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children and 70 wives. thanks so much for joining us. we'll see you back here tame siem same place tomorrow. "anderson cooper 360" starts "anderson cooper 360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening, everyone. we begin tonight keeping them honest with the presidential campaign and the saying about throwing stones when you live in a glass house. when president obama criticized bain capital, we told you about him raising money from private equity firms including as it turns out bain capital. now it looks like mitt romney may have a glass house problem. he's being accused of hypocrisy for the criticism over solyndra. the one that got government-backed loans then went bust. governor romney appeared outside solyndra's old headquarters calling the president's use a sense of waste and failure. whether government investment in emerging technologies is good or
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bad. but it turns out there are two cases of high-tech companies in massachusetts with connections to then-governor romney getting money from the commonwealth and then going bust. one called accusphere and spherics incorporated got millions before going under. according to the boston herald, both were run by romney campaign donors. the loans were approved by a seven-person board including three romney campaign contributors. the romney campaign says it wasn't romney's idea. quote, this specific funding was part of a stimulus package that governor romney opposed on the grounds that government should not play venture capitalist. the statement went on to say, because of his concerns he vetoed half the funding but the veto was overridden by the legislature. this week a surrogate was asked about the contradictions.
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take a look. >> that they had -- that they enticed to come over and then bankrupt. >> the structure in massachusetts as i understand it is a position of appointees the governor does not have direct control over. >> and you're saying governor romney was against this? >> what i'm saying is when he was governor was we should not have the state investing in private enterprise. the fact is we should be reprogramming this money. and he tried to reprogram the money away from investments. >> the record seems to contradict that. back in 2003 shortly after taking office, he acted and sounded like a fan of statement investment and private enterprise, not a critic. talking about the state's already existing renewable energy fund he said quote, the trust fund has been growing for years and i believe now is the time to refocus the assets in such a manner that it can become a spring board for the commonwealth by focusing on job creation in the renushl energy
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sector. in other words, he wanted to focus on green energy, just the sort of investment he's now criticizing. later that year he signed the law he earlier tried to veto. bill 4328 which is sub titled an act relative to investments emerging technology to promote job creation in the massachusetts economy. so is romney attacking president obama on solyndra hypocritical? two sides. joining us alex costeanos and james carville. what about this, james? is this hypocritical if. >> i think in some extent it is. i think in this campaign there's a lot of bricks and shards of glass. the thing is who knows if it's comparable or not, but it makes the water murky for governor attacks. for awhile it looked like they had a clean hit on the president. this muddies the water is bit. i think it's good news for the obama campaign.
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it's not the greatest thing in the world. i don't think the solyndra attack was the greatest thick in the world, but it did murk it up and have effect. >> alex, do you think it muddies the water? >> i think it does a little bit. until you start parting the waters a little bit, perhaps. it's pretty clear in the canarka case and others that mitt romney tried to de-fund this trust fund that funded these things. he vetoed this legislature. the loan for one of these was made before he became governor. in fact, by nature, mitt romney is a venture capitalist. what he did for a living is competed with these funds. that's why he didn't believe in them. he said so at the time. >> right. alex, i would say a nickel to a doughnut. when things come out that a lot of the companies that governor romney invested in were heavily lobbied to get government help,
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if you will. and i think that happens in a lot of instances. i would be very cautious about saying that somebody is a pure capitalist in that. my guess is they were aggressive in lobbying the government. >> i think you're probably exactly right on this one as you often are. the reason is you often play by the rules you're given. we've seen president bill clinton do that. you oppose certain kinds of cam pun fund raising laws. but you have to live under them. it's the same here as governor romney was tasked with administering these funds. didn't mean he opposed them, that he supported them. >> james, romney's also saying on the solyndra thing that basically friends and family kind of were given a sweet heart deal where there's no evidence of that. in fact, daryl looked into that
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and found no evidence of that. >> clearly the president was excited about this. it did not start under him. might have made a bad decision. just like they made a bad decision in massachusetts. sometimes you make a good decision. he made a good decision on general motors. i think that's kind of -- you get no you can't say anything. it's a legitimate attack. it was probably one of these things that went awry. i don't think anything criminal by it. you make calls, some good some bad. but it does -- the thing does make it a little as you point out in the piece, it does give them -- one guy said solyndra lost a billion and a half dollars and this thing in massachusetts only lost half a billion. given the relative size of massachusetts to the federal government, it was probably a bigger hit for them. seems like an awful lot of money to most people. i don't think either one were government at its finest hour in either instance. >> james, i think the solyndra thing was half a billion and in
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massachusetts we're talking about a million and a half. quite a difference in scale. nevertheless, one of the things we're seeing here is the obama campaign is determined to trip mitt romney coming right out of the gate. they want to define him negatively as an unacceptable republican. that's the focus of the campaign. they seem to be trying too hard. they're trying to force square pegs into round holes. the bain attack didn't work. now this. the loan was made by romney before he got there, et cetera. it was administrated by romney. but this is what happens when the guy with the 8% unemployment rate tries to attack the guy with the 4.7% unemployment rate for not doing as good a job. so this is the campaign that i think is off of a very rocky start. >> i thought massachusetts was 47th in job creation. we got to take the liberal press and print that figure. >> 47 in job creation but the unemployment rate at the end was
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4.7%. >> when he took office. he lost more than 270,000 people of their workforce. but again the liberal media keeps pointing out the 47th in job creation and beat louisiana because we lost all jobs because of katrina. romney needs to call the liberal media and tell people to quit reporting that. >> do you think governor romney's job creation as governor of massachusetts, do you think he's full verbvulnera that? >> i think they're trying to sled up hill on this one. i worked for governor romney in the last campaign. have nothing to do with it this time. but mitt romney was called back after the olympics to massachusetts because there was a state crisis. the tech bubble had burst. they were bleeding jobs. the state had a $3 billion deficit. and romney came back in raising a few fees but not raising taxes. cutting spending in an 85%
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democratic state, he turned that state around. got it back on solid footing. it created net jobs which barack obama has not yet been able to do. so again, 4.7% is what he left with. president obama has got a very slow recovery that is not following the usual pattern. he's below average here. it's kind of political malpractice to attack a guy who did a better job by the numbers than you did. >> are you saying that obama created sector job? are you saying he hasn't created private sector jobs? >> i'm saying that president obama has a below average recovery and he's not creating enough jobs. >> but he has created more private sector jobs in three years than bush created in eight. you'll agree with that. >> i'll agree with -- >> you'll agree that romney was 47th out of 50. and you will agree that romney exponentially increased --
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>> to be fair. he took it from 51st to 30th. >> we can agree that obama's private sector job creation is better than bush. we can agree that romney was 47th in job creation at governor. and we can agree he increased the bond indebtedness of the state. now we can talk about the other things he did. he made a lot of money at bain, we can agree with. >> when you ask me questions i try not to interrupt but i want to answer. the rate of job growth was 37th and he moved it up to 12th in the rate he was reducing unemployment. the state was 51st in unemployment. he moved it to 30th. he created 40,000 net jobs which would have transferred to something like 3 million jobs in the u.s. nationally if we could grow net jobs, plus jobs, which
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obama hasn't done. so he did a pretty good job. at the end of the day, there's one number. unemployment was 4.7% in massachusetts when mitt romney left. barack obama still can't get it below 8% here. and it's on its way back up. >> james, final thought then we got to go. >> $7 68,000. and we would like to revisit this about the unemployment rate in massachusetts because people were moving out of the state. but that's another thing. we can go to these figures back and forth. but murky the water is we were saying at the beginning of the be interview. >> thanks very much. let us know what you think at home. follow me on twitter. least tweet about this now. in raw politics tonight, tomorrow's vote on whether or not to recall the wisconsin governor. and why everyone outside
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raw politics. in a vote tomorrow, wisconsin with potentially serious national significance. voters could give us a preview what may happen in the 2012 presidential election. whether to recall scott walker on the or replace him with tom baron. if successful, it would be only the third time any governor of any state is kicked out by voters. may also be a trial heat for november's presidential vote which may explain why bill clinton made a swing through wisconsin. equally intriguing is why president obama has not. also why republicans pumped millions of dollars into this race. ahead more on the fallout. but first tom foreman sets the stage. >> reporter: the movement to boot governor scott walker started when he outraged union
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wor workers in early 2011. he said the legislation to reduce collective bargaining rights was employees was needed to balance the budgets. but democrats called it a sneak attack on the working families. they've gathered hundreds of thousands of signatures all across wisconsin as the divisive recall campaign thunders to a conclusion. >> what it takes to get scott walker out of here. i'm happy. >> reporter: as the race has intensified between walker and his democratic challenger tom barrett, so have the nasty ads. >> he's all about scott walker. and not looking out for us. >> if tom barrett is willing to cover up crimes in milwaukee, what else is he hiding? >> reporter: and the bitter words. >> i call them union pigs. they root in madison like pigs root in pig sties. >> reporter: and that has drawn big money and big names from outside the state. >> let me remind all you good people from wisconsin --
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>> reporter: as national republican and democratic forces push for a win. >> cooperation works. constant conflict is a dead bang loser and you need to get rid of it. >> reporter: on both sides, activists see this as a referendum on fiscal policies. on liberal versus conservative philosophies. and how wisconsin may lean in the presidential race. >> this is not the wisconsin way. >> reporter: each candidate has denounced the ugliness of the race. >> he started this political civil war. >> reporter: but they've also attacked each other. >> the right wing loves him because he's doing exactly what they want him to do. he's not doing what the people in wisconsin want. >> so everybody's clear here, the mayor doesn't have a plan. all he's got is attacking me. that's what you just heard loud and clear there. >> reporter: so however things turn out tomorrow night, it seems unlikely the fight will be gone with the wind. tom foreman, cnn, washington.
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>> joining us now john king and gloria borger. if governor walker wins which all polls indicate he will, what implications could that have on the map for november? >> some say it will say mitt romney can compete in wisconsin. this is wisconsin. i'm going to circle it here and turn this off. this is 2008. blue. it went democrat for president. here's 2004. blue. 2000. blue. 1996, blue. 1992, blue. 1988 even mo 1988, blue. does that mean mitt romney can get it? as of now this is the first day with this map. our new projection of the electoral. we lean democratic. right now you'd have to say based on the dna, the history i showed you, we consider it to be leaning democratic. if that changes that may put
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pennsylvania in play. for now that is mostly democratic territory. look at the map. 247. you need 270 to win. dark blue, solid, or light blue leaning. 206 for governor romney. seven states right now we call toss ups. new hampshire, virginia, ohio, iowa, colorado, nevada. they are the primary competition for now. might wisconsin get added to the mix? we'll have that conversation tomorrow night? >> gloria, we're seeing in the polls a lot of enthusiasm for governor walker in terms of coming out tomorrow night. it's not a shoe in for democrats come november? >> no, it's not. if i were a democrat in the obama campaign, i would look to 2010 and i would say wisconsin's the state that elected a republican governor. and it's got a republican
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legislature both houses. the history is barack obama won the state by 14 points. he's up by about eight points now. but i would take a look at what's going on in wisconsin now. and if scott walker wins, i think that's going to tell you a little bit about the mood of the people in the state of wisconsin. and the rereptivity. if i'm a democrat looking at the electoral map, i think you know what? the republicans want a stretch where they're contesting in this race. and they're going to make a play for the state of wisconsin. >> john, as the campaigns look at the maps you showed, what are they most concerned about? >> number one, the obama campaign knows this is not mccain versus obama. this is more like bush v. gore. what's the president concerned about? that you have lean blue. used to be traditional
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democratic strongholds. what is governor romney concerned about? number one, the president hopes to make a run here. arizona. mccain carried it last time. we're keeping it leaning red for now. he has to watch out there. it's harder. president obama only needs to get to 270, 23 electoral votes. all he would have to do is win the state of florida and he's the next president meaning four more years. governor romney has a harder challenge. he has to win florida and probably ohio. if he does that you have a competitive race. ohio and florida, they tend to decide presidential elections. if romney can pick up those states, the smaller ones, the colorado, nevada, iowa. imagine iowa and new hampshire where we began the campaign, they could settle it come election night. >> president obama campaigned for tom barrett for governor two years ago. he kept distance this time. governor walker and his support essay that's because the president thinks barrett's going to lose.
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do you think that's true? >> look, i think the obama administration was not thrilled about this recall election to begin with. i think if you would have given team obama is vote in this, they would say why would they want to have this recall at all? i think there is a case to be made, in fact, that the president has personally stayed away because he didn't want to tie himself to barrett's win or loss. he knew that all of us would be looking at it and reading the tea leaves. and i think there's another reason here which is that this race is going to bring out a lot of independent voters. and there's no point in president obama going to the state of wisconsin and alienating independent voters that he's going to ask to vote for him in the fall. so i think they took a look at this and decided okay. we're going to send bill clinton. that's great. we're going to send other top democratic surrogates. that's great. but you know what? we're going to keep the president out of this one. >> we'll see what happens tomorrow. thank you.
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welcome back. another keeping them honest report. one that's mind boggling. you might remember the outrage that workers of the general services administration, the gsa took that fancy trip to los angeles and charged taxpayers. and made videos laughing. there's one of the videos there. the trips were argued by this guy, jeff neeley. you see him there in a hot tub location unclear. as you look at that, the gsa's mission is oversight of other federal agencies to control
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spending. mr. neeley is no longer with the agency. they're still collecting bonuses funded with your tax dollars. bonuses totaling more than $1 million. two congressional investigations are still underway. the report doesn't name who got the bonuses, but it gives astonishing details. drew griffin has been digging into it. he joins us now. who are these people who got these bonuses and why? >> anderson, the why is unclear. the who is easy. mostly supervisors, higher end government employees with the gsa. they got these bonuses year after year. one supervisor, for instance, got nearly $8,000 bonus every year from 2008 until now, a total of $38,000. even though the same person had to be reassigned for abuse of authority. another supervisor who was reprimanded for dealing with a
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government investigation got 20 grand in bonuses. 84 different employees at the gsa all subject of investigations got bonuses. as for why, that's what senator claire mccaskill among others are asking. she's heading one of the investigations into it. >> do they have any kind of policy that -- i mean, it seems outrageous. it's hard to believe it's true. is the gsa admitting this? i mean do they admit this happened? >> yeah. they do admit it happened. the bonuses were paid to people under investigation. that's a fact. the new acting gsa administrator, we're told, is not taking this lightly. a spokesperson from the agency says a top down review of all the agencies, business is underway and that includes all bonus payouts in recent years. specially for those individuals under investigation by gsa's inspector general. you mentioned the policy. one of the things claire mccaskill wants is a policy that
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says you don't give bonuses to people who are under investigation or reprimanded. you would think that's a no brainer. that's what they're talking about. >> it's unbelievable. i mean, did some of these folks -- i mean, were they all working in the office? were they working at home as well? >> another investigation. telework is a program they have at the gsa. you work at home and telework in. but this investigation found that for some reason, a lot of these teleworkers were costing huge amounts of money in transportation expenses. $750,000 in a nine-month period just to get these stay-at-home workers to various conferences and office visits. that is under review as well. they're trying to decide if maybe these teleworkers would be cheaper if they just showed up at a gsa office and worked there. >> yeah. i mean, it seems ridiculous. them working at home is not spending money on travel. anyway, appreciate it.
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>> no doubt. thank you. you may have seen the video of a young boy singing in a church, the adults cheering him as he sings quote, ain't no homo going to make it to haven. gary tuchman tried to track down the boy's parents. he's going to join us live with what he found out. we have product x and we have product y. we are going to start with product x. the only thing i'll let you know is that it is an, affordable product. oh, i like that. let's move on to product y, which is a far more expensive product. whoaaa. i don't care for that at all. yuck.
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going to make it to heaven ♪ [ cheers and applause ] . . >> because of the age of the child involved, we're not showing the video of his face. this took place in greensburg, indiana. the man laughing on stage is the pastor. what's strange is the pastors involved don't seem willing to discuss their beliefs when asked. you may remember the pastor worley in north carolina who said he wanted gays and lesbians to be locked behind electrified fences until they die. the pastor hid from reporters. gary tuchman went to try to the folks in this latest incident. >> reporter: this is the church where a child declared in song that homosexuals will not go to
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heaven. so as the congregation came in we wanted to see if there would be a repeat performance. >> are we allowed inside? >> no. the safety impacted of the people inside. >> we're not threatening. we want to cover the story of what happened here. >> we can't be too cautious. >> reporter: in actuality police don't know of any verifiable threats. just the same, we were kept out of the church where this little boy was made famous on youtube. ♪ i know the bible's right somebody's wrong ♪ ♪ romans one and 27, ain't no homo going to make it to haven ♪ >> reporter: there's thunderous applause for the child. it's such a hit, he's asked to sing it again. ♪ ain't no homo going to make it to heaven ♪ >> reporter: we're still not
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sure who posted it on the internet and the motivation for doing so. >> children, teach them to love! >> reporter: outside the church, protesters mostly from the same town. >> i thought the child was used. >> i think it's sad. they need to teach love instead of hate. >> reporter: so who is this child? what were his parents thinking? why did the congregation react that way? who would led a child do this? if you listen carefully, we can hear only what we can assume is his dad cheering him on. that's my boy, the voice says. we wanted to talk to the pastor jeff sangel and ask why he seemed to be cheering him on. >> where's the pastor today? >> he's in ingley today. >> reporter: he wasn't home either. we tried to ask about what happened. most wouldn't talk.
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those who would wouldn't comment who the child is or where we mind find the parents. >> how did you feel about the child? >> i saw that. i'd rather keep those opinions to myself. >> are you okay with it or not okay with it? >> to be honest, i'd rather keep my opinions to myself. >> reporter: this man's daughter teaches sunday school at the church. >> i think it's out of proportion. they love everybody, but they don't love sin. it's in the bible. >> reporter: but did he feel bad? >> do you think they're sorry it happened? >> oh, yeah. >> is your daughter sorry it happened? >> oh, yeah. >> is the pastor sorry it happened? >> oh, yeah. >> are you? >> yes, i am. >> reporter: church officials released a statement in which there is no apology but say we do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason. this wife and his children is jeff sangel. i went to his house and talked
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to him there off camera. i asked him about the video now seen all over the world. and he said it's not what you think it is. i asked him to elaborate. he said his father would. i asked when that would happen and he said soon. the pastor's son also agreed with police there have been no credible threats against the father or the church. so we tried to ask permission once more to go in the church. >> please step off the premises. >> gary tuchman joins us live now. was it your impression that congregants were told not to talk to you? >> reporter: absolutely. this is a friendly part of southern indiana. everybody wants to talk. but when people left this parking lot, their windows were up. they saw our camera and they zoomed by us. it was clear toe us they were told inside this church not to talk to reporters outside. >> it is interesting in these snents how the pastors don't
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comment. did the pastor's son give an indication when he was going to talk if at all? >> what they're saying is he will talk soon. historically we see the word soon as a relative term. usually people tell us soon when they want us to beat it. i can tell you that last week when we were in north carolina with the pastor who said gay people should be behind electrified fences, they also said he'd talk soon. and he hasn't yet. >> there have been a number of incidents recently. another in kansas preached gays and lesbians should be killed. he said he's preaching what's found in scripture. want to talk to bruce filer. his books include "america's prophet" and "the council of dads." he joins me now. one thing that interests me about this i would love to talk to pastors about is i understand they're preaching what's in the bible and saying that it talks
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about killing gay people or men who lie with men. but also talks about killing people who committed adultery. or children who curse against their parents. you don't hear pastors calling for the death of adulterers. why? >> let me take a step back before we get there. this in a sense is not a new thing. ever since there's been religion in america, there's been two camps. one o is the letter of the bible camp, the other is the spirit. in the 19th century it was slavery. people said the bible -- abraham had slaves. jesus does nothing. >> they used the bible to support slavery back in the days. >> and in some ways it was a better argument because the bible did talk about it. the rival camp said we should be more compassionate to people. it happened with women's rights
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and also with civil rights. what is the hot button social issue of the day? it is gay rights, civil unions, gay marriage. now we're seeing the same battle. letter of the bible camp says it in several places that god condemns homosexuality. and you've got the spirit of the bible saying yes we should be compassionate. we're all god's children and should be compassionate to people whatever their beliefs. >> because it's become such a hot button issue with same-sex marriage now in a number of states, has it revived this? or the prevalence of cell phones? >> i think it's the second one. that's a good point missed here. if you put this into terms of war, strategically the same battles have been going on for a long time. what's different now is the tactics. why are we talking on cnn about this? in all likelihood because you're seeing pro-gay rights groups trolling the internet going to the websites of these churches and these small towns, plucking these things out percolating
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through social media. think about this. again, let's talk about politics for a second. that's something you talk about a lot and your audience knows a lot about. if you're a church and you're in rural indiana like this one, rural georgia where i grew up, and you got a choice. you can play to the middle, go to the independents out there the people who are interested in moderate position or play to your base. so why are we seeing this on churches? they're playing to their base. most of the people you're talking to are believers in this letter of the bible camp. >> does that then take me to the question i originally asked which is why aren't they calling for the death of adulterers is it because more people in the church pews amongst their congregation fit into that camp of those who have had an affair? a lot of people in the united states have had an affair. >> we're talking about two passages in the bible that talk about homosexuality. and for the record, lesbians are
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not talked about. there is no mention of women having sex with women. so the pastor said we should put lesbians behind the fen fence. that's made up. you're talking about romans one and particularly a passage in the book of leviticus that says if you speak against your parents, if you're having an affair, if you lie with a man then you willing put to death is what the language said. first of all, the bible is obsessed with sexuality. >> and promiscuous young girls can be put to death. >> the number of people in america who fall you shouunder category would be over 200 million americans. they're cherry picking what they want to address their own social needs. they are basically trying to -- what are they in the business of doing? support their church. this is what's --
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>> i tweeted about this and got tweets saying this is what jesus talked about in the bible. my reading is jesus never talked about it. >> jesus never talked about this. the passage in romans is a letter from paul. there is not a quote where jesus talks about homosexual sex. >> and was greater emphasis put on homo sexuality than adult adultering? >> that was what i was trying to say. sexuality is important in the bible. so all of the genealogy. so the bible is obsessed with sex, who's having it with whom, and that's why there is this very strict language about homosexuality. but it's really only in a few scamp places. >> appreciate it. interesting. thanks very much. let us know what you think on twitter. george zimmerman is back behind bars.
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there's a lot more we're following. isha is back with a "360" bulletin. >> the canadian porn star who killed and dismembered a man in montreal is in custody tonight. luke magnotta was found in a cafe in berlin searching for articles about himself. he's accused of filming the murder, putting it on the internet, and mailing the
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victim's foot to the canadian prime minister. one day after zimmerman is back in jail, they will request a new bond hearing. actors kevin costner and steven baldwin went to court today over the cleaning of the bp oil spill. baldwin claims costner duped him and a business partner out of their share of the profits. we'll keep watching this one. >> thanks very much. the ridiculist is next.
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time now tr for the ridiculist. we're adding the miss usa pageant that aired on nbc. here me out. i'm not anti-beauty pageant. my friend andy cohen co-hosted this. they did their best. one woman did talk about pretty woman about a woman portraying in a good way. and they did a song to "call me maybe." ♪ here's my number ♪ call me maybe ♪ i just met you >> and that was a cameo by donald trump who owns the baa gent. here's why it's on the ridiculist tonight. it's not for anything they did. it's pointless to keep holding
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these events. pointless because no pageant from now until the end of time will top the magical television experience known as the 2007 miss teen usa pageant. >> a recent poll found a fifth of americans can't locate the us on the map. why do you think this is? >> you've heard this. it's between a sixth grade contest. ladies and gentlemen, just because it's so darn good. i give you the best pageant answer of all time. >> i personally believe that u.s. americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have that. >> i just got to stop again. u.s. americans don't have maps. i repeat. u.s. americans, map shortage. i want to make sure last night's organizers realize the type of topic they should be in. rewind the tape. continue. >> i personally believe that
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u.s. americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have maps and i believe that our education like such as in south africa and the iraq like everybody such as. >> south africa and the iraq like everywhere such as. this is why you should have canceled last night. you had no chance of competing with that. you can't get a contestant to pinpoint her answer with clarity. i'll give you a minute about what you could have done differently. in the meantime, let's check back in with miss south carolina. >> i believe that they should -- our education over here in the u.s. should help the u.s. or should help south africa and should help the iraq and the asian countries so we will be able to build up our future. >> thank you very much, south carolina. >> now, you know it's bad when
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