middle think. we know what the regime thinks, ma the demonstrators think. we don't know about the skard people in the middle who are afraid to talk to us who we can't reach who are watching their country torn apart. >> most of the people in these camps are sunni muslims who have had the blunt. you can hear the call to prayer right now. thank you for watching this "360." we'll see you again 10:00 p.m. eastern one hour from now again from this camp. thanks very much for watching. "piers morgan tonight" starts now. tonight the exclusive interview three years in the making. the one person who knew michael jackson better than anybody else. his mother katherine. >> every morning, all through the day i think about michael. >> katherine jackson speaks out on michael's childhood.

>> he looks back and said he was abused. they call it abuse. sometimes if it wasn't for the strap, what would the world be like today? >> did you ever hope he would find true love? >> i always thought about that, but michael seemed happy. he found a lot of joy in his children. >> and the talent michael hid from the world. >> he loved art a lot. he loved paintings. he loved water colors. he loved even crayons. >> and his explosive theory about conrad murray. >> he did a terrible thing. there might have been others involved. i don't know that but i feel that. >> an extraordinary hour. the piers morgan interview starts now. tonight an extraordinary look at michael jackson's private life through his artwork. the pictures are new revelations about the iconic singer. much kept in an airport hangar

in los angeles. some of it is in the studio with me. joining me now is his mother katherine jackson and his mentor livings ton. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> most of this has never been seen. i love this picture, which is -- how old is he there, michael? >> he's about nine or ten there. >> and he's clutching his own work of art. >> yes. >> i don't know what's more impressive the art or the hat he's wearing. very stylish. clearly from an early age he loved art. tell me about that side of michael. >> michael loved art a lot. he loved paintings, he loved water colors. he loved even the crayons. he would always draw. and when he was even in school, he would draw pictures and they took one of his drawings and put it on the front of the yearbook.

>> was he self-taught? did he teach himself? >> he taught himself. >> amazing talent. >> just the talent that he had. i can't say too much more about him, only his father was an artist too. he loved to paint and draw. so i thought maybe he might have picked it up from him. but he had a natural talent for it, michael did. >> did he always paint throughout his life? was he always painting secretly without people aware of it? >> yes. because when he was just a child, when we moved to havenhurst, it had a little house in the back. and he took that little house and made it into an art studio for himself. >> what do you think the art brought him? painting and stuff, what did it give him? >> you know what? i really don't -- i really can't answer that question. but sometimes when he's not doing anything he would start painting. it's a way of him just relaxing.

>> a bit of escape, is it? >> yes. >> brett, you got to know him 25 years ago. tell me how you met and about this art collection. >> we first met about 1979 through mayor bradley of los angeles. two different occasions. and the first time i had a chance to talk to michael, he says now, you're a sculptor. i said yes. i said i build monuments. he said wow, i never met a monument builder before. i knew who he was but i said what do you do? he said i love life. i'll always remember that. i said wow that's a great job. i love life too. and he says, i'm an artist too. and i like to draw things that inspire my life. >> and this collection, how many pieces are there in it? >> well, i have -- we have 98 pieces. other people have some.

and there's about -- maybe there's about 20 of these pieces i draw he did artwork on the other side. i made special paper so if anybody got it they couldn't counterfeit it. so he ran out of the paper. that's why he did artwork on the reverse side. >> some here, the martin luther king picture, abraham lincoln. he loved former presidents. >> he loved abraham lincoln. he loved freedom. he loved the whole aspect of people being free. being able to create beautiful things to inspire people like he wanted to create his music. >> he had a strange obsession with the number seven. and with chairs. now, tell me why those two things are in the pictures all the time. >> well, michael was a seventh

child. he -- his name had seven letters in it. he would always talk about that. and, you know, the number seven means completeness in the bible, it tells us. >> so it's like a lucky number for him. >> for him. >> and what about the chairs? why did he like drawing or painting chairs? >> he just had an obsession of chairs. not just a plain chair, but chairs that you see had a lot of art in it. a lot of curves, a lot of other things like that. he would draw that. >> there's one very prophetic picture which is of a little boy sitting on his own in a corner. just seeing it on the screen. what's poignant is michael had written on this before you judge me, try hard to love me. look within your heart. then ask have you seen my childhood. what do you think he meant by that, katherine? >> you know what? i couldn't tell you. but that is the picture.

i have one like that too. are they showing it on tv? >> yeah. we're looking at it now. it's very -- the boy looks, i guess -- >> he looks sad. you know, michael always said he missed most of his childhood. and he loved to run and play. he loved children. and i think this is what this picture stands for. >> i've interviewed a lot of people about michael. many of your family, your children i've interviewed janet, la toya, jermaine. all said the same thing. michael was such a happy child. he loved playing pranks on people, that kind of thing. do you ever feel a regret as his mother that he did lose the childhood, really, to super stardom? if you had the time again, would you want the kids, especially michael, to go into that crazy world? >> well, to a certain extent.

none of my children were really just loose. because my husband was sort of -- i should say very strict about things like that. where we came from, there was a lot of crime. and we cared about our children. we didn't want them out there on the street running around breaking in cars and doing like most other children did back then. we did things with them in the house. that's when they started singing. as far as having a good time and all, they were in the little league and things like that. then they learned to play the music. and michael always said he didn't have a childhood, but he enjoyed what he was doing. >> i think that's true, isn't it? you talked about his father's being tough with them. was he too tough or not, do you think? did he have to be that tough? >> i didn't think he was too tough, but back in those days everybody raised their children about the same. if you did something wrong, it was terribly wrong, you got a scolding for it and a licking as they called it. today you can't do that.

so michael looked back at those times and said he was abused. well, they call it abuse, but some time if it wasn't for the strap, what would this world be like today? >> do you think the world has gone a bit soft in terms of discipline? >> i think it's gone a bit too soft. i really do. and then they have too much things out for our children to do. and they're too open with a lot of things. things that were weren't open years ago about. i just feel bad because i know that the world is, i think it's doomed. the bible tells us the world will be destroyed. so i think -- >> when you look at modern america now, where do you think people are going wrong especially in bringing up

children? >> well, i think society is sometimes is the fault of it. because they tell the children to call 911 and in some cases, maybe they need to do that. but then some cases -- some parents are afraid of their children. and some children tell their parents if you do this to me, i'm going to call 911 or call the police or whatever children can. what are the parents to do? >> it's interesting. when i talk to your children, all of them have said at various stages of their lives, well, we had this tough upbringing. our father was very strict. they all as they got older and had their own kids they've begun to realize it was maybe the kind of tough love they needed. it's been interesting for me to talk to them. now they're a bit older. for you it must be an interesting experience to hear their views change as they get older.

>> children change. tito, he was one of them that say -- excuse me -- that said i'm going to raise my children just like -- they called their father joseph -- just like joseph raised me. because he always said my children don't get in trouble or anything like that. all these terrible things they laid on michael, he didn't do these things. but it's just there are wicked people out there. >> must have been very hurtful for you as his mother, some of the things michael was accused of, the court cases he had to fight and stuff. how did you feel as his mother? >> oh, my gosh. it almost destroyed me in a way. when i say it just hurt. because i know michael didn't do those terrible things. but then there are so many wicked people. why are they doing this to him? >> just hold that thought far moment, katherine. when we come back, i want to

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jackson's mother katherine and his friend brett livingstone strong. did you ever try to advise michael, his own behavior -- i interviewed him a few years ago, and he had a childlike quality to him. did you feel concern that he was allowing himself to get put into positions for this around. did you say you should be careful of this. the rest of the world may not see this in the innocent way that you do? >> i've talked to him about it. i never told him to stop having children around. but he did stop having -- most of the children around michael was his own relatives. and i can remember that my sister-in-law, she walked into the store and she saw this -- one of these tabloids. and they had something ugly to say in them in the headlines.

and she just went berserk. she said they're my grandchildren, they're michael's cousins. why are they saying this about him? >> do you think all the accusations, the trials he had to go through, do you think it all contributed in the end to his physical condition and his early death? do you think all the drugs he was taking for the anxiety, for the lack of sleep, the painkillers and so on. was it all connected, do you think, in the end to the pressure that he felt and the tension and the stress? >> i think a lot of that was exaggerated about the different things he was taking. because i've been to my son's house unannounced. and i've been there announced. i have never seen him in that way. i know he was taken painkillers because he got burnt on top of his head. very painful. all this other stuff they added to it, i don't know if that was the truth or not.

but i don't think that had anything to do with the way he died. >> what do you think, as his mother, caused his death? >> i don't know. all i know is they used propofol, and they shouldn't have used it. they were using the wrong setting. that's all i know and that's what caused his death. >> what are your feelings towards dr. conrad murray? do you blame him? >> you know what? i can't even describe the way i feel about him. he did a terrible thing, and it might have been others involved. i don't know that, but i feel that. you know what? i'd rather not answer that question. the only thing he did for a person's life, four years is not

enough. i'll never see my son again. but he can get out and he'll enjoy his children. >> michael trusted him. >> yes, he did. he did. he trusted him. >> he trusted a lot of people. >> he trusted everybody. >> did you ever meet conrad murray? >> never met him. still to this day i have never met him. >> has he ever tried to contact you? >> i don't think so. >> he's never written to you or anything? >> no. >> it is a devastatingly awful thing to happen. you lose this son of yours. he's just 50 years old. it's half a life, really. >> yes. >> will you ever get over this, do you think? >> never. every morning, all through the day, i think about michael. if i wake up through the night, my mind is there.

but -- >> what do you think when you think of him? >> i just miss him. but being a christian and believing in the resurrection, i feel that i'll see him again. i'm sorry. i just -- >> it's perfectly understandable. you're his mother. i can't imagine a worse thing. i'm a parent myself to four kids. i can't even imagine how horrendous it must be to lose a child. >> i know. >> it's so unnatural, isn't it? >> it is. and it should be -- >> lots of people say, katherine, that michael in the buildup to his death was working too hard, was too tired, he couldn't sleep, all that. you've heard all this. is that true? i've also heard from people who were working with him on the

tour and everything that he was pretty fit. that he was enjoying it. he was having a good time and he was excited. what's the truth? >> what's the -- excuse me? >> how did you think he was in the buildup to his death physically? >> you know, we have a trial going on and i'd rather not say. i talked a lot already about it. >> were you concerned about him? >> oh, yes. when he had 50 shows going on, i was concerned. i thought that was a little too much. michael hadn't been on stage in about ten years. i called him. and i told him because the way they had it structured, every other night he would be working. on a night, off a night, on a night, off a night. and he was used to working at least once or twice a week. and i just kept calling him telling him to change that schedule. that was -- i didn't like the way it was going.

i thought it was a little bit too much for him. >> did he listen to you? >> oh, yes. >> did you feel there were bad people around him? >> yes, i do. >> enabling, i guess is the word you would use. people who were allowing him to -- >> it was -- i just don't want to answer those questions right now. but i do feel that it was. they didn't care about him. all they cared about was money. >> you think it was all about money? >> yes. >> let's take a short break. when we come back, i want to talk more about this incredible art. i also want to talk about how michael's children are doing. you're raising them now. >> yes. >> i think people are fascinated by that and how they're getting along. they seem to be getting along great which is good news. >> they are. >> we'll come back in a moment. >> okay. when i look up into my students faces,

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and i just wanted to say i love him so much. >> the heart breaking scenes at michael jackson's memorial service there with paris jackson, his daughter. a moment many will never forget. i'm back with katherine jackson and his art mentor brett livingstone strong. incredibly painful for those poor kids, particularly in public like that. you've now taken them into your home. you're bringing up michael's children. >> yes. >> how are they getting along? >> they're getting along very well. >> they seem -- i mean, to be doing remarkably well. they also seem to have, between them, all his kind of zests for life. his talent, his confidence in public. all those things. it's extraordinary to watch. it must be for you too. it's almost reliving michael.

>> they're in school, and the two oldest children go to private school. the youngest doesn't want to leave home yet, so we have a tutor, a teacher there for him. excuse me. and the oldest, prince, the oldest boy is such a great student. >> is he? >> his grades are so good. they're a-pluses. >> do you see the spirit of michael in them? >> yes, i do. i do. >> paris has already started down this road. if they want to go into show business? >> yes, paris does. >> do you feel pleased about that or concerned? >> well, i'm pleased and i'm concerned at the same time. i don't think that michael would have wanted her to be out there this soon. but she wanted it so badly and she kept saying please grandma,

i want this. it was something she really wanted so i gave in and said okay. >> and how good is she? how talented? >> she's very good. i said how do you know you can act? you haven't acted. i sent her to acting. before that she said just try me, she said. and she said i can cry on cue. and she showed me how she can cry. and then -- >> amazing. that's not easy. >> she's very good. she is good. >> how do you think they have coped with losing their father? >> you know, i don't think that they act like normal children. they play, they have good time. i don't think they'll ever forget. i don't think so.

but they're doing quite well. very well. >> brett, come back to you and michael. you knew him extremely well. very heart rending talking to katherine about all of this stuff. can't get a more powerful voice, really. >> no. >> than michael's mother. does this resonate with you? i mean, what was your feeling about michael and the buildup to his death? were you concerned about him as a friend? >> well, his enthusiasm to succeed brought all the strength out in him. he just wanted to create more. he wanted to be in front of his fans again. and he was enthusiastic. >> were you concerned as a friend of his about what was possibly going on. >> during the time he was pretty much studying to do these concerts, i had very little contact with him.

so the contact i did have, it was upbeat and enthusiastic. he would call me early hours of the morning and leave me some fantastic messages. i never knew that he ever had any problems. but i do know that over the years that he would trust people and he would not do any due diligence or sometimes his inner feelings, he wouldn't listen to them. and i think he had a lot of trust that he should have questioned. >> you also said an interesting thing to me in the break about michael's relationship with his father. >> yes. he loved his father. and i think a lot of the publicity that's come out that his father, you know, may have been harsh on him, i think people should know that he respected his father. he thought his father was fantastic, that gave him and his

brothers and sisters a wonderful future. and he respected them. his father turned up at all those terrible trials that he had to go through. he was all supporting of him. he loved him. >> katherine, what would you like michael's legacy to be? >> i know he'll be remembered as the artist he was. but a lot of people misunderstood him. they didn't know michael loved life, he loved people. and he gave so much to charity. and he always loved to give to the people that didn't have. even since he was a little kid about six or seven years old. as i always tell the story about he was laying on the floor watching tv, and remember when the little black kids had flies around their mouths and all and he would start crying. and he was telling me, he said

mommy, one day i'm going to do something about this. >> you mean the scenes from ethiopia and places there with the starving young children? >> starving young children with the big bellies. and he's always been giving to charities and things like that. and he gave more than people knew. >> what do you think is the biggest misconception about michael for people who didn't know him? >> the things that were coming out, the things that media -- and most people believe what they hear and what they read. these were all terrible lies. >> like what? >> like they were saying he was molesting young boys and other things he was doing. that he might have been on painkillers, things like that. but as far as them trying to

make him out to be a terrible person, he was not that. >> let's take a quick break. we'll come back and talk about this is little further in just a few moments. [ male announcer ] away...

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there have been many disgusting statements made recently concerning allegations of improper conduct on my part. i ask all of you to wait and hear the truth before you label or condemn me. don't treat me like a criminal, because i am innocent. >> you're his mother. you would know michael better than most people. do you think it is even remotely possibly that he could have done anything inappropriate with a young boy? >> no way. no way could michael have done that. he would always tell me that the things he loved most was children. he would rather slit his own wrists than to hurt a child. and we would sit and talk about that. and he said people want to make out for me to be this terrible

person. >> he was misinterpreted by people who may have been jealous of his success. but also he loved animals, he loved nature, and children had a special feeling in his heart. it was an inspiration for him. >> michael, he was unven unconventional. he never really grew up even though he was a fantastic businessman and incredibly successful. you always got the feeling he wanted to be in a childlike world. it was like a security blanket for him in many ways. is that how you felt? >> you know, michael, he was one of my younger children. and his brothers had children. so he grew up also with them. he grew up playing all the time. he grew into an adult and he'd come over and still play hide and go seek with them and

everything. and he did neverland, he did it for children. and also i imagine he did it for himself because he didn't get a chance to go to those theme parks like other children did. and he would have bus loads of children, school classes, children that even in his theater he had two beds, two hospital beds and he would have the sick children to come and watch movies and rides and things like that. and the children that was bedridden, he made sure that he had a place for them. so they can see the movies or have shows on the stage and all of that. >> how did you feel about the extraordinary level of fame that michael had? because he was the most famous person on the planet for years. did that scare you, that level of fame? >> no, not really.

i was like michael. he didn't act like it. he didn't act like he was the most famous person in the world. he was just a down to earth person. he's very, very mild tempered. >> how often would you talk to him? >> i talked to him at least twice a month and sometimes more. >> did you feel you had a very close relationship? >> yes. >> do you feel he confided in you? >> yes, he did. >> did you ever hope that he would find true love? >> you know, i always thought about that, but michael seemed happy. so i wasn't too worried about it. he found a lot of joy in his children. and in his -- some of his

nephews and nieces that he was very close to. >> the thing that i think should always be reminded, i think, when we talk about michael is just his unbelievable talent. i mean, i have never seen a more talented entertainer. the singing, the dancing, the show manship. i was telling you before we started about this show in paris where he did the stunt in the end and the space guy flies out of the stadium. just so crazy and it was so brilliantly done. you really thought michael had done this. and it was the end of a spell binding concert. the like of which i have never seen before or since. he was one of the greatest talents ever in entertainment. can you answer that as he mother or not? did you feel that? >> i did. michael was a perfectionist. whatever the did, he wanted to be the best.

he was the first one to have so many number one hits on his album. because you remember albums used to be where you had one hit or two hits and the rest are album songs. >> all his were hits. >> he said i don't believe in album songs. i believe every song should be a great song. >> would he try stuff out for you? >> yes, he played most of the things he had, he played for me. >> if you said i don't really like that one, would he drop it? >> yes. you know what? i didn't see anything that i didn't want like that he did. >> what was your favorite of all his songs? >> "man in the mirror." >> was it? why? >> that's one of my favorites. and i like the "earth song." >> why "man in the mirror"? >> well, it was a song of greatness. had a great message. this was best of all. >> was michael happy in the end, do you think? >> i felt he was happy.

i could never -- and i always talked to the girl that was the kids' nanny, grace, she always said -- i always said is michael happy because they were accusing him of all these things, and she would say michael had good times. we had good times together. me and the kids and michael. we would play. michael liked to run and play on the beach or whatever. and she assured me that, you know -- >> despite everything, he managed to have a lot of happy times. >> uh-huh. >> that's good to hear, isn't it? >> it's good to hear. when you know you're not guilty of anything. if he thought he was guilty of these things they were accusing him, he could never smile again, i would imagine. and they put it in the papers and they had the trials. and this -- the first kid that accused him of child molestat n

molestation, because his father made him do it. he even told michael his father made him do it. i don't know if many people know, but after michael died, i think his name is jordan. >> jordan, yeah. >> he came out and he said that he wished he could have told michael before he passed, let him know that he had come into the public and admitted he never touched him. >> how did that make you feel? >> it made me feel good, but i knew it all the time that michael hadn't done anything. because i knew he wouldn't do that. >> coming up, michael's great wish was to build a memorial. i want to talk to both of you about that after the break. [ female announcer ] research suggests the health of our cells plays a key role

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i'm back now with michael jackson's mother katherine jackson and his friend brett livingstone strong. my youngest son was eight years old. and he suddenly began playing michael's music. over and over for weeks and months. he'd never heard of mnl before. it was amazing to me a whole new generation and it was the one positive i could see coming out of his awful death was that actually a whole new generation of kids fell in love with michael jackson again and played his music and realized how phenomenal he was. amazing thing. brett, let's talk about two things i want to wrap up with. one is what are you going to do

with this art? >> well, michael spent a good part of 25 years making this art. and it was like a private world for him. while a lot of the public thought he may have been doing things that they thought he shouldn't be doing, he was actually creating art. and it was like adoing, he was creating art. it was a world for him to treat into where he would express his ideas, and he absolutely loved it, and it made him feel good. >> people are going to hear about this, and see these amazing pictures? and they're going to want to know if they can get ahold them? >> well, michael always wanted to exhibit his art, unfortunately that didn't happen. he didden watt to sell it, and so a few pieces were sold before his passing, but since then we've been working together, planning what -- how to exhibit

them, and he did a long time ago, want to build a monument for where he wants his fans to get married. and we have a model of it here. >> it's amazing. it's based on the prince albert monument in london? >> we went all over the world -- he loved monuments, and he thought that was -- deeply into monuments, he wanted me to come along. he wrote on a card that he got that day and he said he wanted. we should try to work out a design together on that. we came up with this gothic, futuristic. >> his concept -- >> his statue. in 2002, this is years before, by 2002, he one of his lawyers write me a letter saying, can you put a sculpture of michael's

three beautiful children in there, michael wants that. he wanted me to have that, get that officially and so very that in writing saying, he wanted that, he wanted somewhere where his fans could go and in this structure he wanted his music? >> this is going to get built? >> yes because we can sell his art and build his -- even though it's a monument for where i wanted people to get married, it's a monument to his love of life. >> at the time he was thinking las vegas. after what happened to him in santa bash remark he wanted to live in las vegas. he found a house, he was calling it wonderland. he was calling it the success of this is it to -- >> he would like -- he wanted to -- he thought his fans would support his art and by the sale

of the art, he could support the children's hospital of los angeles. and we all went there and put some of michael's art in the hospital when it was opened and he was hoping to be there in 2007 or '08, after he came back from bahrain, he wanted to put some of his art there, they weren't finish with the hospital. when it did get finished, we went there with burt and mary sugarman. and i was hoping that they would permanently put michael's art in there, because it's a children's hospital. they welcomed his art with open arms. >> that would be great. >> he also wanted from the sale of his art to support not only children, but animals, and some of his music was in support of the world. he was a very warm person who -- like his dear mother here, very

sweet and honest person. >> it's been a fascinating experience meeting you, katherine and talking to you. you're one of those people i looked at from a distance and always wondered what you would be like, how you would talk about michael. it's been a riveting interview. i wasn't expecting this. i appreciate you being so honest and open. i think all of his fans will too. you've certainly given them an extraordinary insight into your son and what he was like. good luck with raising his kids. i can't they have a more valuable testimony i guess to his life than those kids, get the best chance in life to live up to him. >> thank you for having me here. >> it's been a real pleasure, thank you. very nice to meet you. >> thank you, nice meeting you also. >> nice to meet you too, brett. extraordinary interview, katherine jackson and brett livingston strong. coming up, only in america. >> this is a very interesting piece, because michael wrote

this quote about michelangelo. he loved michelangelo's work, and he often wrote these little notes. here he is quoting michelangelo. >> a rare look inside the private world of michael ja jackson. to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation and self-contained recycling systems... ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint and respecting wildlife. america's natural gas... domestic, abundant, clean energy to power our lives... that's smarter power today.

for tonight's only in america, the michael jackson we barely knew. most of his work is behind closed doors at a secret airport hanger. this is michael's pricht world of paintings and portraits. the location has to remain a secret, but its contents have now been revealed. this is how the icon found happiness away from the stage and studio. with brushes, pencils and watercolor. he wanted to be known as an artist not just the most famous entertainer in history. some estimates have valued the collection at a staggering $900 million. here a picture of the statue of liberty. a accept of frankenstein and