suggested he wasn't trying to be deceptive or deceitful with it. he could very easily have never mentioned the paypal account to me. he could have hidden all of the facts from me rather as soon as it was asked because i do accept responsibility of having not questioned him about this before. and i use as the excuse the fact that i have been extraordinarily busy with everything else. the moment i asked him about it, he acknowledged it and forwarded the money. i think that fact is as relevant if not more about the fact that he didn't mention it to the judge at a time when he didn't intend any deceit or dishonesty.
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>> will you be surprised if the judge makes a decision that george zimmerman needs to go back to jail? have you told zimmerman that that's the possibility of this revelation? >> i would be if you're asking the question, i might be surprised if judge lester found this to be such a violation that he found the need to reincarcerate. i think a $150,000 bond is a significant bond. very high bond. it was difficult for them to get and to secure. again, we're talking about not using the $200,000, $150,000. without that it was still difficult to accomplish. >> benjamin crump is going to be with us in a couple of moments. i want to ask you first. george zimmerman raised about $204,000 just through his online plea before you came on board. trayvon martin's family says he only raised $100,000.
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are you surprised that your client raised double? >> there has been an enormous amount of upswelling on both sides of this issue. i'm sad that the issue seems to be trayvon martin's family versus the zimmerman family because i don't think that's the conversation that needs to occur. there has been money forwarded to my account, to me, about $12,000 or $13,000, i have taken that and it was nothing to do with george. quite honestly i can understand why $200,000 of support came in for george zimmerman. i expect a lot more because it is such an issue for people to look at this case and see it the way it's been presented so far, though none of us know all the facts. >> all right, thanks very much, mark o'mara. appreciate you taking the time. >> sure. that he control and he set there and didn't say a word.
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he knew what the judge was asking for. he wants to know what to set the bail amount at to decide -- >> maybe he wanted to save a stash of money for his own use. i'm speculating here, but what do you think? >> well, obviously, you follow the money as we always said in criminal cases. it's a situation that george zimmerman took that stand and he was offered this orchestrated and insincere apology. he lied when he said he didn't know how old trayvon martin was. he's very deceitful.
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i will say this, erin. all of america is waiting just like trayvon's parents to see what is the judge going to do? is he as offended as trayvon's parents by this deception as they are? and this is going to say a lot about whether trayvon martin can get a fair trial. >> benjamin, let me ask you a question though. because, you know, even if everything you say ends up being right and he omitted it and he was dishonest, isn't bail fundamentally about flight risk as opposed to the level the bail is set at? and george zimmerman certainly
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if he was going to have fled, he would have already done so. if bail is to prevent flight risk he doesn't appear to be one? >> my grandma said if you'll lie about something little you'll lie about something big. if the court asks you a question, you have to be honest. if he doesn't revoke the bond the court should severely sanction him, so george zimmerman understands you cannot lie to the court. if trayvon martin had deceived the court, we have no doubt that his bond would have been revoked. it's about fairness and that's all trayvon's parents want is fairness and we're going to see whether they can get fairness based on these next couple of rulings by the court. >> benjamin, i know you heard me ask mark o'mara about the issue of raising money.
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i was surprised given the public outcry to see how george zimmerman appears to have on his website raised twice as much money as trayvon martin's money. were your surprised too when you heard that number? >> well, a little, erin, because he killed an unarmed kid. and you ask for a lot of conversation to be had in our country when you say an armed vigilante can kill an unarmed kid and raise $200,000. you know there's some special interests in there. that's just sad because trayvon martin is still sybrina fulton and tracy martin's kid as he walked home and got killed. don't take my word for it, don't take mr. o'mara's word for it, the videotape after this --
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listen to the 911 tapes, and if the shoe was on the other foot, erin, nobody would say this was a difficult trial. they would have convicted trayvon martin as quick as we can say the word conviction. it's a double standard and we've got to send a message that that's equal justice for everybody. this is what this case is about. >> benjamin, thank you very much. enough power for a city the size of singapore for 50 years. what's it going to do to the planet? natural gas is the cleanest conventional fuel there is. we've got to be smart about this. it's a smart way to go. ♪
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