broke the windows in his compound. she said he told her he and his colleagues were quote under attack and they ran to bunkers. her husband told her many rooms at the compound were destroyed and then he hung up. more details on this story. we'll bring them to you as they come in to you. thank you for watching "360". good evening, i'm erin burnett. breaking news, the president on a surprise visit to kabul. he announced he's handing off security to hamid karzai and the specific road map for troops to come home from the more than decade long war. >> last year, we removed 10,000 u.s. troops from afghanistan. another 23,000 will leave by the end of summer. after that, reductions will continue at a steady pace with more and more of our troops coming home.

as our coalition agreed, by the end of 2014 the afghans will be fully responsible for the security of their country. >> the trip fell on the one-year anniversary of the day that the president ordered navy s.e.a.l.s to take out osama bin laden. >> over the last three years, the tide has turned. we broke the taliban's momentum. we built strong afghan security forces. we devastated al qaeda's leadership, taking out over 20 of the top 30 leaders. one year ago, from the base here in afghanistan, our troops launched the operation that killed osama bin laden. the goal that i set to defeat al qaeda and deny it a chance to rebuild is now within our reach. >> so does all of this add up? does the president's optimism about the future square with what's happening on the ground? sean parnell is the author of "outlawed platoon."

all right, good to see you. let me just ask you this question, colonel lleyton first. we just heard the president there saying by the end of 2014 afghans will be fully responsible for their own security. is that possible? >> well, not really, erin, and here's why. the afghans have obviously tried at least some of them have tried to be part and parcel of the training effort that the u.s. and nato has put out, you know, during the last few years. and it's been a major effort, it has worked to some degree. but the problem is that in spite of the successes that it has had, it's not a complete success and you're not going to find a system that we can put into afghanistan that will allow us to seamlessly transition over from u.s. control or nato control to afghan control and so i'm afraid that with those time

lines we might not be able to meet those and i'm afraid that we're going to run into some difficulties. >> sean, let me get your point of view. you spent a lot of time in afghanistan and you served there. when the president refers as we heard him refer to, we have built strong afghan security forces, a lot of people will say well, gosh, we have been supposed to have trained them back since 2002. are they strong? are they ready or is that wishful thinking? >> well, look, yeah, i mean, everybody is talking about a 352,000 robust afghan military force. but really that's not -- that's not the talking point here. i mean, the questions that we need to be asking is is there an infrastructure in afghanistan to feed those soldiers, to pay those soldiers? and the answer to that question is no. and if you don't have those things, all you have is a bunch of soldiers with guns and whether or not they're courageous isn't the issue. they will collapse within a week if we don't have that infrastructure and command and supply infrastructure with which

to pay them so they can operate effectively. we can't expect them to do that right now. >> what about the follow, as the president is trying to define -- as he said, look, if we try to define the mission more broadly than simply trying to beat al qaeda then we'll lose a more american lives and i'm redefining it that way and it's more in reach. the concern you and colonel lleyton has raised attack security force, once the u.s. pulls out does something possibly rise, whether that's al qaeda or something else? >> yeah. i mean, that's a great question to ask. i agree with the president with regards to the fact that we had decimated high-level leaders in al qaeda. they are not going to be operate as effectively as they did in a pre-9/11 world. this much is true. but the bottom line is we have 150,000 soldiers in afghanistan right now and we have our work cut out for us on the border as it is.

and to expect an afghan force to do it when we leave i think is wishful thinking. >> colonel lleyton, i wanted to play something else that the president talked about. sort of referring to what many americans are aware of which is a hugely corrupt and dysfunctional government in afghanistan. here's what he said about how that will change. >> it will advance developments and dignity for the people and includes afghan commitments to transparency and accountability and to protect the hour man rights of all afghans. men and women, boys and girls. >> colonel lleyton, he's referring to the strategic partnership who was worked on by republicans and democrats that the president just signed with hamid karzai. but commitments to transparency and protect the rights of all afghans. everyone hopes that is true. but is that more rhetoric? >> unfortunately it is. i think the president sincerely believes this is a laudable and achievable goal.

but anyone who like sean has had experience in afghanistan knows that there is a real problem dealing with this culture of corruption that exists there. and it is not just something that you see on the surface and then it goes away because you find somebody else who's honest. it doesn't work that way. these -- the whole society is based on a totally different structure of what works economically than what we're used to. and the other part of it is that this area is one in which each and every effort to get human rights in there, to protect the rights of women, to protect the rights of girls to go to school, it's laudable goal but i'm afraid if there is a back sliding that the taliban for example gets into power again, that would be a real problem and i don't think we'd see the -- a solution to that at all. >> and a final question to you, sean. as you fought on the ground in afghanistan, you know, lately we have heard awful things. the koran burnings although accidental. the sergeant bales alleged shooting of afghan civilians,

afghan security forces killing their u.s. colleagues. i mean, the headlines have been a drum beat of terrible things. what does this president -- presidential visit do for troop morale over there? >> i've got to tell you that i watched this speech and i think that the president is a great orator. i'm a boots on the ground infantry guy, i was inspired by the speech. for one third of my life, we have been at war in this nation. i have been intricately involved in training and fighting on the ground there. it almost brought tears to me eyes, dreaming about the fact that the afghan war is coming to a close. i thought the president's speech is good. i think it was good for the morale of the soldiers over there too. >> thanks very much to both of you. senior white house officials say it was a coincidence that the president's trip came on the anniversary of bin laden's death, but more politics at play. john avlon and reihan salam

joins us. maybe some of the things that the president said didn't add up to the military experts, but it's a poignant speech and sean said for a third of his life we were at war. that was beautifully put. >> that was an extraordinary point. world war ii lasted for four years. we have been at war for ten. he talked about the responsible end of the war, but the terms of the debate on al qaeda where it began in afghanistan, where it began. that is a powerful argument that's going to resonate with the american people and it's an achievable goal as well. because it's more modest essentially than some of the goals that have been set out years previous. >> reihan, i thought he was trying to be specific. that it's about al qaeda. nothing else. and in fact, went so far -- i was a little surprised in a national speech to say i'm not

trying to completely eradicate the taliban. if some of you want to work with us, that's okay obviously that's a pragmatic thing. >> i see a strong historical parallel here. when you think of the united states's involvement in vietnam, south vietnam was arguably stronger than had been. they have aed some military victories but the country was ready to wash its hands of south vietnam. the country was exhausted. just as we saw in the previous panel, look, a lot of this is a pie in the sky. can this afghanistan survive? will it keep having democratic election, can it actually defeat the bitter enders and the taliban? there's a good reason to believe no. but the country or at least a majority of the country is ready to wash its hands. i think there are a lot of folks on the right who are going to say, look, this is a serious mistake. we should maintain an investment, we should stick at it. but the problem is that that's not a very politically viable position even if you believe that to be true. >> nor as a pragmatic one. maybe what he's saying is pie in the sky but the broader goals are more out there.

>> and much bigger. >> and tim punk joining us. he's gotten criticism from the likes of mitt romney, for laying out a time line. but the president brought that up and addressed it specifically. here he is. >> as we move forward some people will ask why we need a firm time line. the answer is clear. our goal is not to build a country in america's image or to eradicate every vestige of the taliban. these objectives would require many more years and more dollars and most importantly, many more american lives. our goal is to destroy al qaeda and we are on a path to do exactly that. afghans want to assert their sovereignty and build a lasting peace. that requires a clear time line

to wind down the war. >> tim, certainly he tries to put it in terms of what afghans want, but i'm sure he's aware of polls like cnn's recent one, 71% of americans oppose this war. americans want a time line. >> that's right. i think americans want a time line. the president is talking about critics on both sides of the issue. some people have talked about the time line. there are other critics who want american troops to get out of the country tomorrow. but at the end of the day i think it's important to note that this trip was not a political trip. this was not about the campaign, even though we're in a campaign year. with -- this is about supporting the troops and making an announcement about u.s. and afghanistan and to talk about the one-year anniversary of killing bin laden. as the president mentioned the continuing fight against al qaeda. i don't think most americans will view this as a poll-driven visit. this was a policy visit.

>> on that note, there wasn't a lot of that in there. i mean, but reihan, there was one thing that somebody might hone in on and maybe it wouldn't be fair but i wanted to play it and get your reaction. here is the president talking about the economic crisis. >> as we emerge from the decade of conflict abroad and economic crisis at home, it's time to renew america. an america where our children live free from fear and can claim their dreams. a united america, of grit and resilience, where sunlight glistens off soaring new towers in downtown manhattan, and we build our future as one people. as one nation. >> all right. he talked about emerging from a decade of conflict abroad. an economic crisis at home, reihan. time to renew america. >> but the question is is he the right man to renew the country? >> this is a time for american nation building at home, but this speech overall was him embracing the bully pulpit.

owning the status of commander in chief, honoring the troops. when you do that, it makes the petty partisan politics of the presidential campaigns look small. >> he looked very big, right, reihan? >> i think that's true. >> all right. thanks very much to all three of you. reihan salam, john avlon, tim punk from washington. "outfront," story two, is next. still "outfront" -- evolution of terror. >> this would have been the biggest terrorist attack on u.s. soil since 9/11. >> global distress signal. all this when we come back. [ male announcer ] this is the land of giants.

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ahead "outfront," a global day of rage. over the economy. boring more money and is spending the answer? plus, news on the florida stand your ground law is breaking. but first, story number two. a new tactic for terrorists to get ex -- explosives on the plane. the way it would work is that a terrorist would have a bomb surgically implanted inside him or her. a mastermind behind the new plot is believed to be the same man

behind the christmas 2009 attempted bombing on a flight to detroit. rick nelson is a former member of the national security council. he's out front tonight. good to see you, sir. can you explain what the heck this thing is? how it would work and how it would avoid detection? >> hi, erin. thanks for having me on. basically what it would be is a regular device, a bomb that we would use at any other sort of airplane type incident. just inserted into the human body through surgically or other means and then the individual would be able to thwart security and detonate it on the plane. >> you hear about the humans transporting drugs across borders where you basically ingest something whether it's in a balloon or condom or something? >> that's correct. some way like that.

a very seasoned bomb maker, he's very capable he can devise a device that can be put in a human body. >> we heard former secretary hayden talking earlier tonight about the risk of al qaeda and al qaeda had been decimated but we could see more numerous attacks. i was wondering if this is a lone wolf type of thing, and how much help you'd need to execute this sort of attack on an airplane? >> something like a body bomb would be a complicated type of evolution. it would take someone like his skill and we have seen with the other home groan plots they have been rudimentary and they have failed. building a bomb is quite a technical feat and getting it inserted into the human body to detonate when you want it to detonate is technically challenging. >> even though the report says that al qaeda wants to do it, do

we think that people can do it? >> i think in theory, but actually conducting it and getting that bomb to detonate when you want it to detonate, how you want it to detonate is quite challenging and i'm not sure it's within the capability of the enemy at this time. >> what are the biggest risks right now for the flying public from terrorists? is there well, the biggest risk right now is they're assuming that any security apparatus that the united states puts into place is going to keep us safe from all threats. that's simply not the case. we will always -- we are facing a very creative and adaptive enemy and they'll find ways to outthink and outsmart the security system. we have to be prepared at all times. >> so given the -- victory may be too strong of a word, but victory has been made against al qaeda, a lot of the operatives have been killed, and the resulting dispersion, people who have been inspired by, motivated

by and who live all over the world is the risk from terror more -- higher or lower than it was? a couple of years ago. >> a very good question. i think it's changed. bin laden wanted a movement that would be larger than his personality. so it will take us a couple of years to see if he was successful this achieving that, where groups adopt his ideology and then conduct attacks. >> you talk about the body bombs. yesterday, nic robertson was reporting that in some of the papers they found from al qaeda in the compound were plans to attack american cruise ships. i mean, it's got to be hard to creatively come up with the things that someone looking to come up with harm would come up with.

>> that's why it's impossible. we have to evolve past this mind set that the american government can protect all americans from all things at all times that's not feasible from the cost effective and we have to continue to appreciate that the enemies are adaptive and we have to evolve with them. well, a federal jury today found a bosnian born person guilty of planning attacks on a subway in 2009. he faces a maximum sentence of life in prison following the conviction on nine charges which include trying to carry out a suicide attack on american soil. the alleged co-conspirator were arrested in september 2009, just days before the bombings were going to happen. and now, we're getting start rlg new details about how close this country came to suffering the most serious terror attack on u.s. soil since 9/11. susan candiotti has the story. >> is it, nabijola?

>> reporter: he was sitterually a mystery man to the fbi in 2009. the fbi had no idea zazi's plans was to strap on explosives and plow up the subway. >> this would have been the biggest attack since 9/11 and it would have devastated new york city. >> reporter: during the trial, new details about how close they came. september 6, 2009. days before that 9/11 anniversary, alarms go off when u.s. intelligence picks up this e-mail from a known al qaeda operative in pakistan to a complete unknown in the u.s. more alarms sound with an e-mail from zazi that reads the marriage is ready. a common terror code for an attack.

the fbi is tracking him in colorado but they have no idea how far along he really is. that for months he's been buying ingredients including hydrogen peroxide, building detonators in a denver suburb and shooting hoops at this new york city basketball court with his friends from queens. they're firming up their er the or plans. september 8, 2009. zazi leaves denver in a rental car. the fbi gets a colorado highway patrolman to pull over zazi for speeding. he gets a warning ticket and reveals he's headed to new york. >> this was a perfect storm. you had a suspected al qaeda terrorist driving to new york city the week that the 9/11 anniversary was on. >> reporter: september 10, 2009. with the feds on his tail, zazi

approaches the george washington bridge into new york city. he's pulled over for a phony routine inspection. but they don't find bomb detonators hidden in his trunk. zazi is getting nervous, the fbi already is. they still don't know his plan. in queens, zazi realizes he's being followed. he gets the other one to flush the detonator down the toilet. and he types out a text message that says, the police are after me. we are done. zazi pulls the plug on september 10. neither new yorkers nor the fbi knows how close they came. days later, back home in denver, zazi voluntarily meets with the fbi. in this rare, if not unprecedented recorded interview, zazi tries to give an innocent explanation for an electronic scale he left behind. >> do you own or possess a scale

of any kind? >> i own -- i own -- any scale. but i think one -- one of the scale, it's -- my family had it to use to make cakes and things. >> if i was to give you a scale, the only use that you know for a scale is to make cakes, is that accurate? >> i have no idea about this. >> when he confessed months after that fbi interview you saw there, zazi admitted to the entire plot, a plot they managed to keep under the radar for so long. well, "outfront" story four is next. still "outfront" -- the last stand? >> the task force on citizens safety will review florida statute 776. >> shocking blow. >> rupert murdoch is not fit to run an international company.

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start the second half of our show with stories with ecare about, where we focus on the own reporting from the front line. tonight, president obama made a surprise visit to afghanistan to sign an agreement with president hamid karzai. to end a war that's lasted more than a decade. the trip comes on the first

anniversary of the united states raid which killed osama bin laden. the agreement pledges a decade of u.s. support after american soldiers scheduled to leave by the end of 2014. now, the president approached the podium at bagram air base and talked about the future of u.s. troops in afghanistan. >> i will not keep americans in harm's way a single day longer than is absolutely required for our national security. but we must finish the job we started in afghanistan and end this war responsibly. well, today the defense cross-examined the wife of a former aide to john edwards. sherry young and andrew were accused of making money through the tell-all book called "the politician." young says her husband wrote the book because edwards would not admit to fathering a child with his mistress, rielle hunter. edwards is on trial for allegedly using campaign funds to cover up the affair and young is expected to finish cross-examination tomorrow.

facebook has announced a new feature that will allow users to volunteer as organ donors. they believe it will make a big difference to the more than 114,000 people waiting for organ donations. pay attention to our elizabeth cohen. she says switching your status doesn't make it official. that brings you to a website, donatelifeamerica, that's where you have to add your name to the registry. by the way, facebook apparently going to be launching its ipo according to "the wall street journal" as soon as may 18. we told you last night about audrey mcclendon. he has an unusual pay package which allow him to take stakes out of the wells he drilled. he will relinquish the title. they're looking for 28 cents on the bottom line, and the company had 18 per share. revenue was short of

expectations and it remains if the move to get rid of the chairman enough to quiet the investigators? not to mention the fcc. it's been 271 days since the u.s. lost the top credit rating. today, rising stock prices are helping, so even though the market lost steam at the end of the day today, let's celebrate the fact it closed up at the four-year high. and global rage on may day. it's always marked by protest, by workers and unions and from los angeles to new york, the ooccupy movement marked it with their own theme. no work, no shopping, no school or banking. well times are still tough, but can we do more to ease the pain? here's a look at how much america has spent so far. the total is $3.5 trillion in stimulus spending.

as you can see, that includes the amount of t.a.r.p. that is still owed, the payroll tax, as well as ber neighbor i can's quantitative easing. we went and asked the "outfront" strike team, made up of the top innovators and entrepreneurs and we asked them if they thought we could spend more and it was overwhelmingly no. and one said, i think we have reached the point where further economic stimulus could do more harm than good. and another one said, it's time to gradually take off the training wheels and see if we can ride the bike. well, stephen moore of the "wall street journal" and the former labor secretary, robert reich whose book is called "beyond outrage." mr. reich, let me argue here, obviously it was pretty overwhelming. we had a coup of people who

thought that more stimulus would be appropriate. one said krugman style would be the way he goes. >> erin, if you don't think that more stimulus is appropriate or necessary or even possible right now, at the very least you don't want to do more government cutting. one reason the economy slowed down in the first quarter of this year to an annualized rate of 2.2% is because of all the government cutting in spending. europe's austerity policies there have proven that that kind of a government cutting, when you have so much unemployment and so much reluctance on the part of consumers and businesses to spend is a recipe for disaster. it slows the economy even more. >> that's an interesting point you make. the cut backs in government payrolls are really hurting, does it justify more spending? >> well, you know, to borrow a phrase from president obama, erin and bob, we tried it your way and it didn't work.

we have had as you just showed, erin, the biggest stimulus experiment, the biggest keynesian borrowing and -- >> a little? only when you're talking $3.5 trillion 3.5 versus 5 a big difference. >> very big numbers, whether your numbers are right or mine. the point is we haven't seen any kind of recovery like most americans want. what i'd like to see -- look, when this issue about growth versus austerity, i guess i'm with bob reich. i think that's the key to getting the debt down and getting the americans back in the jobs. but i think that's the combination of cutting back on government spending which we have seen so much over the last few years and cutting taxes and regulations on businesses so they can expand the operations that's the kind of growth i want to see. >> i want to ask you a question, bob reich -- go ahead. >> erin, i was going to say steve moore and i might not be

that far apart here. before we do more government cutting on the spending side, what we ought to do is set a target for unemployment. maybe we want -- you know, maybe we don't cut more spending until unemployment gets down to 6%. when unemployment hits that level and then we hit the austerity button and we have major cuts. before that, the danger is that we create too much -- >> wait a minute. hold on, bob. there's a big problem. a 6% unemployment rate under the pace we're at, we won't have a 6% unemployment rate for four or five more years. when are we going to get the enormous debt down? i guess the point that a lot of conservatives are making, we can't continue to prosper as a nation if we're borrowing $1 trillion year after year as bob reich is suggesting. >> no, wait a minute. i'm not suggesting that. >> respond to that. go ahead. >> everybody understands that if consumers are holding back, if

businesses are holding back, if exports are declining because we've got a recession brewing in europe and china is slowing, what we do have to do is maintain enough demand to maintain at least a modicum of growth. remember, the goal is not just deficit reduction. it's the reduction of the debt as a proportion of the total economy. so if the economy starts shrinking or the growth stops we're in greater and greater trouble. >> it is possible, bob reich, that things are better than they seem? one e-mailed me today, housing is the last of the economy to recover, it's happening. i see it. the data points suggests real recovery. dave roberts said this is the strongest market he's experienced since 2007. is it possible after the long and terrible recovery which one could argue has been over a decade, where we haven't had -- that we could really be coming up and we aren't seeing it yet? >> it's possible. we'll know more about the april job numbers come this friday. but the march quarterly report

in terms of the commerce department report and also as you remember the march unemployment report both were disappointing. let's keep our fingers crossed. >> if you want to know what real growth is, a real recovery look at what we had in the first quarter of 1984 under the reagan expansion. 7%, 8% growth in the gdp. we are only growing 2% and that's way too meager to get the jobs back that we need. if we can avoid the big tax increase, which is the wet blanket over the economy right now and that's happening on january 1, 2013, i'm with the ceos i think the economy is ready for the big expansion except for the big taxes coming next year. >> we appreciate it. please go on twitter, tell us what you think. spend or not right now. well, a florida task force

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florida stand your ground law is under scrutiny tonight as government rick scott's task force began debating if it should be repealed, modified or left completely alone. now, the law as you're aware became a lightning rod after 17-year-old trayvon martin was shot and killed by volunteer

neighborhood watchman george zimmerman in february. now, zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder. he says it was self-defense. justifiable homicides have tripled in florida since the law passed in 2005. it's become a national issue because of this case, but there are 24 other states with similar laws to florida's. state representative dennis baxley co-authored the stand your ground law in florida and he's on the governor's task force and natalie jackson is an attorney for trayvon martin's family. i appreciate you coming out tomorrow. representative baxley, let me start with you. your task force, first day. you were the person who -- you know, co-authored this bill. have you learned anything now that's made you say, you know what, we should modify it, we should change it? >> well, i'm learning something every day as this unfolds and i think we're learning a lot about the application of this statute as it's not new.

it's been here for seven years. we're not an outlier. over half the country has something like this, and we simply want people to be safe and to -- when they do experience violent attack to be able to defend themselves from harm. so i feel vindicated because in the beginning i was told that my statute, the one that i had sponsored with u.s. the reason that -- was the reason that mr. zimmerman couldn't be charged. i said i didn't see how that applied. because there's nothing in our statute that provides for you to pursue, confront or provoke anyone. and of course there's other self-defense arguments and i'm sure mr. zimmerman's attorney is going to try to do that. but i think the healthy review, to help people understand this statute and how it applies and how it keeps people safe. there will always be some close calls and of course our heart goes out when tragedy occurs. i have been a funeral director for over 40 years. i have stood with family and friends through very tragic

circumstances. and it's the most painful thing in the world for a child to die and i extend my condolences to the family. i'm grateful that we do have things in motion in florida and i think the task force will help clarify what we need to do with our statute, but i'm not operating on the presumption that it's flawed. >> natalie, how does that make you feel? that mr. baxley is saying he does not believe that it's flawed. >> well, i agree with the representative on a point and that's the point that we don't think this statute applies to the trayvon martin case either. we don't believe that -- like he said, it allows for someone to pursue and confront someone. the problem may be with the statute it's overly abroad and it allows for misinterpretation of the law and that's what happens here. so many people can interpret it so many different ways. it doesn't mean they're interpreting it right which is what happened here.

but, you know, it does definitely need to -- at least we need to look at the tailoring of it. >> well, that brings me to another question. state senator chris smith has a task force and among the changes that they have come forward with stand your ground was that a defendant shouldn't have immunity from arrest as one example. better recordkeeping too to track how often this law is used. as we talk about the surge in justifiable homicide since there was a stand your ground law in florida. would you agree with some of those modification, there that should be some changes to clarify since it seems so often that these cases come down to, well, he said and the other people's dead. >> well, out of respect to senator chris smith and he's a good friend, we served in the florida house together and debated many issues. but out of respect to him and to governor jennifer carroll, our lieutenant governor who's chairing this task force, i'm

going to withhold response to his proposals until he has an opportunity at our next meeting to actually present those proposals. but i am going to be very cautious about anything that would diminish our law-abiding citizens' ability to protect themselves from harm. everyone is going to need that protection at some point. this statute protects everyone because perpetrators know that we will stand be the victim and they have seconds when they know they'll be in the situation and they need to know we won't revictimize them with the system and grand them in front of the grand jury if they're the victim of a violent attack and they're a law-abiding citizen doing nothing wrong. >> what do you think is a bigger concern here? in the case of trayvon martin and george zimmerman, the fact that zimmerman just happened to have a gun and maybe he shouldn't have had one at all or the fact that he would have been aware of whether he would have used the words stand your ground, but that's sort of a

concept in florida. >> well, it's the fact that he's one of the people that we worry about misinterpreting the law. that's why there needs to be tighter definitions on the law. the stanford police department said they could not arrest george zimmerman because he said it was in self-defense that's preposterous. that's the interpretation that people have of this law. that's why these things need to be at least more definitively defined. >> well, thanks very much to both of you. we appreciate it as always. we know you have thoughts about this issue, so please, take to twitter and the facebook page and let us know what you think. next, rupert murdoch, not fit to run newscorp? that's what the british members of parliament investigating the phone hacking scandal and said murdoch can't do his job. will that force him out of his company?

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and we're back with tonight's "outer circle" where we reach out to the sources around the world. a british government committee stated in a report today that rupert murdoch is not a fit person to run a major international company. as parent of its investigation into the phone hacking scandal by a newscorp owned paper, the committee accused its ceo of quote willful blindness to the hacking by the news of the world. dan rivers is following the

story and i asked him what this really means for newscorp. >> erin, this is potentially very bad news for rupert murdoch's u.k. business interests because at the moment the british tv regulator is already deliberating about whether rupert murdoch is a fit and proper person to have a tv broadcast license. the fact that this committee has come up with a very similar conclusion concluding that he's not a fit person to have the stewardship of a major international company, some might say is another nail in his coffin and may increase pressure on him to stand aside. that shareholders and the board of newscorp may feel that he and he alone is going to cost them possibly their broadcast license in the u.k. and they're a major cash cow for newscorp. erin? >> thanks very much to dan. now to paris with five days left before the presidential election runoff.

now, nicolas sarkozy is facing off and both men today held rallies in deciding votes though may not come from the voters but from supporters of the far right candidate who is actually eliminated in the first round. she also had a rally today and i asked jim bittermann what her supporters or who her supporters are going to vote for. >> erin, of course, she is not in the presidential election, but she managed to capture 18% of the vote. the two leading candidates are now going into the runoff, and they would love to have them. but she sort of frustrated them today because she told her followers she personally was going to cast a blank ballot. she's going to the polling place and slip a white piece of paper into the envelope and vote for neither one of them. doing her civic duty, but making

it into a protest. we talked to the people at the rally today that follow her and they said they would do the same thing. so even though she told them to vote their conscience, vote which ever way they want, the fact is that probably a lot will follow her example. erin? >> everyone is going to be watching this weekend. the e-block is next. [ girl ] my mom always tells me:

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