his recovery. sounds like he's going to be fine. thank you. appreciate it. >> i want to get to jury selection has started in jerry sandusky's sex abuse trial, he is the former assistant football coach at penn state charged with molesting ten boys. several potential jurors have been dismissed today because they had close ties to penn state or to sandusky himself. >> u.s. investigators trying to determine if a drone strike hit al qaeda's number two guy. that is right. an american official says he was targeted yesterday in pakistan's tribal region. a hit would represent one of the most significant blows against al qaeda since the killing of osama bin laden last year. >> we're now divided over politics in the united states than race or class or sex. that is now according to a new pew research center study.

i want to bring in mark preston to talk about with what all of this means. i guess in a way mark, we knew that things were partisan. that's not surprising. but if you look at how pew researchers measure this, 48 different ways of measuring how we feel about politics over the years, and they find that we're more divided than ever. almost double over the past 25 years. why? >> you know suzanne, talk about a comprehensive study that pew has done now, you know, there's a lot of reasons. and what's interesting is that it shows that not only are we more divided politically but also seeing a growing middle. you know, a grow withing number of folks not aligning themselves entirely with the democratic party or the republican party. i think what you see is frustration out there right now on how to lead forward. i think you might be able to tie in the fact that social media has become so prevalent in

helping organize people, you know, ten years ago we didn't have facebook or twitter or these organizing tools that people use to get together. i think what you're seeing is political parties, the extremes of the parties to be able to use these tools to really push their message forward. >> mark, explain to us where we're seeing the widest divide. some of this is not surprising, right, when you talk about maybe social issues. then the environment was one of these -- one of these topics that people felt differently about when it comes to the role of government. >> yeah. i think -- it boils down i think to an economic issue in many ways. what you're going to hear from conservatives, certainly from a lot of republicans is that a lot of the regulations that are coming out of here in washington, d.c. are adversely affecting people out across the nation, you know. it's greatly hurting them maintain their jobs, shutting down plants. also they are seeing all of these other nations around the

world not really abiding by the environmental restrictions that you see in the united states. so i think you're certainly seeing that from the conservative side, then from the more democratic and certainly the liberal side, they are saying look, we need to really keep these in place and they have dug in on the issue. >> to be fair here, we're going to look at these numbers, this gap started to widen, this extreme partisanship under george w. bush, then blossomed and gotten very partisan over president obama. he really wanted to bring people together. that's what he said in 2008 as part of his campaign. who actually benefits from learning this kind of information? does this put more pressure on the obama campaign to prove that look, we can work with congress, we can try to get something done. >> they are looking at these numbers saying to themselves how are we going to deliver our message to try to win re-election in november. and of course, mitt romney's

campaign is doing the same because we know you and i know and our viewers know the election is not won on the wings, won right in the middle. so what they need to do is that they need to appear now, president obama and mitt romney, appear to be willing to at least with the other side but not give up on their values. the core values where their core supporters are expecting them to stand strongly by. that's this tight rope you're going to see president obama and mitt romney walk over the next five months. they want to appear as conservative if you're mitt romney, as liberal as you can be if you're barack obama. you have to acknowledge they need to work with the other side. >> all right. we'll see how this goes and plays out. thank you, mark. >> queen elizabeth saying a big thank you to her fans as her diamond jubilee celebration is coming to an end. it's a rare moment than her annual christmas day broadcast, the queen hardly speaks directly to the nation but she recorded a

message yesterday in the presence room it's called just before the big concert there. let's listen in on her speech. ♪ >> the events that i have attended to mark my diamond jubilee have been a humbling experience. it has touch immediate deeply to see so many thousands of families, neighbors and friends celebrating together in such a

happy atmosphere. but prince phillip and i want to take this opportunity to offer our special thanks and appreciation to all those who have had a hand in organizing these jubilee celebrations. it has been a massive challenge and i'm sure that everyone who has enjoyed these festive occasions realizes how much work has been involved. i hope that memories of all this year's happy events will brighten our lives for many years to come. i will continue to treasure and draw inspiration from the country kindnesses shown to me in this country and throughout the commonwealth. thank you all. >> one person watching, talking about our own richard quest in

london. and take us, pull back the curtain and tell us about the queen's speech. how is it done? it's a pretty rare thing there. what did you make of it? >> i think what i most take from it is the fact she just said it was a humbling experience and how touched she had been by the reaction. the royals are, to some extent, always surprised by the affection that is shown for them. famously once the queen once said when talking about -- there is a big party and thousands of people turned up. she once said i thought nobody would turn up. so to that extent, she will have been very, very reassured, grateful for it. it's interesting, this vote of thanks, this comment of thanks to those people who made it happen. to hear the queen speak, she gives lots of speeches but they are always very, very short,

opening this, closing that. but to hear her talking like this is quite unusual. >> and certainly a lot of people did show up. what was some of your favorite moments there? clearly a lot of excitement. >> too many of them. but if i have to choose some of them. for me, what i will take, the philharmonic orchestra playing land of hope and glory and the national anthem and the queen standing for hour after hour after hour, 86-year-old and she didn't sit still dur diagnose pageant. today the balcony and the fly past, the concert, kissing of the hand, those are the little touches that one takes. and just being on the streets of the capitol. this is you know, this is london's year. we've got the jubilee and now the olympics. and i think this has been the perfect way to get us into the

mood. >> richard, explain to us the affection for the queen and for the monarchy and all of this. what does that mean for you? >> as a brit? put it this way, i am 50 years old from the day i was born to today, that queen has been on the throne. she has -- i remember at school the silver jubilee. i remember the weddingings of charles. you remember it as you know, you remember it as an event you watched on television. i remember it because it was going to be the heir of the throne getting married. i remember it was part of the fabric of the country. just as much as you look at 1776, and the flag and all the history that goes with your great country, so i look at that and put it into the same context. and i can say it's not a soap opera.

this is not some drama that's made for television. this is the fabric woven into the british psyche. now, there are republicanisms -- republicans in this country who would like to get rid of the monarchy. they are few and far between. it's the -- and i know, i can hear some of your viewers wanting to tweet me at richardquest saying why. i can feel the steam coming out. >> like really? come on. >> it's the system we have. just as much as you wouldn't want to get rid of the checks and balances that you have in your constitutional system that works so beautifully sometimes and brilliantly most of the time for the american people, so we have the queen. >> tell me how you really feel. you got that passion. i get the passion there. tell me about -- >> look, i have grown up with it. it's been with me since day one. you play the national anthem and

i stand up. >> the hairs, they stand up. let me ask you this quickly. prince phillip got sick, he wasn't able to be with the queen for the final event. any update on his condition? >> yep. no statements, but prince phillip's younger son, prince edward, he and his wife went to see, said that his royal highness is getting better and doing well. and in royal parlance that means he's not going to drop dead immediately and in royal parlance, it means don't worry. the fact he went to hospital i'm guessing is a matter of ultra caution. a 90-year-old man you ain't going to take too many chances with not after he stood in the rain for four hours. >> good for him. we hope he gets better real soon. as always, good to see you.

>> good to see you. what we're working on for the next hour. it's zero hour in wisconsin for the recall that could prove to be a dry run for the national election. then, sandusky on trial. ten boys say he abused them. now the disgraced football coach will get a chance to defend himself in court. and, trumpets, canons, horses and massive crowds. the highlights of london's celebration of queen elizabeth. ordinary rubs don't always work on my arthritis.

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the money. dana bash has our report. >> you plan to vote tomorrow? >> phone calls, voter lists, door hangers, tv ads. >> the politicians in madison aren't counting their calories. >> all of this activity in wisconsin's gubernatorial recall comes at unprecedented price tag upwards of $63 million raised so far. >> when we have come up with a final tally it's going to be in the 75 to $80 million range. >> that shatters wisconsin's record. $37 million just set in 2010 when republican governor scott walker was first elected. >> this is way out of proportion to a state this size. >> what's also out of proportion, walker has raised 7.5 times that of his challenger, tom barrett pulled in $4 million, walker, $30.5 million. a quirk in wisconsin law let walker raise unlimited funds since he is targeted with a recall. and a lot of rich republicans seeing this as a preview of the

presidential race wrote huge check, some names probably sound familiar. bob perry gave half a million dollars. he bank rolled the 2004 swift boat attacks against john kerry. sheldon aidleson and dick deboss gave $250,000. 70% of walker's donations came from outside wisconsin. contributions large and small from all over the country. phil raised money for wisconsin republicans for 25 years. >> had you suggested that somebody donate here they would have laughed at you. >> they did laugh so yes. >> outside groups sporting both candidates flooded wisconsin with $25 million, a who's who of washington interest groups from big labor to planned parenthood to the nra. one group the republican governors association got $1 million from gop high roller

david coch. >> this is a battle we need to win. >> the tune of $8.5 million. >> our elections are being poisoned but the people of wisconsin can't know who is paying for most of the poison. >> dana joins us live. dana, he talks about poison. what is the implication of having so much money poured into this race? >> reporter: one of the things about all of this money is that this is a small state and expensive state so people have been scratching their heads trying to figure out how it's being spent when tv ads don't cost much. one of the answers is today, on election day they are spending more money than they ever could before on both sides to actually get out the vote. that is -- both sides hope going to be key at the end of the day today. >> and dana, i understand they are using some of the tactics we saw in previous campaigns, folks who are actually paying for cab rides, cab fare to get them there or on buses or whatever it

takes to get there. tell us what's actually taking place on the ground. are folks showing up in droves here? is this really going to matter? >> reporter: as you can see, it is a beautiful day and pretty much the entire state of wisconsin, so there's no reason why weather should keep anybody home. and we're understanding that turnout is pretty high. i talked to somebody who was at a voting place at 8:00 this morning, he was 219 voting there. and just bigger picture here, the last time the presidential race happened here in 2008, about 3 million came out. for the first race where walker won two years ago, it was 2.1 million. they expect presidential levels today. >> unbelievable. what do you think that says about the ground game? does it look like either side whether it's the democrats or the republicans are doing better? >> reporter: you know, talk to republicans here, they say thank you for this gift to democrats

because they are trying to make the case that wisconsin just four years ago as you know, did very, very well for barack obama. he -- john mccain didn't have a race here at all. and so republicans, until scott walker really haven't been energized and haven't had the organization to prepare for this next presidential election in just six months. now they have a tremendous organization, tremendous infrastructure. the question is whether or not people on the republican side are going to be fired up for somebody like mitt romney versus scott walker who is incredibly polarizing. >> we'll have to see. thank you, dana. good to see you. >> he is accused of sexually abusing at any boys. now after a fire storm jerry sandusky finally going to stand trial. ♪

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we're watching today as jury selection gets under way in the jerry sandusky child sex abuse trial. he is the former penn state assistant football coach charged with 52 counts of sexual abuse of boys. this is a case that has gotten a lot of publicity and the trial is taking place in an area where the school, the biggest employer

around, several potential jurors dismissed because they have a close connection to the school or to sandusky. sarah gannon is on the story as she has been since she broke it for the harrisburg patriot news. i know at least three jurors are selected. we're getting some of the details. two females, one male. juror one, a middle-aged white woman, doesn't know much about the case, has two kids. juror two, 24-year-old man going to school, his father worked for penn state. a mid tool older white woman whose husband worked in the same medical practice as general mcqueary, the father of mike mcqueary. why is juror three, why is that important there? i know that was a controversial pick. >> reporter: right. not only is mike mcqueary expected to be a key witness in this case, later on in the week when the trial begins, but his father is expected to be a

witness, too. she said, juror three said she did occasionally see john mcqueary because her husband worked with him, but the judge basically said to the attorneys present look, this is a small town, this is going to happen. and unless there is a reason we're going to keep her and she ended up being a juror. >> sarah, remind our viewer who is the mcquearies are. >> mike mcqueary is the assistant football coach who witnessed, says he witnessed jerry sandusky in a shower with a young boy in the penn state locker room. he said something sexual was going on, he left and immediately called his father and together they decided in the morning, the next day, that mike mcqueary would report this to head penn state football coach joe paterno. about ten days after he had another conversation about what he saw with two top penn state officials, fast forward about ten years, they are now charged with perjury and failure to

report that incident. perjury because grand jurors didn't believe them when they said that mike mcqueary said he didn't see anything that serious or very sexual happening in the shower. mike mcqueary told the grand jurors that he did. that led to charges against jerry sandusky and so he is expected to be a main witness in this case. >> so sarah, paint a picture if you will. you've been at the courthouse, seen some of these potential jurors, you've seen sandusky as well. what does he seem like today? does he seem to be ruffled in any way or calm? >> reporter: well, we're told that he is actually participating in some jury selection. he leaned over and said to his attorney at one point i think this person can be fair. in a case where joey mandola might have moved to strike and that person is still on the panel. so he is participating in his

defense. that's kind of in line what we've been hearing that he's been going through evidence and helping attorneys build his case. >> tell us a little about the moment the judge took some of these potential jurors aside to talk about the fact they would not have to be sequestered. how did that come about? >> reporter: he took off his robe, stepped off the bench and walked into the gallery where the potential jurors were. look, i want to have a conversation. from this point forward i trust you. i'm not naive. i know you probably read something about this case but from this point forward you're a juror and i expect you to take that seriously and we have this trust, we're going to build this trust and you're going to get to go home at night. i'm not going to sequester you. in return i expect that you don't read media reports, don't -- aren't influenced by what you may have heard. >> so again, also excellent reporting as always, we'll get updates as the jury selection continues. thank you, sarah. >> 77 cents on the dollar, that

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60 years on the throne and she is throwing a party.

queen elizabeth, her diamond jubilee, a couple hours ago she was greeted by many of her adoring fans. also aircraft from the battle britain saluting her with a fly-by. a huge concert, paul mccartney and elton john were there. heard from the queen in a rare speech to the nation giving her thanks.

it's a gracious thank you from the queen. let's listen to her message. >> the events that i have attended to mark my diamond jubilee have been a humbling experience. it has touched me deeply to see so many thousands of families, neighbors and friends celebrating together in such a happy atmosphere. >> a lot of folks there really excited about the diamond jubilee. one of our reporters talking to folks on the ground. becky joins us live from london. wow, that was one heck of a party, four days. >> yes. >> big. >> reporter: we started in the rain and we closed out in the rain. but let me call the crowd british. they were jubilant and stoic. you remember the river pageant. it poured with rain. the crowds were huge.

they were a million people lining the banks of the river thames to see what we haven't seen on the river in 360 years, it was quite the most phenomenal spectacle. i was down in the crowds on sunday and on monday. on tuesday, today behind me are the gates of the palace. buckingham palace as the queen came out to wave at the crowd. 250,000 people here again today, last night for the concert, another quarter of a million people. it's the absolutely remarkable. like i say, the weather has been let's call it inclement or as we say here, iffy. it's the most tremendous experience. and i think when you heard words from her majesty she meant it when she said she thanked those for coming out to help her mark what has been a quite phenomenal reign over 60 years. >> becky, two questions. what stood out the most over the last four days? secondly, is everybody on board with the diamond jubilee or is

there pushback from folks that are not fans? >> reporter: the good part first. i talked to a 98-year-old on sunday who said she was just happy to be here. she had been at the coronation and she was happy to be here. i spoke to a 6-year-old, probably the youngest. i tried to speak to younger than that had nothing to say. the 6-year-old told me that she was here because she wanted to be queen at some point so she was just here to practice. she was watching what the queen did and she would perform. so good luck to her going forward. on the downside, there really hasn't been one. the anti-monarchists, there are people who aren't great fans of the royal family but they are few and far between. there was a protest, about 1500 people down at the river on sunday. but i've got to say, we perhaps expected more but we didn't see very many protesting a

phenomenal experience. the last poll shows that more than 60% of people here in the uk and around the commonwealth and the world support the royal family. there has been a sea change for support over the last ten years and this has been the epitome of all of that. >> you've got the olympics coming up as well. all right, becky. good to see you as always. >> al qaeda's number two man, now killed in a drone strike in pakistan. we're getting a live report on what it means for the terror group and as well for our safety. [ kate ] most women may not be properly absorbing

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we have just gotten confirmation al qaeda's number two man has been killed. the u.s. official says abu al libi died in a drone strike

yesterday in pack is san. he was second in command behind al qaeda's ayman al zawahiri. i want to bring in barbara starr to tell us what is the significance of this guy, and how did it happen that they took him out? >> by all accounts this was a drone strike by a cia unmanned drone over the pakistan border region. it's the cia that flies these armed drones, let's be clear about it, they go target various suspected terrorists, they have been doing it for years now. this is someone they wanted to get very badly. a key operative in al qaeda for some time now, even before the death of osama bin laden. he has appeared in many videos, is a jihadist islamic scholar, a key operative, someone with a lot of clout in the organization

and abe to draw a lot of attention. does it make america safer? that would remain to be seen. al qaeda has showed remarkable resilience in basically regeneral are rating itself, bringing new leadership to the table even as they are decimated by these continued drone strikes. the key question for al qaeda for the future experts will tell you is whether this regeneration of new leadership can still lead to financing, planning, organizing and carrying out attacks. so far they haven't been very lucky in doing that lately by their standards. but still, worth watching, this man was very key, now u.s. officials saying they have indeed killed him. >> do we have a reaction from al qaeda yet? >> that's what people are going to watch for in the coming hours. typically, when these things have happened in the past eventually over time you begin to see messages posted on jihadist websites, on al qaeda

websites. in chat rooms and other online message forms. people are going to look for that in the coming hours. i think it's very important to say that while a u.s. official says he was killed, they are not telling us how they know that. they will say they know it from multiple sources so they may have already seen one of these messages online. they may have intercepted a cell phone call inside pakistan. they say they have multiple sources that are -- lead them to be able to confirm that he's dead but they are very critically not telling us how they know that. >> barbara, they don't have to see a body in order to confirm that. right? >> well, they wouldn't necessarily and likely do not have the so-called dna evidence one can only suspect. this is a very remote area of pakistan, not friendly to outside officials. they may have a satellite image,

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>> look at this unbelievable picture. this is an x-ray of a 13-month-old who swallowed her mom's magnetic bracelet. there have been dozens of casings across the country and i want to bring in elizabeth cohen to talk bracelet. i want to talk about this. you gave this to me. these are little magnetic balls that stick to each other. >> they're not necessarily intended to be a bracelet. they're like these toys. like i'm having fun right now. i made one into a bracelet. what happened was a mom did the same thing. her child got a hold of them, swallowed it and they formed a clump in the intestines. there's an animation that's perfect at showing what happened. so if it's just ball, it's not a big deal. but if you swallow one ball, nen another they can cling to each

other they can pierce the intestines. there's a child right now in louisiana who's been in the hospital for two months. most of his intestines have died. he needs and sbes nat transplant. he can't eat or drink anything other than water. these wreak horrible, horrible havoc. >> so this could happen just with two little magnetic balls? >> anything more than one could cause a problem because they will cling to each other. these are tough to separate. these are clingy. these are high howered magnets. these aren't you grandfather's magnets. >> and you can see how a kid would love to get a hold of this. >> and the point is you're supposed to -- see this warn, keep away from children. another warning down here, keep away from children. you're supposed to treat these really like prescription drugs and keep them away from kids. but, you know, that doesn't always happen. >> has anybody died? >> there has been one known death and there have been hundreds of kids who have become sick because of this and needed

surgery and it's -- when it gets -- if it just gets into the child's stomach, it's not as big a deal. if it gets into the intestines, that's when you get these really life-threatening problems. >> and these are very popular right now. >> they are popular. these are selling like hot cakes and the consumer product safety commission are seeing more and more reports of children becoming sick. so what happened is the nation's pediatric gastroenterologist got together. some of the doctors want these off the markets. the makers say hey, use them properly and it's not a problem. >> when you say treat that almost like it's medicine. >> exactly like it's medicine. keep it out of reach of children. the problem is if if a couple of these roll away, you're in trouble. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> also on this. praing note, elizabeth she is counting down her lists of 25 shocking medical mistakes.

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>> spending a dollar or two for what i need. >> i don't need to buy the largest thing. >> that brings her additional income. >> for a successful component, you really want to match the coupon to a sale that's in the sales ad or the store. you'll save more money. if you just cut something out, you may save $1, but you could save a lot more than that if you go to a store that might double that coupon or if you can apply it to a sale or a store promo. >> let's go shopping. >> she never buys chicken breast at the usual price of $4.29 a pound. >> i know the sale comes up about once a month. we eat chicken until we run out of chicken and then we buy it again for $1.99. >> all for free. >> by waiting and holding on to this coupon, i'm getting three items for $2. >> stores heavily discount items at certain times of year. baking goods before the holidays. >> you can use any of these on sale. >> barbecue and salad dresings at the beginning of summer. >> you need to look at the print, not the picture.

>> that's when you stock up. >> my coupon is save $1 on two. and they're on sales so i'm going to get two for. >> 50 cents. >> why would you pay $2 something when you could pay 80%. >> i did administration at a university. i had to run budgets of millions of dollars. >> so in my ad i saw this. my kids will be happy to use these. >> try to use my business sense and get us on a budget. >> an average family of four spends as much as $1,200 a month for groceries. >> it's $3.333 because it's on sale. >> she says her monthly pill is $450 to feed five. >> there's certain whether i moms and grandmothers who have been doing this for years. it seems like it has trended a little bit more lately. >> do you take competitor coupons here? >> yes, ma'am, we do.

>> it's certainly got an little cooler. >> a penny saved is a penny earned. >> your total savings is $61.16. >> for gina, it's been a good day on the job. >> all right, lisa sylvester is joining us live from washington. so lisa, you know, one thing we always asked, because it looks like it's time consuming to go through all of that. what do you need to to do? does it take a lot of time here? >> well, about the time consuming. if you think about it, people will have multiple trips to the store because they often end up going back because oh, they forgot that one thing, forgot the milk. so the very first tip she advises people is you want to plan your trip even before you leave the house. you want to start with your grocery store insert. this is the advertisement that you get in the mail. it comes in your newspaper about midweek. take a look at this. it's not junk mail. it's very important. for instance at the store i shop

at, they have a two for one special for fresh chicken breast. this is something that we buy every single week. but instead of buying it at the usual price of $4 or so a pound, i can get this on a two for one special. that's one of the things she says is get to know a store very well. you'll know when their specials are. co-ing up and you will find that often times these specials happen about once every month or so. so you want to buy you enough to carry you over for month. and lastly, avoid impulse buying. this is not about cutting out coupons you don't need. you want to focus only on things you need suzanne. >> probably save a bit of money there, too, i would imagine. nn news room continues right now with kate baldwin. >> i'm kate baldwin in for brooke baldwin again today. we begin with the latest legal bat toll people who oppose same-sex marriage in california. within the plast two hours a federal appeals court has refused to rehear the case of proposition 8.

a referendum caliifornians approved to ban same-sex marriage in 20088. a lower court ruled in february that prop 8 as it was called was unconstitutional. and that's the decision that stands. at least for now. so what happens next? let's turp to paul cowen. thank you for joining me. so what does this step mean for same sex couple, paul? what's the latest here? >> well, i would say we're looking at next step, united states supreme court for this case. this district, the ninth circuit, which is a big federal court, the largest federal court in america, it covers nine states and a couple of specific islands. this was the court that's decision has now basically said that california's prop 8, which was trying to ban same-sex marriage was unconstitutional. and those who supported prop 8 were hoping that the sbar court, all of the nudges in the 11th circuit would sit, it's called

on bunk. they actually put together a group of about 27 judges and they were hoping that it would be in essence reinstated, the ban on gay marriage. but the ninth circuit said no, we're going to stand by the three-judge decision. that's the final decision of the court, which means only the united states supreme court now can overrule that decision. so it's a very, very important precedent. >> an important precedent. if the supreme court takes it up, it's not likely they would take it up before election day and if the justices decide to hear the case, where do you think in your experience, where do you think the judges would lean on this? >> that's a hard question, kate. i think that usually the supreme court let's the lower courts, the circuit courts make decisions and nay look how they've sorted it out and try to do the right thing. in massachusetts, the first circuit court upheld gay marriage in that circuit.

we're seeing a lot of circuits upholding this right. in the end it's really going to depend on what the ideological makeup of the supreme court is when the case gets before the supreme court. and right now, there's pretty much an even split, conservatives and liberals on the supreme court. there's one swing vote that goes both ways so it makes it very difficult to predict what the supreme court might do. >> i think there is a finite period of time that supporters of prop 8 could appeal to the supreme court to have them take it up. do you know what that period of time is. >> well, i'm not certain what the exact one is, but i guarantee you they will file an appeal and the issue will be whether the u.s. supreme court grants sish rarry. they don't have to take every appeal. they can pick and choose the appeals they want to take. it's going to be up to the supreme court.

i think they'll take this one. it's controversial and different laws in different parts of the koun tr i. >> ripe for yet another blockbuster before a supreme court in another term. thanks so much. talk to you in a bit. >> much more making news in this hour. it's called "rapid fire." so let's go, shall we? a u.s. official tells cnn that al qaeda's number two man has been killed by a u.s. drone strike in afghanistan. he played a critical role in plotting against the west. he was second inform command to al zawahiri. he was targeted in yesterday's strike. perssona nongrata in syria. diplomats from 11 countries including the united states have been kicked out a week after those countries kicked out diplomats from syria. in some cases the envoys were long gone any way, but it's a furtherer show of syrian isolation as militia groups and

ghovt military wage war. and the man suspected of killing and dismembering his former boyfriend and mailing his body fights will not fight being returned to canada. he spent monday night in solitary con feignment. today a german judge visited magnota in jail to outline the charge against him. and in nigerinigeria, a cockpit recorder has been recovered of the plane that crashed sunday in lagos. and rescue crews have recoffered 153 bodies including a woman clutching a baby. and three jurors in the box so far in the jerry sandusky trial. the penn state coach faces 68 charge charges of rape involving ten boys. the judge ruled the jury will not be sequestered if for the trial. and the walt disney company, banning junk food advertisements on its networks aimed at

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the belmont stakes, the last leg of the triple crown is set to run on saturday. and 80 workers are threatening to strike. and isle have another is hoping to become the first triple crown winner since 1978. just listen to that crowd. queen elizabeth capping off a four-day celebration in a pretty big way. today's highlights included a carriage procession to buckingham palace, a flyover by the royal air force. that was pretty impressive. and the moment thousands waited for, a royal wave. she expressed appreciation for all those involved in what she called a massive challenge. >> the events that i have attended to mark my diamond jubilee have been a humbling experience. it's touched me deeply to see so many thousands of families,

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just hours from now, wisconsin's governor will know if he will stay in the job be face the embarrassment of being kicked out of office. walker is up against the democratic mayor of milwaukee, stom b tom barrett. walker beat barrett to win the governor's race in 2010. want to talk more about this with joshua speeback. he runs the recall elections blog. you watch recalls closer than most. in this case, do you have a prediction? >> i don't, i would just assume to go by the polls. walker seems to be leadi inin i every single poll. but i wouldn't know for sure. >> let's talk about the kind of money flooding into the race and really what's going on here. i want you to listen how both

sides are casting this recall and then i'll ask you a question afterward. >> it's a huge distraction, not just for me, fwr the legislature. it's $9 million of taxpayers money just to run this. think about the number of kids that we could help. think about the number of seniors we could help in our state with $9 million that we didn't have to waste on this frivolous law -- frivolous recall elx. >> we have a sitting governor who raised 60% to 70% of his money out of state. i will be outspent in this race probably 6 to 7 to 1, maybe as high as 10 to 1, which makes it even more remarkable this race is still so close. >> so joshua, what will be the real deciding factor when it comes down to the final tally. do you think all of this money that is flooding into the race is going to play a big part? or does it simply come out to voter turnout, voter enthusiasm? >> i think the money is going to play a huge role. it does look like independents are the key. both sides have their own group

and you see the polls are always very similar, 50 to ha. so those independents are really going to pull it .. usually in a recall, turnout is everything. but this is somewhat different than those regular recalls, simply because the turnout doesn't matter. it doesn't matter as much. the voters are coming out. a usual recall, voters don't show up. so this is a little different. of course, turnout always counts. so we'll see what happens with that. so you have written that some democrats may already be regretting this recall effort they took. what do you mean by that? and what do you think the national implications are? >> i think there's one major thing. that wisconsin has now -- before the democrats were angry. they were upset and they were ready to move. obama is expecting to win wisconsin. the democrats are certainly hoping to take the senate seat. now the republicans are also angry. they've oiled their machine,

they've $60 million to $70 million. who knows how much at the end of the day, getting ready for this campaign, just this one in june. and they're getting another one in november. so they're really ready to go. and the voters are angry. so that could really help shift wisconsin, at least make it more of a challenge to win. they're expecting the democratic senate candidate to win. >> real quick, do you think the big win for either side going out of this recall in terms of the national election, do you think it's about momentum? just in -- just enthusiasm, getting people out, realizing, you know, getting people motivated to get out and fight for their side? >> i think that's going to be a big part of this. just getting the turnout. i don't know that there's going to be that many national repercussions of this. i don't see too many interests in other states.

there's some but that will probably fade in november. that's probably going to be more of a wisconsin story. >> something we're definitely watching across the country. joshua, thanks so much. >> so only two governors in the history of the goin the countryr been recalled. in 2003, gray davis lost a recall election to arnold schwarzenegger. many california voters blamed davis for skyrocketing energy costs. for the other example, you have to go back to 1921 in north dakota. you know it's a problem when it's a black and white photo, right in lynn frazier was recalled in the middle of the depression. but he was elected to the senate the next year. we heard how women are paidless than men for the same job. now the u.s. senate is debating and vote on a pay equity bill. but is it really about protection or politics? and just a quick note for those of you heading out the door, you can continue watching cnn from your phone or if you're heading

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the democrats are making a new play for women votes. president obama is throwing his support behind an equal pay bill. brianna, what is going on here? it seems like so much of the congressional agenda right now, this seems to have more to do with the election fights than anything else. >> because it's not actually expected to pass the senate. this is more about making a statement too female voters and a coordinated push between congressional democrats and the white house. while the action today is with this vote on the senate floor, it has everything to do with the president's re-election battle. you can tell that by what harry reid said a hort short time ago.

>> even mitt romney has refused to oppose this legislation. why? it's obvious why. >> now, this bill, kate, is one that would force employers to actually prove why women who make 77 cents to the male dollar overall, why they are being paid less if they are being paid less by an employer to really account for it being issued of experience or qualifications and making sure it isn't gender. and there would also be stiff penalties if an employer is shown to be, you know, having gender discrimination for pay. and barring any surprise, we're expecting really a party line vote here. senate democrats are expecteding to be unanimously opposed. it seems like senate -- pardon me, senate democrats voting for it, senate republicans unanimously voting against it. >> we have heard a lot from democrats on this issue.

they've been very vocal. what are republicans are saying in terms of their opposition to the bill. >> forcing employers to jump through these logistical hoops they shouldn't have to jump through. one senator said this would be a bonanza for trial lawyers. money would be going towards lawyers and not so much women because of the punitive damages that could be sought here. but i think it's also interesting that the chamber of commerce, kate, would be scoring this as a vote that would be unfriendly towards business. so certainly some republicans are feeling some pressure there. and i think what you can really do is look at the senate floor and see it's been so much democrat after democrat that has come and spoken about this. you haven't seen a lot of republicans. you know that saying, pick your battles. and it seems in this case, republicans feel they have a

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the department of religion from cape cod, massachusetts, via skype. hey there, stephen. the book was published in 2006 but the value can didn't put out its criticism until just yesterday. what's your take on all this? >> well, they had been investigating it for a while. there's a few things to say about it. one, the church continues to attack the sort of apple pie mom kind of institutions in america, the girl scouts they went after a few weeks ago, going after american nuns and now nay ear going after this particular nun who what i read is pretty conservative in what it says about sexual relationships. >> and you wrote a piece for the belief blog, you talk about the vatican being reoccupied with sex rather than very important issue facing the church right now and christians, really. poverty or even hunger. why do you think that is?

>> i think there's been a centuries long collapse of religion into morality and morality into sexual ethics. she almost apoll jazzes for writing a book about sexual ethics. she says there's more important things for the church to be talking about, like poverty and hungry, but this is something that requires a i tension. and then she tries to take the lens of social justice. instead of roles like if you're married and you're trying to have a baby, then sex is okay. she says well, maybe sometimes sex inside marriage is wrong, and maybe sex sometimes outside of marriage is wrong. if it doesn't meet these criteria, like treating your sexual partner as an equal, treating your sexual partner as an end rather than as a means to an end. >> i should tell your viewers that we reach out to sister far lee and she's not doing interviews at this time. but let me push you on one point. she's a catholic nun and she's going pretty much directly

against church teaching really, where the church stands on these issues right now. does the vatican have a point here. isn't she supposed to represent the church? >> well, she's not speaking ooze the pope. she obviously can't be the pope as a woman. so she's doing theology. and the church has recognized that theologians do things differently from the official teachings of the church. in her response and in response of her superior, the sister who run s the sisters of mercy, whh she is a part, they've expressed regret that this has created trouble, but sister far lee says her theology here is rooted in the history of the church. she talks about augusta and the bible. she's not totally trying to contravene this. i should say the church is really only helping publicize what she's doing. yesterday, i saw she was about 100,000 on amazon book ratings.

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another recall election to tell you about. council members accused of not stepping up after a homeless man was beaten to death. this video showed police officers using stun guns and batons. he died five days later, but in the year since his death, the close knit suburb of los angeles has been in turmoil. the city awarded thomas' mother a $1 million settlement. there's a picture of thomas right there. casey wian is in los angeles. why are these three city council

members coming under fire when at the core of it, this was a police action that this resulted from? >> right. let me set the stage a little bit. you can see this memorial to kelly dom mas. i'm standing on the spot where he was beaten, a fatal beating. he died, as you mentioned, five days after that beating by six different fullerton police officers. and we are in the city of fullerton, california, which is in orange county just south of los angeles. residents here, some residents were angry about the official response to that beating. three city council members who are up for a recall vote being taken today. included in that group, the former police chief of the city of fullerton. he was the police chief when several of these police officers were hired. those city council members say that they were under the advice of their attorneys, not to say anything in the immediate days after the beating because they

did not want to prejudice the investigation or prejudice the case that is ongoing. but some of those rez dependents say they should have come out and taken a stand against this beating. they also say there's been city council members here on the council for decades and that it is definitely a time for new leadership. so kind of galvanized this recall effort. hundreds of thousands of dollars have been spent on this recall effort which is an unusual amount of money for a city this size. kate? >> absolutely. some opponents of the recall say this doesn't have -- is much to do with kelly's death as some may think. rather in their view, this is what they call a power grabby a local businessman. what are you hearing about that? >> well, that is a view of the opponents of the recall. most of the financingings for this recall effort has been provided by a local businessman. we spoke with him at length. he has been given more than $200,000 to this recall effort. he also gave some $40,000 in the

previous election to try to defeat a city council member. he says that this is not an effort to further his business interests. he says what he sees is something wrong happening in the city of fullerton. something tragic that in his view was a failure of leadership by the city leaders and he says it's time for a change. that's why he's putting his money forward to try to oust these city council members. one thing i should point out as well, there are 13 different people running for these three county seats. so there's no guarantee if the recall is successful. who can actually get into office. who knows how this is going to shake out. one thing it could result in, though, that's one of the things the police department and city fathers are worried about is that the recall organizers may be trying to do away with the fullerton police department to save money. turn that over to the orange county sheriff's department and allow city funds to be spent on other things.

casey wian, thank you so much. so the u.s. has used reconnaissance aircraft with no pilot in the seat for some time now. but a new drone is being tested with no pilot whatsoever. phantom eye is a drone defeated by boeing. this is the first test flight in california. it's being flown entirely by computer from takeoff to landing. chad myers? this is pretty impressive stuff. . >> it is. and what's even better than that, it can stay aloft for four days. >> which is much longer than the traditional drone. >> the longest we have now is 30 hours. so this is four days at 65,000 feet, taking lots of pictures. >> so, i mean, i think it's obvious what this could be used for. it's drone 2.0. >> i think it's 5.0. this is far and away -- let me take you over here to the map here and show you how this all works.

this is a very large vehicle. you don't really think of it, but this is a pickup truck right there. and this is a plan, i realize it may be a bit of a scale issue. but it actual lie leaves the takeoff wheels behind. it's like a slid. this thing takes off. inside the belly here sr. a very large fuel cell. this is the fuel cell technology that president bush in 2006 tried to get cars made into the hydrogen cell. all it makes is heat and water. no pollution whatsoever. plus it doesn't make any noise. that's pretty good for a drone. two electric motors here and here taking off. the vehicle capacity is 400 pounds. what they're thinking now, at least, because it's going to be a 65,000 foot plane that it's going to be cameras that will be pointing down. but the key is that this thing can stay aloft longer than any other flight and can have stay

aloft preprogrammed. doesn't ever run out of cell range of the operator because literally the operator is inside the vehicle itself and it's just a computer. artificial intelligence there. that's just the wave of the future. >> i'm just trying to think, chad, is there a prescribed benefit to have a kpauter do it and not a human do it? is it just kind of the error factor they're trying to take out of it? >> a little bit. but you have to understand one of our drones was taken over by another country. they flew it and landed it so they actually stole one of the drone, took one of the drone ace way from it. there will be no signals going back and forth if they choose to drive it and fly it that way. >> also i saw in one write-up, boeing does no have the a contract on this drone. they're mablging this, developing the aircraft on the company's own expense. so we we'll see. >> it's like a speck house. don't have a bhieer yet, but hope fli somebody will buy it.

>> chad, check back with you later, thank you. so police say he killed and dismembered a friend then fled to europe. a canadian born actor speaks to a judge after being arrested in germany. i'm a marathon runner,

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now to berlin where there's new developments in a case of a man who was believed to have stabbed, mutilated and mailed out the body parts of a university exchange student in montreal.

lucca rocco magnota was arrested on monday as he surfed internet in a german cafe. >> reporter: kate, magnotta went before a judge and said he wouldn't be fighting extradition charges back to kaupd, which means that whole extradition process could go fairly smoothly. could happen as fast as a week because of a bilateral treaty that exists between the two countrie countries. the earliier he can get back to face charges the better for the family and yu lin who he's accused of murdering. he's facing first degree murder and also having indecently assaulted the body and posted body parts to politicians across canada, including the prime minister. he was caught under extraordinary circumstances,

really. this was a man who police knew courted attention. he posted thousands of pictures of himself online. and he was actually in an internet cafe looking at his story, reading about his own infamy when police finally got to him because the cafe employee in the cafe alerted him to him, which he gave up really without a fight saying okay, you got me when he realized the game was up, kate? >> thank you so much. coming up in the next hour, we're going to go to canada and hear what authorities are saying about magnotta there. queen elizabeth smiles and waves as her subjects give her shouts and applause. more on that coming up next. we're at the exclusive el chorro lodge

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it has been a whirlwind weekend, part of the week of celebrations as he majesty, queen elizabeth ii narced 60 years on the throne. the diamond jubilee has been full of the pomp and circumstance and pageantry the brits are famous for. even bad weather hasn't dampened their series. hi there, becky. i'm sure it's kind of hard to sum it quickly, but for you, what were the highlights? >> all right, we have pom, pageantry and picnics and a party that's been 60 years in the make pg and boy, did the crowds come on in to the mall here outside buckingham palace today. we started, of course, at the weekend. the most spectacular river pageant in 360 years.

we learned that prince phillip was ill, the queen's husband. there was a day where the show had to go on and the queen knew that. and the spectacular event last night, a star-studded performance by many of the best of british and artists from around the world. the commonwealth. and then today, we had a church service which you very rarely see. a thanksgiving service. then tens of thousands of people lining the streets of london as the queen led a carriage procession back from where she was to here, buckingham palace. then we saw her on the balcony behind me. i think the lights for me, really were talking to two people at various thymes. a 98-year-old who told me she had been around for the coronation and couldn't blooe she was around for what was the diamond jubilee 60 years for the queen. marking a landmark in her reign.

and then a 6-year-old who told me she wanted to be the queen and was getting ready to be the queen. so she was practicing watching what the majesty had been doing the last three days. >> there's so much lead-up to this event. do you think it led up to the hype? >> i think it really has. there's been a period of time over the past couple of decades when the royal family were not as much loved or perhaps as much adored as the polls now show they are. certainly over the death of princess diana, there was a period of time when the royal family sort of pr wasn't perhaps as it was. but it's been a really important time for the royal family for the queen herself. queen elizabeth ii calls her husband her stand and she really has shown through what was a very long day on sunday in the pouring rain, they stood their

ground as people flocked to see them and this river pageant. and then to find out that her husband, who is 91 years old is -- has had to be admitted to hospital and still she goes on. last night she was at the concert jigging away, it's got to be said, with the archbishop of canterbury. quite the most phenomenal situation. then to see her on the balcony today as the fly pass happened, i think that you would be hard pressed to find somebody here or around the world today who didn't say this has been a good event for the royal family. he's obviously in hospital, but any update on if he'll be leaving soon or how serious it all is? >> yeah. they told us he will probably be in hospital for the next couple of dpaps of course, we found out this news on monday afternoon. it's now tuesday evening here in the uk. prince edward has been to see him today, we're told. he says he's doing well and he watched the proceedings today on television that says he was

watching cnn rather than one of the national broadcasters here. i'm sure he was. it's a pleasant place. i'm sure you can get cnn. he's got a bladder infection and he's effectively resting up. i think it's a sort of illness if he was literally younger, he may have seen a doctor and been told to rest up in bed here at buckingham palace. because of his age, he's 91 last sunday, he's kept for observation and apparently been watching the events todudjmantu yeah, we learn that he's okay and we wish him the best. >> an mirn citizen living in mexico is detained on the way into the u.s. her attorney said she was oersed to give up her citizenship and now she's filing a lawsuit to get it back.

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birth certificate proving she was born in texas as well as her driver's license. she said they detained her for seven hour, freeing only when she signed a document saying she was not a u.s. citizen. vasquez just filed a federal lawsuit to get her citizenship back. and now we've learned another development in this story. the texas health and human services commission found a mexican birth certificate saying she was born in mexico. squoining me to break this down, you interviewed vasquez kwez. what does she have to say about having a u.s. birth certificate and a mexican birth certificate. >> to facilitate her access to publication in mexico, they went ahead and got a birth certificate there. she never lost her citizenship

because residence is not a requirement to keep your residency. she made her life in mexico but crosses back and forth. >> is it legal to have a birth certificate in mexico as well as the united states. >> i can't tell you what happened there, but i can tell you many mexican families in the u.s., maybe second, third generation, they used to do it. i don't know how often it is now. but they used to do that to give their kids the option if they ever wanted to go back, they could do that. >> i want to read and tell all of our viewer, a spokesperson for the customs and border protection did respond to cnn saying because of the lawsuits officials can't talk about vasquez's case, but customs did say in a statement, quote, is obligated to ensure the documentation presented to accomplish citizenship is proper i and correct and issued to the person presenting the doms. so take this step back. you have interviewed another person with maybe not the same exact case, but a similar

situation. >> well, it's very similar. they are both represented by the same lawyer who says he is seeing a lot of these cases lately. and this woman was also born in the united states. she moved to mexico when she was a child, came back at the age of 18 and since has lived in this country. made a life. she had a valid u.s. passport issued to her name. she was visiting relatives coming back again a couple of years ago through the same crossing point with her sister who is also a u.s. citizen and her mother who was traveling on a visa. they were detained, separated, questioned. she was also asked to sign this document stating she was born in mexico. nonetheless they were deported. she contacted the lawyer who helped her fix the situation and recovered her documentation. her sister gained her poassport. now they're trying to get her moth mother's visa reissued.

>> so it's yet to be seen what's going to happen to ms. advise kwez, right? >> that's true. what all these people have in common is they were born through mid wives. when authorities recovered lists of people who they assisted giving birth, the them in their possession, but they are not making a difference between who was legally born in the u.s. and who was issued a fraudulent document. so now when all these people are tryinging to get a passport issued or they're being checked at the border, they're being caught, you know, in this mess. also, the u.s. changed its policy for u.s. citizens returning to the u.s. it used to be you could squlour driver's license, your birth certificate. now it's required now that everybody has a passport. >> seems like a confusing story to follow, but you're on to