head of george w. bush lying around and put it on a spike. as we say on the show, it doesn't add up. you probably did it because you thought you could get away with it because of how unpopular he had been at that time. i also suspect if it had been president obama's head on a stick, you probably wouldn't have done agree with or like the person. that goes for the left and the right. here's piers morgan tonight. tonight shocking stories from victim after victim all saying jerry sandusky sexually abused them. the latest on the case. also a whon said listening to the testimony brings back memories of his own childhood abuse. dueling candidates in the showdown on the economy. >> if you want to give the policies of the last decade another try -- >> on the other side of the

state giving a speech on the economy. >> the questions for the romney and obama campaign and a good man. part of the kennedy dynasty. >> my kids, my mom and him were the lucky seven. >> now he remembers a man who fought for chief and justice and his life growing up in a legendary family. plus in america, a slice of heaven or hell? the pizza vending machine. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. our big story tonight, stunning revelations oust the trial of jerry sandusky the former penn state coordinator is accused of sexually abusing ten boys over 15 years. one of those boys told his harrowing story which triggered a police investigation. he testified he told his mother about an incident when he was 11 years old. his mother called police. the attorney for the now young man who is now victim number six

is with us. it was very difficult to listen to his testimony and so much of it has been difficult this week. i suppose what was striking about it was despite the abuse your client suffered he said he stayed in touch with sandusky over the years sending holiday greetings saying you're great and so on. why would he have done that? how do you explain that with a jury sitting there maybe quiz quizical about why your client would do that? >> let me say this. the jurors are hearing not only my client but the other young men who were abused as children testify as well. and that story is pretty uniform as between them. there's a reason behind that because these kids now young men to the extent they're able to do it create a bit of a chinese wall in their mind. they bury these events that were so painful to them deep in their sub conscious and they try and

move on beyond that, so there's a chinese wall that's created. in reality, when you're dealing with someone who is as sandusky is being portrayed to be a serial child abuser, you're talking about somebody who is successful at it because they are successful at manipulating people. they're not only successful manipulating the children. they were successful manipulating the parents who allowed continuing contact to take place. >> and there is a growing pattern that's been emerging day by day very similar stories, very similar grooming process. classic many would say pedophile behavior. i thought that probably the most significant moment today came when the police investigated, testified that he heard sandusky tell your client's mother, let me quote this directly, i wish i could ask forgiveness. i know i can't get it from you. i wish i were dead. he said he felt charges should have been filed against him at the time. why were no charges filed after such an astonishing statement to

a mother of a victim? why do you think nothing happened? >> well, it's the $64,000 question. and when one looks at the circumstances that were known to the police, and the police themselves who did the on-the-ground investigations concluded charges should have been filed and they weren't, the question certainly is why weren't they? were they not pursued because of who the perpetrator was, because it was jerry sandusky? were they not pursued because penn state had some influence in connection with that? i don't know that we're ever going to know the answer to that because the prosecutor who made the official decision apparently no longer is on this earth for us to question about that. so, frankly, even though that was the official decision made, i'm far from convinced that's what he really believed was the right thing in his heart. and, you know, you get some sense about legitimacy of decisions when you look at the

circumstances, so they decided not only not to prosecute, piers, they decided to ignore other information that essentially cried out for further investigation. sandusky specifically admitted when questioned by the officer about his behavior that he had showered with other children before. and now's expressing remorse for having done that, recognizing his wrong, saying i wish i were dead, yet he acknowledges he's done it with other children and they're not conducting a further investigation to find out some of the details about that? that's another compelling question. >> as a father of three boys myself when i read some of the transcript of your client's evidence certainly this line really got to me. made me very angry. i didn't want to get him into trouble. i still wanted to hang out with him and go to the games. he told me he had a computer. he'd invite me over. i could sit on his lap and play with the computer. i still wanted to do that. this is just sickening grooming at its most cynical and precise

isn't it? this is somebody who knows ex t exactly what he is doing grooming these young boys for sexual abuse. >> well, what's also clear is that this young man not only talked to police right after this incident but spoke to a psychologist and he told the psychologist basically the same thing that he told the jury here today, basically the same thing he said before the grand jury about what transpired in the shower and the activity that happened and the drive over. and it's just amazing that an opportunity was lost here. this psychologist, who interviewed this young man, reached the conclusion back at that time and generated a report to this effect that in her opinion based upon the information she had, jerry sandusky exhibited the conduct that is consistent with what you would expect of a pedophile. >> i have to obviously say -- >> again, compelling evidence and no investigation. >> i have to say jerry sandusky remains innocent until proven

guilty obviously. but the evidence is certainly mounting up in a grotesque manner. for now, thank you very much for joining me. >> you're very welcome. now with my big stories, let me start with you, joan taylor. i can see you reacting to what you were hearing there. what is your assessment of what has been going on this week? >> i'm so thankful these survivors came forward. maybe we can put an end to the notion that, a, boys don't get sexually abused or the fact that we can't get enough evidence to get what i think is frankly a monster who has groomed, used his power of authority to take advantage of these victims and survivors and their families. i think we're hearing the stories we need to. they're horrible. maybe we will listen to our children, notice what is going on with them, and bring people like this to justice. >> one of the bizarre aspects of this is that the state that is putting this on is the only

state in america that doesn't allow expert testimony which i just find absolutely baffling. why would they not allow it and what difference does that make to a jury's ability to comprehend perhaps some of what is going on, what they're hearing? >> this is going to sound strange but i think the best gift the prosecution has is that they can't put on expert testimony. juries are very skeptical of expert testimony in cases like this. they think of concepts like grooming and looking at consistent patterns, and trying to figure out whether a person is guilty because he fits a diagnostic category. they're very suspicious of that and the prosecution doesn't need that in this case. the prosecution has a triangular case. the witnesses seem to have all done well under cross examination. they have people who are corroborating that. they have a kind of admission almost by the defendant, i wish

i were dead. they don't need an expert to come in kind of insult them and tell them, oh, by the way if you don't understand this, let me explain to you this is the way pedophiles operate. they're much better off in a case like this making it factual and specific and not rel lying on expert testimony, which is often looked at suspiciously. >> i think if you're in that jury you're hearing day by day ever worsening accounts. today victim number nine gave probably the most serious account of really serious sexual attacks that he was receiving from sandusky. >> right. >> this goes way beyond showering with boys. >> no question about that. i'm frankly very glad i'm not the defense attorney in this case. the defense attorneys are going to be spending a very difficult weekend trying to decide which is the most difficult decision a defense attorney ever faces, do you put on a defense? do you put the defendant on?

i think the only conceivable defense that could work in a case like this would be not to put the defendant on but to try to get external evidence showing that these young men, these alleged victims, actually got together, talked, compared notes, either themselves or through lawyers, and that what appears to be a pattern, the blowing on the stomach, the showers, all results from a conspiracy among these people or their lawyers to make a strong case. now, i don't for a moment believe that, but that would be the only kind of defense that could work. putting this defendant on the witness stand after the letters he has written, after what he said to bob costas, after what he said to this woman, i just don't think there is any percentage in doing that. >> no. i totally agree with you. let's talk about these boys. they are now all adult men obviously. you've experienced a lot of this over the years. what kind of trauma will they still be suffering? how traumatic is it to come to a

courtroom and relive the abuse that maybe in some cases they've hidden from family and friends? >> unfortunately, when you have been abused the way they were, not just physically but also emotionally, an abuse of trust, every trauma can be a layer. on the one hand telling the story can help because they're getting it out and hopefully they can see the defendant brought to justice but also it is another trauma listening. there are victims of sexual abuse who are listening to this trial right now who are reliving and also experiencing trauma. trauma can be real and sustained. >> i can rarely remember this volume of witnesses, victims giving such coherent, compelling emotional and apparently credible testimony. >> well, let me tell you that there have been such cases and they turned out very bad. the case in california, the mcmartin case where the kids gave consistent testimony and it turned out it was all fake. it was all made up. and it was all the fault of experts who came in and kind of fed them the information. there have been another one, the case in massachusetts, there have been case after case where

young people have been brain washed into giving totally false testimony about what appeared to be horrendous, monstrous events. >> let me bring in -- >> with all due respect there are a number of victims who never come forward at all. we have to be really careful saying just because we come forward and maybe there are cases where it has been fabricated individuals, adults and kids, still do not speak enough about abuse and bring their abusers to trial. >> and also, if i can just say, finally, the crucial thing here, surely, i think, is that we have adult witnesses, too, who saw what was going on to a certain degree. >> absolutely. >> i think that gives it the real edge of credibility that if you were prosecuting this you'd be after. >> absolutely. you have objective witnesses who have no stake in this who are not advocates for young children. a guy walks into a shower, you know, he loves sandusky and sees

this going on. how do you contradict that kind of testimony? this seems like a slam dunk for the prosecution but you never know. >> thank you both very much. the sandusky case is ripping penn state apart and spelled the end of the career of one of the greatest coaches in college history, joe paterno. tomorrow the man they call coach k, the head coach of the duke men's basketball team. listen to what he says about joe paterno. >> it's a difficult situation to encounter but you had somebody who has given six decades of service to the university and done such an incredible job. somehow you have to let -- something has to play out and respect the fact that you've gone through all of these experiences for six decades. it doesn't just go out the window, you know, right at the end. i thought it was a real mistake by penn state's leadership.

>> quite a revealing interview with coach k not just on that but also his forthcoming olympics where he is hoping to take the american all stars to gold medal victory. hear more of that tomorrow night. coming up, a man who has strong feelings about sandusky's trial, michael reagan a victim of sexual abuse when he was a child at day camp.

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i'm just continuously going through my mind, like, was there something i could have done, like, is there something that i missed? like, i knew the kid was upset

but he's a part of second mile. second mile is troubled kids. so i'm just thinking the kid is troubled and that's why he's here. >> that was lavar arrington who played at penn state with joe paterno. from 1997 to 1999. he saw the boy we know as victim number four at jerry sandusky's second mile charity. michael reagan, a man who knows all too well what it's like to be a victim. he was abused as a child. he's also the son of former president ronald reagan. i'm sure you've been listening to this testimony with a very heavy heart. given what happened to you. what do you think these boys who are now men have been going through to have to relive in public what they went through? >> let me tell you, piers, i don't think there's a child out there who hasn't been sexually abused and isn't right now reliving what these young men are, in fact, testifying too and how they're having to relive it as i talk to you tonight.

i just have a knot in my stomach. because these stories are so familiar to those of us who in fact have lived these stories with these predators that are out there. and you and i have talked about this before, you know, off air. the fact that, you know, for a year of my life when i was 8 years old, i was sexually abused by a day-camp counsellor. ultimately took me up to the mountain, had me take my clothes off, took photographs of me and had me develop the photographs and said, wouldn't your mother like to have a copy? my life ended that day. absolutely ended. i didn't tell my father i loved him till 1991 is the first time i told my father i in fact, loved him. i didn't tell my wife, my mother, my sister, my father, till 1987 when i wrote my first book. you never forget these things. this is something you learn to put in a compartment of your life. but it comes out every once in a while. because it takes everything away from you when an adult does this to you as a child.

>> do you think it's conceivable that dottie, jerry's wife, knew nothing about this? >> no, i think she knew. i think she knew what was going on downstairs but she didn't want to believe what she knew going on downstairs. too many wives are protecting too many husbands in the world that we live in today. and, you know, just to -- this is going to scare the hell out of you, but this is absolutely true. a predator, a sexual abuser of children, will abuse in their lifetimes an average of 117 children. and 60% of those children will go on to abuse themselves. when my abuser died, i got a letter from his sister-in-law. who had been in contact with me over the years. he said, when don died, he was as evil as the day he died as the day he sexually abused you.

the days he sexually abused you. you can finally rest assured those photographs have been destroyed. those photographs were taken, piers, in 1953. i have never forgotten those photographs, ever. they weren't destroyed till seven years ago. i lived with that while my dad ran for president of the united states of america. >> yeah, it's -- it's obvious from the way you're reacting even now, to me, what these boys, who are now men, about -- who are giving evidence about what happened to them, the scars of what went on at the hands of jerry sand uvgy are going to be very deep, very painful, and possibly life scarring. >> they are. thank god for my wife. who taught me truly how to love again. because i didn't know how to love. till she came to my life in 1973. i still didn't even tell her till 1987. i didn't tell my father till the occasion of my daughter ashley's

birthday at the ranch in 1987. >> how did he react? >> my dad, i was literally -- everything out of my body was coming up on his boots. and my dad said -- he actually said, will, where is he, i'll kick his butt. and these people, as they get older, don't get better. people trust them even more. go see grandpa, go see grand dad. and children are put absolutely in harm's way. these people, they're predators after children who are looking for -- to be accepted. remember, i came from a divorced family. my abuser taught me how to throw a football. taught me how to do baseball. taught me how to yo-yo. taught me how to trampoline. taught me how to do those things. he endeared himself to me. from that point, it just went absolutely the nth degree.

that night that he took me to his apartment and moved my hand from pun pan to a second pan to a third pan. and what came up was a naked picture of me. he said, wouldn't your mother like to have a copy? i walked away from god, i walked away from everybody. i was so unsure of my own sexuality. when i was 16 years of age and not sure what people would see me as heterosexual, homosexual, i would steal money from my father's wallet and go to downtown l.a. and buy prostitutes on friday and saturday night because i had to prove to myself i was heterosexual and i was a man. i did not know and i was afraid to ask. >> it takes astonishing courage. to be as open about this as you've been. i know you've spoken about this before, but it's fascinating to me and very moving that you still get so emotional reliving

this. it just shows me what these victims of jerry sandusky have been going through. and how traumatic it must be for them to have to take the stand and give evidence. i really appreciate you being so candid today. you've given a really intriguing insight into the mind-set of a victim in this kind of case. >> may i just say something, if anybody out there is going through or lived through what i went through and these kids lived through and so many do, 1-800-4-a-child. call, get help. >> michael, thank you very much indeed. >> thank you. >> coming up, he was a member of the kennedy clan. and the man who founded the peace core, but his family remembers him as dad. his family pays tribute to sergeant shriver. ♪

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sergeant shriver was the ultimate public servant. a true washington insider who was part of the kennedy clan and true royalty. his son mark is now giving us a very rare and candid look. in his new book, "a good man." welcome. >> thank you for having me.

>> before we get to this, you do a lot work at save the children. we've been hear michael reagan, son of a president, talking in really graphic, harrowing terms about the abuse he suffered. what do you think of the whole sandusky case? >> i know having -- before i went to save the children. i started a program for juvenile delinquent cases. the first rule, if you suspect there's abuse, you have to go to the copcops. -- cops. it's like the cardinal rule. >> turn to your father who was a remarkable man. i didn't know how remarkable. not my royal family. we have a royal family. and you are the nearest thing to it in the mearge, the -- in america, the kennedy clan. i find it really a gripping read. he is in many ways was a national hero in his own lifetime. why did you write the book? >> after he died, i essentially didn't know what to do.

a lot of friends told me he was a good man. i thought that was something nice people said. my brother said you ought to write your feelings down. and that's exactly what i did. i tried to figure out how he could be happily married for 56 years and try to get an understanding of what made him so joyful. it's a son trying to understand how his father ticked. what made him so happy. what gave him so much energy. and i understand or came to the realization he was a good man. it's different than being a great man. there are a grot of good men, but when the lights are turned off, they're not good behind the camera or good to the people at the restaurant, but dad of the consistent on that. >> if you look at his check list, extraordinary. candidate for president and vice president. founding director of the peace corps. so on and so on. i was more struck by a letter he sent you on graduation day. which i'm going to read. says, mark, congratulations. always remember you are a unique

valuable person. your mother and i love you, so do your brothers and sisters and friends pu all our love and interest put together cannot compare with the passionate interest that love and love that god himself showers upon you. you are his, he wants you, and he will make you the perfect man you want to be. your father was a very, very staunch catholic. he went to daily mass right until he died. clearly believed his love of god was the underpinning of his entire life. >> that's exactly right. it was a belief in an inclusive god. it was not a good that put people in boxes or corners. it was god that reached out to jews and protestants and muslims and catholics to do our father's business. that's what he called it. he was interested in trying to eradicate poverty. i stepped back. i had to figure out what made the guy tick. he wrote me letters almost every

day of my life. >> did he really? slipped them under the door. mail them. when i got married, he mailed a couple every day. he was a voracious reader. trying to read those letters. go back and understand what he said. read some of his speeches. understand how he dealt with problems. so many families deal with issues like our family did. we're no different. a little more publicity maybe. but we deal with issues day in, day out. >> oddly, your father seems to have escaped a lot of the fabled kennedy curse in the sense that you look at his life and actually he had a very happy, successful fulfilling life. he put a lot of it down to the love of a great woman. he felt he was lucky to have found your mother. >> he called us the lucky seven. the five kids, my mom and him. we were blessed. no question about it. to figure out how a guy did that and maintained a happy marriage

for 56 years, raised all those kids, did all the international work you talked about, is i think one of the joys. and one of the mysteries i tried toe figure out in the book. there's so much you can learn from your parents even after they're dead. i learned every day from my dad. i read the letterr -- letters that he wrote. i look at them and i read them. they mean something to me at 48. they mean the power of unconditional love that he gave us all. i'm hoping the messages in the book resonate with people that are struggling to balance family and friends and faith and commitment to their work. >> what would he have made of the extreme partisan nature of modern politics? the fact that washington is a complete basket case. they all hate each other. they can't get anything done. what would he have made of that? >> i think, you know, political debates, campaigns, are tough. they ought to have good hard discussions about where the country's going to go. the history of america chose that. george washington through today. i think the difference is everybody who were leaders in

the past, i think really did care about the country and making compromises in order to move the country forward. it wasn't only about how i'm doing today as compared to four years ago. i think that's what made him special. i think that's what made him so successful. >> couldn't agree more. it's father's day on sunday. can't think of a better book for people to read. he was a great hero. it was a compelling read. i wish you all the very best with it. next, the battle for the white house brings obama and romney to ohio. i'll talk to top advisers from both camps coming up. [ slap! slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium rich tums goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums

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president obama is on the other side of the state, and he's going to be delivering a speech on the economy. he's doing that because he hasn't delivered a recovery for the economy. and he's going to be a person of eloquence as he describes his plans for making the economy better. but don't forget, he's been president for 3 1/2 years. and talk is cheap. >> tough talk from mitt romney today. in ohio. both he and president obama in the battleground state today.

it's america's choice 2012. with me now is the senior adviser to romney. tough talk today. both of the challenges in the same state. clearly ohio is going to be a key battleground in this election. what do you think is now the dividing line between governor romney and president obama? >> well, i thought their contrasting speeches today were very revealing. look at the president's speech. imagine if 3 1/2 years after you were hired for a job your employer said he wasn't satisfied with your work and your response was to blame it on the person who held the job before you. not only would you not keep that job, you'd probably be laughed out of the building. and the president's speech today was very long on excuses. but short on action. in fact, he didn't bring forward any new ideas or proposals to deal with the jobs crisis facing this country.

mitt romney on the other hand laid out a very specific series of steps that he would take to get this economy back on track. fromery peeling obama care, to opening up federal lands to energy development, to constructing the keystone pipe lin, to confronting china over its unfair trade practices. these are the types of hard and necessary decisions that have to be made. in order to get this economy moving. >> is it unthinkable that mitt romney if he was president would raise taxes at all? is it completely off the table that he would do that? >> well, i think he's laid out a very specific plan with respect to tax policy. what he wants to do is get rates down for corporations and individuals. and for the middle class, he's proposed a special program where they wouldn't have to pay any taxes at all on their savings. he's doing that because he believes the middle class has been harmed the most.

by the bad obama economy. he's been detailed about his tax plans. it involves pushing for lower rates. and broadening that base. and that's something he would tackle on day one of his presidency. >> one of the big problems at the moment as everyone is in agreement about, oddly, is that no one agrees. and that washington has become paralyzed by this kind of mutual ant ip thi by the two parties. you have people saying, this isn't how it used to be, and it doesn't help the national interest. are you sensitive to that, the drive to push out obama from the republican side that the national interest can get damaged here and there is a need for the business of running america to be allowed to continue? >> well, piers, one of the unfulfilled promises of the obama presidency is his explicit pledge to change washington.

and to reduce the partisanship there. and instead, washington is more polarized than ever. it wasn't too long ago, by the way this president said, give to me the challenge of fixing this economy. i'm not going to be standing on the sidelines harping and griping. and yet there he was today in cleveland. not at the white house meeting with congressional leaders of both parties to fix this economy and find a way out of this mess. instead, he was on the sidelines. that is not the type of leadership that america needs right now. >> one word. feeling increasingly confident in the romney camp? >> well, i think what i would say is we're cognizant of the fact -- well, i don't know if i can say it in one word. i can tell you -- >> you're either feeling more confident or you're not. >> well, look, this election is not a brainteaser of an election. if you believe the economy is

going in the right direction, if you believe there are jobs for everyone, that will improve the re-election prospects of the president. if, however, you believe that we can do better, that we need to take very specific actions to stimulate this economy and get it moving forward, then that improves the prospects of mitt romney's election. so if that's going to be the basis on which this election is decided then yes i'm very confident. >> that is the longest yes i've ever heard. it's been a pleasure talking to you. thanks so much. >> thank you. coming up, can president obama defend his economic record to the american people? i'll ask his deputy campaign manager stephanie cutter. [ male announcer ] this is corporate caterers, miami, florida.

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this is the vision behind the deficit plan i sent to congress back in september. a detailed proposal that would reduce our deficit by $4 trillion, through shared sacrifice and shared responsibility. this is the vision i intend to pursue in my second term as president because i believe -- [ cheers and applause ] >> america's choice 2012 and as

you heard, the president is looking forward to a second term. we heard from the romney campaign. now the other side. stephanie cutter is the deputy campaign manager for obama. stephanie, welcome. >> thank you, thanks for having me. >> it's pretty clear now what the battleground is. you guys are going to say, look, we inherited the mother of all economic disasters and we've done okay but could do better. so we deserve to be re-elected. and mitt romney's going to say, hang on a second, nobody cares about what happened before you guys came into power. it's actually the last 3 1/2 years you should be judged on. on that criteria alone, you failed. >> well, i guess, piers, i would disagree slightly on a couple of things. i think the american people have a good understanding of what the economy was like when we came into office, that we were losing 800,000 jobs a month, and the president took some quick, tough action to stem the crisis, prevent the economy from falling into a depression, and we've been on a road to recovery.

we created 4.3 million private sector jobs. that's seven times more private sector jobs than were created in the last recovery under george bush -- >> you have, you have -- >> but that -- >> let me jump in on that because consumer confidence is down. everyone accepts that. you can see it in the high streets. gdp is slowing. unemployment claims rose. up 6,000 from the week before. so you've definitely hit a bit of a wall at a very difficult time for you with the campaign, haven't you? >> well, piers, what i was going to say, if i were able to finish what i was about to say, is the president has continuously said, well, we've made progress. we're not there yet. there's a lot more we need to do. and we need to keep our foot on the pedal. which is why he put out a jobs act. it's been sitting in congress for almost ten months. as he said today in his speech in ohio, that's a million jobs sitting on the table there. we could have a million more people back to work and a lower unemployment rate and a stronger

economy if republicans in congress just broke their intransigence and came congratulate with everybody else, with the majority of the american people, and agreed to get this stuff done, we have to ask everybody to pay their fair share. we know what works. we also know what doesn't work. that's ultimately about what the speech was about today. >> he said earlier that if any employer was confronted with an employee who said, look, i know i haven't been doing great, but it's all the fault of the guy before me, 3 1/2 years ago, he'd be laughed out of the room. what are the admissions you're prepared to make to the american public as we head towards the election?

>> well, it's not about whether we need to grow our economy, it's about how we grow our economy in the right way. how we grow the economy from the middle out instead of the top down of the we know what not to do which is the prescriptions in congress that aren't putting forward. you know, the fundamental difference is basically republicans and mitt romney think that if we just get rid of all regulations and cut taxes for the very wealthy, then the private sector will take over and we know that doesn't work. >> how unhelpful is it that president clinton has come out and endorsed mitt romney's record at bain, when it was going to be one of your assault records that he had been terrible. >> you're misunderstanding what that bain record is all about. mitt romney has made grand promises that his business would turn the economy around. he's made those promises before. he made those promises when he was running for governor of mauchs which is really the only

applicable part of his resume to being president. it's not about private equity or whether that's good or bad. people can run their businesses how they see fit. it's about whether or not it qualifies you to be the president of the united states. and we disagree. it doesn't qualify you to be the president of the united states because you've taken over companies, loaded them up with debt and bankrupted them. and left middle class workers without jobs, benefits and health care. as the president said in describing and laying out our message on mitt romney's record, if you're the president of the united states, you're the president of everybody. >> it's not me that was questioning president obama's view, it was clinton who you would have expected to be supporting president obama in his number one assault weapon, which you've just articulated so passionately. how did you feel when clinton comes out and says the complete opposite? >> i think if you look at what clinton said, he said there's

two different ways you can conduct business. you can invest in companies and help them grow or go in and take over companies bankrupt them and take your profit out. mitt romney was engaging in the latter part of that exercise, in bankrupting companies. bill clinton also said that ultimately this election is going to come down to two very competing visions and the policies that romney has layed out won't work, and we know that. that's what clinton said. and how did we feel about that? we agreed with him. mitt romney's policies won't work. we've tried them before and they failed. why would we try them again? they lead to the crash of our financial system, deterioration of the middle class and that's what bill clinton was saying and he continues to say that. as president clinton continues to campaign with president obama, as president clinton puts his support behind the re-election of president obama.

>> do you feel more confident now of winning the election than you did a month ago, or less confident? >> neither. we knew that this was going to be a tough election. we knew that we would be in this place. we're exactly where we knew we would be. this is going to be a close election up until election day and we're not taking anything for granted. and i think that as we move through the next five months and as the american people come to understand these two different visions of whether to grow the economy from the middle out or from the top down as mitt romney wants to do or moving forward building on an economy that's meant to last or going back to the policies that crashed our economy and deteriorated the middle class, that this election is going to come down to that fundamental choice. it's not about the candidates, it's about that choice. about which direction the american people want to go in. >> okay. stephanie cutter, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> coming up next, only in america. a sliez of pizza with a push of a button. ♪ [ acoustic guitar: slow ]

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