♪ she's got legs she knows how to use them ♪ >> she is she's got legs. are we talking about your legs, will cain? you'll want to stick around. it's going to be interesting. is that an appropriate adjective? interesting? >> at the very least. >> will cain, columnist, margaret hoover, worked at the bush white house and author of american individualism and mr. marc lamont hill. professor of columbia university and host of our world with black enterprise. shall we get going? let's. the frienenzy over the facebook ipo. today is the day we'll find out how much it will cost to get a piece of the social network when it goes public on the nasdaq tomorrow. it is expected to create 1,000 new millionaires.

really? and maybe a bunch of billionaires as well. what many people are asking is to buy or not to buy? that is the question today. ali velshi and christine romans have very, very different opinions on whether you should buy in or not. i'm curious. do you buy? i'm on facebook. love facebook. is this going to be apple or not? >> remember, apple went sideways for a long time and almost went out of business first, right? it's more like google maybe. google went up. >> both were game changers. >> that's right. >> this is going to be history one way or the other. the way i see it, this is the second transformation of the internet. the reason i say that, remember, brooke -- you're probably too young to remember. when we used to get all those disks for aol, they would mail them to you. you get them at the supermarket and you get this portal? the internet was about portals where you got weather, traffic, business, sports, all these things you didn't know where to get anywhere else. google, yahoo! but then google changed that into search. the internet became all about search. the paradigm has shifted.

the future of the internet is going to be about you choosing your friends and the people you like and subscribe to and they are going to inform you about the world around you. that is going to be more important than search. i put my name next to the reason that you should get into this is because it is transformation. >> i agree it's transformational, you guys. also, ipos are risky. the only reason anybody can't go to a lottery ticket counter and say i want to buy a ticket of facebook it's because this is an investment that is risky. we don't know what the track record, really, of this company. we'll learn a lot more about it. not just anybody can buy an ipo for that reason. you have to be a qualified successful investor to do that. there are a lot of big concerns about what this company will do. mobile, for example. a lot of people are alcohol'sing facebook via mobile. how are they going to make sales on ads? gm this week said they're not going to pay $10 billion a year anymore for -- there he goes. >> put you next to that one. >> people click on the ads all

the time? we're not really buying things. gm said people weren't clicking on the ads and buying cars. >> forget about facebook, general motors, dupont. only one reason to buy a stock. that is that for one day you will sell it for more than you paid for t the bottom line is that you have some guess, educated guess as to where facebook is going to go. many people say it will double or triple in the next few years, all you concern yourself is with is that stock going to be worth more than you paid for it? >> hang on. do we know how much it will cost to get in? >> $38 for an ipo. that's not going to us. insiders get it at that. if you jump in at $100 a share, other people are getting out who got it at 38. >> when can we jump in? >> 9:00 am tomorrow morning. >> you won't get 38 a share. >> i thiching it's totally a fad

this internet thing. >> apparently i was born after the internet started, so -- >> i'm going to have to, in my expert opinion, give round one to christine. ali, don't you have to -- >> ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. >> while you say this is transformati transformational, in the same way there were kids in dorm room that put myspace out of business, there's kids somewhere in a garage that -- >> you know what, will? it's possible. it's also possible i might grow hair some day. >> you're saying it's highly improbable? >> anybody who says this is -- will, you're a smart guy. this is not myspace. myspace was for angry, frustrated musicians to list their stuff. this is about contacting the rest of the world and storing your photographs. facebook is not myspace. >> i get how the format itself will not go out of style but why do we not think that there is something bigger and better -- >> 900 million people are wrong. >> they're basically making

money on our privacy. the company becomes public. you take a look at this as an investment in a month, three months or six months. you have to see what are shareholders going to demand from mark zuckerberg? he's still in charge of the game here. >> 900 million kids who like to post pictures. on christine's side, warren buffett is priced exactly right today. >> he has nothing to do with the rest of us at all. he has the luxury of saying i'm not getting involved in this stuff because he was born with more money than i'll ever v the rest of us have to find creative ways to make money. >> if i could get the stock at the ipo price -- >> but you can't. >> -- go for t but i can't. if you work for jp morgan or goldman sachs -- >> it's going to be valued at over $100 billion. what we know about the value of facebook is yet to be seen.

we don't know exactly, are they going to be an ad company, personal data company? we don't know how it's going to materialize. one quick tid bit, mark zuckerberg could be worth $18 billion once this ipo goes -- >> he just turned 28 on monday. >> 50 times more than bill gates was worth when microsoft went public. >> the story in the wall street journal was gm found facebook ads -- >> they're not selling cars on facebook. they pulled out. facebook says that's pocket change. >> you can be cool and a business. >> does it lose the luster? do you think facebook loses luster? >> putting out new technology, that was cool. >> speaking of apple, can i just out you? this is marc lamont hill's iphone, totally shattered. >> oh, my god. this is iphone number three for the year. i've decided -- >> you need cases. >> we're going to talk cases.

>> i may need an iphone case. i'm convinced now, after the third iphone. >> who am i to talk? anyhoo, christine romans, i know you've got some news for us. >> i do. i'm following a bunch of headlines for you, brooke. autopsy in mary kennedy is about to begin in three hours. she was found dead in her home in bedford, new york, yesterday. westchester county medical examiner is expected to announce a cause of death later today. she struggled very publicly after her husband announced he was filing for divorce in 2010. she was arrested twice for dui that year, once for alcohol, once for prescription drugs. she leaves behind four children. she was 52 years old. a second reported case of a woman being infected with a rare flesh-eating bacteria, lana kirkendale was diagnosed days after giving birth to twins earlier this month. it appears to be less severe than annie coplin, who continues

to fight for her life. she had her leg amputated and is expected to lose fingers due to her infection. former north carolina senator john edwards, the jury is expected to begin deliberations tomorrow. the defense rested yesterday, calling only seven of the 65 people on their witness list. edwards and his daughter, kate, were not called. neither was rielle hunter, edwards' former mistress. former presidential candidate could get 30 years behind bars for allegedly using millions of dollars to cover up an extra marital affair with hunter. a new study finds coffee drinkers are less likely to die from heart disease, stroke and diabetes than noncoffee drinkers are. the 14-year study found men who drank at least six cups a day had a 10% lower risk of death. for women, it was 15% lower.

researchers say it may not be the caffeine. people who drank decaf had similar health results, suggesting there's some other component in coffee, not the caffeine, that plays a role in protecting one's health. and the six cups of coffee a day got my attention, brooke. it makes me jitry thinking about it. >> cheers, friend. cheers. bring out the age-related material here. friar's club, perhaps she's drinking a lot of coffee, roasted betty white last night. she is used to slinging the insults. now her turn to be on the receiving end. cnn was there of course, on the red carpet. >> oh, my lord. we'll find out if betty has thick skin under all those wrinkles. she has a new movie coming out "weekend at betty's." she's our woman of the hour, which is also her life expectancy. her is written in sanscript. that's how old she is. >> first show i did with betty white was, i think "hollywood

squares" and i only got that because i had sex with her. >> is there one thing you haven't done that you want to do? >> i usually answer that question with robert redford. >> i mean, he is a handsome man. you know what i'm saying? 90 years young. >> so awesome. first of all, betty white jokes are always funny. they just are. there's something special about watching betty white becoming this reenergized figure. she was great in "golden girls." i was a fan. >> me, too. >> it was all like saturday night live coming back, so many people got behind her. it's crazy. >> it's edgy, funny. >> she can take the jokes, handle being on the receiving end and tossing them as well. >> one of the few things, marc lamont hill either lied about being a "golden girls" fan in the '80s or -- >> perhaps the greatest show ever made. >> you're a sensitive guy. >> handsome man, i've got a question for you. robert redford in his prime or

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fa couple of years ago. they're awesome. our entire commercial break, we have been talking about "golden girls." little preview for mr. marc later on. >> i feel like i'm being judged. >> you are. >> not at all. >> you are being respected. >> by you. not anyone else. >> hang tight. we're talking "golden girls" later. this is debt ceiling, debt debacle, whatever you want to call it. this is really deja vu. who could forget last year's showdown that led to the first-ever downgraded rating of standard and poors. it was the main issue at a meeting by the president of top leaders. he wanted to discuss his to-do list. tax breaks for companies who ship jobs overseas, making it easier for homeowners to refinance and investing in clean energy and helping veterans find employment. but all of that was overshadowed

by paying down the deficit. democratic congressman, chris van hollen, ranking member of the budget committee, good morning. >> good morning, brooke. >> dare i say it? i keep thinking, here we go again, pointing fingers back and forth. both parties guilty. are we really in for this fight again? >> i don't know why the speaker of the house wants to replay this movie. it did not have a good ending the last time around and probably won't have a good ending this time if he insists on drawing the lines in the sand. the president invited the speaker and others down to the white house to talk about ways we could help the economy, boost job growth. the speaker put this idea on the table again that will drag down the economy. he should not be threatening the credit worthiness of the united states. that is not a good thing for the leader of the house of representatives to be doing. >> i know you say you don't want a repeat of the same movie here. someone, very prominent someone within your own party is saying something has to get done.

that being president bill clinton. here is what he just said. >> interest rates will go up so fast, you won't be able to catch your breath and everybody will say, why didn't we do this earlier? we should have a considered plan now. >> what's the plan now? >> there's no doubt that we need a plan. in fact, the president's put a plan on the table, which takes the framework of bipartisan groups, which president clinton praised during that speech. simpson bowles said let's reduce our deficit with two tracks. one, make some tough cuts. we already made a trillion dollars in cuts last year. we need to do more of that. we need to cut some of these special interest tax breaks. you have 98% of our republican colleagues in the house that have signed this pledge, saying that not one penny can go to deficit reduction by closing these loop holes. we should be focused on solving that problem, not laying down the threats that the speaker put

out the other day. that's counterproductive. >> simpson bowles plan, we were talking about that two januarys ago. you have the house speaker, john boehner. you mentioned him. he's saying any increase in the debt ceiling has to come with spending cuts of greater value and saying no to tax increases. when the time comes, i will again insist on my simple principle of cuts and reforms greater than the debt limit increase. this is the only avenue i see, continues to force the elected leadership of this country to solve our structural fiscal imbalance. how do you compromise on this one? >> you have to compromise. and what the speaker has said is that he's not going to compromise. he refuses to even look at the idea of closing some of these special interest loopholes. we've said yes, you've got to make some cuts or reforms. you also need to reduce the deficits by asking folks at the very top to pay more. i should also point out that the house republican budget, the

budget that the speaker supports would require that we increase the debt ceiling by $5.2 trillion over the next two years. his own budget violates the very rule he laid out there, which is why we should put all of that nonsense aside and focus on the real issue, which is what you said, which is to find a way to reduce the deficit. there's no argument about the need to do that. the argument is over how to do that. you shouldn't be saying that the united states is not going to pay its bills and debts until we get it done the way we republicans want it. >> i think we have a but coming on here. will cain, jump in. >> i'm glad he brought up budgets. i understand you serve in the house of representatives. can you explain to me why it is that the senate democrats have gone three years without passing a budget? what is the legitimate reason for waiting three years and never fulfilling that duty? >> number one, the president

submitted a budget, house democrats have a budget and what we enacted in the senate is very much a part of this it's now a law, the budget control act. it does, in fact, create these caps. one of those caps is the sequester that will take effect next year. >> are you saying you're doing that in lieu of passing a budget? >> the budget doesn't enforce of law. >> so they're not important? >> no, i didn't say they're not important. i said for right now we have in place for two years the budget control act. and, in fact, one of the problems we're having is that our republican colleagues in the house have already violated the terms in the budget control alcohol. that is the governing document signed by the president. it's more than just a resolution and does put on these budget caps. and that is something that we need to get done this year. >> i see margaret. go ahead. go ahead. >> congressman van hollen, there

doesn't seem to be a sense of urgency to confront the entitlements, mandatory spending that will eat way at the budget. by 2020, interest on the debts will be bigger than discretionary spending. it seems only the republicans are trying to put forget plans that are scored to actually confront the spending problems into the future. where is the urgency on behalf of democrats to confront mandatory spending problems? >> in fact, just last week in the house, the democrats put forward an alternative plan to the republicans on deficit reduction, including cuts. we eliminated a lot of direct payments to businesses. these are payments that are just unjustifiable. we have put on the table proposals to modernize incentive payments within medicare instead of continuing on a fee for service basis, which runs up the bills. we proposed to change the

incentives to reward the value of care rather than the volume of care. we expect significant savings to be achieved overtime. we do not believe we should simply transfer all the costs and risks on to seniors on medicare, which is what the republican voucher plan does. they give you a voucher that declines in value over time compared to health care costs. we don't think we should offload all those costs to seniors. we think we should reduce the costs to the system. but we already started to move toward things like the accountable care and other payment methods that do it without putting seniors on the hook. >> congressman chris van hollen, we appreciate it. >> we want to remind our viewers, coming up next hour, texas congressman jeb hensarling has the counter view to this debate. everyone has been thumbing through, including a shocking new claim about john travolta's relationship with one of his

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welcome back to "starting point" on this thursday. checking out the papers. we've been talking about this throughout the break. why don't you begin? you've been all excited about this. >> i've been told i'm too heavy, brooke. i've been focusing on the collapse of the euro. >> why not turn it around the other way and talk about john travolta? >> a fourth accuser coming out against john travolta, another

ma masseur, great kisser. that is not the most salacious thing i have to tell you. former co-star in "grease." >> you have trouble in greece. >> this story is about "grease." >> couldn't resist. >> jeff conway, who plays kinekki in a failed attempt to take his life, john travolta had woken him up in his bed giving him unsolicited oral sex. >> and the travolta camp is saying -- >> i have no comment from the travolta camp. >> come on. due diligence, cain. >> is this really light? >> right. >> light is skechers. if you walk around in them, they're your full workout routine. they've had to settle $40

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welcome back. half past the hour on this thursday morning. christine romans, what do you have? >> a wildfire that's doubled in size and only miles from millions of homes. gladiator fire in arizona still burning out of control, devouring 9 square miles and it's only 5% contained. three homes have been destroyed. fire officials warn that several more homes could burn in the next few days. a "new york times" investigation reveals missteps by sanford, florida, police in their initial investigation of the trayvon martin shooting. they took one foet off zimmerman's injuries.

zimmerman's vehicle wasn't secure as part of the crime scene. they didn't protect the crime scene and critical blood evidence may have been washed away by rain. zimmerman wasn't tested for drug or alcohol use either. the teen's family alleges their son was profiled by zimmerman and the shooting was racially motivated. john lennon's killer has been moved to another prison. officials are not saying why. mark david chapman is now at a facility in erie county, new york, after spending 30 years in atica. chapman is serving a 20-year life sentence for second-degree murder. his next parole hearing is scheduled for august. researchers believe they may have come up with an early warning indicator for autism. babies with developmental delays in their head and neck muscle control may be at an increased

risk for autism. researchers say the findings are still preliminary and shouldn't be used to diagnosis autism. the number of minority babies born in this country now outnumbers caucasian births, according to the census bureau, involving black, asian and hispanic babies make up 50.4% of births. the federal government paid at least $439 million in employee bonuses last year. the investigation by the asbury park press found the largest bonuses went to senior executives and air traffic controllers. the highest award was given to 16 workers in agriculture to nasa. >> christine, thank you. hot button political debate after virginia's republican controlled house voted to block

the nomination of a gay prosecutor earlier this week. tracy thorn's past, they argue, would try to -- former navy pilot, disclosed his sexuality on tv about 20 years ago in an effort to fight the military's ban on homosexuals, then sued the military for violating his right to free speech with don't ask, don't tell. one of the lawmakers that led the charge against him is republican delegate marshall. good morning. >> brooke, hi. >> the vote in the wee hours of the morning, 31-33, voting against. you were one of the nays. why vote against him? >> he displayed a pattern of behavior that was inconsistent with what we have come to expect in virginia judges. we never appoint -- i've been there 21 years. we've never appointed an activist of any kind along these lines, much less somebody who has a long history of this. for example, he had to misstate

his background in order to be received into the military in the late 1980s. there was a specific question. are you a homosexual? he had to say no. he took an oath of office, which he had to defy. there were regulations he defied in going on television, superior orders of officers, uniform code of military justice in 2004, he made a blanket statement in a magazine, commonwealth of virginia being overtly hostile to homosexuals. >> it's been repealed. we know blacks used to have to sit in the back of the bus. they don't have to anymore. women used to not be able to vote. now they can. times have changed. do you think he should be given a chance? >> dr. martin luther king and rosa parks never took an oath of office they broke. sodomy is not a civil rights movement. you have to look at the past. in late 2011, he was critical of

the don't ask, don't tell. he criticized our attorney general simply for explaining what the law of virginia is with respect to certain protected classes. so, he has gone beyond that. he can be a prosecutor, if he wants to. we don't want advocates as judges. >> you bring up sodomy. is the reason why you voted against him because he's gay, pure and simple? >> no. sorry, you're mischaracterizing that. i said sodomy is not a civil right and there's an effort by homosexual lobbyists to equate the two. that's wrong. it's a pattern of behavior. when you can blanketly condemn the common wealth of virginia, i think you're setting yourself up to be outside the realm of consideration. >> actually, sir, margaret hoover here. i wanted to mention -- i'm sure you're familiar with the case that was reviewed by the supreme court, texas v. lawrence where actually sodomy laws were overruled. to say sodomy is not a civil right is absurd.

it seems to me an argument. in terms of his activism and the political -- pattern of behavior, all you can point to are things that relate to his sexuality. can you point to any other set of activities that relate to advocacy that you are worried about with this individual becoming a judge in virginia? >> an oath of office -- when you take an oath to obey your superiors to abide by the regulations of the military, to accept the code of military justice, there are homosexuals and heterosexuals who obeyed that. i commend them all by doing that. when you decide to step outside that -- he received training that cost the taxpayers $1 million. he basically threw that away and did not fulfill his six-year contract because he decided to come out in 1992. >> mr. marshall, let me point this out. from what i understand, this

would have been misdemeanor court. one of your own republican colleagues in the house sponsoring his nomination, sponsoring the nomination said this, quote, it is without question that thorn begland is qualified, the type of issues, social issues that would touch upon someone's constitutional interpretation do not even come up in district court. still, you feel that he would be unqualified to sit on that bench? >> not just myself. speaker of the house said he thought he would be unqualified in an e-mail to a friend of mine. he made statements, he made actions that are just incompatible. and, again, this is subject to a vote. we don't accept everybody who is nominated. moreover, he would preside -- you could preside as a district judge for a marriage of two guys if he wanted to, in violation of the law. remember, a single judge in california who was in a same-sex relationship who invalidated 7 million voters out there. moreover, if you have a bar room

fight between a homosexual and heterosexual, i'm concerned about possible bias. >> what about a judge recusing himself or herself if he or she feels he cannot take on a case because of bias? >> elena kagan said she would recuse herself and did not in this obama health care case. the public has to be certain that they will receive impartial justice. it's not just my view. >> why would a gay person be more likely to be biased in the bar room example than you would? to be quite frank, i would be more concerned you would be biased against the gay or lesbian person. why are we putting that on a gay person as opposed to a straight person? >> i wouldn't apply to be a judge. i am an advocate. >> you are writing laws. >> that's my job. when i was in public school, we all went through a ritual, you

made find it strange, that said keep us from temptation. that's because we said the lord's prayer. nobody should go where they should be tempted. that includes me, you, a prospective judge. >> the governor of your own state believes candidates for judicial vacancies should be considered based solely on their merit, record, aptitude and skill and no other factors should ever be considered, and the governor has long made clear that discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is not acceptable in state government. >> we probably have appointed gay officials in the past. >> an out gay judge. >> reporter: i haven't faced that in 20 years. if you say you're married and the constitution says you can't be married, that's a conflict between your oath of office and the supreme law of the state of virginia, as approved by the voters of virginia. >> got to leave it there. delegate robert marshall, republican, virginia. >> thank you. ahead here on "starting

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>> what do you think works best with my face? because this has not been going well for me. >> a hood or big sunglasses. look at that. >> maybe just a trim. >> jason bateman doesn't need to cover his face. that is a clip from "mansome," the new documentary all about male grooming. market resevearcresearch, one in now use some sort of facial skin care product like face wash, moisturizer. maybe you're listening to us from the bathroom, moisturizing your own face. department stores sold $84.7 million worth of male skin care.

morgan spurlock knows something about this. you're an expert. rocking the mustache. >> i am like the working man-icorn. >> altman words we can come up with. so how did you -- is this something that sort is -- i don't know, subculture, that guys aren't talking about how they're shaving, moisturizing? >> a great line in the film, one of our experts says guys should go out looking like $100 million but not look like they took time to get there. >> this scruff took hours. >> four hours. >> that is work. >> i'm glad we have your expertise. this is exactly right. men don't talk about -- >> we have a before and after. >> look at this. >> go back to the graphic. i haven't seen this. >> so much better with the scruff. >> the internal debate, morgan, we've had. on the beard, the neckline, do you go with a bright line or

fade it out or do you embrace the neck? >> you have to cut it off. otherwise, suddenly -- otherwise you start to have that hair sweater that goes down into your neck. >> it mernlges. >> which brings us to the next point. what about chest hair? mansome has to be about hair. >> my grooming stops here. nothing happens below my neckline. there's enough hair to make me feel like a man. i'm not like robin williams, like a gorilla. >> when does it come back? we're deep in the mark wahlberg look. >> when is it going to be great for men to still have hair on their chest again, tom selleck. >> that's too much. >> throw up the picture. throw the picture up as we're going through your twit picks last night. there's this great picture of you, getting clean shave for your premiere of "mansome." >> a proper straight-edge shave at the art shaving in los angeles. >> here we go. you have to turn your head. >> a little bit for that. if you look at it on this angle,

it's really nice. no, it's like there's nothing quite like getting put in a chair and someone giving you a straight razor shave. >> is that me time, morgan? >> that's me time. or like the godfather. >> the unsaid thing. we do this all for you. we do this because we feel like -- >> oh, whatever. >> what we need is the -- >> whatever. >> there was a time when men could be like sloppy and manly and it was fine. now there's like this image of men, the brad pitt, george clooney, the idea of male perfection that men now have to live up to, which women have had to live up to for years. >> a man who spent time on himself -- uh-uh. >> apricot scrub on his face. >> 20 minutes. get it out. another clip. let's roll it. >> more guys have begun to groom. and women have a mixed reaction. there's some types of grooming that they're okay with. and even want.

and there's some where it crosses a line. >> like i was saying, crosses a line. >> right here. right there. >> part of the women's beyond this notion of perfect. that they had to be perfect all the time. i'm not sure this is a good idea for men to be obsessing over what is perfect. isn't it about being comfortable and attractive but not obsessively so. >> the whole problem is media. it's television. it's magazines like magazine covers now which are now targeting men the same way they targeted women forever. >> this is you just want to look good. >> i want to look good. it takes a lot of work. >> what would we be talking about right now? >> right now there's got to be something less important than manscaping in the world. >> still ahead this morning on "starting point," george lucas strikes back.

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>> i'm a little creeped out by flashing lights in the studio. could is it be a ufo almost crashing over denver? corporate jet pilot says he almost crashed into a large remote controlled aircraft some 8,000 feet in the sky earlier this week. strangely the object did not show up on any radar and radio transmissions did capture this conversation. this is between the cockpit and air traffic control. >> remote controlled aircraft or what, something went by the other way about 20 to 30 seconds ago and it was like a large remote controlled aircraft. >> so the faa trying to figure out what the heck that was.

was it an unidentified aircraft possibly? earlier this morning former faa official steven wallace said he doesn't think it was a drone. >> they are up there. they are very, very carefully controlled. i would be surprised if in the approach control airspace into denver there was a drone. i understand there are ten-foot wing span pelicans in that area at that altitude. i'm not dismissing what the pilot said and faa isn't either. i would be surprised if at the end of the day it turns out to be a remotely piloted aircraft. >> so it's obviously very serious. this could have been catastrophic. you are laughing because you're from denver. >> i've never seen a ten-foot wing span pelican flying over denver. what i will tell you, the north america aerospace defense command is in just south of denver in colorado springs. you also have air force academy just south of denver north of colorado springs. there are all sorts of military

stuff going on. >> you poured cold water on ufos. >> ufo lobby has been doing this for years. covering the truth. the truth is -- >> do you believe in aliens? is this where that conversation is going? >> undocumented. >> civilian drones to private business drones and obama administration asked guidelines for how to handle drones. is it a drone? seems likely. possible. >> we have sully coming up. sully sullenberger. he knows about birds landing in the hudson river. coming up, we'll talk on "starting point." ipo. depends on whether the price for a piece of facebook perhaps is right for you. also, family tragedy strikes the kennedy family once again. another sudden death. what happened to rfk, jr.'s

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welcome back. how this talk about facebook ipo creating a thousand new millionaires. perhaps you could be one. perhaps. we're go to find out how much it will cost you to own a piece of the social network and whether you want in or not. is george lucas getting back at his neighbors? he piloted the miracle on the hudson and became a national hero. he's captain chelsey "sully" sullenberger and will join us live at the table with a message for washington. it's thursday, may 17th. good morning to you. "starting point" begins right now. ♪

>> you can always tell whose pick it is bepending on who is doing this. it's margaret hoover. good morning. it's a good choice. >> can i say thank you? it's nice to have someone who plays music. how much banjo can you take in a given day? >> this is mark lamont hill. host of "our world" with black enterprise. author of american individualism. columnist at blaze.com. extra special sauce this morning. mr. velshi. >> chief man scape correspondent. >> we had a conversation and we're not going to go there because it's too early. we will talk facebook because there's this whole frenzy, should you get in or not? we'll talk about how much it will cost to get a piece of it

tomorrow. the question is should you buy in? ali velshi we were talking last hour. christine says no. you say yes. >> i only say yes if christine is there to say no. >> you are such a married couple. you are so contrarian. i will say three things. billionaires and millionaires are people who own the stock. they got in early, early stage investors or company people with options. if you don't get in on the ipo price, you're not getting in. about 38 bucks tomorrow. they'll price it later on today. you're not getting in on that. the question is you can get in at 50 to 90 bucks probably. that's my guess. and then you have to decide. is this thing going to be worth more than whatever you paid for it tomorrow. will it be worth more than that in a year or two or three. that's the same decision you should make about any stock you buy. here's what you don't do. don't back up the truck. don't say i'll buy one stock and never bought stock before and

make it all about facebook. i do think this is momentous. this is a time in history. >> we keep saying historic. >> i don't see it. >> how do you evaluate this company? you do that by revenue, earnings, can you do that with facebook? can you look at the balance sheet and cash flow statement like you would apple and see what it's worth? >> it was about momentum and growth. sometimes this works. it would have been hard to make sense of apple back in the early day. why did i need something to carry music around? it would have been hard to make sense of that. hard to understand with aol and netscape why we needed google. yahoo! search for anything you want. why did google become that important. sometimes there's just a paradigm shift. >> you say for those who don't own stock, don't go all in. >> don't buy stock because someone told you to or because some guy on tv did. you buy a stock if you believe that stock is going to be sold for more than you paid for it. that's it. buying the stock for sentimental

reasons, it is a game. >> i see how short-term this makes sense. long-term, can this thing have legs? there are serious questions about ad revenue with facebook and whether that model will work. >> mobile growth is working. this is what everyone does their stuff on and facebook hasn't met the challenge of successful advertising on mobile devices. they have to come up with a solution for that. why bet against mark zuckerberg? eight years out of college created the biggest phenomenon ever. that's impressive. that does not mean that you should buy the stock. it just means you should not follow the hype one way or another, never get involved in an ipo because you're going to lose or i have to buy because everyone is. you can pay 40 bucks and buy a stock certificate and frame it in your room and not get involved with being a stock trader. >> all right. maybe you have one of those framed in your office. we don't know.

>> another segment. >> you say yes. christine says no. what else do you have? >> an autopsy is scheduled to begin on mary kennedy in about an hour. the estranged wife of robert f. kennedy, jr., was found dead in her home yesterday. the westchester county medical examiner expects to announce a cause of death later today. mary kennedy struggled publicly after her husband announced he was filing for divorce in 2010. she was arrested twice for dui that year. her family released a statement saying "we deeply regret the death of our beloved sister, mary, whose spirit will be missed by those who loved her. our heart goes out to her children who she loved without reservation." mary kennedy leaves behind four children. she was 52 years old. the fbi says one man is responsible for mailing more than 380 letters laced with white powder. the mysterious letters have been sent to addresses in 48 states. tests show the powder is not dangerous but officials believe the mystery mailer, who they

think is from north texas, is now targeting day care centers and schools. the fbi is offering up to $150,000 for information that leads to an arrest. president obama's re-election campaign raking in $43.6 million in donations last month that's down $10 million from march. the obama camp picked up $15 million last week at a fund-raiser at actor george clooney's house. mitt romney nearly matching the president in april. taking in 40 hadn't $1 million. he has $61 million in the campaign coffers. endorse 877-tell-hln three from herman cain. the former godfather's pizza ceo is backing mitt romney. he says it's simple. romney gets it right on big issues and president obama gets it wrong on all of them. previously cain endorsed people and then newt gingrich. scary moment on the diamond in tampa last night. ray's second baseman was hit by a pitch in the right elbow. he went to first base and

gestured he wanteded to leave the game. took a couple steps and collapsed. trainers look at him in the dugout. he didn't go to the hospital. that's something. there you go. >> yesterday the ref getting hit. today him. it's scary business there out on the baseball field. christine romans, thank you. let's talk about the battle here. the battle over raising the debt ceiling in america. it's in full swing again this morning. it comes a year after bitter showdown led the government to brink of government shutdown last summer and it cost the u.s. its first ever credit downgrade by standard & poor's no longer aaa still. yesterday the white house president obama met with senate and house leaders and much of the meeting focused on this next debt ceiling increase and already we're hearing the same points being made by both parties. >> when the time comes, i will again insist. my simple principle of cuts and reforms greater than the debt limit increase. >> it's simply not acceptable to

hold the american and global economy hostage to one party's political ideology. >> joining me now is republican congressman from texas chairman of the house republican conference and vice chairman of the financial services committee. congressman, good morning. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> kicking the can down the road, playing chicken, holding the american economy hostage, are we really going to go through this again? >> here's what i know. the american people know at some point you got to quit spending money you don't have. we have a legitimate debt crisis. under the president this nation is racked up more debt in three years. we have trillion dollar deficits. it's unsustainable and i think the american people think it's immoral to be borrowing 40 cents on the dollar mostly from chinese and sending the bill to

our children and grandchildren. it's a threat for national security and economic opportunity and clearly our children's future and so the speaker says we're not going to do business as usual in washington. we applauded his leadership for the first time when we said the debt ceiling is not something to be reformed. it's an opportunity to put reforms in place to live within our means. that's what american people expect. they don't want business as usual and that's what we're hearing out of the white house. >> it sounds like both parties are standing their ground. one side says spending cuts. one says no increase in revenues. when you look at the temporary compromise reached last year, look at the approval here. a poll taken last august after the house passed the deal, 68% of people disapproved of how specifically republican leaders in congress handled that

debacle. a big number. 68%. we're in an election year. how afraid are you that could hurt your party come november? >> let me give you two other big numbers. $5 trillion of debt that the president added to national debt. 11 trillion more of debt he plans to add on. when people look at your network and other networks and see what's going on in greece, i think they are waking up to the fact that if we don't get our fiscal house in order, what we're seeing overseas, we may see here. despite what yesterday's polling data may show, the american people want us to live within our means. republicans have put forward a budget that will grow government each and every year but makes sure the family budget doesn't go broke. we want small business people to be able to grow their businesses

and they're not going to do it when the president is threatening the single largest tax increase in american history much of it to small businesses. >> i want to bring in another voice. >> this is will cain. i agree with a lot of what you have to say especially on the goals. we need to get spending cuts in order and we can't have business as usual. where i must take you to task is on the tool. this concept of holding the debt ceiling hostage. as you talk about the fragile debt market in europe and around the world, how does it make sense for the united states to put our full faith and credit and our promise to pay our own debts that we've already committed to on the line to get what does amount to a good goal in the end cutting spending? i just don't understand how this is justifiable tool. >> if you look at the cash flow, there's more than enough cash flow to ensure that our sovereign debt is paid. that's not the issue. what is the issue is are we going to do business as usual. otherwise why do we have a de

ceiling? why not ignore it. our credit rating is threatened by borrowing 40 cents on the dollar much of it to chinese sending the bill to our children and grandchildren. we should embrace this as an opportunity to do what every family and small business in america does and that is put our fiscal house in order. >> it threatens the debt -- >> that's a complete red herring. you know it. it's a red herring. the only way that our sovereign debt would be compromised is if the president and treasury chose not to pay it. >> don't you think the debt market looked at what we did over the summer and said i'm not sure of the united states all of a sudden. don't you think we sent jitters throughout the debt market? >> the real jitters come from the fact that again we have racked up more debt in three years than in the previous 200. it's unsustainable. we have to do something about it. we have to do something about it today. you know, the threat in our credit rating doesn't come from

a debate over a debt ceiling vote. it comes from the fact that we are spending money we don't have. we're doing it in an historic rate that by historic standards again shows that countries will be compromised. if you look at the history of economies over the last 200 years when their debt exceeds 90% of gdp, they start to decline. that's where we are in america today. >> let me jump in. >> we need to move and move today. >> i think part of what will's concern is that it seems to me there is a commitment to compromising our economic well-being partly for political show. theater. what we saw yesterday was another example of that. senate colleagues spent all day making fake budgets and voting them down for the purpose of being able to attack the president. at what point do we stop with the political show and develop an actual budget. >> you talk about political showmanship. the president's budget got zero votes in the senate.

now the democrats control the senate. you need to talk to them about political showmanship. we're trying to solve a problem here and congress being able to compromise and compromise on policies as member of the super committee even though it's against my principles and policies, i was willing to put tax increases on the table. something democrats demanded. and we republicans unified around the plan. the democrats never put a plan on the table. they said nothing short of a trillion dollar tax increase and refused to engage in any kind of meaningful entitlement reform. that's really documented. i think you know it. >> i think there's a fair critique of democrats. democrats shot down the plan not because they disagreed with the president's principle but technical reasons the numbers were wrong. it's disingenuous to suggest -- >> you may believe that. i don't think the american people do. >> it's the truth. democrats themselves said that. there's a bigger question here which i'm not sure you answered respectfully and at what point do we produce something tangible

for us to vote on? that's a bipartisan question quite frankly. >> again, i think the house republican budget does it. we actually balanced the budget. we put america on a sustainable fiscal path and we continue to grow government by prioritizing and living within our means. we get a tax code that's fair, flatter, simpler, more competitive to create economic growth and so i think we've done it. what we haven't seen as you well know democrats in the senate haven't passed a budget in the last three years. i mean apparently they don't want a speed bump on the road to national bankruptcy. we've done our part. we're looking for a partner. >> i think i would agree that no matter what side of the line you're on, americans want solutions and perhaps it will need to happen this year. congressman, i appreciate it. republican of texas. appreciate it, sir. still ahead this morning on "starting point," a guy facing charges for shooting another man but he says he was only being a good friend. the guy wanted to know what it

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the "star wars" creator's plan to build a movie studio on his property in marin, california. some neighbors have been speaking out against the plan. lucas' company says we love working an living in marin but the residents of lucas valley have fought for this project for 25 years and enough is enough." let's talk to both sides here. carolyn leonard is chair of the north san rafael coalition of residents and one of george lucas' neighbors and we have tom forrester joining us this morning, director of community relations for lucas film. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. thank you for this opportunity. >> sure thing. carolyn, let me give you the floor first here. specifically what is your issue with this whole studio idea? why don't you like it? >> this is a great story. it's not a story of david versus

goliath. in fact, it's more like the latest luke yag ficas film. this neighborhood is only asking for that. never opposed the project. never been bitter. never been angry. >> are you telling me you said you oppose the process. how is it you oppose the process versus oppose the project. you are in opposition to the studio, yes? >> no. on the contrary. we believe that a private property owner has every right to do whatever he can with the property under the law. and this project started in 1996 with the original entitlements and they were scheduled to be a third office building and instead in 2011 right before the entitlements expired it became a production studio operating 24/7. this is not what was originally

approved. neighbors have questions that never got answered. >> tom i see your grin from ear to ear. you hear carolyn talking. why are you laughing? you have said this is a lose-lose. >> it's the same thing we've heard for years on this. we actually started this project in the late '80s and had an initial version that we submitted and withdraw in the early '90s and resubmitted and got approve in 1996 to do our master plan. we built over half of that master plan and put thousands of acres into agriculture preserve and open space, opened an 11-mile public hiking trail, put half a million toward traffic improvements and it was always to be a digital production studio. >> how many jobs would the studio have created, tom? >> the studio was master planned for up to 340 regular employees.

there is a trickle down effect with any business where you also have a multiplier in the community with food providers and other services so we did commission an economic study by the marin economic forum and they found that it would create over 600 good jobs out in the community over time. >> so 600 good jobs -- >> beyond the initial construction. >> let me go back to carolyn. has george lucas been a good neighbor? >> absolutely. without question. however, this project is not another big rock. it's zoned industrial and it contains at least eight or nine elements that were never studied in the past and they were newly proposed in october. the applicant took the risk of running parallel but separate processes with state and federal regulators versus the county lead agency. this is the document from the

state delivered on december 8th that said this is not a go. this is an experimental stream restoration that cannot be permitted as designed and we were told on february 8th if we cannot put 68,000 cubic yards of dirt into the creek, that's 15,000 truck loads and the project can't go forward. we were told this project was not for lucas affiliates. this is for a lease out according to the lucas representative on february 8th. >> sounds like the studio may not be happening. now you are looking into putting 2,400 low-income housing apartments on this particular property. my final question really to you is, tom, the question to you is this a matter of studio didn't work so we'll throw low-income housing in or is this frustrated, guess what beautiful marin county, we're throwing low-income housing in. >> we do not object to that.

>> we have withdrawn our application and will not be proceeding with the studio. we do plan to sell the land and we're currently talking with the marin community foundation about affordable housing. we think that's a great outcome that could be salvaged from this because marin is badly in need of affordable housing. 60% of the workforce can't afford to live in the county so we would be proud of that. >> the neighborhood has no objections to this proposal. >> there's the solution. 25 years and it's over. carolyn leonard and tom lawrence, we thank you both. hope you can come to a conclusion. still ahead this morning on "starting point," talk about friendly fire. a man asks his buddy to shoot him because he wants to see, you know, how does it feel to get shot. i'm not making this up. this is our get real. it's next. would you take it?

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got some news into us at cnn. weekly jobless numbers are out. christine romans, talk to me about them. >> weekly jobless claims, 370,000 unemployment claims were filed for the first time last week. 370,000. that's pretty much unchanged from the week before, brooke. any time this number comes in below 400,000, that means the labor market is improving. so there you go. closing arguments scheduled to get under way any minute now in the corruption trial of former north carolina senator john edwards. the jury likely to begin deliberating by tomorrow. the defense rested yesterday calling only seven of the 65 people on their witness list. edwards and his daughter, cate, were not called. neither was rielle hunter. she's edwards' former mistress. edwards faces 30 years behind bars.

a second reported case of a woman being infected with a rare flesh eating bacteria. she was diagnosed just days after giving birth to twins earlier this month. her case appears to be less severe than aimee copeland who is still in the hospital. she's had her leg amputated and is expected to lose fingers due to her infection. the best video of the day, a scientist going toe to toe with an alligator who gets chump cho when trying to remove the gator from a residential area. another team did capture that gator several hours later. he was released back into the wild. brooke? >> so you see his hand in that jaw for half a second. >> something i will never do. wrestle with an alligator. >> i'll pass. christine, thank you so much. imagine this. imagine you see a man assaulting a pregnant woman right in front

of you. you fear obviously for the woman's safety and you ultimately decide to get in the middle of that. in return though you get suspended from work without pay. this exactly what happened to ryan young. this is what he says happened to him last month. he saw a man pushing his pregnant girlfriend six months pregnant at the delray oaks safeway store where young works. he steps in and scuffles with the man and police arrest the man issuing a letter commending ryan for his actions saying they looked into the matter and concluded that ryan prevented further jury to the victim, protected others and led to the rest of the suspect in this case. the police here standing by him. young was suspended from his job. ryan young good enough to join me now. good morning. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> take me back to last month. you're in the store. you're working at the meat counter. what do you see? what happened? >> well, i was basically doing

my regular duties and a commotion broke out between a man and his pregnant girlfriend. things started to escalate and started off just kind of yelling and loud and then it got physical. he kind of started roughing her up and pushing her around and stuff. customers started to gather. people started to gather around. staff also and nobody really intervened in this situation. >> except for you. >> yeah. except for me. so the situation was kind of going from bad to worse. so i just felt it was time to step in and try to diffuse the situation. >> you diffuse the situation. you end up getting suspended from your job there at the safeway grocery store. did your boss explain to you why? >> well, yeah, she explained to me the labor board was

conducting an investigation and basically it's a liability thing i think from what she was saying and that's basically all she said. i wasn't given a time when i would return or anything really specific other than that. >> did you try to say, hey, i saved this woman, the police are standing by me, any of that or say policy is store policy and that's that? >> well, did i try to tell them that? >> sure. >> yeah, well definitely. when i came back off from my days off i met with the loss prevention security officer who views footage and tapes and he actually told me that he felt i did the right thing as well and that he feels that everything is going to actually be okay. but it didn't turn out that way. >> we reached out to safeway. here's what they told us. the matter is being handled through the union grievance procedure provided in our labor

agreement. so they're not saying too much. again the police chief sort of commending you saying now it's been almost a month. we conducted an investigation. we filed the case with the district attorney's office. what are they investigating? what's safeway saying to you? how long are you out of work? when do you getting t to go bac. >> i spoke to the store manager and she tells me she hasn't heard anything and that i may be receiving a letter in the mail. that's basically all i was told from safeway. >> you seem pretty cool and collected about the whole thing. are you angry? do you want your job back? >> i definitely want my job back. i'm more worried than angry, you know. this whole month has been pretty much like being stuck in a bad dream, you know.

my wife and i are expecting our first child in october and, you know, life doesn't stop because i'm suspended without pay. you know, bills still got to be paid. we still got to eat. rent is still due, you know. i'm very worried about the outcome whether i'll be terminated or not. >> wow. >> your heart goes out to this guy. you did absolutely the right thing. good for you. our country, our society needs people like you that stop and do the right thing and don't think about the rules. shouldn't be punished for doing the right thing. and you really saved someone from getting hurt further. you know, somebody has to step up here. your heart goes out to you. i want to help. >> something tells me after this morning, someone is going to call you up, sir. someone is going to call you. >> they better. >> your baby is going to be okay and your wife is going to be

okay and you'll get an income once again. we appreciate it. good luck. >> thank you. i mean, i really appreciate that. i would just, you know, if my wife or my sister was in the same situation, i would hope that someone would step in and come to their aid as well. >> ryan, thank you. ryan young, thank you. still ahead on "starting point," has the value of your home improved at all during president obama's presidency? christine romans has those numbers and breakdown for us next and a live look inside our green room. hero pilot captain sully sullenberger. what's he doing? throwing paper planes? nice. you know his story. pretty good planes. sully sullenberger's playlist. "fly away." ♪

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♪ >> you got good news for us this morning. >> that's right. foreclosures down to the lowest level since 2007. and new numbers this week also show housing is more affordable than any time in the past 40

years. i'm here to talk about if the housing market is bottoming out here. home prices are down more than 25% from the peak in may 2007. more than half of those loss since the president took office. home prices are down on average 14% since 2009 and some metro areas here are way worse. some have been improving a little bit. these are numbers from zilo. the three hardest hit are right here in battleground states. las vegas, orlando and detroit. battleground states have had tough housing markets but it's improving slowly. let's talk about how much money has been lost here. the median home price on inauguration day was $170,000. that is three years later, $145,000. $170,000. $193,000 was height of the market overall. this is inauguration day. january 2009. look at all of these things that the president has tried to do to

mitigate the problem. the crash obviously isn't the president's fault. there's plenty of debate about how well his solutions have worked. here's some of the mile markers on the road. remember that up to $8,000 tax credit. you can see when it was extended, these are home prices continuing to fall. even as all of that money was coming from taxpayers to the market continue to fizzle. this is the robo signing scandal which was a problem that show people are being kicked out of their houses without even having the bank look at their foreclosure paperwork. this is republicans taking control of the house. all along the way mortgage rates, 4%, all along the way home prices have been falling. now here's what i want to point out the good news. real estate tracker says declines are slowing. home prices will stop losing value by early next year. the president has tried to mitigate the foreclosures with different plans. governor romney says the foreclosure process should be allowed to run its course. in the end, all depends on jobs.

if you don't have one, you are likely not to buy a house. a job recovery, single biggest factor in the housing market. it's another spring selling season where everyone is saying we think it will get better. we'll see how the campaign trail how housing will play into all of those battleground states. >> thank you. still ahead on "starting point," we're so excited to have him here in our studio. miracle on the hudson pilot captain sully sullenberger is here. what it's like being this national hero and how really anyone can make a difference. this is from his playlist. how appropriate. sin at sinatra, "come fly with me." fre. same medicated pain reliever used by physical therapists. that's chilly. [ male announcer ] new bengay zero degrees. freeze and move on. and then treats day after day... who gets heartburn [ male announcer ] new bengay zero degrees. well, shoot, that's like checking on your burgers after they're burnt! [ male announcer ] treat your frequent heartburn by blocking the acid with prilosec otc.

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♪ >> i know someone that knows that river pretty well now. this guy. captain sully sullenberger "rolling in the deep" adele. miracle on the hudson. captain sully sullenberger successfully piloted a plane into the hudson. all people walked away unhurt. people now refer to themselves by where they were seated still getting together after a couple years. the second book since this happened in 2009. it's called making a difference. it focuses on other people's stories of inspiration and leadership and captain, good morning. >> great to be with you. all four of you. >> you get all four of us. before we talk about this book here, i do want to ask, i wanted your two cents. obviously what happened in 2009 with the hudson was birds. so now have you heard about the faa investigating this pilot up

in the air a couple thousand feet up in denver in colorado and sees -- they don't even know for sure, it might have been some sort of remote controlled mechanical plane. you can hear the fear in the pilot's voice with air traffic control. what do you make of that? >> it's hard to know what it was. on occasion a big group of mylar balloons can get up to several thousand feet and as you fly past the rush is intense. you normally don't see anything close to your airplane in flight and it would get your attention. >> describe the nerves. >> it would be a momentary startle, absolutely. i'm glad nothing bad happened. >> okay. to the book. to the book. "making a difference, stories of vision and courage from america's leaders." there are a lot of leaders in here that you were inspired by. run through a couple of these. >> they all are people inspired and that i admire. i had a chance to do these incredible in-depth interviews

and ask questions for a change and find out what makes them tick and what common themes there are. i chose people from intentionally diverse fields. some well known and some not well known at all but all of whom shared certain common traits like they are willing to check their egos at the door and serve a cause rather than just their own needs and make a difference in people's lives. i had to put these incredible sometimes funny but always inspiring stories in the pages and share them. >> part of your story, i had no idea, six months before you land this plane on the hudson river, you have a conversation with your boss. i quote you. this is from the book. you really wanted to establish yourself as aviation safety expert. cultural changes need to happen with your airline. you said the boss told you "we

don't do big initiatives here. i said to myself i'm 57 years old and implemented safety practices, taught team building, had a successful career, maybe if i work hard and fortune smiles on me i can find another way to contribute." >> i feel that way now. after flight 1549 in the hudson, after my crew and new york waterway and first responders saved lives and if i work hard and leverage what i learned before, it's possible that in other ways i could make a difference. one of the things i'm working on right now is applying what we have learned about safety and aviation. in this country alone every year including hospital errors and hospital conditions 2,000 lives are lost that are preventible deaths. >> i have read some of the articles when you talk about the book, for leaders in business and leaders in politics right now, you have now interviewed i would assume dozens of leaders that you have talked to, if you could say here is a mt. rushmore

of current leadership in this country, who is what you look for in a leader? >> i don't think we have to have a mt. rushmore of leaders. i think we have people around us all the time who in their daily lives, ordinary folks, are making a difference. it's just that they haven't been as publicly tested. we don't know yet who they all are. we can identify them by their actions. they are the ones who have real values and then believe it or not, choose to actually live by them. and i think we have people around that. >> your own personal story illustrates that. >> we need more people who can do two things. who can look beyond their own needs and who can take a longer view occasionally. people have asked me on occasion what my political affiliation is and people ask me if i was a republican or democrat in this polarized environment and my answer is always the same. that i'm an american first. i vote as an american first. that's one of my messages. we need to look to the long-term. we need to get away from this my

way or the highway environment and do what's right for all of us. >> are you hopeful that -- >> i am hopeful. when you read these interviews, whether it's admiral thad allen who has seen courage of this generation who have met these great challenges with grace, there's no doubt that we have people that have these qualities. we need to get more of them involved in leadership in our major institutions. >> just sitting here listening to him speak, if you were onboard that plane, wouldn't you be calmed? >> captain, nice to have you on. thank you so much. the book "making a difference." our "end point" with our panel is next.

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