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morning of "sister wives" star janelle. going to hear from that family. that big, crazy chaotic family later on this hour. >> barry white. hello. >> no, i get it. thank you, roland martin. roland is back on our panel. i can see how this morning is going to go. thank you for pointing out the obvious. also with us, good morning, will. >> good morning. >> margaret hooper is with us, as well, a former campaign staffer for president bush and former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. and she is the great granddaughter of president herbert hoover. >> how about that? >> i'm the great granddaughter of -- let's get to our starting point this morning. senator 36 years ousted by a tea party candidate who says we need less cooperation in congress and more confrontation.

richard lugar lost to richard mourdock. nice to see you as always. there are many, many iterations, james. tea party, he was out of touch. he was a victim of his own sort of failures to navigate his own campaign. there's an anti-incumbent vibe. is the big moral in this particular story, moderates have no place in congress right now? >> first of all, he didn't lose. he got smoked. he -- >> oh, sorry, let me change that. smoked. >> that was -- so let's start with that. what it means is this. it's pretty clear now if you're a republican senator and you're voting, you better fall in line because if you don't, people gonna get in line to run against you. that's very clear this happened to senator lugar. and there for the grace of god,

i'm lining up -- >> which means what for congress now? >> between what the right wing pollution industry, the anti-science people, the everything else want you better get in line because if you don't, they're going to run somebody against you. >> but james, blanche lincoln, arkansas, exact same thing, conceived as a liberal democrat -- >> she got beat in the general. >> right. >> can't beat in the general. this is an entirely different thing. entirely different thing. she won the primary. this is what happens. so when you fear becomes that you're going to be defeated in a primary, that is an entirely different kind of behavior as the fear you're going to get beat in the general. that's an entirely different thing. >> extrapolate that for me for what congress is going to look like. does it mean if everybody -- >> hasn't won the general yet.

>> so -- >> this may not -- >> polls are showing he might -- >> let's be clear. this election may actually not change the balance of power in the senate anyway. in fact, indiana was trending red anyway. republicans likely wouldn't have lost the seat. so hitting their 50 mark and taking back the senate, this has brought the context of the senate -- >> mourdock? >> can we draw a chart? >> that's going to change something to begin with. and it's not a given that the republicans are going to win the state now. he's got a good shot. >> okay. but indiana is still trending red. president obama's approval ratings are down in indiana. >> trending rate doesn't mean hard red. >> and he barely won indiana. you never have to ask me to -- >> go ahead. >> it's always been red. it's not trending red. >> i've been trying to win this

guy over for a year and a half through the camera. i'm going to try in person. i think we are going to draw huge lessons out of indiana. if you're an incumbent, you've got trouble. 17 governments in europe, 12 of them overturned from sarkozy to greece to merkel. you've got lugar in trouble on the right. bottom line, we're coming off a debt high and everybody's in trouble. >> don't equate with lugar. he's the longest-serving republican in the united states senate. secondly, if this hasn't happened before, if it didn't happen in utah before. okay, if they wouldn't have scared the you know what out of john mccain. i think this is actually one of the instances where it is valid to draw some very big conclusions. what you say is exactly right. one point you make is exactly right. >> which is what? >> that republicans disputed the left, republican moderates are

really at risk when they get primaries. incumbents are not doing well in the world. >> that's my point. >> i would buy that point. >> to your point, that is the issue. and that is when you have fewer moderate republicans, when you have folks -- when you have freedom works saying do not work with the other side. all you're simply asking for is more contention, more drama in the senate and what you actually need is you need people who do know how to reach across the aisle. to his point about senator john mccain. he was perceived as the guy who can reach across -- who's left? lindsey graham? >> look at olympia snowe. and you would have thought maine would have been much easier place. but the point i wrote a piece. the obama people are very smug. what incumbent would be very smug right now? nobody. >> the title of your piece is "wake up, democrats, you could lose." you think that democrats around the country are going to win as i hear time and time again from

the people on the street. democratic fundraisers, activists, and supporters alike collectively lapsed into the sentiment that the president is going to be reelected and we have a good shot to take back the house and hold the senate. i ask, what are you smoking, drinking, snorting, or just what the are you thinking? look around the world. do you see any governments or incumbents winning elections out there? so you agree with the incumbent issue, clearly. >> of course i do. but in the united states the incumbents got wiped out in '08, got wiped out in 2010, get wiped out here. you go to europe, you go anywhere. why would a political party that is in power that's tight in the polls that does not raise as much as any other party, democrats tell me all the time, it'll be all right, aren't we? >> don't you think that comment was that -- what was that? >> i'm the captain going -- >> go ahead. >> and the question is, was the

source of that sound that you just made and that overconfidence potentially that the fact that during the primary season, which frankly even republicans admit became a bit of a circus, ended up hurting the brand of the republican party. 20 plus debates. for the democrats paying attention, it was easy to become -- >> it was delightful. >> but the reality is, the majority of americans weren't watching during the presidential primary because they tune in august and september when there are nominees of both parties and that's when most of them pay attention. >> one of the reasons, because mitt romney is not just a bad presidential candidate. he might be the worst i've ever seen. just look at yesterday when he said they ought to give him credit for the auto bailout. he actually said that. i mean, i've never seen -- he gets the charge is that his foreign policy has a mentality, so they call a press conference and put the experts on the phone

and talk about czech slo vak ya and the union. >> versus smugness, sometimes smugness will lose that fight. >> and look, soledad, to james' point from the democrats getting comfortable, when you look at the numbers in terms of the critical states. ohio, pennsylvania, north carolina, those states. the president has a huge lead, in many ways they are tied. you look at voter suppression efforts, voter i.d.s. he's not going to win by 10 million votes. okay? it's going to be a lot tighter. if you're a democrat, the smart thing to say is you're treated like an underdog and work from behind to work your butt off. you get comfortable, you're going to lose come november. >> let me talk to you about joe biden for a minute. a couple things that had everybody jumping. all right. let's play them, shall we? this is joe biden on iran first. >> when we took office, let me

remind you, there was no international pressure on iran. we were the problem. we were diplomatically isolated in the world in the region. by going the extra diplomatic mile, presenting iran with a clear choice, we demonstrated to the region end of the world that iran is the problem, not the united states. >> that's the vice president saying america was the problem then. earlier in the week talked about gay marriage. i want to play that clip. >> i am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men and women marrying women and heterosexual men and women are entitled to the same rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. and i don't see much of a distinction beyond that. >> is there a strategy in this? is this one of those -- >> i don't know. and i ask that every time we -- from the gails of laughter, i'm

going to say no. >> more politics. it's happens the way it happens. it's less strategic than people think. >> that's always believable when you said the vice president said something. maybe there's a strategy there. he just said something, un, it might have been what he thought at the time. yeah. honestly, i don't know, but it could have been that he just said it. >> you're at a loss for words. >> i'm willing to concede in his instance, there was not a strategy involved. >> james, honestly, if you were part of this obama reelection campaign, what would you say to biden? >> i would say he's done pretty good. a lot better over the last few times than i had any right to expect. people like biden in washington. everybody knows him, likes him. i think he's done the president a good job. and he's not joe biden if he doesn't -- >> people have to understand when you look at the critical negotiation that are taking place between this administration and congress, joe biden has been the one sitting at the table. >> and suddenly all these issues

brought up that maybe they don't want to be discussing at this moment. >> not voting for him, though. not voting for vice president barack obama. >> maybe everyone if they'd gotten ready ahead of time -- >> when james said he enjoyed how much democrats are viewing the process. we love it when joe biden talks. i think joe biden -- sometimes it's good, he supports gay marriage, sometimes it's too good. foreign policy and economics, keep talking, joe. >> he's done a good job and he hasn't said as many things that have gotten him in trouble. >> as many bad things as we thought he might be saying at this time. >> joe's a great guy. >> let biden be biden. >> will the president switch him out? >> no, that would be -- when people say that -- he'd look

weak. >> he couldn't say anything about the campaign. plus, biden is an asset. people like joe biden. >> our view would be why give a guy who is doing a good job, why give him the rub? >> he says crazy stuff that we get to parse on morning tv. >> there's democrats saying -- we don't think it's crazy, we think it's -- >> no, there's implications of that that everybody's dealing with at the white house. that's the problem. i appreciate you joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> we've got to get to a look at the headlines. christine romans has those as we parse through the noises here. the fbi investigating two different air scares this morning to find out if they're linked. both were southwest airline flights from john wayne airport in california, the sky harbor in phoenix. one flight was searched by a bomb squad and dogs before takeoff. air traffic control being very

careful as they guided the plane to an isolated area. >> on to the runway and just taxi southbound and i will advise. just take your time, go down to the end of the runway and turn left. and while you're in the iso area, at least remain this frequency in case i have some problems with you. >> the other southwest flight was searched after it landed in phoenix. both planes were given the all clear. the would be bomber in a thwarted plot to blow up a u.s. airliner was an undercover agent working with saudi arabia to infiltrate al qaeda. the device they were going to use was similar to this one used by the so-called underwear bomber back in 2009. but much more sophisticated. over the weekend, a u.s. drone strike in yemen took out a key al qaeda leader believed to be involved in planning this attack. but the expert bomb maker is still out there. peter king, chairman of the house homeland security committee told anderson cooper

that all these leaks could jeopardize the search for al-quso. >> as far as i know, this has not been declassified by the cia or by the administration and it's really to me unfortunate that this has gotten out because this could really interfere with operations overseas. >> that new al qaeda bomb is now at the fbi lab for analysis. he's considered armed and dangerous. fbi and police are combing two states to find the kidnapping suspect adam mayes and save two young girls. surveillance video shows mayes in a mississippi convenience store just days after the alleged abduction of joanne bane and her four daughters from their home in tennessee. the mother and oldest daughter were found dead in the backyard of mayes' home in mississippi. now mayes' mother and ex-wife are in custody accused of helping in the aggravated kidnapping. the fbi is offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to mayes and the two girls.

minding your business this morning. the 99% planning to occupy charlotte, north carolina, this morning. the corporate home of bank of america where its annual shareholder meeting happens today. protesters are unhappy with the bank's foreclosure practices and investments in coal mining. also worth noting. if you are a bank of america mortgage loan customer, watch your mailbox this week. you could get a notice related to that big mortgage settlement announced earlier. the bank is sending out letters to people eligible for principal reduction on their mortgage loans. it could mean up to -- well, could mean some significant savings for some customers. a check on the markets now. u.s. stocks open lower. dow futures down 90 points. markets down yesterday too because of concerns about a slowdown in worldwide economies especially in europe. oil prices down too. oil is down 9% over the past five days. that means you can expect lower gas prices still over the next few weeks, as a result. soledad? >> like to hear that.

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welcome back, everybody. we were talking a few minutes ago about richard mourdock's win over lugar. some success linking senator lugar to president obama. >> i've worked with republican

senator dick lugar to pass a law. >> what i did was reach out to senator dick lugar. >> i'm interested in figuring out my foreign policy, i associate myself with joe biden or with dick lugar the republican ranking member. >> richard mourdock is a republican nominee from indiana. congratulations, sir, nice to have you with us. i appreciate your time. give me a sense of why you think you won. i mentioned a couple of reasons people have been talking about. but why do you think you won? >> well, all politics are local, soledad, as you know. and the fact is mr. lugar had long distanced himself to indiana republicans, moved out of the state in 1977 and frankly hadn't been back very often, especially in the last ten years. and people in indiana want to know who is representing them, want to be able to talk to them. and i think that was the biggest liability that mr. lugar carried into this race. >> he sent out a message to his

supporters and others, i guess, as well, and he said it was about an anti-incumbent head winds. he also said linking him to senator obama at the time would be used against him and that he was also a target of clubs for growth and freedom works. and clubs for growth sent out an e-mail saying total independent expenditures by club for growth entities combined amounted to 40% of all independent expenditures in indiana's senate race in the last 30 days before election day. do you think he has a point? which is funding from major sources somewhere between $2 million from them, $4 million total was really what helped push you over? >> well, there's no question with the independent expenditure campaigns that were coming in on both sides. got to be a very expensive race for both of us. and for those independent expenditure packs. but those packs coming in on our behalf represent a special interest group.

they're called conservatives. people from all over the united states who want to see the united states senate controlled by not just republicans but by conservatives who are willing to get in this race. they want to be heard. and it's a legitimate part of the process. >> mr. mourdock, this is will cane. let's talk about what it is you would represent to conservatives. if you had to pick one senator holding office, who would you model yourself after? who would you say you want to be like? >> well, i would give you a couple. certainly jim demint is one, mike lee from utah is another. i am a conservative. i believe that what we have to have for economic recovery is more rolled back government, scaled back. we need to get the economy going. this campaign is -- as much as the negative ads were beating up on things of the past, we were talking about the future in front of audiences. we've got to get our economy growing and we've got to scale back government, lowering taxes and giving stability in the capital market. >> mr. mourdock, a follow-up question. many people have likened jim

demint and the tea party to not compromising in the senate. and what would you say? i want to give you an opportunity to respond. what would you say when people criticize you as saying you don't understand the nature of the institution you're running to represent the senate which is really premised on the notion of compromising with your colleagues. >> well, i'm a huge student of american history and i recognize this is one of those times where there's great polarization between the two parties. and frankly the ideas for which the parties are working are really at opposite ends of the spectrum. i don't think there's going to be a lot of successful compromise. hence you have the deadlock we have today. what i've said about compromise, i hope to build a conservative majority so bipartisanship becomes democrats joining republicans to roll back the size of government, reduce the bureaucracy, and get america moving again. the stimulus plan hasn't worked. >> what i hear you say is you're not going to compromise, in fact the only compromise you'll do is really getting other people on

the other side of the aisle to come to your side of the aisle, which is the definition against compromise. you said this in the "new york times" -- >> well, it is the definition of political effectiveness. >> so political effectiveness you are saying is not possible with compromise. some people would say political effectiveness in the senate would require compromise. there are many issues that cannot be done if you do not get bipartisan support. you're not going to work toward bipartisan support? >> well, the fact is, you never compromise on principles. if people on the left they have a principle to standby, they should never compromise, those of us on the right should not either. it may come in the finer details of the plan or the budget, but the real principles i've mentioned about having government rolled back in size, lowering taxes, those are the principles that caused me to get in the race. motivated many people to get out and work for us. and we are at that point where one side or the other has to win this argument.

one side or the other will dominate. >> you told the "new york times," the time for being has past. when i talk to people frustrated about a lack of what's getting done in washington, d.c. i mean there's genuine frustration and the anger can be seen on some of the poll numbers. i think approval is probably 17% approval for congress. doesn't going in with an attitude potentially, of course, if you're able to be victorious at the very end that collegial has passed and we're going to be confrontational, doesn't that just undermine any sense of trying to get americans united and together and raise some of those numbers for approval, frankly? >> well, we are at that point right now. where you want to see where we have collegiality? okay, we have collegiality -- >> i don't know that you have collegiality, sir. i'm going to argue against that. >> well, i -- my point was in that interview and it is still today, those who are saying we

need more collegiality, mr. lugar was seen as a collegial person, yet there was that frustration, i'm certain part of the reason we won was the fact we mentioned that congress is seen as so unpopular because it's so ineffective. i want to confront the issues. i'm bipartisan in the sense i want to confront the big spenders who are both republicans and democrats. i want to confront those who would protect the bureaucracy rather than the republicans or democrats. that's the kind of confrontation we need to address the real issues that will get this country going again. we have a difficult time ahead, we have to make tough decisions, i'm willing to make them. and if people see that as confrontational, so be it. i like to see it as effective leadership. >> thanks for talking with us about it. we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. we'll take a short break. still ahead this morning on "starting point." our get real, president obama challenged by a man in prison who is doing very well, actually. >> sounds like a bad story to start.

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it's time for my favorite part of the show, which is our get real. how unpopular is president obama in some parts of the united states? well, let's take a look at west virginia where the president lost roughly 40% of the vote in last night's democratic primary. he won overall, but lost to an inmate. the guy's name is keith judd serving time at the beaumont institute in texas. the results, 71,000 for judd, president obama 103,000 votes according to the west virginia record. judd received more votes than the president in 10 out of 55 counties. he's in prison for making

threats at the university of new mexico more than a decade ago. not on the ballot, so paid $2,500 for it. i'm curious about that. some simply voting against somebody who is running against the president was enough for them. >> oh, my gosh. >> i'm back to james carville. >> this is -- >> not only did he lose to a guy in prison, federal prison, no campaign -- i don't know what it says, but it says something. >> y'all have lost y'all minds. that's what it says. >> remember, he won. >> 40% of y'all have lost y'all minds. still ahead this morning on "starting point," we're going to talk to former fbi special agent who says his interrogation of the man who was killed in last weekend's drone strikes brought him close to uncovering the 9/11 plot over a decade ago. that's ahead. you're watching "starting point." not in this economy. we also have zero free time, and my dad moving in.

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and welcome back, everybody. we start with breaking news. a passenger plane has gone missing in indonesia. it had 46 people onboard. as the russian jet took off from an airplane in jakarta. the flight was only supposed to last about 30 minutes, but officials lost contact with the plane around 2:00 in the afternoon there. they are searching on the ground. it was a demonstration flight by the russian super jet, 100-passenger plane with only 46 onboard. and it's the first commercial aviation plane from that company which actually makes military planes. demonstration flight, again, only supposed to last about 30 minutes, but they were not able to reconnect and get contact with the pilots of that plane and now that plane is missing. we're going to continue to update you on what's happening there as we continue through the morning. and a dramatic twist to talk about in that foiled al qaeda plot to bomb a u.s.-bound passenger plane. a law enforcement source says the would be bomber was actually an undercover agent for saudi arabia.

the agent passed the explosive device to the cia, saudi intelligence, and allied foreign intelligence agencies. that information is what aided the cia in a drone strike back on sunday. and that strike killed fahd mohammed ahmed al quso and a suspect in the 2000 bombing of in yemen. >> he interrogated al quso after the coal attack and the author of "black banners." thanks for being with us. i think a lot of what we're hearing and was a little bit confusing yesterday was cleared up overnight. the would be bomber, an intelligence agent which makes some sense about why there was so little being told about this plot. he was working with the south dakota saudis. he volunteered to take the bomb and took it over. how important is this piece of intelligence, this information he's delivered not just to the

saudis but the allied forces. how important is this find? >> extremely important. this is probably one of the best successes we had in a long time against al qaeda. and we have to give the credit to the cia and to the ally intelligence agencies. this is as good as it gets in intelligence operations. you know, you have a place like yemen, you have al qaeda, cia, you have other friendly intelligence agencies. you have a source on the inside. it doesn't get any better than that. it's literally a brilliant operation. and now we know what al qaeda is planning to do. we know that they are planning to build another undetected bomb. >> let's talk about this bomb. because the bomber, the would be bomber brought the would be bomb to intelligence agency and now they're trying to figure out exactly how it was constructed. what do we know about it now? >> well, it's still being analyzed. but we know that al qaeda have been trying for a long time to

build bombs like this. for example, if you remember richard reid, the shoe bomber. you know, they had some kind of a covert undetected bomb. then the bomb-maker in yemen, who is probably one of the most dangerous people today. >> he's linked to the cartridge printer bombs -- >> and the underwear bomber. and he recruited his own brother to assassinate the deputy minister of interior of saudi arabia. but every time he built any of these bombs, he had a problem with the design or detonation. >> that changed on this new bomb? >> well, we don't know. this new bomb is being analyzed now with the fbi. i'm sure they're studying the design, the detonation. every time so far with the dirty -- with the underwear b b bomb, with the shoe bomb, with the assassination, they had a problem with detonation. >> and part of the problem was

only one way to detonate. so if it fails, it fails. and now it looks like this particular underwear bomb has a couple of different facets. it's made in a way that if you were patted down, you probably wouldn't be able to detect it. number two, it's not metallic, it wouldn't set the screener off. and number three, it sounds to me there are two ways to detonate it. if the first way fails, there's the backup way. >> and this gives you an idea about the innovation of al qaeda and the arabian peninsula. these people are so dangerous. al qaeda on the arabian peninsula is as close as you can get to bin laden's version of al qaeda. all these individuals are people who did not join al qaeda on the internet. those people who went to afghanistan, know bin laden, fought with bin laden. he was the chief of staff of bin laden in kandahar. many times in yemen for his connection to the "uss coal." he also was a loyal servant for

osama bin laden. and many of these individuals leading al qaeda on the arabian peninsula were people we arrested before, we prosecuted in yemen, put in jail, and they were able to dig a tunnel, 22 of them, escape, and join some other al qaeda members from saudi arabia and establish al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. >> thank you, a former fbi special agent. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, soledad, for having me. still ahead, the cast of the hit reality show "sister wives" will join us. also, senator, nba champion, bill bradley's with us. why he's blaming both parties for what he calls paralysis in washington. you're watching "starting point." [ female announcer ] i found the best cafe in the world. ♪ nespresso. where there's a grand cru to match my every mood.

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point," our next guest spent ten years playing basketball for the new york knicks, then 18 years in the u.s. senate representing the state of new jersey. a democratic candidate for the presidency of the united states in 2000, and now he's the author of a new book. it's called we can all do better. bill bradley joins us this morning. it's nice to see you. who's the we in we can all do better? >> it comes from a quote in lincoln's second state of the union address where he says we can only succeed by concert. which means working together. it's not -- can all of us imagine better. can all of us do better. and that's the real question. can we all do better? if you look at the fragility and inequality of our economy, the direction of our foreign policy, the paralysis of our national dialogue. you ask yourself, can we all do better? and the answer's certainly. it also applies to each of us personally. can each of us do better? do we take care of our bodies? do we educate ourselves? do we save money?

are we able to do better? and i think that our circumstances today challenge each of us to be at our best. at the same time, you know, the fate of us of individuals will depend on the national community. >> so what you're saying, though, about all working together so we can all be better completely contradicts what we heard from richard murdoch. we joined him by satellite a few moments ago. he was a victor in the race against dick lugar. what do you think -- how do you think he will fair if he is able to go on to the senate? >> well, i'm an old friend of dick lugar's, and he was a great u.s. senator and he'll be missed. i think what i heard mr. mourdock say misses the essence of america. we wouldn't have a constitution without compromise. and there was a time, you know, when the question was would the united states provide? and george washington told alexander hamilton to settle the

dispute so the federal government could pick up the debts of other states and virginia, of course, had less debt than other states, but washington said you've got to convince jefferson to do this, hamilton. so they negotiated. and the compromise was achieved. hamilton said we'll move the capital of the united states to the banks of the potomac, could you get the virginia delegate -- >> don't you think compromise to some degree has been elevated to such a high perch, it's just not realistic. the point of this democracy is to fight, debate, move slowly. if it was just about getting things done, why don't we have an autocra krrkautocracy. >> strong debate is important. ronald reagan wasn't a bad conservative, but at the end of the day he compromised because he wanted to move things forward a little bit. >> is that the issue.

what do we compromise on? our principles? >> let's compromise, for example, on the debt. let's compromise on how we get the deficit reduced in this country. i mean, you're not going to get it reduced unless you hit the big items, which are social security, medicare, taxes, and defense. you've got to get them all in there. and one of the reasons i wrote this book was to give people some hope that we've had difficult circumstances in our past. and we've overcome them, depressions, wars, and also to remind people that there's a basic goodness in the american people. and our institutions give us the flexibility to solve our problems if we have politicians that put country ahead of party and tell people the truth. >> but if you want to say speaking the truth, soledad talked about we. part of my problem -- when we have this debate is we always say it's a politician's problem, but who are the people sending them there.

the people who voted mourdock, they want something. you are part of the problem because you're sending people there who choose to be strident on either side. >> i don't disagree that citizens of the ultimate judges in our society. in 2008, for example, in an election night in chicago. we all made a mistake to believe that a leader could solve all our problems by himself. even someone who touched our hearts as deeply as barack obama can't do it alone. he can say this is the direction, but he needs sergeants, lieutenants, citizens. >> and he said it that night. >> and roland, what you're suggesting is that the citizens of the country are making an uninformed decision -- it's the people who -- as i understand the tea party, they don't want representatives to compromise on their principles. obviously at the end of the day, some of this negotiation tweaking a bit in the

legislation is going to have to happen. that's what senator bradley did in the tax reform act in 1986, which was a major legislative achievement. and at the end of the day, you had your principles and then you work out the details at the end of the day. you come with your principles. and i think that's -- >> i'll let you have the final for you. i will let you have the final word. i wonder is it principles versus getting stuff done? does getting stuff done mean eventually you have to give up on principles? >> you have to be who you are. you have to have strong principles. at the same time, the way you get things done is you have to compromise. take a look at the tea party versus occupy. tea party had a very specific objective, which is roll back government and decide to go into electoral politics and elected 43 people to the congress and those people during the debt limit almost bankrupted this country. on the other hand occupy had a lot of passion and good slogan. we're the 99%. chose not to have a specific objective or to get into

electoral politics. unless you have hands on levers of power which is congress and presidency, your passion is not going to work. look at what happened last point in the 1960s. dr. martin luther king, jr., had a dream, had a moral force, and drove the civil rights revolution. his partner in that being realized that dream being realized was a crafty politician named lyndon johnson who knew how to compromise. >> thank you for being here. appreciate it. still ahead on "starting point," they face lots of criticism over their lifestyles. has anything changed for sister wives after two seasons that documents their life on reality tv? the whole family will join us up next. look. it's so simple. [ male announcer ] in here, the right minds from inside and outside the company come together to work on an idea. adding to it from the road, improving it in the cloud

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season of tlc's "sister wives." it follows the chaotic lives of the brown family. husband, cody, firthe wives ande 17 kids. take a look. it looks like these are some of the family photographs. the show is on tlc and they have written a book the story of an unconventional marriage. you all join me this morning. i have to ask you first, four wives just seems like a lot of work. >> sure. tell why. what makes a polygamist relationship really worth it at the end of the day? >> a polygamist relationship is

about developing a family, the family that you choose. the family that you want. we have a lot of opportunity to grow together and to, you know, it's a process of personal development. we're becoming better people in the relationships that we have with one another. this is really a story of love. for me. this is the story of the opportunity for me to be able to love the women or marry the women that i love. >> i should mention that technically legally you are married to one but you have sort of spiritual marriage with the other wives. >> sort of. it's a spiritual relationship. it's a faith based decision. for me now i would go back and choose it again because i've had such a wonderful life. >> what's in the book that's coming out that's not what we see as cameras trail you

everywhere. what are biggest upsides and downsides? >> to the show? >> to the family in general. i could take off with my family upsides of being married with four kids and downsize of being married with four kids. >> downside would be that it's loud. >> that's not a downside. that's a happy family. >> if there is a downside, that would be it. >> i guess you could ask the kids. the kids could say, you know, they do a lot of sharing. then that also teaches them a lot of character as well. it's hard to say that's a downside. every single thing you could consider a downside, it has a blessing on the other end. >> if your kids didn't want to be in a sister/wife situation for your daughters, would you be fine with that? >> absolutely. >> choose what makes them happy. >> i was going to say that.

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that's smarter power today. our starting point this morning, vice president biden talking tough about iran. saying america was the problem before president obama took over. he's angry that he would blame america first. two new air scares, bomb threats to two southwest airline flights and suzanne somers will

join us promising secretes that redefine ageing. it's wednesday, may 9th and "starting point" begins right now. i had a thigh master. every woman in my generation had one. >> it's a solid decade ago. >> yes, i am so much older than you are. >> it's still part of your routine. >> you're listening to prince. that's off roland martin playlist. where is roland? >> my bad. >> roland, have a seat. he's on our panel this morning. will cain from blaze.com. any time, roland, it's good for you, you sit down. margaret hoover is with us as well a former campaign staffer for president obama and former new york city mayor rudy giuliani and also great

granddaughter of president herbert hoover. we start this morning with the vice president. joe biden. kind of done it again while trying to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of george w. bush for the nuclear buildup in iran, he blamed the united states. >> when we took office, let remind you there was no pressure on iran. we were the problem. we were diplomatically isolated in the world, in the region. by going the extra diplomatic mile, presenting iran with a clear choice, we demonstrated to the region and to the world that iran is the problem, not the united states. >> the romney campaign quickly fired back with this statement that comes from policy director chen. all too often the obama administration has sought to

blame america first yet vice president biden's reckless statement has reached a new low. republican senator from wyoming is the chairman of the republican policy committee. he's also a member of the senate foreign relations committee and joins us this morning. nice to see you, sir. thank you for being with us. >> thank you so much for having me. >> it's always my pleasure. thank you. let's get your reaction what you heard from joe biden. i know you have been angered before by something he has said. what do you think this time around? >> the president ought to stop blaming america and focus on where the problem lies which is with iran. these are people who terrorize their leadership and their own citizens and threatens neighbors and continues to be trouble makers in the world. that's where the problem lies. >> we were earlier talking about a number of the gaffs and blunders or whatever words you want to use to describe what joe biden occasionally does and i

want to play sort of a montage of some of them and ask you a question on the other side. let's start with that. >> every ten minutes there's a shift in what the strategy is. >> who gives a [ bleep ]. >> stand up, chuck. let them see you. god rest her soul. your mom is still alive. your dad passed. >> how much of this is the political game. someone says something you leverage off of it because it makes its way through the cable talking points conversation and how much of this is genuinely you feel the conversation and what he said about iran is destructive and hurts an international conversation. >> joe biden here seems to be the gift that keeps on giving when you listen to a number of his comments. i served on the foreign relations committee with the president and with vice president biden. i don't know if he has selective amnesia. in the last two years of the bush administration there were

five different sanctions against iran and what's happening now in the last three years and even the president's own national intelligence director says things have continued it move in iran with developing of nuclear weapons. we see that and if anything it's actually the stubborn reality is that when iran is doing is accelerating so things are not getting better there. we see the a sanctions the senate tried to offer and the president and vice president fought those when it was obvious we would get things passed to make it tougher on iran than the white house tried to weaken those sanctions. we have great concerns about iran with a nuclear weapon and even one nuclear weapon is too much in the hands of this destructive regime. >> he didn't say allow them to have a nuclear weapon. he was saying we should have been maximizing international pressure under the bush administration. let's deal with what he said. forget if he want to call it a gaffe or not.

is that true or not in terms of american leading an international effort to put pressure on iran. >> this to me is an administration soft on tough dictators and tough on soft dictator. an administration stood silent when there were protesters rising up in this president's administration. there are five different sanctions brought between 2006 and 2008 with the united nations against iran. maybe the vice president has selective amnesia on those points. those were things that have continued to go and what we know now is that iran is now slowing down. we know that iran seems to be in my opinion trying to run out the clock as they try to develop this so-called zone of immunity where they have the enriched nuclear material for a nuclear weapon you need 140 pounds of uranium and ways to enrich it to

80% and my concern is they'll get there sooner rather than later. they are accelerating their efforts to do that and what this administration is doing has not been able to stop that. >> i want to underline something the senator said. he answered your question before he asked it. set aside whether or not vice president biden's comments are offense on their own merit. they are simply wrong. iran has continued to move toward a nuclear program and in fact has accelerated it. if we were the problem, which is offensive but more importantly wrong, what have they done right? this administration? >> first of all, are you asking me or him? >> i think i'm asking you. >> he's asking you and you can turn and ask the senator. >> i think what vice president was talking about when you look at iran's partners and you talk about russia, when you talk about the impact they could have on the country and begin to talk about china as well and you talk about france, i believe what it was saying is us talking to those individuals saying, look, we need you to also put pressure on your partner of iran just like we're talking about north korea talking to china as well. >> it does look like iran rather

than bucking under and the sanctions and buckling other they are saying we're going to go to india. we learned that in the last couple days they are working their way around the sanctions through leadership with india and secretary of state has said that iran working with china is attempting to break through the sanctions so iran is not in my opinion being impacted significantly to the point that they are going to listen to world opinion and stop their efforts to develop nuclear weapons but the reality is they're going to continue to work in an aggressive nature toward that and it seems to me to be accelerating and not slowing down. >> senator, chairman of the republican policy committee, thank you for talking with us this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you, soledad. >> let's get to christine for a look at other headlines this morning. >> good morning again, soledad. considered armed and dangerous. police and fbi are canvassing two states to capture kidnapping suspect adam mayes and save two

little girls. surveillance video shows mayes in a mississippi convenience store just days after the alleged abduction of jo ann bain and her four daughters from their home in tennessee. the mother and the oldest daughter were found dead in the backyard of mayes' home in mississippi. now his mother and ex-wife are in custody accused of helping in that aggravated kidnapping. the fbi is offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to mayes and the two girls. fbi investigating two different air scares to find out if they are linked. bo air traffic control is being very careful as it guided the plane to an isolated area. >> just taxi southbound and i will advise. take your time and go all of the way down to the end of the runway and turn left.

>> the other southwest flight was searched after it landed in phoenix. both planes were given the all clear. the longest serving republican in the united states senate will soon be out of a job. dick lugar forced into retirement last night after a 36-year, six-term career defeated by richard mourdock. soledad spoke to mourdock last hour, he says if he wins the senate seat, don't expect him to compromise. >> if people on the far left have a principle to stand by, they should not compromise. compromise may come in the finer details of a plan or a budget but the real principles that i mentioned about having government rolled back in size and lowering taxes, those are the principles that caused me to get in this race and motivated people to get out and work for us and we are at that point where one side or the other has to win this argument.

>> senator lugar taking the high road saying i hope that richard mourdock prevails in november so he can contribute to the republican majority. check your twitter this morning to see if you are still in control of it. hackers claim they broke into 55,000 twitter accounts and posted the passwords online earlier this week. twitter confirmed this hack attack and said it was taking action but also kind of suggested it was a weak attempt pointing out that half of the accounts that were stolen were spam or already suspended and that it is only a tiny, tiny percentage of the site's 140 million active users. check on markets this morning. u.s. stocks poised to open lower again. dow futures down 70 points right now. markets fell yesterday on concern that global growth is slowing. 12 of europe's economies are already in recession. oil prices are down about 9% over the past five days. that means you can expect lower gas prices over the next few weeks as a result. police in austin, texas,

releasing dash cam video of a school bus running over a student last week. the young victim is okay but a warning to you. you might find this video hard to watch. that student was flown several feet. he was not seriously hurt. the driver was placed on administrative leave and faces disciplinary action. soledad? >> that is just horrible. that is so horrible. and as will pointed out earlier there have been so many times over the last couple days that we've shown videotape of someone being smacked by a vehicle and maybe even more stunning is that they are okay at the end. i think in every single case they've been okay. >> what did the driver do wrong? >> it looks like it was a red light. if you watch that video again very closely it looks like there was a red light. we can't know for sure and there's an investigation of course. it looks like that student was

stepping forward anticipating the walk and then boom. we'll show you one more time. you can see the red light. >> anybody who is watching this, i tell folks all the time, forget anticipating. you wait until that bad boy is green and everyone is stopped before you get off that curb. >> i'm with you on that. it's so true. people are distracted. thank you, christine. appreciate it. still ahead on "starting point," ceos have a warning to the white house that the administration is going to do something that could stunt the growth of the entire economy. we'll tell what you it is. from the blonde on "three's company" to building an empire based on health. you're watching "starting point." back in a moment. every communications provider is different

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joel. you can see our playlist on our website every morning on cnn.com/startingpoint. christine is with us talking a little bit about money, money, money. some ceos, biggest ceos in the country speaking out saying a particular tax hike in the president's budget for next year could hurt the economy and hurt taxpayers as well. they have written really specifically about taxes on dividends. >> they have written a letter to treasury secretary geithner saying don't raise taxes on dividends. these are 18 ceos of companies that give out big dividends and they are saying it would slow the economy and hurt investors and hurt senior citizens who invest. >> the argument is because companies that give big dividends will stop giving big dividends? >> that's what they say. we put a screen together with things they say. if we don't give these dividends, it could spark a new wave of volatility in our financial markets and give a competitive edge to overseas

corporations at a time when we need capital formation to create jobs and expand our economy. a big fight between people who believe that keeping a 15% tax rate on dividends and compaapit gains is good for companies and creates jobs and people on the left who say it's just giving riches to companies and to already wealthy people at the expense of blowing up the deficit. >> let's run through some of the names of the people who have signed on. there verizon, u.p.s., frontier communications, duke energy. >> it's huge. these are huge companies. >> how much weight will it have? a letter to geithner but an open

letter to everyone. >> this is the first time in three budgets that the president has taken on the capital gains and dividends thing. until now it's been leave these where they are at 15%. argument among people like this and will cain this money has been taxed already. look at apple for example. $100 billion in the bank. they paid their corporate taxes on it. they are sitting in bank. they're going to buy a company, they're going to buy back own stock or give it to shareholders. shareholders when they get that dividend pay 15% on it. the company paid taxes on those earnings, they give it to shareholders as loyalty investment they pay 15%, white house says they should pay more than that. >> white house saying that they would pay triple 15%. the number would be 45%. i don't know that it's a 1% debate. what this letter says -- let me finish this point. as much as they list obviously people who own investments in these companies, they talk about

retirees who get dividends. if at the end of the day you don't hand out dividends, you are affecting people who wouldn't necessarily fall into 1%. >> not only top 1% of americans who have stock in apple or any sort of investment in the stock market. that's what you're saying. >> what i'm saying is if you're the ceo, you need to -- i believe you need to make a stronger argument because it gives the impression that you are having a typical conversation of ceos saying we don't want any further taxes. i say for people out there facing potential cuts when it comes to the budget, they're not going to be saying i'm really hanging around you guys. >> uncertainty around this. tax reform is something we've talked about a lot. our tax code is crazy. it is crazy. >> it's true. >> it's crazy. they would also like a simpler more understandable tax code that benefits them and their business. >> i think so. >> that's part of it too. >> all right. thank you very much. still ahead this morning on

"starting point," rick santorum puts on the sweater vest and shows up on late night. >> shocker. >> it has a lukewarm endorsement of mitt romney. we'll tell you how he's defending himself coming up. you're watching "starting point." we're back in just a moment. ♪ [ male announcer ] we believe in thinking day and night... about your dog's nutrition.

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♪ ain't that america you and me ♪ >> john mellencamp. will cain's playlist this morning. >> guitar and a guy means it's mine. >> no one is playing one of mine. i'm getting no play whatsoever. time to talk about the papers this morning. >> it's about the panel m. >> carry on, panel. >> margaret, we'll start with

you. >> i'm going "usa today" below the fold. i was told to go light. tv remotes are getting smarter which means you'll have voice recognition systems and you can talk to your remote control and fight with your husband. don't have to find the remote control under the papers. there it is. not that i fight with my husband about this it will be easier. >> her husband is cnn contributor john avalon so you can picture that fight. >> i stick by my principles. i don't need to compromise. >> houston chronicle. the police chief had three officers he fired for beating a teen. he said change the statute. they should be charged with felonies and not misdemeanors. for a police chief to say that, that's an important thing. too often the blue line laws protect themselves. >> will? >> the growing obesity problem in the united states when someone questions whether capitalism works for everyone, i

point out that everyone is getting fatter. >> i don't understand the link at all. >> i can talk more about it if you want. >> here's my choice. risk of teens fatal crash rises with number of kids in the car. this is fascinating. teenagers crash almost four times more than older drivers but they started breaking it down. if they have a teenage driver with one other passenger who is a teen, that means it almost increases by half. it doubles if that teenage driver has two teenage passengers with them and it q d quadqua quadruples when they have four in the car. >> will a car be in your daughter's future? >> she lives in manhattan. of course not. learn to navigate the subway system. >> my dad solved that. you aren't driving. he said you're not driving my car. >> ahead, another etch-a-sketch

moment. is the former governor still deciding or does he have a clear cut opinion? we'll talk about that. rick santorum on late night. addresses that late night e-mail that endorsed mitt romney 13 paragraphs in and suzanne somers goes from actress to building an anti-ageing health empire. some secrets on how you stay sexy. we'll take notes. we'll leave you with "i'm sexy and i know it." you're watching "starting point."

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indonesia. 46 people on board. two pilots. 44 passengers. the plane took off from an airport in jakarta. it was supposed to be a 30-minute long demonstration flight and then it was supposed to land back at that same airport. officials say they have lost all traces of the plane as it was making a descent from 10,000 feet to 6,000 feet. it vanished off the radar screens. radio contact apparently has been completely lost. officials say the plane should have burned up all of its fuel by now. an air search was called off after it got too dark. crews are now searching on the ground. it is russia's newest civilian airliner making a multination tour. we're going to continue to update you on what is happening on this story as more news on this comes in. let's get to christine romans for a look at the day's other top stories. >> the would-be bomber in a thwarted plot to blow up a u.s. airliner was actually an undercover agent working with

saudi arabia to infiltrate al qaeda. the device they were going to use was similar to this one used by the so-called underwear bomber back in 2009 but much more sophisticated. over the weekend a u.s. drone strike in yemen took out a key al qaeda leader believed to be involved in planning this attack but the expert bombmaker is still out there. congressman peter king, chairman of the house homeland security committee, told anderson coop s ecooper that these leaks could jeopardize the investigation. >> i've been briefed on this. it's really to me unfortunate that this has gotten out because this could really interfere with operations overseas. >> that new al qaeda bomb is now at the fbi lab in quantico for analysis. john mccain criticizing president obama again for what he calls a lack of leadership on critical terrorism issues. the arizona senator taking exception to how the president

handled osama bin laden's death. >> i hope this isn't viewed in the wrong way but heros don't brag. heros don't brag and his continuous bragging about taking out bin laden, you know, most of the guys i know would say let somebody else talk about that. >> just last week senator mccain accused the president of doing a shameless end zone dance to help himself get re-elected. michele bachmann is bicontinental. she is now a swiss citizen too. she gained the nationality through her husband who is native of switzerland meaning she is eligible to run for political office in that european union. another member of the not mitt romney club, rick santorum making a guest appearance on "the tonight show" and a chance to explain his less than enthusiastic e-mail endorsement for romney. >> you endorsed mitt romney in an e-mail. i thought you would be in bed at

11:00 at night. >> we have seven kids. we don't sleep. >> why in the middle of the night? it seems kind of tepid. >> i met with governor romney last friday. we've been trying to work on a meeting. we just needed time. we decided to put it out late at night so it would be the first thing people would see in the morning. >> santorum presented leno with a souvenir sweater vest. >> i wonder if you can still buy that online. they were going like hot cakes. >> have to pay off campaign debt. >> you can make serious money that way. it was doing well. >> i wouldn't say serious money. >> they made serious money. >> tell me how sales are and we'll move on. >> the romney campaign is pushing back this morning on what some people are saying was a sort of etch-a-sketch moment when the woman in charge of hispanic outreach for the republican national committee said that governor romney is still deciding his position on immigration. here's what she said.

>> i think, as a candidate, to my understanding that he's still deciding what his position on immigration is so i can't talk about his, what his proposal is going to be because i don't know what romney exactly -- he's talked about different issues. and what we saw in the republican primary is that there's a very diverse opinion on how to deal with immigration. so i won't -- i can't talk about something that i don't know what the position is. >> so that was bettina inclan. she says the position is clear including a link to the former governor immigration's policy on his website. he says he supports legal immigration and will complete a high tech fence to keep illegal immigrants out and opposes amnesty and also this comes as a new plan to secure the borders has been unveiled. the plan moves away from emphasizing the entire border identifies areas of greatest

risk as they call it and then devotes resources to those specific locations. last strategy required patrolling the 8,600 miles of the border that surrounds the united states. we want to bring in democratic congressman luis gutierrez. an outspoken advocate of immigration reform and a republican congressman from georgia supporting tough immigration reform. nice to see both of you, gentlemen. congressman, i'll start with you if i may this morning. you heard what ms. inclan who is regretting answering a question she ended by saying i really can't answer it but she basically said he is still deciding. is governor romney still deciding do you think or do you think he has a firm position on immigration? >> i think he has a very firm position and what i heard you say just a second ago in regard to a secure border, whether we're talking about drones, motion detector, drones,

infrared cameras, fencing that we need to secure that border first and foremost. you don't let the patient continue to hemorrhage. you stop the bleeding first. in regard to the issue of amnesty, the next president of the united states, mitt romney, is not going to tolerate any amnesty. i'm very much in favor of that. i think his position is solid. >> so what exactly is his position on what marco rubio has been presenting as his version of the dream act? >> well, of course i have not seen marco rubio's version. it's not a bill. it's certainly not law. i will look forward to hearing his proposal but this idea of a dream act started back in the mid '90s and i guess most prominent bill that was introduced in 2001 by dick durbin. luis g luis gutierrez will speak of

that. it hasn't passed the senate and the american people are generally opposed to it. >> i'm always worried, congressman gutierrez, when someone says my good friend because usually something will follow when you talk to elected officials that will be but. weigh in on what you think specifically on this version of the dream act that marco rubio would like to see become a bill and governor romney's support or lack of support he's been unclear of that. i want to talk to you about president obama and what's not been done on immigration that the president may have or should have or could have done in the first years in office. >> first it was regrettable that you have a brand new person out there doing outreach to the hispanic voting community of the united states that doesn't understand the record. that's a very clear record. it's not one that evolving. mitt romney said everyone should just self-deport. when he said it, it was like senator john mccain was scratching his head saying i don't think he really said that.

he said that he would veto the dream act in his current form. he said that he was against amnesty. i mean, best yet he said that the arizona law implementation of 1070 should be what we use and should be our motto across the country. he has a clear position. having said that, i think if there are republicans that are ready to come forward with proposals that stop deportation and allow people to integrate themselves as senator rubio has, we should give those proposals our consideration and our support if and when they make gains and progress on the immigration debate. >> talk to me about president obama and some of the things that he has talked about. here's a little bit about what ms. inclan -- sounded like she's novice in the position listening to her voice as she answered some of these questions. let's play a chunk where she talks about president obama.

>> he talked about uniting families and all he's done is deport more immigrants than any president in american history. >> assess for me president obama's record on immigration? >> number one we passed the dream act in the house of representatives. 216-198. only eight republicans of the 216 votes, 55 members of the senate voted for cloture. there were members who didn't vote for cloture. when the president attempted to pass the dream act, he got it done in the house of representatives and got 55 in the senate and the republicans simply stopped the movement forward. having said that, the president can take more actions and we are. i am going to be next week in charlotte, north carolina. we've got mr. sanchez who came here when he was 14 years old. two american citizen children. he's driving without a driver's

license. and now he's being ordered deported from the united states of america. the president said that he had a new policy of discretion where there are american children concerned and haven't committed a criminal offense and that he would prioritize drug dealers and gang members and rapists and murderers and people who present a threat to the united states and not people who have long standing roots in the community and american citizen children that need to be raised. >> let me ask a question. i want to talk about the new border policy. the emphasis not on the entire border but specific and problem areas if you will. is this a better policy or a worse policy? what do you think? >> this is a policy that doesn't even pass the laugh test. it's political posturing. it does nothing. the fact is the policy would put in place by the bush administration and i'll commend president obama for continuing the policy of utilizing

technology and completing the 700-mile fencing. apprehensions down from 1.6 million per year in 2001 to about 250,000 today. so the system is working and in regard to self-deportation, there was criticism there about governor romney in regard to that statement. that's working in georgia because we passed an arizona-type law, house bill 87, and so the 465,000 illegal immigrants in the state of georgia more by the way than arizona, they are leaving the state of georgia because we are enforcing the law. you enforce the law. you take away the job magnet by making companies abide by e-verify, this problem can solve itself. >> congressmen, nice to see you both. appreciate it. still ahead this morning on

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>> 11 years ago. >> i had been writing a lot of books to that point but i realized what did i do to play host to this disease? i did 21 years of series. bags and boxes and chemicals. >> have you been eating horribly? >> not understanding the importance of vegetables and it sounds too simple to be important but i asked a doctor out of houston in this book how do we not get cancer? he said we have cancer protective genetic switches that get turned off with diet and lifestyle. one gets turned off from toxicity and one from food that is sprayed with poison and one gets turned off from lack of sleep and one gets turned off from not managing stress and the last one gets turned off from imbalanced hormones. most people walk around with all

five cancer protective switches turned off and no wonder it's an epidemic. >> you say that this is the dalai lama man because he sacrifices his health in order to make money and then sacrifices money to recuperate his health and so anxious about future he doesn't enjoy the present result being he doesn't live in present or future and lives as if he'll never die and then he dies as if he's never really lived when he was asked about what surprised him about humanity. that frames sort of even all of your books. >> how many of the sages throughout the ages have said exactly the same thing in different words? i liken our bodies to a mcar. you would never wait until your car broke down before you took it to a mechanic and that's what we do to our bodies all the time. when i say cancer was a strange gift, i don't think of it as cancer survivor. i don't enjoy that term. it's something that i had that

woke me up and then i realized i have an opportunity that most people don't. i have visibility and fame and i used it to get to best and brightest doctors and doctors in this book blew my mind. >> it's a series of interviews that you have. one thing you don't cover in this book, we'll keep you through the commercial break, did you use the thigh master. did it work? it didn't help me much. i used it a lot. >> it all started because i bought a pair of shoes for $565 and i didn't know how to tell my husband i bought so much money on these shoes 20 years ago. i was in my dressing room in my underwear. i went out and said how do you like my new shoes. he said they're great. great legs. that's how we did the commercial. it built my house and then the house burnt down. >> i guess it works for some people. >> i fully understood what that

meant. >> of all my 23 books, this is most impactful. things about how to lengthen your mirrors and new way to treat prostate cancer that doesn't put men in the horrible situation they are in now and how to not get cancer. >> you are not a doctor but you interview a number of doctors and medical experts. >> i am you in my books. i'm a curious passionate person and i get to them by being suzanne somers. >> i'm really hot if she's me. if i'm suzanne somers that will work out nicely. so great to have you. thank you for joining us this morning. appreciate it. end point is up next with the panel. back in a moment. >> they are pastoral people. they have a few cow, goats,

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improving your health and stress is one of the issues. i'm a firm believer. if you cuss people out an a regular basis, you will not have stress. it will open the pores up and you will feel better. >> i disagree with you. i'm fairly confident suzanne somers did not say that. >> it's in the book. >> she can visualize her end point. i say when will your end point be? how old will you? she said 110 at least. >> unbelievable. >> i can't get my mind around late 90s. >> i don't want to lose my mind at that age. it really doesn't matter. >> we'll get to your end point on the other side of this break. back in a moment. r powerful all. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec®. love the air. [ sneezes ]

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