advice, be ready to fail. >> i love margaret hoover in the background. >> i was listening for his super focus glasses. >> nice to have you here. starting point wit soledad o'brien starts this morning. good morning. our "starting point" with startling details of jerry sandusky trial, graphic details and even threats and the second mile charity as a child and the new sandusky. and lance armstrong suspended from ironman after being charged with doping. and he fires back. and questions surround helicopters arriving in syria. plus, baseball history in san francisco as giants pitcher, matt cain pitchs a perfect game. "starting point" begins

right now. >> good morning, welcome, everybody. our "stastarting point this mor is day four of the jerry sandusky sex abuse trial with three victims set to take the stand. the prosecution is moving at a rapid pays. the state is expected to rest tomorrow. cnn susan candiotti is live at the courthouse in bellafonte, pennsylvania this morning. >> good morning. three more alleged victims are expected to take the stand today and tomorrow before prosecutors wrap up their case. among them, we expect to hear from one youngster, back in 1988, her mother went to police after she discovered her boy had been showering with jerry sandusky. charges were never filed in this case, but the mother said the little boy was naked, jerry sandusky had bear hugged him and

she was worried he might have touched some of his private areas. charges never filed in this case, however, police did eavesdrop on jerry sandusky and they said he told them this, quote, i understand i was wrong. i wish i could get forgiveness. i know i won't get it from you. i wish i were dead. that's what he said to the mother, according to police. authorities told him not to take any more showers with any boys and sandusky said he wouldn't. but, soledad, as we heard from this testimony in this trial, he sure kept on doing it, it appear appears. >> some of this testimony has been so graphic and just so heartbreaking to see these -- to hear the testimony of these now young men crying on the stand. how are they coming across to the injure rye? >> reporter: i think in a very credible way. all the jurors are almost literally on the edge of their seat.

they're paying very strict attention to them. in one in particular they heard from was alleged victim number 5. this is a young man unlike other second mile people we heard from, did not come from a broken home. as he broke down and testified, talking about how jerry sandusky had allegedly showered him with gifts to football games and allegedly exposed himself in a shower and said sandusky had asemi-automat saulted him sexually in a shower and the parents were listening in the courtroom and they, too, were crying. >> i can imagine, sounds so awful. susan candiotti updating us on that trial. we appreciate it. in a couple minutes, i'll be speaking with a young man named thomas day, a penn state graduate who attend and worked with jerry sandusky's second mile foundation and i'll talk to him about this trial he's watching very closely. first to christine romans with top stories. good morning. >> good morning. breaking news this morning in

the scandal over lance armstrong and new doping allegations. ironman organizers confirm armstrong is now banned from the niece armstrong competition supposed to compete there june 24th. armstrong firing back after the organization charged him with doping saying these charges are baseless, motivated by spite and testimony bought and paid for by promises of immunity and although the usada alleges a wide ranging conspiracy over 16 years i am the only athlete it has chaesen to charge. i have never doped and unlike many of my accusers, i have competed as endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed over 500 drug tests and never failed one. the wildfire swelling to more than 7,000 acres in

colorado, more than 1,000 personnel working nonstop in 24 hour shifts to slow this fire down. more than 1,000 pre-evacuation alerts issued to people living on the west side of that fire, a warning to get readily to leave quickly if need be. more ravage in syria, a car bombing near a shiite shrine in damascus as a russian official telling cnn the russian government is not sending new helicopt helicopters to syria. secretary of state hillary clinton came down hard on russia this week accusing them of se sending combat helicopters to a damascus although they did not talk specifically about the helicopters clinton was referring to. 73% of syria's major russian imports can be tracked back to russians and belarus the other major trading partner. talking to the former u.s. ambassador to iraq, john neg go upon tai and what the u.s.

should do about it. president obama and mitt romney making a critical stop in the swing state today. the president in cleveland to deliver an afternoon speech on the economy. 250 miles away in cincinnati, romney will take the stage at the same time, to make his pitch on how to fix the economy. history made by the bay last night. san francisco giants pitcher, matt cain, tossing a rare perfect game, only the 22nd time it happened in baseball and first time ever for a member of the giants. here's the final out. >> on the ground, areaiairias, deep third, got him! that's a perfect game. >> he struck out a career high against the houston astros. hear the sound? >> the crowd goes wild. >> the crowd goes wild. >> thank you. we'll return to our top story in about two hours.

the fourth day of testimony will begin in jerry sandusky's sex abuse trial. so far, the jury has heard from five of the 10 alleged victims in the case. 2nd met them all through t the -- sandusky met them all through the second mile charity, bring them to football games, overnight trips with them and let them spend time with his family. thomas attended second mile as a kid and mentor later and closely following the trial. joining us from chicago. mice to see y mice -- nice to see you. thanks for joining us. you've been following it, because i know you hoped what you heard in the trial prove untrue all the allegations. what do you think of what you've heard so far in testimony? >> i don't look at this as something i wish that would be undercut the prosecution. i hope very much they're able to secure prosecution. i hope that, you know, all these

witnesses who have come forward are credible and just based off of the reports i've been reading on the first three days of the trial, seems like we're well on our way to a conviction. i'm very happy about that. i hope, once we've locked this guy away for good, we can then move onto the university administers who thought it was more appropriate to quote be humane to jerry than protect children. we can lock them away, too, and then we can go on and rebuild penn state and the community i grew up in. >> you're a penn state graduate and come from a long line of folks who graduated from penn state. do you think most people part of the penn state family would agree with you? >> absolutely. absolutely. when i initially heard about these allegation, there was a report a year and half ago they were investigating sandusky. i didn't want to believe it. i knew it was two-year grand

jury investigation. i suspected that they would not have gone to these lengths to investigate him if there were not some truth to that matter, to this investigation. >> when you -- i'm sorry for interrupting you, i was going to ask you -- >> no no. >> when you heard the testimony yesterday of victim 5 and 7 and 10, as they're called in the trial on the stand, they've been very consistent in what they say and their level of details, starting with the hand on the knee, sort of progressing to showering together and then literally crossing the line to a sexual assault, if you believe their testimony. what was the perception of jerry sandusky? were there rumors about jerry sandusky? he clearly was spending so much of his time one-on-one with young boys. janitors knew something was up, had been witness is in some way. what was the rumor mill or was there one about jerry sandusky on campus and off-campus? >> i had never heard of anything like that.

penn state university, of course, is a very big university. the second mile community was a very big community. that's kind of the point. it served about 1,000 kids around pennsylvania. i was one of several hundred mentors. frankly, my experience with the second mile was a very good one. i was very proud of my volunteer work with the second mile. i understand the name the second mile is, you know, obviously permanently destroyed, but again, we're talking about a very large community. i had never heard any rumors about coach sandusky. of course, if i had heard anything, i would have notified appropriate authorities. i had never heard anything. >> what kind of relationship did you have with him? interesting, i was reading about your time in the charity, you haddad very involved in your life. i know for a lot of the young men who are the victims coming forward in this particular case, they differed from you in that

way. not necessarily intact families, maybe more opportunity for someone who is a potential child molester. tell me about your interactions with jerry sandusky? >> i didn't really have a lot of interaction with coach sandusky. i met him a half-dozen times and never alone with him. it was a big organization. most of my work with the second mile was what was called the second mile friend fitness program, a lot like big brother-big sister, except we took kids and worked out with them a couple days a week. i really didn't have a lot of interaction with coach sandusky. i never sensed there was a problem. i don't want to overstate my relationship with sandusky. >> last question, mike mccreery on the stand the other day, before he took the stand, he had

been heckled and death threats in the past, what did you think of his testimony? >> i'm glad you asked that. coach mcqueary, as far as i can tell, did nothing wrong. i think that's tremendously important to recognize. this man has been, if not public enemy number one, maybe public enemy number two with this case. he followed the legal proceedings when he obviously witnessed what he witnessed. he notified gary schultz, he has the third guy indicted. there's sandusky, the athletic director and this other guy, gary schultz, who is top of the chain of command at the university police. he went to the police. he made very clear to the university administrators what he saw. he couldn't have made a citizen's arrest. he ended association with sandusky. this guy deserves our praise and our understanding. he certainly does not -- he's certainly not a villain in the

story. i hope -- i know he's suing the university, probably understandably so, i hope, in time, that, you know, us as penn staters, can welcome coach mcqueary back in the family. i know he loves penn state. >> thomas, a former member of the second mile foundation and penn state grad. thank you for your insight. still ahead on "starting point," mayors across the country gathering in orlando, florida. they have a message for congress, stop fighting, get to work. we'll talk to los angeles mayor who will join us next, right there. also, how much would it take -- how much would you pay to have someone take the burden of naming your baby off your plate? we'll tell you about how groupon is willing to take $1,000 of your money to name your baby. our get real this morning. here's our plain list. love you, girl, you're watching "starting point."

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figure nearly 200 of the country's mayors are getting together in florida. they have different political backgrounds but have a message for washington. quit the partisan bickering and get to work. the mayor of los angeles is also the president of the u.s. conference of mayors joins us this morning. thanks for joining us. appreciate that. the conversation yesterday was about partisan gridlock in congress. of course, it is an election year and the stakes are very high. i would imagine the pressure on both sides is very high. how do you fix realistically that gridlock? >> i think you have to get democrats and republicans who want to work together and understand job number one is job creation, when the economy is where it is today, we have to work together on both sides of

the aisle to get things done and put people back to work. here's an example, mayors across the country, democrat and republican have called on congress to pass the surface transportation bill, that's 2 million jobs we can put people back to work repairing our roads, highways, ports, airports and what's happened? absolutely nothing. when the president says that we can save 325,000 teacher, firefighter and police officer jobs, what's happened with that proposal? mr. romney and the house leadership have said no to that. all we've seen from them is cut cut cut, no investment. i think that's what this election is going to be about, not only about where the unemployment rate is, what we will do about in the future to make america's economy is strong again from the middle class up. >> you mentioned what governor romney said. i want to play a little chunk from friday where he talked

about really the lessons from wisconsin and targeting what president obama had said about the private sector doing fine. let me play a little chunk of that and i'll ask you a question on the other side. >> he wants to hire more government workers, says we need more fireamen, more policemen, more teachers. did he not get the message from wisconsin? the american people did. time to cut back on government and help the american people. >> what do you make of the governor's remarks when he says, it's time to cut back on government and he listed firemen and teachers? >> the jobs the president is talking about is saving jobs, not adding jobs, one. two, there's no question we have to cut programs and cut the deficit. the president proposed a 4 trillion dollar cut over the next ten years. mr. romney talks about cutting the deficit and also proposes a $5 trillion tax cut for primar

primarily targeted to the wealthy that we can't afford. what democrats and republican mayors are saying is we have to do both. we have to cut some spending, no question about it. we have to make investments in infrastructure, transportation, in education. in helping us export when 95% of the new markets are outside the united states of america. we have to do things across the aisle, do things to make investments, but also make the cuts that we need. >> both the president and mitt romney are in the state of ohio campaigning. there is a new poll out bad news for both. washingt "washington post" poll talking about favorable numbers of the economic policy, president obama at 38% and mitt romney at 35%. you look at the margin of error, very close. you look at their unfavorable numbers, president obama 54% among independents and mitt romney at 47%. so terrible numbers for both of them on something that everybody

has said is the most important issue in this election, which is the economy. what should they be doing? what should they be talking about? >> well, i think both candidates have to talk about the economy, not just what's gone wrong but also what we're going to do in the future. i think the president has done that. he said, again and again, that he's willing to cut spending, but we also got to make investments. we can't continue to extend the bush tax cuts and not make investments in education and transportation in the infrastructure. we have to do both. i think the president has tried to extend the hand to the republicans. but the house leadership has refused again and again and again. in the senate, as you recall, senator mcconnell said his number one job is to defeat the president instead of putting the country back to work. >> thanks for being with us. i think you guys have one more

days of meetings today and we will find out how that goes as well. appreciate your time. >> thank you. two more days. >> two more days. >> still ahead on "starting point" this morning. if you are struggling to name your baby, that is such a hard thing to do, you could pay gr p groupon to do it. but it ain't cheap in our "get real." here's margaret's playlist, vampire weekend. i cannot say i've ever heard that before. >> a good sign. >> i like it, i like it. >> are you serious? >> we'll take a short break. "starting point back in a moment. [ male announcer ] this was how my day began.

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that's ryan's playlist. i'm being left behind. >> no, you're not. >> our "starting point" team. the washington correspondent for the new yorker. nice to have you in person. i like to be able to stop you by tapping you on the arm when i need to. margaret hoover as well, author of individualism. getting started this morning. naming your kids can be hard. >> yes. especially the second. >> i did, too. sophia was our first, we thought naomi and that didn't work. and we thought we would name ours alexandra from college and that was a bad idea and then

jackson and sam and then came out, you don't look like sam and named him jackson. now, groupon wants to help parents like us and name your baby. the online retailer is offering a deal, charge you 1,000 dollars to bestow a name, one specific name upon your child specifically selected custom first name upon your infant son or daughter. the fine print says this, it's not just any old name. the name is clembough. >> awesome. >> no substitutions, no modification, they say, they insist this is the real deal. so far, we know six people have bought into it and paid to buy the name clembough. >> does that mean they paid a grand? a thousand? >> they don't give you a thousand, not a bad deal. you have to pay for it. >> you actually pay for the thousand dollars. >> it makes no sense. >> it does make sense. groupon do a lot of facetious

deals. the other day they had an employee who would come to your house and tuck you in for $100. >> that sounded good. and then analyze your linen seams and pillow placement and tuck you in with a strategy and his well groomed fingers -- >> has anyone thought this could be a publicity stunt? >> what? >> you know what it is, maybe. you know what it is, too, i think they're rethinking the coupon business model because the ipo has done so badly and we could have been naming kids all along making money, have a big profit margin and then our appeal would go way up. >> they only had six. >> you named your kids. what would you say was the most unusual name you picked before? maybe jackson, cecilia? >> i love them all dearly. >> ryan, you have two. which would you go out on the limb for? >> i love them both, two normal names. cliff.

>> that's a very texas name. >> clembough. >> margaret, it's on you. >> on me. i might go with -- who knows? i have no children for the record. >> still ahead this morning, doctors still can't cure the common cold but that may not be so bad. research says the cold virus could lead to a new treatment for cancer. details ahead. the u.s. is putting pressure on russia to stop the sale of arms to syria, former u.n. ambassador to new york will join us. talk about that crisis in syria. you're watching starting point. got to take a short break. with the spark cash card from capital one,

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jury acquitted him on one count and deadlocked on five others. the justice department accused edwards of using $1 million in illegal campaign contributions to hide an extra marital affair. jpmorgan manager, says those behind the $2 billion loss might lose their bonuses. the bank's board may decide some employees have to return their bonuses as punishment. not clear if dimon has to return his bonus. during his testimony, dimon apologized publicly for the bank's loss. next, we'll talk to ken feinberg and ask about the bonus callback and whether jpmorgan will actually pay november this money back. he claimed self-defense in a fatal shooting citing texas's stand your ground law. raul rodriquez was convicted and

this morning will be sentenced. could the cure for cancer be the cure for common cold? it could be as simple as injecting the common cold virus into the bloodstream. after delivering injections the cold virus attached to red blood cells triggered an immune response like a vaccine, killing off tumors. the treatment also left healthy cells intact. eight years of college, medical degree and still $12,000 short, researchers at duke and university of michigan found female doctors earn an average of $12,000 less than their male counterparts. the author blames subconscious gender bias that underestimates a woman's capability as well as their reluctance to go after higher salaries. daring thieves tries to rob a truck while it's moving. it happened on a highway in romania. these guys may want to work on

their technique. the attempted score was caught on tape by an organized crime unit monitor iing suspects. they managed to get a look inside the trailer and then decided to abandon this very dangerous mission. not a movie, really happened. >> you have to have that truck full of gold before that would make that worth it. that's insane. >> it wasn't full of gold. oh, these are just tvs. forget it, not worth risking my life today for it. let's turn to talk about syria this morning, new reports of violence. a car bomb exploded near a shiite shrine near damascus and by reports, injured at least one person. this comes as new questions arise about helicopters being shipped to syria from russia. secretary of state, hillary clinton, spoke about that earlier. here's what she said. >> from time-to-time we shouldn't worry, everything

they're shipping is related to their actions internally. that's patently untrue. and we are concerned about the latest information we have that there are attack helicopters on the way from russia to syria. >> a russian official tells cnn his government is not sending new helicopters to syria an hasn't had a new contract in 20 years but that official did say russia refurbishes previously sold helicopters and seems obviously the secretary of state's statements are an effort to put more political pressure on russia. john negroponte is the former u.s. ambassador to iraq, former director of national intelligence. thanks for joining us. does it make a difference whether they're old helicopters being sent back or new helicopters attack helicopters at the end of the day, does that nuance really matter? >> i don't think it matters too

much. the important thing is obviously the syrian government is prepared to use force against its own people. it's been doing that more than a year and number two, they have a friend in russia, which has played the role of stalemating the efforts to try and find a solution to this very serious problem. >> what is the solution? it seems like it has to be a negotiations or some kind of diplomatic thing with assad. you see the opposition isn't strong enough to overthrow the government. the government is not strong enough to put down the opposition. is diplomacy the only way to go? >> i think the time for pure diplomatic action may be running out. that people may have to start considering ratcheting up the use of force. it's already happening on the ground. i don't think we can get the security council to approve it as long as russia and china have the posture they do. the next best thing would be try to find some consensus with the other arab countries, neighbors

of syria, to see what kind of coalition of the willing might be put together to bring even greater pressure to bear on syria government. i don't think diplomacy will do the trick. >> up until now russia's role in this entire process has been described as you just did, stalemating it, making sure nothing happens on the world stage for syria. is it fair to look at russia as not someone stalemating this process, joining this process and picking their side, a side opposed to the rest of the world. >> yeah. i think that's fair. you have to ask yourself why do they do that. >> where does it go? >> part of it is a contrarian spirit. they have a natural instinct to resist it, one thing. the other thing is they deeply want friends in the arab world. syria is one of the few friends they have. >> who is in the coalition of the willing? >> it would have to be certainly the arab group of country, they're critical and turkey.

it's the neighbor next door without which any effort to try to apply coercive pressure wouldn't be possible. you have to do it through turkey. >> what does ratcheting up the use of force mean? >> it's happening already on the ground. sending in more weapons. the united states at the moment doesn't provide lethal assistance to the syrian rebels. others do, not certain i know which ones. >> i talked to people at the white house that say as bad as assad is, hop situation elements could be worse. what do we know about the opposition and how concerned should we be about arming them? >> it's almost inherent in situations like this, you don't know that much, certainly don't know enough. like iraq. after the government repressed the country for 30 or 40 years, you didn't know what would come next once you remove d saddam. that is a little bit the

situation as to syria. >> because the minority is the population, you assume if the kurds get in power they would look after interests of the larger party rather than minor majority. >> if you have this coalitionie opposition, they're in a better position to influence later on. should assad leave, this is a country that will need external assistance. thick this group of countries would want to be in a position to help that and shape the nature of the political evolution. >> faried sakaria told me he thinks syria looks like beirut, 10 years of protected fighting and maybe 250,000 people could die at the end of this, no short term quick solution to this. >> sadly, i think what he says certainly looks true at the moment. there's certainly no immediate end in sight. as long as we have this still a made it situation we talked about earlier, i think it will continue the way it has.

>> john negroponte the former u.s. ambassador to iraq. nice to have you this morning. still ahead on "starting point," legendary fight between two heavyweight es, not talking about boxing. new details of the turf war at the jersey shore between donald trump and don wynn. and we assigned this to the non-mommies this morning. assigned to read this book "50 shades of grey" and see what they think. and usher, just got us all in love. ♪ a party? [ music plays, record skips ] hi, i'm new ensure clear. clear, huh? my nutritional standards are high. i'm not juice or fancy water, i'm different. i've got nine grams of protein. twist my lid. that's three times more than me!

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♪ >> is the a -- i'm a little uncomfortable now. >> how can marvin gaye, "let's get it on" make you uncomfortable. i don't understand. is this because of your homework assignment? >> this is bordering on harassment. >> get a lawyer. >> is it because we assigned to you reading "50 shades of grey." >> i can't be embarrassed. >> it's considered to be mommy porn. >> it is. >> it is mommy porn? >> confirmed. >> you have not read it? >> i bought it. >> you bought it but you haven't read it? >> based on your book report, i may or may not make this my weekend readings. >> many libraries have banned

the book, very controversial. huge sales, especially among women. so. >> after reading the book, i have now come out for banning it as well. not because it's too pornographic, but because it's so bad. >> badly written? badly structured? >> the plot is terrible. i mean, just from a purelys a -- purely aesthetic point of view. >> you're embarrassed. put the camera on ryan. he's turning pink. >> don't include detail unless there's a reason to be in there. it's an awful up close detail of every move this 21-year-old makes. not just talking about the sex scenes but -- >> back to you. >> that aside, the writing is terrible. the plot is non-existent. the characters are one dimensional. >> come on. >> come on! >> nobody is reading it for its

literary value, obviously. >> ryan's book analysis is fairly spot on. leads you to the question i asked early in the week. why is this a run away success. after reading this book and reading about this book, it's not the first porn. there's been other, what do we call it, literary porn? let's call it fabio covered book. why does this success that other fabio covered books haven't reached the same success. it's an ebook. women can read this book safe from embarrassment, without that cover on the airplane. >> a lot of the controversy -- >> and libraryians quit being prudes. >> it's being marketed as a more sophisticated version -- >> it has a tie on the cover. >> it has a tie on the cover. >> i didn't even read this book and feel like you guys are massively underselling it. if there are 10 million copies sold, women around the country

are reading it in a day. >> because it is a massive incredible example of self-made success story of marketing not. >> i will as well put out a request to anyone who has read this book, i have not and margaret has not, i want you to tweet me at soledad underscore o'brien and let me know what you income. the review i've gotten so far, the writing is terrible, plot is non-existent and characters non-defined. one review, thumbs down. >> the serious point -- the narrator is a young woman insecure. frankly, if you have a daughter, is the not someone you want looking up to. >> not a role model. >> not a very heroic person. >> do women down deep really want to be submissive? what this book is about is not about erotism, about honestly we have to say it, about bondage and s & m. >> and why it sold so many copies as an ebook.

>> thank you. sounds like it was a tortuous assignment for you, ryan. >> i was up all night. one of the ugliest fights ever in atlantic history was a fight between donald trump and businessman, steve wynn on the jersey shore. we'll tell you how that turned out.

one of the ugliest fights in atlantic city. and i'm not talking about boxing. i'm talking about a turf war to build a casino on the jersey shore. it was a fight between donald trump and businessman steve wynn. here's what the battle sounded like back in 1999 when both men spoke about each other to cnn. >> i don't know him very well.

i played him at golf twice and beat him badly both times. and i think that probably had a negative impact on him. >> i don't think he likes me. >> do you think it's personal? >> i fear it may be. imagine the awful consequences of donald trump not liking you. >> it's all chronicled in a new book called "the war at the shore." and joining us this morning is author richard skip bronson, who was there every skip of the way as wynn's point man, tasked with building a las vegas style resort on the jersey shore. this thing is a page turner because of the craziness in the fighting between these two guys. talk to me a little bit about the big personalities and what the fight was originally over. >> well, steve and donald are both, you know, rather extraordinary businessmen. the fight was over the fact that steve and i wanted to develop a casino resort in atlantic city, and that was donald's sand box. he had three casinos at the

time. we thought it was a great idea, and obviously he didn't. >> it got crazy at some points, the way they were both trying to undermine each other at every turn. give me some examples of that. >> well, it got personal. >> fast. >> fast. >> we had to build a tunnel out to this remote piece of property that the state had given us to develop a resort. and in order to get that tunnel approved, we had to go through an entire political process. donald and his cohort at the time, arthur goldberg, who was the chairman of bally's, just intelligent out and did everything they could. donald, i have to be nice to him today, because it's his birthday. >> say it wasn't his birthday. what would you say about his fighting technique? >> he fights hard and he fights tough. >> dirty? unfair? >> if you can't stand the sight of your own blood, don't get into a fight with donald trump. that's what i would say. >> is there any insights into trump that would help explain his behavior over the last year

with respect to president obama and the campaign? you know, he sort of defined himself in this political race as a conspiracy theorist who doesn't believe that the president was born in america. is there anything from your experience with him that would shed some light on that side of this guy? >> well, he's passionate, and what's on his mind is on his lips and he doesn't hold back. obviously, he has strong feelings about the president and he is not a shrinking violet, if you haven't noticed. >> is he smart? >> he's very smart. and when it comes to developing real estate, which is really his principle business, not being a television celebrity, he is a very formidable developer. just look at the skyline here in new york. you don't do that by accident. >> steve, how is it that a city in the middle of the desert turned into this shang ri la of casino and resorts, and a city an hour or two from the biggest city in the united states, has not turned into this wonderful gambling resort location? how did atlantic city fail where

las vegas succeeded? >> well, in las vegas, all of the casinos worked together and they had a common goal to bring traffic to the place and a stable political system. in atlantic city, you had a very fractured political system. several mayors went to prison. >> fights like this, what your book is about. >> fights like this. and in order to bring energy to a city, everybody's got to be on the same page. when people are fighting, it's a problem. coupled with the fact that recently they legalized casino gambling in pennsylvania. and roughly 50% of all of the traffic that went to atlantic city came from the philadelphia market. and now you've got casinos in philadelphia. and atlantic city has not yet figured out that it has to capitalize on its natural resources, the ocean, among others, to get people to come there. >> how did the battle end up? who won? who lost? >> the battle ended up where interestingly, we got the approval to build the tunnel, so you can argue that we won. we sold the company -- >> i sense a but coming.

but -- >> but when they built the tunnel, donald managed to get them to put the first exit from the tunnel right to his casino hotel. >> the win with the loss. >> when you talk about him, you still have respect in your voice. >> you're friends today, right? >> right. we're friends. we play golf together. the great thing about steve and donald, when they are in a fight, they are in a fight. but when it's over, it's over. they have the ability to put it behind them and say that's business. let's move on. >> the book is called "the war at the shore." it literally is a page turner with political intrigue and legal intrigue. and kind of a hot mess in the middle of it all. thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we have to take a break. we're back in just a minute. stay with us. ♪

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morning. welcome, everybody. our "starting point" this morning is disturbing. terrible stories of abuse, even threats in the jerry sandusky trial. today, more of his accusers will take the stand. we are live at the courthouse for you. that report is coming up in just a moment. plus, the battle in the buckeye state if you can call it that because both president obama and mitt romney are in ohio today at the same time giving dueling speeches, talking about the economy. new poll numbers, though, show that americans don't trust either of them really. we'll show you those polls. and brand-new this morning, lance armstrong now suspended from competing in the ironman after charges of doping that could strip him of all seven of his tour de france titles. plus, a hip-hop history lesson.

yesterday, it was nas. today, we are talking to ice-t. he'll join us to talk about his brand-new documentary. he is now a director. it's called "the art of rap." i am the rap correspondent for cnn now. it is thursday, june 14. and "starting point" begins right now. ♪ when the roll is called up yonder ♪ >> margaret is bringing it. you know what's so funny? i heard this song, and i was like, this is a great theme song for our show. wouldn't you like that? that would be a great way to start the show every morning. can someone call them? can we use that song for our show? margaret hoover is with us. she worked in the george w. bush white house. the author of "american individualism." ryan lizza, who just gave us a stunning review of "fifty shades of gray" is with us as well. but believe it or not, in his day job he is a correspondent

for "the new yorker." >> i used to be. i don't know. we'll see what happens after that segment. >> and will cain is a columnist for the blaze.com. nice to have all of you with us this morning. our "starting point," have you been following what's happening in court in the jerry sandusky trial? oh, it is just brutal and graphic. and just horrible as you hear about these young men crying on the stand as they recount this testimony. more expected today. it's day four in the jerry sandusky child sexual abuse trial. three of his accusers have yet to take the witness stand. they are expected to testify either today or tomorrow. and then the prosecution will rest its case. that could happen as early as friday. cnn's susan candiotti is live at the courthouse for us in bellefonte, pennsylvania. what do we expect today, susan? >> reporter: good morning, soledad. as you laid out, we expect to hear between today and tomorrow testimony from three more alleged witnesses. one of them at some point will include a case that goes way back to 1998. and this is the first case that

we are aware of. a mother found out that her son had been showering with jerry sandusky, and the boy was acting strangely. she went to authorities. they never pressed charges. but police did eavesdrop on her conversation with sandusky. and he denied that he had done anything sexual, but he did tell her this. quote, i understand i was wrong. i wish i could get forgiveness. i know i won't get it from you. i wish i were dead. and police interviewed sandusky and told him not to take any more showers with boys. he said he wouldn't. but obviously, from all the testimony we've heard, and through his own words, he's still doing it or was still doing it. soledad? >> that is just devastating it goes back so far. susan candiotti will be in the courtroom to update us on what's happening there. christine has a look at the headlines for us. >> good morning. new developments in the doping allegations against legendary cyclist lance armstrong. ironman organizers confirm that

armstrong is now banned from the nice ironman competition. he was supposed to compete there on june 24. armstrong is firing back after the u.s. anti-doping agency formally charged him with doping saying, quote, these charges are baseless, motivated by spite, and advanced through testimony bought and paid for by promises of anonymity and immunity. although u.s. ada alleges a wide-ranging conspiracy extended over more than 16 years, i am the only athlete it has chosen to charge. i have never doped. and unlike many of my accusers, i have competed as think endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one. where does armstrong go from here? in the next half hour, we'll ask maggie gray from "sports illustrated." a florida woman caught on camera being set on fire says all she could think about in that moment was staying alive for her three kids. the father of those children is now charged with attempted

murder. cops say he poured gasoline on the victim, naomi breton, and set her ablaze. breton says she somehow managed to pull off her burning clothes and call 911. >> he set me on fire. ok? he set me on fire. >> female says the male set her on fire. >> hurry. please, please, please. it burns. >> hold on. >> and i go up in flames. and that's when i started screaming. and the only thing i thought to do was take off my clothes. my main thing is i. >> ed to stay around. i need to be alive for my kids. >> breton suffered burns to her arm, stomach, and her face as well. police in los angeles getting ready to listen to hours of old cassette tapes that could provide new information about the manson family's infamous murder spree. on wednesday, a texas judge denied a motion for former follower and convicted murderer charles tex watson to stop police from taking possession of the tapes.

matt cain picture perfect, tossing a rare perfect game last night. only the 22nd time ever in baseball, and the first ever for a member of the giants. here is the final out. >> on the ground. from deep center. got him! and that's a perfect game! cain on the pitcher's mound. >> cain struck out a career-high 14 houston astros in the giants 10-0 victory. if moms and dads got paid for the contributions they made at home, who would be the bigger breadwinner? it's moms, not even close. insure.com came up with the indexes to calculate how home roles correspond to wages. dads got more of the fix it jobs and moms the nurture jobs. after they crunched the numbers, dad's contribution was equal to about $20,248.

moms' contributions worth $60182. the pay gap is upside down. >> i think it's wrong, though. we should dig into this more later. they divide it into women's jobs and men's jobs. and so like traditional and stereotypical. >> i'll tell you what, i'll tweet the whole report and people can decide for themselves. >> ok. because i just think that math is way off. appreciate that, christine. well, there will be some dueling speeches in ohio today. both president obama and mitt romney are campaigning in that key swing state. president obama will deliver a speech on the economy around 1:45 p.m. eastern time in cleveland. and then five minutes later, mitt romney is going to take the stage, literally dueling, in cincinnati. and of course the stakes are high for both candidates. there's a new "washington post"/abc news poll that shows crucial independent swing state voters don't think very highly of either of the candidates' economic plans. only 38% have a favorable view of the president's plans.

35% have a favorable view of mitt romney's plans. and they are both within the margin of error. so literally neck and neck. brings us right to jim talent, a former senator from the state of missouri. now the senior economic adviser to the romney campaign. nice to see you. thanks for being with us. appreciate your time this morning. when you look at that poll, bad news for both candidates. but let's talk about your candidate specifically. why do you think that number is so low? >> well, i've seen a lot of poll numbers indicating the governor is being received very well by independent voters, soledad. he is proposing things that really ought to have bipartisan support and have had in the past like approving the keystone pipeline, stopping the cap and trade regulations. the president wants to pass and the president said will skyrocket the price of electricity. so his message is that the president's policies were well intended but are failing. and he's going to move in a direction of empowering the economy. and i think that's being pretty well received. >> it sounds like maybe it's --

are you saying you think just this particular poll from "the washington post" is wrong because the poll numbers certainly don't say well received. it says more like, meh. >> well, i've seen a lot of different poll numbers saying different things. i tend to discount polls pretty early. and both ones showing that, you know, my guy is doing well as well as those showing that there are some issues. i just think that the independent voters are going to take their time and look at both candidates. it's pretty clear, though, that the president's policies have not succeeded even on his own terms. i mean, he said he'd get the economy moving but within -- by the end of the third year or he ought to have only one term. and we're not moving. so we've got a lot that we're going to be talking about, about the president's policies and also governor romney's proposals. and we're going to do that beginning in a big swing starting tomorrow. big bus tour. >> let me ask you about what mitt romney said last week about the hiring of teachers and firefighters and police officers and the context as i know you

know was sort of lessons from that wisconsin recall vote and scott walker obviously won. the governor said that there was a message in this for president obama. and here's what he said. let's play that. >> and his answer for economic vitality, by the way, was of course pushing aside the private sector, which he said is doing fine. instead, he wants to add more to government. he wants another stimulus. he wants to hire more government workers. he says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. did he not get the message in wisconsin? the american people did. >> so my question for you is this. was the governor there saying that we don't need more teachers and more firefighters and more police officers? because that's what it sounded lu like to me. >> i think what he's saying is that we certainly need teachers, policemen, and firefighters to teach our kids, you know, keep our homes safe and fight fires. but as a policy, to go out and hire people for the public sector as an economic policy doesn't work. he said that's not the way to

get the private sector going. that's what we did with the stimulus, and it failed. and, you know, the president's comment about the private sector doing fine, soledad, shows something interesting. because the president was concerned about the public sector. and the public sector has been laying people off. and that's unfortunate. but the reason they have been laying people off is the private sector is doing badly so they don't have any revenue. you can't really divide the two. >> there are some people that thought the president was out of touch with that then he walked back that comment, and reversed himself. the president said, though, that mitt romney was out of touch and he was asked -- mitt romney was asked about that comment when he talked about the firefighters and police officers and teachers. and here's what mitt romney said on tuesday. let's play that. oh, you know, it looks like i'm having some technical difficulty so i'm just going to read it to you if it's ok. >> sure. >> he says that's a very strange

accusation that he's out of touch. of course, teachers and firemen and policemen are hired at the local level and also by states. the federal government doesn't pay for teacher, firefighters, or policemen so obviously that's completely absurd. and he goes on to talk about the president has an idea, though, to have another stimulus. is mitt romney wrong about that? aren't firefighters and police officers and teachers hired or kept from being fired by some federal dollars? >> no. it hasn't been the practice of the federal government to pay local salaries and really shouldn't be because the problem is of course it's so unstable. the federal program runs out, and then the job runs out. so i think governor romney certainly has been right as a traditional matter of policy. and i think again the overall point is that you don't get the private sector going by pumping public sector dollars into just hiring people or any kind of a stimulus program. we did that, and it didn't work. i mean, the president said it would reduce unemployment 6% by

now, and of course it's over 8%. >> but you do use federal dollars for teachers. >> not traditionally. >> but the department of justice -- correct me if i'm wrong -- spends $247 million on a program called cops for hiring or retiring of fulltime officers. title one goes to support additional academic support for students in poverty. the u.s. department of homeland security and fema spent for financial year 2011 $380 million on 400 awards that will go to rehire firefighters that have been laid off. i don't understand. doesn't that completely contradict what you're saying? >> there have been some programs generally temporary in nature. president clinton had his 100,000 teacher program. we ended up hiring, i think, 10,000 or 15,000 teachers for a few years. it's traditionally not federal

policy to sfufund state and loc salaries. it's not often done. and the reason is clear, because the federal government can't continue in perpetuity these programs. generally when the federal government supports locality, soledad, they'll build buildings, support purchase of equipment for policemen or for schools. and that's traditionally how it's done. >> true. that's true. but if you look at -- there are many, not just a few, but many programs that actually support the hiring or rehiring of teachers or firefighters or police officers. so it sounds to me what the governor is saying is not actually true, that the federal government in fact does fund that, that he's wrong. he's not wrong? >> well, again, i think we have to agree to disagree. i think what he is saying is certainly true as a general matter. and he was making a basic point that, look, you don't get the private sector going by hiring people onto a public payroll on any level. the opposite is what happens. when we get the private sector going through job creation and growth, then the governments at

all level have revenues to do the things that they need to do. and that's why it's so important to get this economy moving, to get jobs created. we can't keep going on with this anemic recovery. the economy is growing about 1.9%. it should be double that at this stage in the recovery. we should be creating millions of jobs, and we're not. and we have to because people are struggling. >> well, both mitt romney and the president will be trying to get out their economic messages. and according to those poll numbers, they probably need to do a better job of it on both fronts. jim talent, economic senior adviser for the romney campaign. we appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you. still ahead on "starting point" this morning, jp morgan's $2 billion mistake. the ceo doesn't quite know how it was lost. but was there a crime? we'll take a look at that. and we'll talk to the former pay czar ken feinberg about the bonus clawback they were discussing yesterday and whether jp morgan can take back any of this money. you're watching "starting

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well, the managers at jp morgan who were responsible for losing at least $2 billion of the bank's money might soon be feeling a little financial pain themselves. the bang's ceo, jamie dimon, telling senators yesterday, that's when the bank's board finishes its review, that some employees might have to give back some of their bonuses. it would be a first time for the firm, and it remains unclear whether dimon, who is getting paid $23 million in compensation package for his performance, would be among those who would be subjected to the claw back. here is a little bit of his testimony yesterday. also a bit from an interview he did on cnbc. listen. >> we made a mistake. i'm absolutely responsible. the buck stops with me. >> will you give back pay? you said the buck stops with you. you acknowledge complacency. will you be giving back any of your compensation? >> you know, my comp is completely set by the board of directors. you know, 100% set. i assume that they'll incorporate this in how they

evaluate me. >> ken feinberg is the former administrator for tarp compensation. they called him the pay czar. he was responsible for managing compensation issues for companies that were receiving federal bailout money. it's nice to have you with us. let's talk about that claw back. you just heard jamie dimon saying that the board will figure out what he's really worth ultimately. do you think that he could be subjected out of his $23 million compensation package for the year to a claw back? could you even do that? >> well, i suppose you could be. the question is will it happen. he suggested yesterday in his testimony that it is likely, is the word he used, that there would be some exercise of claw back authority as to other officials at the bank. this is very, very difficult to do. we shall see. he didn't guarantee it. he didn't say it will happen. he said it was likely. you've got to look at the contracts. you have to look at whether or not these individuals have spent the money. are willing voluntarily to give it back. >> many of them have been fired.

it's going to make it less likely to turn back the money if you lost your job, i would imagine. >> those are all issues. if you're still an employee and your perspective pay might also be influenced by these decisions, it's easier. but we learned over the past few years at treasury that talking about claw back is one thing. getting individual corporate officials to actually give it back is something quite different. >> i mean, legally, if i leave a company, there's nothing in my contract that, hey, you have to give back some of your pay if you do something that i then disagree with. how can they legally do that? how can they demand this money from somebody they have let go? >> you have to read the contractual language. the language may say in that employment contract that even upon your departure, if you have engaged in excessive risk taking and have caused losses at the institution, we have a legal right under the contract. it's the language of the contract that's --

>> how common is that? >> very uncommon. you hear a lot about it. you heard it at treasury in congress when i was at the treasury. you hear quite a bit about claw back authority, claw back authority. the actual number of times where money has been given back, aig did it with the ceo. he managed to claw back some money. but it's very, very rare, and we'll see what dimon does. >> so we're on the same page here, we are talking about a matter that is of interest to the shareholders and board members of jp morgan. whether they want to claw back shallaries and bonuses has to do with their decision, right? >> which is what jamie was talking about. >> it has nothing to do with the united states government. >> no. i assume it's what he said in his testimony, was that if the board decides that something was wrong, they have the right possibly to take back money. >> internal. >> right. it has nothing to do with the government. but i have a question for you about high salaries correlated to high risk. you say when you see someone's

salary $100 million, for example, as you have seen that in the past, that signals to you high risk. why do you say that? >> anybody who is making $100 million, we found this at treasury, anybody making that type of money is engaged in a very, very risky undertaking, if we're not talking about a manufacturer or somebody who's invented some new widget. we are talking about hedge fund managers or financial product officials. we concluded at that type of level of income you must be engaged in some very high risk undertakings. >> can't it just be you're being incredibly successful? they are paid at the end of the year. they look back at the success they have had and the deals they have done over the year and say, wow, you brought in x number of dollars. you obviously are making multiples of that for the firm. ergo, your salary is $100 million. >> we heard that all the time. this year's success is next

year's $100 million loss. nobody begrudges someone to go out and make $100 million. we took a look at the job description. what an individual undertakes 9:00 to 5:00 in order to make $100 million. and we concluded based on the facts that we reviewed were these major financial wall street institutions. there were a few -- there weren't that many at that level. but we concluded that it was just too risky in terms of the taxpayer back stopping those funds. >> what did you make of congress members fawning over dimon? >> oh, my gosh. >> how did you -- >> softballs. for that entire -- >> what did you make of that? >> i mean, there was a hearing. and it was public. and very transparent. and you saw what the senators asked. i saw mr. -- senator menendez and a few others ask some tough questions. but it is what it is. i look at it just like you guys look at it. >> in his testimony, jamie dimon

seemed to change his tone and his tune a little bit on regulation. that he was a little bit less stringent, that there should be no regulations on his firm to forbid the kind of losses that had happened in the past. in terms of the volcker rule verses glass-steagall, what did you think? >> first of all, mr. dimon is on the hot seat. on the front page of every newspaper. i'd change my tune too if a senate committee is asking you questions about a $2 billion or $3 billion loss. it's not surprising. >> do you think reimplements glass-steagall would be a good solution. >> not on my watch. and i will say this. i don't know enough about the vagaries of the individual proposal. mr. dimon talked about, well, it depends on what the language says, what the terms and conditions of repealing glass-steagall, or the volcker rule. you'd have to take a real look at it and see exactly how much teeth. i know congressman frank and senator dodd did their best to provide vigorous enforcement.

and we'll have to see. >> the absence of -- go ahead. >> is the take away that regulation doesn't work because regulators were inside jp morgan. most people look at someone like jamie dimon and say, he earns his $23 million. the man is brilliant. he is successful. probably the top of the top in terms of investment bankers. or does the answer, you need more regulation because clearly he wasn't even aware of what was happening inside his firm. he admitted that in his testimony. the regulators and the traders themselves also. does that mean no regulation or more regulation? >> one thing we learned at treasury. it's not more or less regulation. it's better regulation. it's better regulation. more transparency. more openness. more checks. more balances. i think this debate over more or less is sort of quantitifiable. what's really important is the quality of the regulation. and as mr. dimon has said himself, who are the people that

are subject to these regulations? how good are they, and how aware are they, of the importance of regulation? >> ken feinberg, nice to have you with us. we'll see if there's any claw backs. it will be fascinating to have you come back and talk about it. but i'm not going to put money on it. still ahead this morning on "starting point," some new rare pictures of jfk on the campaign trail capturing some of the star quality and the charm that would help him win the presidency. plus, new accusations that lance armstrong was blood doping could strip him of all seven of his tour de france titles. and if you need a slice in a hurry, we'll show you the pizza vending machine. i can't decide if i love this idea or if it's gross. [ female announcer ] fresh flavor gets a bold new twist

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and welcome back, everybody. you're watching "starting point." we start with christine romans. we have a look at the day's headlines. >> this just in to cnn. weekly jobless claims figures. 386,000 jobless claims remember filed for the first time last week, more than expected. shows some softening in the labor market. and that's up from the week before. a revised figure of 380,000. stock futures are down just a little this morning. a texas man facing life in prison after a jury convicted him of murder for gunning down his unarmed neighbor in a fight over noise. the sentencing phase of raul rodriguez's trial begins today. he claims self defense under texas' version of a stand your ground law. the jury didn't buy it. the judge in the trayvon martin shooting ordering the release of new evidence in the case that includes crime scene photos, trayvon martin's autopsy report, and details of george zimmerman's conversations with police on the night he shot the florida teenager.

zimmerman is charged with second degree murder. he claims he shot trayvon martin in self defense. former president george w. bush had a cameo role in season one of the popular and violet hbo show "game of thrones." but he probably didn't know it until now. a sculpted likeness of mr. bush's head appears in several beheading scenes and on a spike in one episode. the men behind the show said they weren't making a political statement. hbo is apologizing for the use of the former president's likeness. and says those scenes will be deleted from the future dvds. a year in the life of jfk in pictures just revealed photos from "life" magazine document john f. kennedy's bitter, exhausting presidential campaign against richard nixon back in 1960. one picture shows him peering through an airplane window. another shows him jumping from the back of an open top car. but the most tender photo of this batch shows jfk laughing with his daughter caroline. all right. if you need fresh pizza in a

hurry, look no further than the pizza vending machine. the people behind let's pizza say their machine delivers a hot pizza in just three minutes. it was developed by an italian entrepreneur and is expected to debut in the u.s. later this year. you can get your pizza made to order with a choice of more than 200 toppings. a 10-inch pizza will sell for about $6. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. so a hot pizza made from scratch. three minutes. 200 options. no, it's not possible. >> miracle technology. remember those old automatic vending places like the 1930s? >> we have one here in the building. yes, we have those from the 1930s. >> this is over the top, obviously. >> well, maybe it's very healthy. i just can't believe they can do that from scratch in three minutes. we have to investigate that. i love that. >> what technology. like the jetsons. breaking news this morning. lance armstrong is now being banned officially from the nice ironman competition. after facing new allegations and

accusations of doping. he was supposed to compete there on june 24. the u.s. anti-doping agency is accusing the cyclist and five former members of his sports staff of taking part in a giant doping conspiracy between the years 1998 and 2011. his record seven tour de france titles are now in danger of being stripped. armstrong is strongly denying the charges saying this. i have never doped, and unlike many of my accusers, i have competed as an endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests, and never failed one. maggie gray is an anchor for "sports illustrated".com and joining us this morning to talk about this. what's new in these allegations? there have been others in the past. >> lance armstrong has been fighting this for basically his entire career. what's new is who is bringing the allegations against him. a federal prosecutor wrapped up their investigation in february so now it's this quasi-government organization.

before it's been former cyclists accuse lance armstrong. but this time it's an investigation by the agency that ismy responsible for investigag drug use in u.s. olympic sports. >> they have had their own controversy, usada itself. but let's talk about the evidence. accusers have specifically spoken out against lance armstrong. here is a little bit of what they've said. let me play that first. >> did you see lance armstrong using other performance enhancing drugs? >> at times, yeah, at different training camps. >> tell me what you saw in terms of what lance armstrong took in performance enhancing drugs. >> he took what we all took. really no difference between lance armstrong and i'd say the majority of the pal ton. >> so that was floyd landis and also tyler hamilton talking there in various interviews.

how credible and how devastating would their comments be against lance armstrong? >> well, i think it's them, but with those interviews those were two racers who were accused of doping themselves. so while they are apologizing for doping themselves, they are pointing at lance armstrong. and i think some people in sports, fans of lance, thought it was trying to push the blame off of them and onto lance. this is different because this is his entourage. these are the people who are closest with lance. and these are people who are not household names like floyd landis, who won the tour de france or tyler hamilton. these people, i don't know if they can write a book. i don't know if they can have that same motivation to not tell the truth or to lie in any case. >> can we talk about boxing for a moment? >> absolutely. >> i am going to get through all of my sports questions. manny pacquiao and timothy bradley. they want to now rescore that fight. what exactly happened? people are just up in arms, and somehow bradley -- everyone thinks that pacquiao won but

bradley won in terms of the scoring. >> sure. bradley won a split decision. but anyone who watched that fight, boxing experts, everyone ringside, and even the statistics that they keep in boxing, showed pacquiao winning that fight by a very large margin. so people are crying out. >> fraud? >> well, fraud -- boxing and conspiracy and fights and fixes this is something we have been talking about since the '20s. this is nothing new. but the outrage is actually coming from the top rank, who represents both of the fighters who fought last saturday night. he wants an investigation. i think what they're trying to do is either try to get the judges who are on the panel and had such a big decision for bradley to either get them suspended or just to show some clarity, have them explain why did they score the fight so heavily for bradley when everyone saw something different. >> does that mean a rematch? >> they'll have a rematch. right now, they are scheduled to have one november 11. they already have the date. i think that's tentative. that they would have a rematch

and possibly a trilogy is pacquiao ends upbeating bradley the second time. >> does bradley have to give back the title? >> no, no, no. they can't do that. what would they do, go to his house and get his belt? >> i don't know. maybe. >> but so much money has been -- >> a claw back. >> so much money passed hands in vegas, people figbetting on the fight, there's no way they can change the outcome. >> how is there so much money continuing to trade hands in a sport that no one suspects is legit? >> i think there's a lot of bets out there to make. >> it's legit. it's not rife with corruption. >> kind of rife. >> every once in a while there's a little scandal. >> we do see this sometimes. it's unfortunately something that plagues the sport every once in a while and gets a lot of publicity like this. but overall, boxing is a great sport. >> quick question before i let you go. thumbs up or thumbs down on tebow? i love him. i'll stack the deck against your

answer. >> thumbs up as a sports reporter. yes, in new york, let's take him. >> i knew i liked maggie. >> as far as throwing passes -- >> i didn't ask that. >> ok. we'll take it. >> thanks, becky. appreciate it. still ahead, ice-t will join us. he has a new documentary. he'll tell us why he thinks hip-hop is why president obama got elected. here is his play list. i like this. he's got a good play list, i bet. you're watching "starting point." >> announcer: with nothing but his computer, an identity thief is able to use your information to open a bank account in order to make your money his money. [whoosh, clang] you need lifelock, the only identity theft protection company that now monitors bank accounts for takeover fraud. lifelock: relentlessly protecting your identity. call 1-800-lifelock or go to lifelock.com today. [ male announcer ] count the number of buttons

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actor and rapper ice-t. you might known him as a detective on "law and order" or a rapper with songs like "colors" or og. now he is a director and making his directorial debut with a new documentary called "something for nothing: the art of rap". listen. >> i didn't invent anything. hip-hop reinvented everything. lyrics is what rap is all about. rhymes that paint pictures for people. >> this is my purpose. this is my perspective. >> say something with some dignity behind that rhyme. >> you can consider dr. seuss a

rapper. >> they think you are just talking over a record. >> it's swag and personality. >> what's your style? >> my style, i would say, is tae kwon do. >> the documentary features interviews with dozens of musicians. you saw a bunch of them there. kanye west, dr. dre, eminem, nas. nice to have you with us this morning. >> this is cool. thank you. >> we appreciate it. tell me the story first of how you got the nickname ice-t. it's a great story. >> i used to read books by a writer named iceberg slim. and i used to quote him in high school. my real name is tracy. i wouldn't let anybody call me that because it's a girl's name. like a boy named sue. so when i started to quote this die's lyrics, people say, say some more of that ice stuff, t. so ice-t is short for iceberg and t. it's not the drink. >> the film that you're making in your directorial debut is called "something from nothing:

the art of rap." why did you want to make a film? >> well, i always wanted to direct. i'm watching television and looking at rapping weathermen and all kinds of people. it's a culture that's basically gone global. everybody is part of hip-hop now. but i'm like people don't really know where it comes from. so i said this is my chance. i had the means to make a film. i called up all my friends and said i want to did a film. i'm going to ask you questions about you not about the money, the cars, the jewelry, but about the craft. and they said no one asks us that. we made the movie. all we wanted to do was get to sundance. we were a big thing at sundance. we were picked up. and now we're going to be in the theaters tomorrow. friday. and i'm overwhelmed. >> what do people not know about rap? >> well, i think because some of them have seen, you know, us do it off the top of our head, they think it's easy to do and they don't understand the work that goes into some of the great records that they grew up with. and also we are kind of caught in that press thing where, you know, everybody likes the

rock-n-roll side of it, the parties, who you're with, all of that kind of stuff. no one really gets into the work. so once you see this film, it will give you the history of where it came from. and how serious it is to the artists that are involved in it. >> you say that rap saved your life. >> yeah. >> can you tell a personal side of this? >> well, you know, i was basically an l.a. guy, involved with the gangs and all of those types of things. and the music detoured me. once i found this music, it gave me something else to do. next thing you know, i'm in the movie "breaking." and before you know it, i'm doing "new jack city." it just deterred me from all of those other things. a lot of times people get in trouble because of a lack of hope. rap gave me hope. now i'm on "law and order" playing a cop for 14 years. if you had caught me back then, you would have said disregard this guy. he's nothing. he'll never be anything. >> do you think people don't get it enough? >> i don't think jazz was

appreciated it. i don't think rock-n-roll is appreciated. it's still in its infancy. it's only 30 years old. but hopefully this film will make people really respect the art and realize that it's something that is an american art form. we should respect it. >> is it being watered down now that it's so commercial? >> absolutely. >> is that bad or is that fine? >> well, all music is -- >> or is it just it is what it is? >> all music right now is watered down and diluted. if you listen to pop music as a whole, basically everybody is saying we're having a good time. but you have the subprime. you have a war. you have a black president. you have unemployment. music doesn't reflect that at all. any music. >> why is that? through all of the war and some of the crises in this country that a lot of american music isn't political anymore? >> what happened with the internet is now the music -- there's so much music, it's hard to pick. so now you have to pick what's on the radio. radio never wanted you to sing about anything. they don't want you to talk about issues. so the radio dilutes it. and puts it into this sedating

form that just makes everybody have fun, life is great. you know, let's party, like that. so it's just a paradox, you know. it's a lot of music on the net but people don't go to the net anymore. so i mean, they don't go to record stores. i did an interview with a girl the other day and i told her i made money when people went to the record store. and she said, what's a record store? >> oh, no. the documentary, "something from nothing." thank you for coming in. >> appreciate it. [ male announcer ] this is the at&t network. a living, breathing intelligence helping business, do more business.

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